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Birmingham music

28 August 2013 - Kurhaus Wiesbaden - Rheingau Musik Festival

Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky: Romeo and Juliet
Edward Elgar: Cello Concerto
Antonín Dvořák: Symphony No. 8

Sol Gabetta (pictured)
City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra
Andris Nelsons

Did you know

  • ... that when rehearsing Dvořák's Eighth Symphony, conductor Rafael Kubelík said: "Gentlemen, in Bohemia the trumpets never call to battle – they always call to the dance!"?
  • ... that Ben Gunn, imprisoned 32 years for killing a friend when he was 14, earned a Master of Arts degree in peace and reconciliation?

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(History 2 September 2013)

"Let us not forget that even one book, one pen, one teacher can change the world", Malala Yousafzai at the opening of the Library of Birmingham on 3 September 2013

Archive of 2009 · 2010 · 2011 · 2012 · 2013 · 2014

Contents

Welcome!

Hello, Gerda Arendt, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, like Graham Waterhouse, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for page creation, and may soon be deleted. ... Again, welcome! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Go Gerda Girl[edit]

You do great work and I love it! Don't let Tony get to you. Ihre Arbeit ist grossartig. Weiter schreiben, eien lange Zeit. PS, I really liked the article about the church the communists blew up. BarkingMoon (talk) 11:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC) Sehr geehrte Gerda, I have a watch on your page since a few weeks ago. I approved and moved 167 to holding for June 24.BarkingMoon (talk) 12:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Keine Problem. Koennen Sie ueberpruefen DYK Noel F. Parrish? Danke. BarkingMoon (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Later, yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
See my talk page. Thanks so much! BarkingMoon (talk) 11:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg On 30 December 2011 the article became a GA, thanks to Ched, PumpkinSky and MathewTownsend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

nice edit notice ;)[edit]

A Halloween present from Wikipediocracy on my eighth anniversary. Best wishes. Mads Lange (talk) 09:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

free popcorn

'tis the season

nice comment, peace maker - I pass free treats today, Reformation, even the Bach cantata got a pumpkin + I like sharing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
peace GA ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG I'm not by there very often, but today I saw the recent kerfluffle at AN/I and thought you could use some sweets. Lest you think this is all selfless, though, I brought a second fork. Care to split it? -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, sweet of you, - I would share with Andy first if his doctors allow. Day by day I hope the thread autoarchives (havn't looked today), - I am sure his doctors allow no stress ;) . Did you see the list of 18 discussions "drowning" a project? - Everybody who takes an unbiased look is welcome to share the baklava! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Flowers and sapphires[edit]

Infobox request[edit]

Work your magic, if you have a few minutes: A Song for Simeon.--ColonelHenry (User:Gerda Arendt/ColonelHenry|talk) 23:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. Did you know that Simeon is among my images? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes clarification request archived[edit]

Hi Gerda, the infoboxes clarification request in which you were named as a party has been closed and archived. The Committee clarified that acting on behalf of a restricted user to breach a restriction is WP:PROXYING and so is not permitted. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 00:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── WP:PROXYING, which is a policy says "Wikipedians in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned editor (sometimes called proxy editing or proxying) unless they are able to show that the changes are either verifiable or productive and they have independent reasons for making such edits" (my emphasis). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Jahrhundertring[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 17:17, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Really glad to see this cultural milestone make it into the encyclopedia and onto the front page too. Well done! Whiteghost.ink (talk) 03:19, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, see my memories :) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

nothing secret here[edit]

Hello Gerda, nice to meet you. Are you really the Notorious Infoboxen WikiCriminal that has been terrorizing the music articles?  :-)   As you can see from my first posting on AGK's talkpage, up above the duromac thing, I am *also* a notorious wikiCriminal. Or at least, notoriously silly (AGK blocked me -- then later unblocked me -- when they mistook one of my not-all-that-funny jokes over on the Bishzilla talkpage).

We get literally 1000 new editors every month! Problem is, we lose 1050 editors, every month; that *must* stop. Thanks for listening, and thanks for improving wikipedia. p.s. Upgrades,[5] unofficial tutorial,[6] and the 'official' helpdocs,[7] too. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 13:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for sharing elucidation! The infobox story goes back to 2005, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Infobox[edit]

Thank you for your cogent arguments on infoboxes for all biographies, so the "look and feel" of Wikipedia extends to all people. The arguments against them for certain classes of people is just silly. I love the way you have collected their specious arguments. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:55, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, it's nice to feel understood ;) - did you vote? - here's another collection of arguments, the candidates speaking for themselves, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:02, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Hope is precious and great joy is found in living[edit]

Thank you for the sapphire—cornflower blue is a color of some significance to me. In the maelstrom that Wikipedia can sometimes be, remember these words from Ode to Joy:

   Wem der große Wurf gelungen,
   Eines Freundes Freund zu sein,
   Wer ein holdes Weib errungen,
   Mische seinen Jubel ein!
   Ja, wer auch nur eine Seele
   Sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund!
   Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle
   Weinend sich aus diesem Bund! 

Walk lightly and remain yourself, above the fray. StaniStani  09:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, it helps to open my shop again. - I sang the words last year, here, helping. The blue colour is also of significance to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
shop open --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Yay  :-)     — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 03:16, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Writers Barnstar Hires.png The Writer's Barnstar
Your efforts in creating and translating articles, here and elsewhere, is greatly appreciated. Thank you Gerda. Drmies (talk) 20:47, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Both a flower and a sapphire....
Team Barnstar Hires.png The Teamwork Barnstar
Your efforts in creating and translating articles, here and elsewhere, are greatly appreciated. Hafspajen (talk) 20:52, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, both, you excellent writing team, - guess what, I even started attacked a Magnificat today, or should I say four? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Magnificat, Magnificat, Magnificat, anima mea Dominum, Magnificat Magnificat Magnificat anima mea! Hafspajen (talk) 00:53, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Editors Barnstar Hires.png The Editor's Barnstar
To you, Gerda Arendt, for your unswerving dedication to improving this wonderful free encyclopedia, and for encouraging clear thinking among your fellow editors. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:39, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
"encouraging clear thinking", - I am actually crying now, thank you. - It will go in the selection "blushing", above. I remember winning an argument by "facts and myth", that was two years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Well, you definitely make me think, and your comments restrain my tendencies to rush to judgment. And restraint is something worthy to be cultivated, don't you think? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:12, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
I keep trying to encourage clear thinking (without having been able to word it that well), - Eric is someone who didn't need that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

The 100 DYK Nomination Medal[edit]

Dyk100N.svg The One Hundred DYK Nomination Medal
Gerda, to mark this new milestone. "Light as a flight of tumbling birds was the dipping and soaring of her syllables." Moonraker (talk) 00:06, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Congratulations, Gerda! Chris Troutman (talk) 01:36, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
HOORAY! Way to go! Montanabw(talk) 03:47, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
thank you, in light flight, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Well done!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:04, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations. Oh, my gosh. You were really working. I think I am at my 5th... Hafspajen (talk) 12:25, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I think you read that wrong, it's for nominations for others, something I am really proud of ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
No, I meant what i said Face-smile.svg Hafspajen (talk) 12:49, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
You meant you are at your 5th nomination for someone else? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Cannot find your musician[edit]

FA congratulations[edit]

Structure of compositions[edit]

The one thing I learned on Wikipedia was patience ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:24, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Neue Deutsche Härte[edit]

Is this To romantic?[edit]

Come back to tell you I always keep your image at my art. BracketBot
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Without a hard heart, you can't survive here. Do you know why the men leave and the women, left behind, have to do the work, in the name of a better women/men ratio? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
HM, like women... User:BracketBot informs.BracketBot (talk) 20:28, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
HM? Her majesty? Humble minister? Honest musician? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:19, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
  • User:BracketBot informs you: I like you best. I'll' be back for your Jägermeister soon. .BracketBot (talk) 20:28, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
thank you for that important message (trying to stay serious) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Lovely image. I tried also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


Help[edit]

The 500 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal[edit]

Dyk500CE.svg The 500 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
Gerda, you are one of the very few people who have reached this milestone. Thank you for your tireless contributions to Wikipedia and the DYK project! -Zanhe (talk) 06:39, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Again[edit]

And again. Nikkimaria (talk) 11:46, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

  • This is ridiculous. Gerda, do you feel you are being persecuted by Javert, and for similar motives? Montanabw(talk) 19:48, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
no, I am not impressed, I keep singing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Congrats![edit]

Congrats on your TFA....and the FA as well. Well done! :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 13:45, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, pure pleasure! Looking forward to "your" station! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Template gallery[edit]

Precious[edit]

Aquamarin cut.jpg The Precious Gerda award
Now is that fair that you should be the one who gives away all that gorgious gems and receive none? (Oh, well, you did actually, as I can notice, above. At least one more... ) Hafspajen (talk) 20:48, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Red light!!
Thank you, love it. Today's went to an editor who had been proclaimed awesome three times before, and I received one awesome, three sapphires, a moonstone, an emerald, and now an aquamarine, but it's not fattening, just flattering, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Can you translate a bit of sv:Mansoor Hosseini? Heard the premiere of the top piece, interesting! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Well, I can try, sigh. This is Gerda, you give her or jewelry and she gives you work... Hafspajen (talk) 23:05, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Hm, that WAS interesting. French, apparently. I try. Hafspajen (talk) 23:10, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
  • You give her jewelry and she gives you an idea ;) - here of a bird in red sky (see my user page, pumpkin sky) by an Iranian composer who lives in Sweden, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:32, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Your optimism[edit]

What can I say that you haven't already said?

I know! WP would be a MUCH friendlier place if there were more editors with your view of the world!!

Best wishes (and thanks), Pdfpdf (talk) 14:46, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. See above, I have been called a warrior, almost exactly a year ago, - thank goodness I can laugh about that and sing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank goodness for people with your view of the world!!!! Pdfpdf (talk) 15:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
bzzt, they need to be "admonished for treating Wikipedia as if it were a battleground and advised to better conduct themselves." (link from "here" on top of my user page) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
... (I can only agree. Pdfpdf (talk) 15:15, 24 June 2014 (UTC))

I wish we could clone Gerda! Hey Gerda my new living guitar hero now Paco has passed is this guy.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:47, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Good to see you are happily moving forward! Best wishes, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:31, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Farmer Brown[edit]

The title is more than just my alt name and alter ego. Not sure if you've seen this, but I figured you would enjoy this little essay I wrote some time back. Dennis Brown |  | WER 16:24, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I enjoyed it - again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
ps: look above for grandfather, who would have fit nicely (also mentioned in this thread) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Sounds like an interesting man :) I'm curious if there are other, similar versions of this in other cultures. It seems a pity to only have the one very American version of the parable. Dennis Brown |  | WER 16:40, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
I know one remotely similar, but it could also be US first, about a business consultant and his bet with a shepherd. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
In one of my favourite operas, Gianni Schichi, the hero is the peasant, who is the witty one to fake a will in favour of a noble family, not forgetting to give himself more than all others, - and his daughter is then "fit" to marry one of them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Gianni Schicchi
Comic opera by Giacomo Puccini
Gianni Schicchi will scene.png
Will scene in the premiere at the Met
Description One-act opera, part of Il Trittico
Librettist Giovacchino Forzano
Language Italian
Based on Dante's Divine Comedy
Premiere 14 December 1918 (1918-12-14) – Metropolitan Opera
Dennis, Here's my alternative info, thanks for appreciating redundance, - nice because typically the first argument against this is redundance ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
You're such a smart lady, you humble me regularly with your vast knowledge. I need regular humbling, so you are doing me a favor. ;) Dennis Brown |  | WER 20:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Do you want to make me blush? (Examples pictured further up.) - This is not knowledge, it's interest. - Did you look at our FA? What do you think of the image in the upper right corner? Do you recognize that it is supposed to be a navbox? Do you like to navigate away from an article which you just entered? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
You ask a lot of questions, young lady. I noticed the info box with the drop down menu, I've seen Eric do that before, I like those for many articles, although I prefer traditional infoboxes for science stuff. I did enjoy theatre in my youth (participating and watching), but opera has always escaped me. It's like they're singing a foreign language... Dennis Brown |  | WER 20:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Be careful, very careful, see above for minefield. - This thing is not a collapsed infobox, as Eric sometimes uses, but see also. This is a navbox, tells you nothing about the article, but navigates away from it. The normal position for a navbox is on the bottom, and guess what? There it is. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I noticed it looked different, the headers and such. That is different and pretty useful stuff. But will it be confusing to readers expecting a traditional "see also" section but its missing? Dennis Brown |  | WER 21:33, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
For me, the navbox at the bottom is pretty useful. I am not sure what's useful for you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
No, it is useful, but if users are used to seeing a "see also" and they don't, it might not immediately obvious. Consistency. I'm sure I would get voted down, but I'm one that like redundancy in stuff like that, and would probably like both. I'm funny that way. Dennis Brown |  | WER 21:44, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Start over: Did you see the singer (where Eric helped)? What would you think if you came to a singer article, and instead of telling you when he was born and where he studied, you would get a navigation to other singers who studied with the same teacher, and not a picture of the singer, but of the teacher. ?? (And forgive me: I have no idea how "see also" comes into play.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

  • I think the idea is interesting, again, kind of like a "see also" feature simply because they are tangentially related. I'm not sure about the example you use here (most singers that have articles here didn't study with someone, so consistency is a problem), but I'm intrigued by the idea in general. It isn't very "wikipedia", but it seems to be very "encyclopedia". I do like the idea of a nav box on an opera that links all the other operas from the same composer. That could be true with any musician, for example. Not prepared to have a final opinion, but the idea is very interesting. I can see that in some kinds of articles, it would be a huge improvement, I'm just not smart enough to know what all types of articles off the top of my head. Dennis Brown |  | WER 12:50, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
I think we agree more than it looks. I am all for a navbox of all (or at least the notable) operas/works of a composer, but please where a navbox belongs: at the bottom. Look at Gianni Schicchi: it's at the bottom, {{Giacomo Puccini}} - Many composers have one. - The other navbox on top - which was there before - can't be as well formatted, - horizontal is better for a presentation of groups. I chose the (hypothetical) example to show how little sense it makes to me, to showcase not the topic of the article (opera/singer), but instead something secondary (composer/teacher). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:06, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

José Carlos Cocarelli[edit]

Hi Gerda. I was wondering why such an obviously virtuoso pianist has so little coverage these days, despite being relatively young as pianists go. Perhaps you were too? I found his official YouTube channel. It has no videos on it (although others have uploaded some old ones to their channels). Anyhow, he did have a comments section where someone in France, who had heard him play years ago and greatly admired him, asked when he would be performing again there. Cocarelli replied [12]:

"Je vous remercie pour ce souvenir heureux pour vous et pour moi. Malheureusement les concerts ce n'est plus d'actualité, du moins tant que je traînerai des troubles neurologiques qui me handicapent sévèrement dans ma mobilité et au piano. Je vis en France, en Sarthe, où j'enseigne le piano dans deux petites écoles de musique (dans mon état, impossible d'envisager une place dans un conservatoire). Vous souhaitant Bonne continuation. Merci encore!"
(Thank you for this happy memory, for both you and me. Unfortunately, concerts are no longer possible now that I suffer from neurological disorders that severely handicap my mobility and my ability to play the piano. I live in France, Sarthe, where I teach piano in two small music schools (in my condition, it is impossible to imagine a place in a conservatory). Wishing you good luck. Thank you again!)

How sad! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, sad. Thank you for coming over to tell me! Happy, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

The Random Act of Kindness Barnstar[edit]

Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
You have one of these on this page and probably have many more throughout your archives. That is because you deserve them. You have gone out of your way to make Wikipedia a kinder, more enjoyable place and to recognize other editors' work. You should have a truckload of these. Also, your content and DYK contributions are extraordinary. You deserve much recognition for those as well. Thank you. Donner60 (talk) 21:28, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! - I have two of these on the page, one is collapsed under "Blushing". Barnstars for kindness are most precious for me, on the background of my well-known battleground mentality ;) - I am awfully proud of today's DYK ... that pianist Anna Kravtchenko from Ukraine, winner of the Busoni competition, played Chopin "in a way that thoroughly warmed the heart and thrilled the senses"? - It's not the hook chosen for the Main page, but the one that warmed my heart. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

You are truly an outstanding editor. I appreciate that you have previously taken note of my modest contributions to the project. I plan to continue to make and increase my content contributions, and to spend less time on the more routine edits. Donner60 (talk) 04:46, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Chopin[edit]

Hi Gerda! Thanks for your very helpful comments on the Chopin FA review. If the situation is now OK with you, are you wiling to give a formal support on the review page? Or if there's anything still outstanding, do let me know. I am trying to get it wrapped up now. Best, --Smerus (talk) 19:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing all points I mentioned so far. I didn't read the music section in detail yet, and have little time these days. I may actually get to reading now, because I found out that what I wanted to do next - update the Bach cantatas for next Sunday - I had done already, in preparation to be blocked for a month ;) (arbitration enforcement, did you know?) - Andy was also under pressure, for formatting a malformed infobox, helping a new editor. Do you understand??? One (!) of the arbitrators clearly saw that, - the one resigned. I keep singing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
ps: Did you know that I celebrated another birthday on the Main page, a Wagner DYK again? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Gerda! I don't follow these arb things any more, try to keep my nose clean! Best, --Smerus (talk) 09:30, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Your nose is clean ;) - It's easy to ignore "these arb things" as long as they don't threaten to block your friend for helping a new user, and yourself for cleaning up after a little series of unexplained reverts. - I enjoyed "awakening", imagine you too, and Nikkimaria, - the arbs (whom I expected to be able to read a page history, but perhaps I expected too much) probable saw a battle. - What do they see, at all? The one who really looked now left the team, - what does that tell me? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Sweet Woman.[edit]

Hope you and yours are doing well. Hugs always, — Ched :  ?  15:08, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

With you appearing, I am better, compared to the sadness on top. Believe it or not, there is more peace now in infobox topics ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Version 1 of Mass No. 2 of Anton Bruckner[edit]

Beste Gerda,

FYI, see the comment I have put on Talk:Mass No. 2 (Bruckner).

Unfortunately there is no valuable, commercially available recording of this interesting first version. I enjoy Rademann's live performance, a copy of which I have been granted by Hans Roelofs. I find it regrettable that this excellent performance is not commercially available.

Beste Grüße aus Belgien, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:35, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

You are right. Rademann is one of "my" articles, - you could give him an infobox ;) - How was your vacation? - You have a choice now to restore the second infobox in the quintet and quartet or to write the separate articles for the single movements, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
We had a fine holiday in the French Alps. During the first week of it we ware in the Queyras, where I have taken a lot of photos of plants. I have uploaded the best of them on Commons. Some photos are "first uploads", e.g., for Valeriana saliunca and Brassica repanda.
Next week I will again have a look on Bruckner's quintet and quartet.
Have a fine Sunday! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:26, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, you too! Thanks for the images, especially the firsts! Going to hear at the RMF: Christian Gerhaher and Gerold Huber, songs by Schubert and Rihm on texts by Goethe, - look for the latter name on my user page, was on the Main page yesterday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:53, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Here you have the info on Rademann's live performance:
  • Hans-Christoph Rademann, RIAS-Kammerchor and Bläserensemble der Deutschen Kammerphilharmonie Bremen, 23-06-2013 in the Lorenzkirche, Nürnberg.[13]
--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:13, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, RIAS Kammerchor also one of "my" articles ;) - but we can't list all their performances, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:17, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Look ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
... and I made it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
[14] [15] --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:37, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
today: Rheingauer Marienvesper, with the Johann Rosenmüller Ensemble and Arno Paduch. Let's see if David Erler will sing (as last year), as I think I saw Andreas Pruys singing in the RIAS, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
interesting, music by three composers, eight singers, not Erler but Franz Vitzthum, Georg Poplutz and Markus Flaig, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

You are so sweet![edit]

Gerda! Thank-you again! What a nice surprise to be honoured by you one year later! Here is my thank-you the first time: [16], followed by the day a half-year later when I was thinking about what a good person you are and I just had to let you know: [17]. If I ever go to Germany someday, my first stop will be to tell you in person how sweet you are. You are an awesome Wikipedian! Prhartcom (talk) 06:41, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I found this treasure hidden in my archive but would like to respond here; I am sort of bitter today about this loss (and this), am wide open for sweetness. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I wish I could cheer you up. :-( Please don't be sad, Gerda! Prhartcom (talk) 07:29, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
You cheered me up. You can go and tell users who said This place is beyond fixing and I don't want to be part of this community any more. , that they would be the ones we need. Look why they left, change there, perhaps, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Noye's Fludde[edit]

I'm back on the opera trail, with Noye's Fludde. The peer review is open here, if you'd like to comment. Brianboulton (talk) 15:12, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the invitation, will follow. Did you know that we will have a singer on the Main page tomorrow? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:17, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
My mention of your wonderful JSB articles on the Noye's Fludde PR page was, in my typically duplicitous English way, both wholeheartedly sincere and simultaneously a cunning snare to lure you into the peer review. But I see my crafty schemes were unnecessary and you are on the case already. I wish I could feel comfortable about reviewing your GAN Bach articles, but you understand, I'm sure, that as a Gerda fan I feel not quite as detached as a good GA reviewer should be! With respectful greetings, Tim. Tim riley talk 20:14, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the snare ;) - I will read and comment, but have two other articles waiting first. Did you see that I created one off Noye which was a red link off my very first article? (Almost exactly 5 years ago, as my user's infobox told me, - I would have missed it otherwise.) - If you hesitate about Bach, there's my Strauss dream also, and a hymn which Bach used, but that's a different story. Btw, on various pages I claimed that the infobox war is history (a myth, over), what do you think? Look at Chopin above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ada Cherry Kearton[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:53, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Klesie Kelly[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:21, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Surreal Barnstar Hires.png The Surreal Barnstar
In belated response to your efforts at Franz Kafka, my favourite author, and also for your kindness in telling other editors (i.e. me) that they are valued, I grant you this barnstar! Thanks very much for doing what you do. RGloucester 02:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Weinen, Klagen, Sorgen, Zagen, BWV 12[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Weinen, Klagen, Sorgen, Zagen, BWV 12 you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Dr. Blofeld -- Dr. Blofeld (talk) 17:00, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

The Fifth Element[edit]

Hi Gerda, please don't edit this right now, I'm using Visual Editor, which doesn't have true section editing ... so I'll have to revert your edit and go to some trouble to reinstate mine. Quick question: did you see the template at the top of the page? If not, then it might be a good idea for me to create an edit notice when I use VE, as well as templating the page (until the devs get the section editing fixed). - Dank (push to talk) 19:17, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, saw it without seeing it, if you know what I mean. I reverted myself, hope that helps. - I can't deal with VE ;)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:22, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
I know, not many people are using it yet. I only use it when copyediting, it's a little faster for me. Thanks much. - Dank (push to talk) 19:30, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

August 2014[edit]

Information icon Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. betafive 05:48, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Whom did I attack where, you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:00, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Didn't you imply I have an 'incredibly toxic personality' at User talk:Jimbo Wales? betafive 06:02, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
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hope over experience

No, I simply wanted to ask if a term like that (given in quotation marks, because it is a quote, - I would never ever say such a thing myself) would be "readily identifiable" as "'Offensiveness' of speech". - English is not my first language, I need simple language, - if you can help to word the question better, you are welcome. - Visit my user page: "Every editor is a human being.", - I like that idea enough to quote it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, I apologize for taking offense when none was intended. You'll have to forgive me-- I think "incredibly toxic personality" is an offensive thing to call someone, and as someone who's been described as-such, I'm perhaps oversensitive to it. Cheers! betafive 06:42, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
@Betafive: I think it was Jimbo who used that phrase in his Wikimania speech. He also visited my talk page to tell me that I needed "more honor", which went down like a lead balloon with quite a few people. - Sitush (talk) 16:55, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, here actually. To be fair, he did sort of retract it when he came under some pressure a few days later. He still seemed to think that he was right but he also said that "I want you to continue editing here", as if he has some sort of control over that. "This edit is provided to you courtesy of a decree of Jimmy Wales" or whatever. - Sitush (talk)
Yep, Jimbo himself said it and it was widely believed that he was directing it at a specific individual not named here. Gerda and I are among those who did not approve. Gerda would never call someone that. Montanabw(talk) 19:25, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
You would think he might have learned something last time. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Wow. I didn't know about that one. Yup, he should have learned. Nope, he didn't. (Sheesh) Montanabw(talk) 07:16, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, both! Today I point at the Inkpot Madonna, - a woman for early learning. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Brackets mystery solved[edit]

Hello Gerda! Thank you for your kind comment about Puankhequa at Philg88's talk page. I was just as surprised about your editing the bracket as I was with a Bot message that followed. I counted the brackets time and time again and I just could not figure it out where the "single" bracket was. Totally mystified! Then I realized that the very first bracket was not written in roman letters but in Chinese "letters", and therefore the Bot did not recognize it as a bracket and ignored it. So it depended on what rendering support your computer had. I could clearly see two brackets (and all the Chinese characters) but when I looked at the page on another computer, obviously similar to yours without Chinese characters, one bracket was gone and replaced with a blank square. So, from that point of view, your edit was perfectly fine. I have now replaced both brackets with brackets from the roman (English) alphabet and all is well again. :) So thank you, you acted in good faith, it was just the "machines" misleading us both. Poor Philg88, he must be encountering this problem all the time. All the best, w.carter-Talk 19:34, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I tried to remove an extra space, but may have removed a bracket accidentally, - no harm. Look above, people leaving because "civility" is demanded by incivility, that's a different problem. Nice to meet you, and I still think your article would be good for DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Nice to meet you too. You seem civil enough for me. :) The spaces around the Chinese characters can be tricky = non-existent. I am still something of a newbie here at the English Wikipedia (and I am being gently and expertly coached by Philg88, who has the patience of a saint) so DYK's are a bit outside my learning curve right now. But I like cooperation (I never regard articles as "mine"), so if anyone else is interested in doing one, I am totally ok with it. I have noticed that some users make DYK's of almost anything. I'll get to the DYK's eventually. In a couple of months or so. :) Best, w.carter-Talk 19:56, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Civility: I only quoted someone ;) - I am one of these people who make DYK of everything, - someone introduced me for my first article without asking me. I'll do that to you, and you just watch, learn if you like, ignore if not ;) - I have to know which article are "mine" because I am a sanctioned criminal and may add infoboxes only to "my" articles, those I created (turning red link to blue), not those I get DYK credit for because I expanded. Kafkaesque, well, see my user infobox ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I'm ok with Kafkaesque. :) Please do a DYK of this here new article if you like, Fräulein Kriminelle, I will certainly watch. It is a very good way to learn: Observe and imitate until you achieve enlightenment, or as other have put it: Fake it 'till you make it. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 20:22, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Done, and added to the article talk, for everybody interested. Please add projects there! You can add better hooks to the nomination, preceded by ALT1: etc. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:30, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
ps: found something pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I know. It is the painting mentioned in ref no. 32. But we have not found a copyright free pic of this to upload. See discussion at talk page of Puankhequa. w.carter-Talk 20:48, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, move along, that's quite enough friendly collaborative editing, thank you. This is Wiki-bleedin-pedia. Please fulfil your obligations by getting involved in some kind of ridiculous arguement (preferably with each other) within 2 business days, or else. (That's a very nice article you have, there. It would be a shame if something happened to it...) --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

What!!! I get in trouble all the time at the Teahouse. That has to count for something. Face-wink.svg w.carter-Talk 22:34, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
And we got us a picture. Nice! Thanks all! w.carter-Talk 00:19, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Could you please sort out what was said about him and what about his son? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:30, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done w.carter-Talk 09:47, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Inkpot Madonna[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:50, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Over 1,000[edit]

Hi, Gerda. I'm still here from time to time, but I do not seem to find much time for WP in the summer. I couldn't make out from your message who you meant: I looked at the table and most of the ticks were in place... Moonraker (talk) 19:58, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

There are only 4, and the top 3 have it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Got him! Strange how things can be invisible. "As I was going down the stair / I met a man who wasn't there. / He wasn't there again today..." And no doubt this is the End which awaits us all. "Golden girls and boys all must / Like chimney-sweepers, come to dust." Moonraker (talk)
Thank you, also for more wisdom. Working on Weinen, Klagen, expanded when I was in the mood, and reviewed now when I could easily dedicate it to the next invisible. I will find a different one for him, - Bach cantata titles cover many moods. Did you know that I translated Invisible Rail, but found that you hear the bird in German? - I translate for the missed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
A super article, congratulations! I loved the image of Gerd Heinrich rolling in stinging nettles to prepare for his expedition. He must surely have rolled naked? Moonraker (talk) 16:56, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Infobox wars and pieces[edit]

The infobox wars will continue until a few minds start to open up to the real solution. Tying infoboxes to metadata was a fundamental mistake that too many infobox warriors are unprepared to admit to. The obvious solution is for all infoboxes to be generated automatically from Wikidata, and users to be given the option to see them, not to see them, or even only to see them, perhaps accompanied by a micropedia-style lead. Simple. But it won't happen of course, because some would have to admit that they'd been riding the wrong horse. Eric Corbett 22:10, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

The wars were mentioned in 2005. I don't see any in 2014, but I may be blind. Look above for the names of some people known to love or hate them, all talking to each other. I was named a warrior once, - that was for repair after an edit war, weeks later. I deny the wars ;) - I simply believe that for example Carmen would be more attractive and informative like this. - See also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I remember some quite recently, over articles such as the Pendine Museum of Speed for instance. But there's no reason why you and I should have to see the same version of any page as readers. If you like infoboxes then have one. If I don't, then why should I have to see your preferred version? Thought ought to be given to a micropedia version of every page, based on Wikidata plus the article lead. Nothing else makes sense.
On a separate issue and in light of recent events, have you ever felt that I treated you differently or less respectfully because you're a female? Just curious. Eric Corbett 22:41, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I didn't remember the museum, looked it up and saw that the most recent edits were in 2013. - I asked about 2014 ;) - I told our arbitrators that the infobox war was over in 2012, last "battle" Cosima Wagner. - You always treated me well, as I keep telling people, - how would I know if that is different - if it is - because I am female or because I am I? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Good question. Probably because you are you, regardless of gender. I also remember an infobox spat around Montacute House, but that may have been last year as well. Eric Corbett 23:07, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I looked. Define spat, which seems to be much less than a battle. What I see with my limited view (reading diffs is a difficult art) is that Andy made one edit in the history of that article, on 14 February 2014: uncollapsing an infobox (an act of love on Valentine's Day?). - Of course, uncollapsing an infobox and putting it in the normal position IS a reason to be banned, as we know from Teh Case. (Reading diffs is a difficult art.) - Back to your initial question: in the following (longish) MOS discussion, wasn't it mentioned that readers can opt out seeing infoboxes? I didn't follow because I want to see them. - Further on memory lane, did you see that Andreas Scholl was improved since you helped me? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:45, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gerda[edit]

I probably should have reverted the IP edit at Maria Callas instead of requesting citations. Would you have a look at its history, and if you think it best, restore the version prior to the IP edit? Thank you.—John Cline (talk) 06:51, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

You do it, please. I reverted nonsense like that once, just before, and am on a self-imposed 1RR rule (see above, perhaps you can get behind my petition ;) ), on top of having left project opera, to not disturb them further. Funny enough, I am the one who supplied most of the recent DYK articles for the project, one a day in the last three days ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes I will, and understand your reluctance. I'm sorry if I've opened an old wound. I happened to notice your edit in the article's recent history, and I fully trust your judgement. I'll look at your petition directly. I feel confident I'll find myself in support of it. Cheers.—John Cline (talk) 07:49, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! No wound, - we celebrated Verdi's birthday together, last November, and we get along well, I simple try not to get in conflict. I believe that most operas would be more attractive with an infobox instead of a navbox that is redundant to a better one on the bottom, but don't waste time doing missionary work. I occasionally ask, though ;) - The link to the petition is on top of my user, if you don't want to read the (sort of related) discussion right above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Massenet[edit]

Greetings, dear Gerda! I am in the strange position of having two articles up for FAC at the moment, both as co-nom. I don't imagine John Gielgud is of compelling interest, but I wonder if you might find it pleasing to drop in chez Jules Massenet. Quite understand if he doesn't appeal, naturally. Respectful hugs, Tim riley talk 20:05, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for another invitation, while I didn't even turn to the Fludde, other than creating an article for it. The strange things I do instead include telling an arbitrtor as gently as I can (phrase borrowed from George Ponderevo) to check premises, and our founder about, - well how would you call it? I also had three singers on DYK on three consecutive days, - a bit strange after I left project opera to avoid being its troublemaker ;) - Did you see above that a Bach cantata was made GA today? Now the reviewer starts to fill its red links ;)

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Red links now all blue, looks much better. Now that's something Tim wouldn't do as a reviewer! :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:31, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I did indeed see BVW 12 promoted. I itch to review your GA nominations, but you can understand that as secretary to the Gerda Fan Club I feel inhibited from so doing. It was a salutary excursion for me today to engage in the FAC for Fluorine. I didn't understand a word of it, but nobody could imagine I was favouring dear colleagues! Tim riley talk 20:42, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I understand. Nice club idea, after I was seen in the infobox warrior club, which I don't know. Above, I said that I don't know of an infobox battle in 2014, - how about you? My fans could perhaps tell the arbs that they don't think I need a restriction to behave? Actually, Andy the same. - What do think about my thoughts about learning? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Superlambanana[edit]

Delighted to see that you are a fan of this iconic structure (at the top of the page)! --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:10, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

... only that the sad reason is that I am a fan of the missing photographer, - it's the most cheerful way I can deal with another terrible loss for the project, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Mmmmm. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:40, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Endymion (ensemble)[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Kindness Barnstar Hires.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
I know you do other stuff too, but I seem to see your name most often on user talkpages, invariably offering some kindly and poetic words of encouragement. Figured it's worth letting you have some of the same, although I'm no poet:

Gerda, thanks for being nice,
Dank für betragen nicht mörderische.

I don't speak very good German, either. Yunshui  09:30, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I practise every day, it helps ;) - today's: move in harmony, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you, Gerda, for your kind message.

This week I had a lot of other things to do. I will for sure update the pages of Bruckner's Quartet and Quintet next week, e.g.,adding a section "Versions and editions" and seeing for a split for the Alternative Rondo and the Intermezzo.

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:58, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Before splitting, try the second infobox again one more time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Please[edit]

There is an avid discussion going on in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera‎ about the legitimity of info boxes as an (legitimate) alternative to composer templates. I do not know your opinion but I would be very grateful if you could/would participate in the discussion as I have great admiration for your knowledge and your style. Thanks in any case, and best greetings after a wonderful evening with Fierrabras.--Meister und Margarita (talk) 00:30, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Of course they are legitimate. An infobox {{infobox opera}} was developed and proposed for use, see for example Opera infoboxes. Does this sound like a plan? - See also the other discussions (look for the word "infobox" in the well-organized archive). - I left the project but participated in the current discussion. "My" operas have infoboxes, of course, for example Bluthochzeit. I quote Voceditenore: "I live in hope." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:45, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
"Es ist schade um die Menschen." A Quote from Dream Play by Strindberg. All these efforts, so much harm. Makes me really sad. Rethinking myself, thanking you and still hoping, --Meister und Margarita (talk) 08:59, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for what you do, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:00, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


DYK for Puankhequa[edit]

HJ Mitchell 00:03, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mouvements d'Harmonie[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:39, 27 August 2014 (UTC) 12:03, 28 August 2014 (UTC)