User talk:Gerda Arendt

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Danket dem Herrn in St. Martin, Idstein, 13 July

Festive multichoral sacred music by Heinrich Schütz

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Hello, Gerda Arendt, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, like Graham Waterhouse, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for page creation, and may soon be deleted. ... Again, welcome! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Go Gerda Girl[edit]

You do great work and I love it! Don't let Tony get to you. Ihre Arbeit ist grossartig. Weiter schreiben, eien lange Zeit. PS, I really liked the article about the church the communists blew up. BarkingMoon (talk) 11:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC) Sehr geehrte Gerda, I have a watch on your page since a few weeks ago. I approved and moved 167 to holding for June 24.BarkingMoon (talk) 12:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Keine Problem. Koennen Sie ueberpruefen DYK Noel F. Parrish? Danke. BarkingMoon (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Later, yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
See my talk page. Thanks so much! BarkingMoon (talk) 11:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg On 30 December 2011 the article became a GA, thanks to Ched, PumpkinSky and MathewTownsend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Flowers and sapphires[edit]

nice edit notice ;)[edit]

A Halloween present from Wikipediocracy on my eighth anniversary. Best wishes. Mads Lange (talk) 09:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

free popcorn

'tis the season

nice comment, peace maker - I pass free treats today, Reformation, even the Bach cantata got a pumpkin + I like sharing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
peace GA ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG I'm not by there very often, but today I saw the recent kerfluffle at AN/I and thought you could use some sweets. Lest you think this is all selfless, though, I brought a second fork. Care to split it? -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, sweet of you, - I would share with Andy first if his doctors allow. Day by day I hope the thread autoarchives (havn't looked today), - I am sure his doctors allow no stress ;) . Did you see the list of 18 discussions "drowning" a project? - Everybody who takes an unbiased look is welcome to share the baklava! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Infobox request[edit]

Work your magic, if you have a few minutes: A Song for Simeon.--ColonelHenry (User:Gerda Arendt/ColonelHenry|talk) 23:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. Did you know that Simeon is among my images? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes clarification request archived[edit]

Hi Gerda, the infoboxes clarification request in which you were named as a party has been closed and archived. The Committee clarified that acting on behalf of a restricted user to breach a restriction is WP:PROXYING and so is not permitted. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 00:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── WP:PROXYING, which is a policy says "Wikipedians in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned editor (sometimes called proxy editing or proxying) unless they are able to show that the changes are either verifiable or productive and they have independent reasons for making such edits" (my emphasis). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Jahrhundertring[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 17:17, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Really glad to see this cultural milestone make it into the encyclopedia and onto the front page too. Well done! (talk) 03:19, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, see my memories :) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

nothing secret here[edit]

Hello Gerda, nice to meet you. Are you really the Notorious Infoboxen WikiCriminal that has been terrorizing the music articles?  :-)   As you can see from my first posting on AGK's talkpage, up above the duromac thing, I am *also* a notorious wikiCriminal. Or at least, notoriously silly (AGK blocked me -- then later unblocked me -- when they mistook one of my not-all-that-funny jokes over on the Bishzilla talkpage).

We get literally 1000 new editors every month! Problem is, we lose 1050 editors, every month; that *must* stop. Thanks for listening, and thanks for improving wikipedia. p.s. Upgrades,[5] unofficial tutorial,[6] and the 'official' helpdocs,[7] too. (talk) 13:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for sharing elucidation! The infobox story goes back to 2005, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 21 November 2013 (UTC)


Thank you for your cogent arguments on infoboxes for all biographies, so the "look and feel" of Wikipedia extends to all people. The arguments against them for certain classes of people is just silly. I love the way you have collected their specious arguments. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:55, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, it's nice to feel understood ;) - did you vote? - here's another collection of arguments, the candidates speaking for themselves, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:02, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Hope is precious and great joy is found in living[edit]

Thank you for the sapphire—cornflower blue is a color of some significance to me. In the maelstrom that Wikipedia can sometimes be, remember these words from Ode to Joy:

   Wem der große Wurf gelungen,
   Eines Freundes Freund zu sein,
   Wer ein holdes Weib errungen,
   Mische seinen Jubel ein!
   Ja, wer auch nur eine Seele
   Sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund!
   Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle
   Weinend sich aus diesem Bund! 

Walk lightly and remain yourself, above the fray. StaniStani  09:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, it helps to open my shop again. - I sang the words last year, here, helping. The blue colour is also of significance to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
shop open --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Yay  :-)     — (talk) 03:16, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Writers Barnstar Hires.png The Writer's Barnstar
Your efforts in creating and translating articles, here and elsewhere, is greatly appreciated. Thank you Gerda. Drmies (talk) 20:47, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Both a flower and a sapphire....
Team Barnstar Hires.png The Teamwork Barnstar
Your efforts in creating and translating articles, here and elsewhere, are greatly appreciated. Hafspajen (talk) 20:52, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, both, you excellent writing team, - guess what, I even started attacked a Magnificat today, or should I say four? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Magnificat, Magnificat, Magnificat, anima mea Dominum, Magnificat Magnificat Magnificat anima mea! Hafspajen (talk) 00:53, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Editors Barnstar Hires.png The Editor's Barnstar
To you, Gerda Arendt, for your unswerving dedication to improving this wonderful free encyclopedia, and for encouraging clear thinking among your fellow editors. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:39, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
"encouraging clear thinking", - I am actually crying now, thank you. - It will go in the selection "blushing", above. I remember winning an argument by "facts and myth", that was two years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Well, you definitely make me think, and your comments restrain my tendencies to rush to judgment. And restraint is something worthy to be cultivated, don't you think? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:12, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
I keep trying to encourage clear thinking (without having been able to word it that well), - Eric is someone who didn't need that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

The 100 DYK Nomination Medal[edit]

Dyk100N.svg The One Hundred DYK Nomination Medal
Gerda, to mark this new milestone. "Light as a flight of tumbling birds was the dipping and soaring of her syllables." Moonraker (talk) 00:06, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Congratulations, Gerda! Chris Troutman (talk) 01:36, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
HOORAY! Way to go! Montanabw(talk) 03:47, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
thank you, in light flight, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Well done!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:04, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations. Oh, my gosh. You were really working. I think I am at my 5th... Hafspajen (talk) 12:25, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I think you read that wrong, it's for nominations for others, something I am really proud of ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
No, I meant what i said Face-smile.svg Hafspajen (talk) 12:49, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
You meant you are at your 5th nomination for someone else? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Cannot find your musician[edit]

FA congratulations[edit]

Structure of compositions[edit]

The one thing I learned on Wikipedia was patience ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:24, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Neue Deutsche Härte[edit]

Is this To romantic?[edit]

Come back to tell you I always keep your image at my art. BracketBot
Easter egg sculpture in Gogolin 2014 P01.JPG
Without a hard heart, you can't survive here. Do you know why the men leave and the women, left behind, have to do the work, in the name of a better women/men ratio? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
HM, like women... User:BracketBot informs.BracketBot (talk) 20:28, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
HM? Her majesty? Humble minister? Honest musician? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:19, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
  • User:BracketBot informs you: I like you best. I'll' be back for your Jägermeister soon. .BracketBot (talk) 20:28, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
thank you for that important message (trying to stay serious) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Lovely image. I tried also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


The 500 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal[edit]

Dyk500CE.svg The 500 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
Gerda, you are one of the very few people who have reached this milestone. Thank you for your tireless contributions to Wikipedia and the DYK project! -Zanhe (talk) 06:39, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


And again. Nikkimaria (talk) 11:46, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

  • This is ridiculous. Gerda, do you feel you are being persecuted by Javert, and for similar motives? Montanabw(talk) 19:48, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
no, I am not impressed, I keep singing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


Congrats on your TFA....and the FA as well. Well done! :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 13:45, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, pure pleasure! Looking forward to "your" station! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

A Special Barnstar For You[edit]

SpecialBarnstar.png The Special Barnstar
A special barnstar for a special person who spreads special love here at Wikipedia. Thank you. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, love it especially (having been admonished of battleground behaviour in the most official way)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:56, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Template gallery[edit]


Aquamarin cut.jpg The Precious Gerda award
Now is that fair that you should be the one who gives away all that gorgious gems and receive none? (Oh, well, you did actually, as I can notice, above. At least one more... ) Hafspajen (talk) 20:48, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Red light!!
Thank you, love it. Today's went to an editor who had been proclaimed awesome three times before, and I received one awesome, three sapphires, a moonstone, an emerald, and now an aquamarine, but it's not fattening, just flattering, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Can you translate a bit of sv:Mansoor Hosseini? Heard the premiere of the top piece, interesting! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Well, I can try, sigh. This is Gerda, you give her or jewelry and she gives you work... Hafspajen (talk) 23:05, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Hm, that WAS interesting. French, apparently. I try. Hafspajen (talk) 23:10, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
  • You give her jewelry and she gives you an idea ;) - here of a bird in red sky (see my user page, pumpkin sky) by an Iranian composer who lives in Sweden, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:32, 23 June 2014 (UTC)


Münster Mühlenhof 4.JPG
Altes Schlafzimmer.JPG

What are those little cloths called, with embroideries, in old villages put on the wall? What are they called and do we have an article on it? Hafspajen (talk) 14:30, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, don't know even in German for sure. One is "Wandbehang", which goes to Tapestry but isn't exactly the same, another starting point might be Needlepoint, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Embroidery, cross-stitch (sometimes, if cross-stitching is used, anyway), needlepoint, name depends on technique. Montanabw(talk) 21:13, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
That's the technique, but how do you call the things hanging on the wall? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Sampler (needlework). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:36, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
The things you know! I confess I didn't believe it until I got to the line: "The word "sampler" is sometimes inaccurately applied to any piece of needlework meant for display." ;) - I just created a composer. I didn't do a thing, Belle did the translation, but I turned the link to blue, so by the unfathomable wisdom of our arbitrators I created it. I would say that the term "create" is also sometimes inaccurately applied. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
ps: see also de:Stickmustertuch (but I never heard that term before, - learning) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I only filled in some tiny bits in Hafspajen's translation, so don't go giving me too much credit. (and I noticed I forgot to translate the instruments, but you seem to have got them anyway). Belle (talk) 22:29, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I should have looked at contribs, not signature alone ;) - Hafspajen, here are many thanks for you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Ah, the crown of thorns. Thanks Belle, do you know Swedish? Hafspajen (talk) 22:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Some thorns come with roses, - take some for overcoming disgust, some for translations, some for dreams --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

My great-grandmother is Swedish and since she passed 90 she's started pretending she can't understand English any more. Belle (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 23:10, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Aha! Thought so, you were very sure handed on a couple Swenglish expressions! Hafspajen (talk) 23:28, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Lovely pictures... You don't happened to look at the little white patch with the rose name? This looks like an Elmshorn, for example. File:Roses Eltville 2014-3.JPG. Hafspajen (talk) 14:52, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
The two close-ups were not in the garden, where they have labels, but one on the bank of the Rhine, the other (pink) close to the boats. That one actually may have a label, I will look on my next visit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Your optimism[edit]

What can I say that you haven't already said?

I know! WP would be a MUCH friendlier place if there were more editors with your view of the world!!

Best wishes (and thanks), Pdfpdf (talk) 14:46, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. See above, I have been called a warrior, almost exactly a year ago, - thank goodness I can laugh about that and sing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank goodness for people with your view of the world!!!! Pdfpdf (talk) 15:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
bzzt, they need to be "admonished for treating Wikipedia as if it were a battleground and advised to better conduct themselves." (link from "here" on top of my user page) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
... (I can only agree. Pdfpdf (talk) 15:15, 24 June 2014 (UTC))

I wish we could clone Gerda! Hey Gerda my new living guitar hero now Paco has passed is this guy.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:47, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Good to see you are happily moving forward! Best wishes, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:31, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Errrr ...

Are you the only sane person editing WP? (I used to think that, on the whole, "most" people were sane ... ) Pdfpdf (talk) 14:35, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I am not sure that I am sane. Are you? Does it matter? ;) (any particular reason for your musing?) (I like to work with many people, most of them called Precious, like yourself, hundreds of them.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Oh dear.
Young lady, you are a gem.
In my (undoubtedly biased opinion), you add ENORMOUS positive value to WP. Pdfpdf (talk) 16:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
I am beyond my voluntary restriction to two comments in a discussion ;) - You didn't succeed in convincing me that helping another user and Wikipedia should be sanctioned. How about a bit more AGF? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Excellent response. (I have decided to take lessons from your modus operandi.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:29, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Farmer Brown[edit]

The title is more than just my alt name and alter ego. Not sure if you've seen this, but I figured you would enjoy this little essay I wrote some time back. Dennis Brown |  | WER 16:24, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I enjoyed it - again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
ps: look above for grandfather, who would have fit nicely (also mentioned in this thread) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Sounds like an interesting man :) I'm curious if there are other, similar versions of this in other cultures. It seems a pity to only have the one very American version of the parable. Dennis Brown |  | WER 16:40, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
I know one remotely similar, but it could also be US first, about a business consultant and his bet with a shepherd. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
In one of my favourite operas, Gianni Schichi, the hero is the peasant, who is the witty one to fake a will in favour of a noble family, not forgetting to give himself more than all others, - and his daughter is then "fit" to marry one of them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Gianni Schicchi
Comic opera by Giacomo Puccini
Gianni Schicchi will scene.png
Will scene in the premiere at the Met
Description One-act opera, part of Il Trittico
Librettist Giovacchino Forzano
Language Italian
Based on Dante's Divine Comedy
Premiere 14 December 1918 (1918-12-14) – Metropolitan Opera
Dennis, Here's my alternative info, thanks for appreciating redundance, - nice because typically the first argument against this is redundance ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
You're such a smart lady, you humble me regularly with your vast knowledge. I need regular humbling, so you are doing me a favor. ;) Dennis Brown |  | WER 20:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Do you want to make me blush? (Examples pictured further up.) - This is not knowledge, it's interest. - Did you look at our FA? What do you think of the image in the upper right corner? Do you recognize that it is supposed to be a navbox? Do you like to navigate away from an article which you just entered? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
You ask a lot of questions, young lady. I noticed the info box with the drop down menu, I've seen Eric do that before, I like those for many articles, although I prefer traditional infoboxes for science stuff. I did enjoy theatre in my youth (participating and watching), but opera has always escaped me. It's like they're singing a foreign language... Dennis Brown |  | WER 20:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Be careful, very careful, see above for minefield. - This thing is not a collapsed infobox, as Eric sometimes uses, but see also. This is a navbox, tells you nothing about the article, but navigates away from it. The normal position for a navbox is on the bottom, and guess what? There it is. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I noticed it looked different, the headers and such. That is different and pretty useful stuff. But will it be confusing to readers expecting a traditional "see also" section but its missing? Dennis Brown |  | WER 21:33, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
For me, the navbox at the bottom is pretty useful. I am not sure what's useful for you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
No, it is useful, but if users are used to seeing a "see also" and they don't, it might not immediately obvious. Consistency. I'm sure I would get voted down, but I'm one that like redundancy in stuff like that, and would probably like both. I'm funny that way. Dennis Brown |  | WER 21:44, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Start over: Did you see the singer (where Eric helped)? What would you think if you came to a singer article, and instead of telling you when he was born and where he studied, you would get a navigation to other singers who studied with the same teacher, and not a picture of the singer, but of the teacher. ?? (And forgive me: I have no idea how "see also" comes into play.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

  • I think the idea is interesting, again, kind of like a "see also" feature simply because they are tangentially related. I'm not sure about the example you use here (most singers that have articles here didn't study with someone, so consistency is a problem), but I'm intrigued by the idea in general. It isn't very "wikipedia", but it seems to be very "encyclopedia". I do like the idea of a nav box on an opera that links all the other operas from the same composer. That could be true with any musician, for example. Not prepared to have a final opinion, but the idea is very interesting. I can see that in some kinds of articles, it would be a huge improvement, I'm just not smart enough to know what all types of articles off the top of my head. Dennis Brown |  | WER 12:50, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
I think we agree more than it looks. I am all for a navbox of all (or at least the notable) operas/works of a composer, but please where a navbox belongs: at the bottom. Look at Gianni Schicchi: it's at the bottom, {{Giacomo Puccini}} - Many composers have one. - The other navbox on top - which was there before - can't be as well formatted, - horizontal is better for a presentation of groups. I chose the (hypothetical) example to show how little sense it makes to me, to showcase not the topic of the article (opera/singer), but instead something secondary (composer/teacher). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:06, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Peace music[edit]

Look, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:21, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I have in the meantime combined the content of the two original Infoboxes "String Quintet" and "Intermezzo". I am not very happy with result.--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:47, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree, it looks confusing, with so many data different, - I would restore the former version and argue on the article talk page if needed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I have put on the comment page of String Quintet and Nikkimaria's talk page that we were not very happy with the combined infobox and that I was intended to restore the original infoboxes. Some time later I have restored them. There is in the meantime no reaction from Nikkimaria and the restored the infobox for "Intermezzo" is still present (hopefully definitively!). Have a fine evening! --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:06, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
FYI: In the meantime I have been thanked for it by Moxy. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 18:55, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Look for Moxy (or "shout the loudest") here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Saw my name - got to love the ping thing. I still feel the same way as then....that is let the main editors decide the content and layout preferred. Don't let Wikiproject members bully you around - this POV is policy as per WP:Advice pages. All that is needed is a talk about the merit and disadvantages. In this case the second box is nice but does look a bit out of place. But that said I would respect the choice of the main contributors to have it there if they wish since there is no policy broken... as in not misleading, no OR etc.. No need to cause conflict for no reason - best the content editor move on to a new article - not wasting time trying to defend there valid contributions. To be honest I generally stay away for this problem now - as in dont edit classical music article much. I do read lots of them and fix refs from time to time. On a side note I just finished Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia and would love Nikki or Gerda Arendt to look it over perhaps a nice copy edit as you both know my grammar skills are lacking. Fuhghettaboutit has done a great job copyeditng behind me but would love a third set of eyes. -- Moxy (talk) 01:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for coming over, Moxy, same sound thinking as ever! - Main editor, what do you think of splitting the four in three and one, and have extra articles on the extra movements in the string pieces? (as Nikkimaria forked BWV 120a off BWV 120, and several others, and therefore several Bach cantata articles don't have an infobox) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:46, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Beste Gerda,

Thank you for your revert of Psalm 146 (Bruckner). See the discussion I had with Nikkimaria. I found her argumentation for removing the text dull.

Furthermore, we and she are apparently not on the same wave length! I restored dates of publication with ref of the Gesamtausgabe and she continues to say that it is still not substantiated... I also saw your discussion about the Infobox of Symphony No. 8... I will stop any discussion with her.

Guten Abend, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:26, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I restored the text without seeing your discussion. (I saw it later.) Two pieces of advice: 1) You gave the ref Gesamtausgabe in your discussion, but is it in the article, as an inline citation? (formality, formality) 2) Don't discuss "with her", discuss content on the article talk pages with whoever is interested, - please. Did you know that I mentioned Bruckner's symphonies a lot last year? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:48, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
What do you think of a navbox Anton Bruckner, comparable to template:Giuseppe Verdi, all in one, instead of four small ones that don't know of each other? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Despite the fact I added the ref Gesamtausgabe in the article as an inline citation, she persisted to say that it was still not substantiated. The reason that I definitely will no more discuss with her... Beste Grüße, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 21:16, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Try to forget then, move forward: how about the template question? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
The examples of the Magnificat, Psalms 114 and 146 are quite unique, because they were first recorded in 1971 (according to van Zwol), 1984 and 1987, using scores prepared especially for these performances, long before there were issued in the Gesamtausgabe by Paul Hawkshaw in 1996.
For the Magnificat a score was prepare by Carragan. You find a copy of this score on Jonn Berky's site. After the issue in the Gesamtausgabe two recordings have been issued: in 1997 by Farnberger with the St. Florianer Sängerknaben and in 2011 by Thomas Kerbl (Linzer Brucknerfest).
For Psalm 114 a score based on Bruckner's manuscript has also made (by Robert Simpson?). No "faithful" recording of Psalm 114 (i.e., in accordance with the official score) has been issued after the issue of the Gesamtausgabe.
For Psalm 146, a performance by Riedelbauch (28 November 1971) using a copy of Bruckner's manuscript had been issued in c. 1973. Another performance occurred in Vienna by Heinz Wallberg with the Niederosterreichische Tonkuenstler Orchestra on 10 November 1991, of which a recording is put in the Bruckner Archive. In 1995 a performance by Leon Botstein, which used the score prepared by Hawkshawn for the Gesamtausgabe, has been recorded and also put in the Bruckner Archive. John Berky has provided me with a copy of it. The recording, which has not been commercially issued, is unfortunately not of very high quality.
Make it sense that I put this info somewhere else: comment page of Bruckner or by each work, respectively? Let me please know it.
The template "Verdi" is for sure interesting, but I do not know whether I would apply for Bruckner, because of his high number of smaller religious and secular works. See List of compositions by Anton Bruckner.
At the end of this week we leave for a 2-week holiday in the French Alps. In the meantime I will not have much time to devote to Wikipedia, because there is still much left to do in the house and the garden... --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:56, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
I didn't wait and started {{Anton Bruckner}}. I think it's not too large (we had a proposal for Mozart, you can imagine ...), and let readers see the more unusual composition better. No rush, enjoy your vacation. When you return, you could start something on the recording and publishing history of Bruckner's works, it sounds interesting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
"My current and future approach to conflict is and will be moderated by my understanding of the value of reasoned discussion where possible, and formal dispute-resolution processes where necessary" - guess who wrote that? - I found it here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 2 July 2014 (UTC)


Even in English, I often get "i before e except after c" wrong. Fortunately the spell-checker is there to help me. But German is a lost cause for me. I would never notice the problem, and my spell checker says it is all spelled wrong. :~) Aymatth2 (talk) 13:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

ei vs. ie is hopeless for spell-checker, because we have sie and sei, Stiel and steil, Lied and Leid. But we don't have Kreig ;) - The problem I see, more generally, is: what do we do when a "reliable source" is wrong? In this case, the title page of the book shows that the title is misspelled. In a recent article, a source said that the hymn was by Martin Luther. Wrong. Yes, he wrote one that starts similarly, but this was a different one. When I noticed, I changed it, but wait for someone to say that I got the source wrong, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Google Books metadata is often wrong. E.g. Die deutschen Juden und der Kreig 1729. 1729? I came across a great example the other day with Ogura, Takeshi (1997-11-21). Dynamic Aspects Of Natural Products Chemistry. CRC Press. p. 178. ISBN 978-90-5702-209-8.  Somehow a chapter called The Louvre and its public persona, 1848-52 by Gabriel P. Weisberg has found its way into the scanned version of this book on chemistry. I always give a url so someone checking can see what I saw, even if the attribution is wrong.
And yes, apparently reliable sources often have errors of fact. Authors make mistakes, and publishers are often slack on checking facts in works by well qualified authors. If I find two sources that contradict each other, I often pick the one that seems right, but add a footnote saying what the other sources say. See Canadian Historical Dinner Service. A bit of original research maybe, but I think acceptable in a footnote. It may help prevent the error being put back in. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:31, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Good idea, not just change but point out the other version, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the sapphire. I really appreciate the positive feedback. I had forgotten about Fire pot. That was an early essay and had far too few sources. Still, it was amusing to write it. Thank you again. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:43, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Philippe Capdenat[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 15:43, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you Gerda Arendt for taking your time to thank editors for what they do to help Wikipedia. You are a very kind Wikipedia editor. Robert4565 (talk) 03:08, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

RM notice[edit]

FYI: Pointer to discussion that may be relevant to you.

A requested moves discussion in which you participated in Dec. 2013 has been reopened, at Talk:Mustang horse#Alternative proposal.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  03:06, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

... where I commented four days ago, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 22 July 2014 (UTC)


[12], looks cute here, [13], in GermanHafspajen (talk) 05:15, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Excellent find. Anything in the text that would expand the article? 91st birthday 30 July, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:00, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Belated explanation[edit]

Hi Gerda, I didn't have time yesterday to explain my reasoning to you regarding my AN post but will now. First, I wasn't aware of what was happening until I saw this comment to Belle's page, which I thought wasn't neutrally worded. When I noticed the AN thread, it seemed to me that it was going very fast, and that people were chiming in, who perhaps lack the context of the full story that began on a page I was working in November 2011, so I thought it might be a good idea to try to slow it down - although I really dislike posting in those kinds of discussions.

Before posting I took a look at Boing's page, saw your note and I took a look at the link to Anna Kravtchenko and the talk page, which to me seemed as though you were bringing attention to yet another issue - without coming right out and saying why. My feeling is that once a person is thanked, either on their page or with the notification system (of course because that's hidden there's no way of knowing whether you use it), it tends to add a sense of urgency and factionalism to a situation that instead needs de-escalation, which in turn could, to a degree, make the person somewhat involved.

As I mentioned earlier, I've been more than involved because this long series of events began with a dispute I had and since that time I've seen a lot of excellent editors leave in response. In the end, I have to ask myself whether what we've gained is worth what we've lost? And to be honest, I carry a huge burden of guilt because I believe I could have prevented these now-almost-three-years of fighting.

Anyway, sorry, this got long, but it's an explanation. I've not used the pingie function but if you want to bring the other's attention to it, that's fine with me. Victoria (tk) 15:05, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

You read Belle's page, you can read there that I think that the war is a myth. Let's get beyond. Don't feel guilty for what you could have done or not, if only ... - the future starts now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
I never saw that edit to my page until now :) Thanks for the thanks Gerda and sorry I didn't see it. I honestly didn't see any positives in blocking you for a month, though I'm so neutral I would have done it for anybody (that is anybody whose edits I was stalking; yes, stalking; oooooohhh). Belle (talk) 16:17, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
No problem, I am used to it, I even invited, - I need guidance in language ;) - I cleaned up my Bach cantatas for two weeks ahead in case I get blocked. You can give Precious, if ;) - Other than that, you know ..., --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:28, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
In case you missed it, my declaration of independence (collapsed now, with a typo), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 23 July 2014 (UTC)