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Hello, Gerda Arendt, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, like Graham Waterhouse, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for page creation, and may soon be deleted. ... Again, welcome! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Go Gerda Girl[edit]

You do great work and I love it! Don't let Tony get to you. Ihre Arbeit ist grossartig. Weiter schreiben, eien lange Zeit. PS, I really liked the article about the church the communists blew up. BarkingMoon (talk) 11:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC) Sehr geehrte Gerda, I have a watch on your page since a few weeks ago. I approved and moved 167 to holding for June 24.BarkingMoon (talk) 12:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Keine Problem. Koennen Sie ueberpruefen DYK Noel F. Parrish? Danke. BarkingMoon (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Later, yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
See my talk page. Thanks so much! BarkingMoon (talk) 11:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg On 30 December 2011 the article became a GA, thanks to Ched, PumpkinSky and MathewTownsend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

nice edit notice ;)[edit]

A Halloween present from Wikipediocracy on my eighth anniversary. Best wishes. Mads Lange (talk) 09:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

free popcorn

'tis the season

nice comment, peace maker - I pass free treats today, Reformation, even the Bach cantata got a pumpkin + I like sharing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
peace GA ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG I'm not by there very often, but today I saw the recent kerfluffle at AN/I and thought you could use some sweets. Lest you think this is all selfless, though, I brought a second fork. Care to split it? -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, sweet of you, - I would share with Andy first if his doctors allow. Day by day I hope the thread autoarchives (havn't looked today), - I am sure his doctors allow no stress ;) . Did you see the list of 18 discussions "drowning" a project? - Everybody who takes an unbiased look is welcome to share the baklava! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Hope is precious and great joy is found in living[edit]

Thank you for the sapphire—cornflower blue is a color of some significance to me. In the maelstrom that Wikipedia can sometimes be, remember these words from Ode to Joy:

   Wem der große Wurf gelungen,
   Eines Freundes Freund zu sein,
   Wer ein holdes Weib errungen,
   Mische seinen Jubel ein!
   Ja, wer auch nur eine Seele
   Sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund!
   Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle
   Weinend sich aus diesem Bund! 

Walk lightly and remain yourself, above the fray. StaniStani  09:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, it helps to open my shop again. - I sang the words last year, here, helping. The blue colour is also of significance to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
shop open --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Yay  :-)     — (talk) 03:16, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Writers Barnstar Hires.png The Writer's Barnstar
Your efforts in creating and translating articles, here and elsewhere, is greatly appreciated. Thank you Gerda. Drmies (talk) 20:47, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Both a flower and a sapphire....
Team Barnstar Hires.png The Teamwork Barnstar
Your efforts in creating and translating articles, here and elsewhere, are greatly appreciated. Hafspajen (talk) 20:52, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, both, you excellent writing team, - guess what, I even started attacked a Magnificat today, or should I say four? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Magnificat, Magnificat, Magnificat, anima mea Dominum, Magnificat Magnificat Magnificat anima mea! Hafspajen (talk) 00:53, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
  • exquisite image (the brooch) ____83d40m (talk) 02:20, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

The 100 DYK Nomination Medal[edit]

Dyk100N.svg The One Hundred DYK Nomination Medal
Gerda, to mark this new milestone. "Light as a flight of tumbling birds was the dipping and soaring of her syllables." Moonraker (talk) 00:06, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Congratulations, Gerda! Chris Troutman (talk) 01:36, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
HOORAY! Way to go! Montanabw(talk) 03:47, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
thank you, in light flight, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Well done!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:04, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations. Oh, my gosh. You were really working. I think I am at my 5th... Hafspajen (talk) 12:25, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I think you read that wrong, it's for nominations for others, something I am really proud of ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
No, I meant what i said Face-smile.svg Hafspajen (talk) 12:49, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
You meant you are at your 5th nomination for someone else? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

FA congratulations[edit]

The 500 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal[edit]

Dyk500CE.svg The 500 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
Gerda, you are one of the very few people who have reached this milestone. Thank you for your tireless contributions to Wikipedia and the DYK project! -Zanhe (talk) 06:39, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


Congrats on your TFA....and the FA as well. Well done! :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 13:45, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, pure pleasure! Looking forward to "your" station! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

José Carlos Cocarelli[edit]

Hi Gerda. I was wondering why such an obviously virtuoso pianist has so little coverage these days, despite being relatively young as pianists go. Perhaps you were too? I found his official YouTube channel. It has no videos on it (although others have uploaded some old ones to their channels). Anyhow, he did have a comments section where someone in France, who had heard him play years ago and greatly admired him, asked when he would be performing again there. Cocarelli replied [1]:

"Je vous remercie pour ce souvenir heureux pour vous et pour moi. Malheureusement les concerts ce n'est plus d'actualité, du moins tant que je traînerai des troubles neurologiques qui me handicapent sévèrement dans ma mobilité et au piano. Je vis en France, en Sarthe, où j'enseigne le piano dans deux petites écoles de musique (dans mon état, impossible d'envisager une place dans un conservatoire). Vous souhaitant Bonne continuation. Merci encore!"
(Thank you for this happy memory, for both you and me. Unfortunately, concerts are no longer possible now that I suffer from neurological disorders that severely handicap my mobility and my ability to play the piano. I live in France, Sarthe, where I teach piano in two small music schools (in my condition, it is impossible to imagine a place in a conservatory). Wishing you good luck. Thank you again!)

How sad! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, sad. Thank you for coming over to tell me! Happy, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello Sweet Woman.[edit]

Hope you and yours are doing well. Hugs always, — Ched :  ?  15:08, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

With you appearing, I am better, compared to the sadness on top. Believe it or not, there is more peace now in infobox topics ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Surreal Barnstar Hires.png The Surreal Barnstar
In belated response to your efforts at Franz Kafka, my favourite author, and also for your kindness in telling other editors (i.e. me) that they are valued, I grant you this barnstar! Thanks very much for doing what you do. RGloucester 02:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks much[edit]

Your message cheered up the morning. Was wondering if you were interested in an RfA. If yes, would be a pleasure nominating you. Wifione Message 15:49, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! About a nomination: it's an honour, but read a few messages around here first. The best answer was by Dr. Blofeld ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, have read the whole thread. My view is different; there are many content writers who ensure they take up only those administrative areas that are related to content writing and that don't take away the pleasure of/from volunteering. And I would recommend you go for the RfA. If you're on for it, I'll continue on email. If not, no issues. Best regards. Wifione Message 08:37, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Ernst Roth[edit]

Grave of Ernst Roth (1896-1971) in Twickenham Cemetery, London, UK.

Hi Gerda. That photo of Ernst Roth's gravestone is now uploaded. I've put a thumbnail here. You may want to crop it down a bit before using in an article. Please use as you see fit, and apologies for taking so long to get round to uploading it. Not quite eight months, but still a long time. Hopefully better late than never. Carcharoth (talk) 00:04, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!

. . ...
colourful image in hope
last song of silence

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:26, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

How to come close[edit]

to God

Hafspajen (talk) 20:53, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Singing seems lighter ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for the encouraging click! Opus33 (talk) 18:01, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

I like to read the period recognition of artists! - You would have liked the concert I just heard: Murray Perahia and the Academy in Beethoven's fifth piano concerto at the Kurhaus Wiesbaden, Perahia's debut at the Rheingau Musik Festival, - standing ovations for a quite lyrical inspired performance. - Recommended listening: an interview with him, about his relationship to Benjamin Britten. - Will be away for rehearsals for most of the weekend. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
<expresses envy> Opus33 (talk) 23:52, 12 September 2014 (UTC)


A merge proposal could win consensus if the main article had more discussion of the other movements, so it stayed balanced. I like infoboxes. This article is part of a series, and readers should get a consistent experience. See Help:Infobox – "The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article. Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article." The "main editor" does not have any special say. I am not qualified to judge the sources. I am generally suspicious of websites, but they may be good. I would not remove citations of sources that seem reliable. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:22, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Kitten for you![edit]

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Sending love to Gerda! Did you see my first FA? :-) Also, since you like humourous Wikipedia, did you get to see this one: Meta:Friends of gays should not be allowed to edit articles. :-) Cheers!

Prhartcom (talk) 23:53, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Good to start the day laughing. (Yesterday was a funeral day.) Lovely FA! I had my first solo also this year. When would you like yours to appear? WP:QAI can help with it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank goodness for you, Gerda; if it hadn't been for your hint, I wouldn't have known that I am supposed to submit to this TFAR thing (that I just finished) if I want to see my article on the main page. It pays to know smart people. Magnificent FA! Prhartcom (talk) 04:38, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


(talk / contribs) 12:52, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Leoš Janáček
Leos Janacek relief.jpg
Janáček relief, by Julius Pelikán
Born Leo Eugen Janáček
(1854-07-03)3 July 1854
Hukvaldy, Moravia, then part of the Austrian Empire
Died 12 August 1928(1928-08-12) (aged 74)
Ostrava, Czech Republic
Notable work(s) List of compositions
Signature Leos Janacek signature.svg

I helped to compile the article on Janáček, so I'm curious ... and I can accept criticism :) --Vejvančický

The compilation is great, I would criticise just the lead, and it's not your fault, it's the general layout. I think that a reader first should know that the person pictured with a woman is a composer, and about what time, - only then details of pronunciation, alternate names. There's an easy solution, but not liked by Classical music ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:49, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I don't fight the "infobox battle". Honestly, I have no opinion on that. Both ways work for me and for any intelligent person, I believe. When I look at the article it is clear to me in 1 or 2 seconds what it is about, with the infobox or without it. Thanks for your explanation, Gerda. With my best wishes - Antonín Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:35, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't fight any battle, but for me a listing with parameters is just easier to grasp. Look at Genghis Khan, - the lead is even more complicated, with Mongolian that doesn't show, but one glance to the right tells me something. I will have to understand why for composers that is not offered for people like me. Those who don't like it could opt out even to see it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


Brackett-bot loves you Braxckett.


Sogni =Vittorio Matteo Corcos - Dreams , 1896, Galleria Nazionale d’Arte Moderna, Rome
Höfisches Fest in einem Lustgarten
God keep you safe,
God keep you warm
God keep you and
yours from all harm.
May He bless your
kith and kin,
the hearth, the house
and all within.
Thanks for the blessing, bracketbot - no image? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Gerda, spring its blue band waves around, Frühlingsgefühle im September, how come? Thought you were about my indthusmiasmic article :) Serten (talk) 22:13, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
blue-grey image not on the German Main page yesterday, but article, and bracketbot supplied the image, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Kirche von Horn auf der Höri fehlt noch.
 ;) Yep.DYK. First review, too much climate and ecological history conflicts in the last time. Cheers. Serten (talk) 22:25, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
thanks, will dream now, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Sitting on your bench, dreaming around, hey, Gerda... Planning the next article Face-smile.svg? Hafspajen (talk) 10:34, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
My plans are secret ;) (I can give an infobx only to articles I create - and by create they don't mean a creative process but turning a red link to blue, - if I create a decent article from a one-line stub, that's not create, - therefore I avoid red links). I work on Locus iste. Want to find out if the chapel pictured is the chapel for which it was composed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Be careful with too much secrete solemnity - our common liking O.J. Bierbaum on Stefan George: „Feierlich sein ist alles! Sei dumm wie ein Thunfisch, temperamentlos wie eine Qualle, stier besessen wie ein narkotisierter Frosch, aber sei feierlich, und du wirst plötzlich Leute um dich sehen, die vor Bewunderung nicht mehr mäh sagen können.“ ;) Serten (talk) 15:05, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I have to be secret, - not for solemnity but because of my state of shame ;) (which I came to enjoy) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

fly Gerda fly, Mariam al-Mansouri is up as well to DYK ;) Serten (talk) 15:32, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Gerda, I wouldn't mind having the same kind of infobox like THIS ONE, - same coliur, same size on painting and all of it. But it is in Russian... don't know how to make it English. I specially like the colour of it, it goes perfectly with the painting's own. Hafspajen (talk) 13:32, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Pajemanii pa russki ;) Serten (talk) 14:04, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
You don't decide on the style of an infobox, the template does it. For {{infobox church}} (St. Martin, Idstein) and {{infobox musical artist}}, they work with colours. I like it plain, so go always with {{infobox person}} (Gabriela Eibenová) and often with {{infobox building}} instead. Yours would be {{infobox artwork}}, I think. For some, you can adjust image size. If you don't like a template, go to the template talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:31, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
We have done it together. The Fog Warning. Serten (talk) 09:54, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, master of hobby horse polo ;) - Made my day, which is ice anyway: anniversary of pir performance of the B minor, with a lovely soprano who flew in from Prague, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Like the ones with the size adjust image. Thanks for the help. Hafspajen (talk) 15:36, 29 September 2014 (UTC).
If you come across one that doesn't have it, ask on the template talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:28, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh, thanks, Angel. May we add Serten and Xantomxxxxxxprogg (Xanty)? Hafspajen (talk) 19:34, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
You can do it. Just copy the line with DYKmake two times, with their names, and add a comment, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


Thank you. I really appreciate it. I think that you also are awesome. Tony the Marine (talk) 01:39, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

That means a lot, coming from you, a proud grandfather giving honors! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:25, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Gabriela Eibenová[edit]

Thank you from the DYK project and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 12:02, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mela Tenenbaum[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:03, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

For you[edit]

Munari, Cristoforo - Stilleben mit Musikinstrumenten und Früchten - c. 1706-03.jpg The Musical Award
To a very musical editor Hafspajen (talk) 18:21, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Im schwarzen Walfisch zu Askalon[edit]

Gerda, I wrote my first enWP song entry, would you help me please with the infobox ;) ? Cheers Serten (talk) 22:44, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

I may not add one, but can help. See what you understand of {{infobox song}} and {{infobox musical composition}}, and see what fits better. Move the image name (without prefix) to the appropriate parameter in the box, and the caption to the caption parmeter. Good luck, need sleep. - Can you help with this one (move it), - celebrating Kirchweih today by singing Monteverdi ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Infobox poem was deleted, and the song one doesnt allwo pics, so you helped me a lot. I didnt get the hint with the move - where to? I would however support a sort of unified infobox scheme whereever you need me.

   Vivant omnes virgines
   Faciles, formosae.
   Vivant et mulieres
   Tenerae, amabiles,
   Bonae, laboriosae.

Serten (talk) 23:19, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Locus iste infobox to Locus iste (Bruckner). Dangerous. I didn't "create" the article, so say the rules, and I may not add an infobox to an article I didn't "create". However, I believe that I created the article, and most Bruckner composition articles have an infobox, - our readers don't object ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:16, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
No problem, it makes sense with that article as well. Serten (talk) 14:28, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for that sense. More (marked red) to be found here. See also ;) - Any idea for Pigs in popular culture? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Don't drag me to far into that muddy pond. Dem Schweinen ist alles Schwein! I thought I remember a rather saulty italian leftist novel out of my youth with such a title, but I couldnt find it. Such where the days ;) Serten (talk) 15:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't drag you at all ;) - thought you would like the title, and the toilet paper orientation. - The pond of infoboxes for compositions and operas is clear, - you can avoid bios, but see, bonus et amabilis. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:40, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
The first time I saw a countertenor, first not believing to hear him, was in Scotland. I wasnt aware of Scholl, great article! My last biography opus magnum is Reiner Grundmann, and I never would write a science bio without an infobox. Serten (talk) 17:48, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Of course not ;) - by avoid bios, I meant bios of our list. Scholl was a long article when I met it, - it improved greatly with the help of friends and one of his harpsichordists, - look at the history which contains one of the edits I love best. - As for GA and infobox, not only are all my good articles graced with an infobox, but five of them were reviewed by users who don't particularly like them, namely Smerus, Dr. Blofeld and Tim riley. - Scholl stood almost next to me as a soloist of Bach's St Matthew Passion, - a lasting inspiration. When he sang He was despised, you would have heard a needle fall. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:00, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
I like our notion about patience ;) Serten (talk) 16:10, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

dial M for...[edit]

Well spotted, it's all part of the plan Mimfmeak - talk to me? 06:36, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

I have my eyes open for Martin, where we celebrated Kirchweih yesterday, not singing Locus iste, but Missa in F and Cantate Domino by Monteverdi ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:42, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Martin Lücker[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Nice! Funny but I know who he is and am familiar with him for some reason. Started Martin Stephani, can you link with German wiki and proof/expand? Das wäre wunderbar, danke!♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:12, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Whatever happened to the old Gerda? The old Gerda would have expanded it and given me three new red links :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

See above, vacation ;) - Before I can expand that I have to reference the St John Passion structure and the D major Magnificat, get Locus iste to GA standard (I nominated on our Kirchweih date before it was ready, then it was fully protected). I have a new article in mind for tomorrow but will not supply a red link, to not have the Locus iste struggle again ;) - If you want to fill red links, there are enough for a while in the Bach cantatas, singers but also hymn writers, hymns and places. You could also translate more for Katharinenkirche, Oppenheim, where we sang Locus iste on Saturday, and Bruckner's E minor Mass will be performed by the Kammerchor Stuttgart (not for me, more vacation, for most of October), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
ps: + updating the cantatas for next Sunday, and see RIP on my user page, for Erhard Egidi, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Sorry to hear about Erhard Egidi :-(♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:48, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
I thought of him when I writing my DYK #500 with passion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Image of Thomaskirche interior 1880[edit]

Hi Gerda—I was looking at this article, which displays the pic in question. The description of the file says, inter alia: "The organ loft is on the left." There's currently an organ there (newish), but the organ loft proper I'd always understood as being above the stand-point of the pic (see Wolff's book). Is the description misleading? Tony (talk) 14:35, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

There were two organs, and Mathsci knew all about it, sigh. I don't, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Then I'll make the description a little more detailed. Tony (talk) 01:18, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gerda,[edit]

I respect your opinion (of course). After reading some of the discussion at Jimbo's talk page, and before forming an opinion I had a closer look at Eric's talk page. I found his exchange with Cullen at the end of the "October 2014" section rather telling. Makes it logical to back up Jimbo on this one (for me at least). --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:44, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Still a (not unimportant!) detail: as you may know many years ago I contributed to the Wikipedia:Argumentum ad Jimbonem essay, particularily its section on Misquoting. On my page you said

A "leader" who speaks of "toxic personalities", meaning people, any people ...

(bolding added) — I don't know who you're talking about. Jimbo spoke about

... toxic behavior ...

AFAIK. It is the difference between commenting on the edit and commenting on the person. Please don't misquote Jimbo on my talk page, alternatively, show me where he talked about toxic personalities. --Francis Schonken (talk) 06:16, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
On the London convention. Search his talk archives a little deeper, perhaps look for my name. I can't help you, nor anybody else, today, - off to travel. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Don't worry, have a nice convention. I'm not losing my sleep over this. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:36, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Here it is (5 years ago!) "This all seems sadly unbecoming to me, and a direct consequence of our having been too tolerant, for too long, of toxic personalities."
Retracted a few hours later "You are right that it would have been more gentle to talk about toxic "behaviors" rather than "personalities""
Didn't see Jimbo repeat the error.
Makes what you wrote on my talk page no less Misquoting (Wikipedia:Argumentum ad Jimbonem#Misquoting) anyhow, i.e. quoting out of context for an error that was corrected 5 years ago. --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:47, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, in the rush I was not clear. Jimbo Wales spoke on the London convention 2014 (I am in Santiago de Compostela), as public as can be. The transcript is in his talk page archive, so seems to be correct. - Civility??? -Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:18, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Francis, when I learned about the phrase, I saw a good example how to identify with the victims and followed it, appreciated that Nikkimaria told us that it wasn't the first time (and the victim was also a person I highly respect). I said that "this user learned that the flowers of kindness, generosity, forgiveness and compassion do not grow well on a soil of people thinking of other people as toxic personalities. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Annoying User, Good Content.JPG
@Francis Schonken: A picture is worth a thousand words… This is Jimmy Wales giving a speech a couple of months ago, still prominently using the phrase "incredibly toxic personalities" in his presentation to refer to people who disagree with him. As per the links Gerda has given you above, "incredibly toxic personality" has long been his insult of choice, and he has a long history of lashing out at people to whom he takes a dislike (which led to the Arbcom case from hell, and Jimmy's jump-before-being-pushed "permanent abdication of the use of the blocking tool"). Ironically, he continues to serve on the board of Civilination. – iridescent 09:55, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, indeed forgot to take account of the off-wiki communications (which are however not subject to the Wikipedia policy comment on content, not on the contributor).

In sum:

  • I'm less worried about off-wiki communications. "Leader points out problem" still applies I suppose, which is an educated guess before going into the content of such off-wiki communications;
  • I didn't find it difficult to back Jimbo on his in-wiki communications in this matter; I'm sorry I misread your first communication on this matter on my talk page as being about on-wiki communications only;
  • I repeat: I respect your opinion. Mine didn't change on this issue.

--Francis Schonken (talk) 08:10, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

To call a speech of Jimbo Wales, given on the Wikipedia convention, "off-Wiki" amuses me. When I mentioned the phrase I didn't name an author, just said that it doesn't go well with ideals about kindness etc, thought about any person. Leaders can point out problems differently. The phrase made it to several talk pages and got certainly "on-wiki" then (if not before). I am with any victim of such a toxic view of people, even if may disagree with the victim on other topics. - About Eric Corbett specifically: he was always kind and helpful to me (Andreas Scholl, "chin up" and "dignity", leader of a minority group opposing the main stream, a group including women), - treat him with respect, that's what you will receive, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
For clarity (again): my comments were only about Jimbo's on-wiki communications. Other people's on-wiki communications loaded with negativity or positivity quoting off-wiki Jimbo don't interest me. I tend to find such communications annoying on Jimbo's talk page, for the sheer place they take.
On-wiki I don't say:
  • xxxx is a good person
Nor do I say, on-wiki,
  • xxxx is a bad person
Both fall short of comment on content, not on the contributor. On-wiki I'm not interested in knowing whether or not Gerda Arendt, Nikkimaria, Jimbo Wales, Eric Corbett, Francis Schonken or whoever would be a "good" or a "bad" person. Such information or opinions are irrelevant for building an encyclopedia, they detract attention without serving any on-wiki purpose. I could give you on-wiki quotes "commenting on contributor and not on content" for all of these contributors (and many more). Loss of time, not interested.
Negative on-wiki behaviour, however, affects the encyclopedia in a negative sense. this is an example of negative on-wiki behaviour, unparallelled by any on-wiki negative behaviour by the attacked person. This is another example of negative on-wiki behaviour, not directed at a person this time, but promising a lot of negativity. Such negative behaviour should be kept out of any namespace of the encyclopedia, and I agree with the approach that "good content contributions" are no balance for negative behaviour: there should not be negative on-wiki behaviour, and I agree it is best to take a non-permissive approach towards it. I'd appreciate your suggestions on what to do with negative on-wiki behaviour. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:33, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
I think you need to accept that not everybody sits on marshmallow blankets, quote poetry to one another, whilst listening to a backdrop of Mozart's Piano Concerto No. 21 in C-minor. Some people just do not get on, fact. Cassiantotalk 09:56, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
(reply moved to Cassianto's talk page)
I'm no classical music buff, so I'll give you that one (although less of the sarcasm, thanks). Whilst the "comment on the content, not on the contributor" is true, the "content" is made by the "contributor" so it's kind of tough sometimes. I suggest you get used to it. Cassiantotalk 10:56, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Just don't be "no classical music buff" – in the buff.—John Cline (talk) 11:48, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
(reply moved to Cassianto's talk page)
I suggest you distance yourself from Jimbo Wales and his civility police; also, If you can't grasp irony and sarcasm and embrace them when they are used together, then I give you a few months at most. Cassiantotalk 11:29, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
(reply moved to Cassianto's talk page)

Enjoy your conversation. For me, "toxic" applied to people, whether behavior or personality, is not acceptable as a model. Every editor is a human being, - that's been my credo for a while and not going to change. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about that, moved my part of the conversation with others to their talk page.
What model would be acceptable to you? I mean, a model that acknowledges the problem, and doesn't move around it with euphemisms (not very suited to get an on-wiki discussion to the point similar to irony and sarcasm) and/or (worse) denial? --Francis Schonken (talk) 04:32, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
It's on my user page and in my edit notice, not changed much for 2 years, see also, 'tis the season --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:41, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Denial? You may wish you could replace the leader-like figure, but lacking a grasp on actual problems a replacement would hardly be more successful, would (s)he?
Again I ask you, what would, in your opinion, be the practical steps that would remedy misbehaviour like this and like this one promises?
Even if Wikipedia were a meritocracy, as you seem to prefer, you've certainly enough merits to have a strong opinion on this, so that your opinion on what problems are, and how they are solved can weigh. --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:14, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Keep it simple, take "no" for an answer (as Cullen did), talk person to person. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, "no" to your (lack of) approach, it would reduce us all to crash-test dummies when there's no brake on insulting attacks by co-editors. Of course I'm all for K.I.S.S., for dealing with the answers one gets, and talking to the person. But I see no approach to dealing with the problems raised by Jimbo at Wikimania 2014. So I hope you can take no for an answer. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:52, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
To which question? I don't remember any. I raised my problem, again, today. The biggest problem I see on Wikipedia is not one editor insulting another (that being something the two should deal with first). "Enforced civility" seems a contradiction in terms. The biggest problem I see is loss of editors ("Precious civility, needed" was mentioned, 20 May 2013). See why they are missed, and try to change conditions that lead to retirement, tiredness and banning, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:52, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I read: "Gerda Arendt (...) may participate in wider (whatever) discussions regarding (whatever) with no restriction" (Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes#Gerda Arendt restricted). I can only hope there is no grudge. --Francis Schonken (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I try to restrict myself to 2 comments, it helps ;) - No, there is no grudge. The infoboxes case was requested (without asking me, I would have voted against it) because of unexplained reverts of infoboxes. The arbs didn't look at that. (It was so much easier to look at earlier bannings.) So be it. Some Bach cantatas have no infobox because of my restriction (BWV 5 and BWV 56, for example). I have no idea what our readers think of this (kafkaesque) inconsistency per arbcom ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Translation, mine .. correct?[edit]

Die Darstellung des Kardinals im Bild entspricht der Beschreibung in einem Vertrag des Malers Pierre Spicre mit dem Stift der Kirche Notre-Dame in Beaune aus dem Jahr 1474, in dem dieser mit Entwürfen für Wandteppiche in der Kirche beauftragt wird: "es soll auch gemacht werden mein Herr der Kardinal betend, mit geschlossenen Händen, sein Kardinalshut neben ihm und sein Hündchen vor ihm, wie es ist auf dem Bild in der Kapelle St. Ligier in Beaune, das der genannte Meister gemacht hat." Offenbar diente Pierre Spicres Bild in der St. Ligier-Kapelle dem Meister von Moulins als Vorbild.[1]

The painting called presentation of the Cardinal is depicting in The image theme corresponds to the description in a contract of the painter that Pierre Spicre wrote i found the church Notre-Dame in Beaune in 1474, in which the painter is entrusted with the designs for tapestries in the Church: "it should be made my Lord the Cardinal praying with closed hands, his cardinal's hat beside him and his dog in front of him, as it is in the picture in the chapel of St. Ligier in Beaune, which has made ​​the said Master. " Apparently Pierre Spicres was the model of the image in the St. Ligier Chapel Master of Moulins

Hafspajen (talk) 13:48, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

  1. ^ Nach Albert Châtelet, Jean Prévost, Le Maître de Moulins
The presentation of the cardinal matches the description in a contract of the painter PS with the convent of the church ND in B from 1474 where he is commissioned to design for tapestries in for the church: " ... little dog ... which the named master has made." Apparently PS's picture in St.L served as a model for the Master of Moulins. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Kiko (2007)[edit]

I'm curious why this revert was done to the Tropical Storm Kiko (2007) article. It is generally accepted that the year is included in a date, the first time a date appears in a section. That is done to assist our readers. If a reader excerpts a section of the article and no year appears in the date, it is difficult (impossible?) to determine when the event occurred. Some may argue that the year is in the article title, or in the intro/lead; however, not all readers look at the intro/lead, and often read just a portion of the article. Would you please reconsider the revert. Cheers. Truthanado (talk) 00:02, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

You are right, for most articles, but here the first mentioning of the year is given in the article title. The article was made a featured article like this. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:15, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Here's an example of what I am referring to:
"On October 18, a tropical storm warning was issued along the Mexican coastline from Zihuatanejo, Guerrero to Manzanillo, Colima, and a tropical storm watch extended northward to La Fortuna, Mexico, as Kiko was forecast to make landfall in that region on October 21. Above-normal tides and dangerous waves were expected along the coast."
That is the introductory sentence in the Preparations and impact section. If that's all a person reads, how do they know what year it was? Adding the year to the date certainly assists the reader ... and isn't that our goal as an encyclopedia, to assist our readers and help them understand what they are reading? Also, are you inferring that featured articles should not be edited? Any article can always be improved upon. Cheers. Truthanado (talk) 13:30, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mostafa Salameh[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:58, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Finally:) DYK with less red tape - comments invited ;) Serten (talk) 07:43, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Ave Maria, WAB 7 (Bruckner)[edit]

Beste Gerda,

I have expanded the introduction, and added a section "Settings". Have you a better idea for a picture to be inserted in the infobox?

Beste Grüße, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:02, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Annunciation. Off to dinner, Salamanca, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:02, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. I have put the Annunciation by Rogier van der Weyden.
I will later expand the pages of the other motets (originally drafted by Nikki).
Have you enjoyed you dinner? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:58, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Very much so, overlooking the cathedral, drank too much, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Gough Whitlam at TFAR[edit]

Hi Gerda, you (and your talk page stalkers) may be interested in a thread I've started about Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests#Gough_Whitlam, where possibilities for marking the death (aged 98) of this former prime minister of Australia include re-running a TFA. I'm interested in getting lots of views so I'll be leaving this note on various pages (and apologies, TPS-ers, if your talk page is not one of them!) Thanks, BencherliteTalk 08:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner's moetes - External review[edit]

Beste Gerda,

Hans Roelofs has reviewed Motets (Bruckner). He found a few typos and had a few comments. I have implemented it in a few minutes.

He has also reviewed Locus iste (Bruckner). He found a few typos and had a few comments. For two of them I need your input:

  • Bij “framing the second and third” heb ik even moeten nadenken wat je precies bedoelde; het klopt, maar voor iemand die het motet (nog) niet zo goed kent kan dat onduidelijk zijn.
  • “Oratorio Society of New York”: de zin is onlogisch. Je bedoelt dat dit in het programmaboekje bij hun uitvoering staat; de auteur van de tekst wordt in het programmaboekje niet aangegeven. Ik zou er iets van maken in de trant van: “De auteur van het programmaboekje van de Oratorio Society of New York wijst er op dat ... etc.”

Beste Grüße, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 21:25, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

I would think the first is clear, the second was not my idea - I don't believe in program books too much - but I kept it for politeness. Feel free to change. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:13, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
The first is clear, if you realise that "the first line" is Locus iste ... is A, and "the second" inaestimabile ... and the third irreprehensibilis ... are together B. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 16:50, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
I think the sentence says that. The text of three lines is just above, I assume the general reader can count to three without adding numbers or repeating the text. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
It is also OK for me (it was a comment of Hans, not of myself). The second comment is concerning an input of Nikki. I will see how I can amend it without hurting her. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 17:18, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Your restoration of Giano's comment at User talk:Jimbo Wales[edit]

Is there any reason at all why you think this removal is not justified? I'm not going to keep attempting to remove it, but I do intend to file a complaint if you can't give me any reason why such a comment, which as anyone can see, is only being placed to mock Mr Wales and elicit some kind of reaction, which is the very definition of trolling, should be left intact. As you may or may not know, according to Giano himself, Mr Wales considers him to be a troll, so I don't think there is any reason to think Mr Wales would object to this removal in any way. Patrol forty (talk) 14:53, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Assume good faith. I didn't see mocking. I guess Mr. Wales is old enough to take care of his talk himself. Please note that I didn't revert your removal the first time, nor would I, again. I try to strictly follow 1RR. How about you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
I am assuming good faith. That's why I came here asking you to explain your action - if I didn't think there was the possibility of an innocent explanation, I wouldn't be asking. But I'm not seeing an explanation here at all. If you don't see the mocking, then I'd like to know, based on the facts at hand, whether you really believe Giano is an admirer of Mr Wales' insight and perception? Or whether you really believe he thinks Mr Wales is a modest person? Or whether Giano really appreciates and respects him? To an outside observer, the answer to those questions is obviously no - therefore the only purpose of the comments were to troll Mr Wales. Which is presumably why Mr Wales thinks Giano is a troll, and has done apparently for a very long time. I have no doubt Mr Wales is old enough to look after himself, but it obviously does not follow from that, that obvious trolling on his talk page should be tolerated, let alone restored when others try to remove it. I don't know why you not reverting more than once is relevant either - if you thought you could justify the first restoration, then why would you feel that repeating the action is not justified? Putting yourself under such a restriction would be appear to be an entirely artificial device. That said, the issue is moot now - thanks to you, the trolling has remained in place, and according to an administrator, the 'grown up' thing to do is ignore it. Which is obviously wrong, but the fact that they are an administrator and would presumably block me if I protested that obvious fallacy, is probably part of the governance failures Mr Wales is complaining about. Patrol forty (talk) 15:57, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
What qualifications do you have in mind reading Patrol forty? Eric Corbett 16:45, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
What gave you the impression I was reading anyone's mind? Patrol forty (talk) 17:27, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
What you wrote gave me that impression, what else? "... I'd like to know, based on the facts at hand, whether you really believe Giano is an admirer of Mr Wales' insight and perception? Or whether you really believe he thinks Mr Wales is a modest person? Or whether Giano really appreciates and respects him? To an outside observer, the answer to those questions is obviously no". Here you're even second-guessing Gerda's mind-reading abilities. Eric Corbett 17:33, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm not following you at all. Please be specific. Who needs to read whose mind, for Gerda to be able to answer these few simple questions? Patrol forty (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:06, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Try engaging brain. Eric Corbett 19:52, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Be careful, Eric, be very careful ;) - (This is a close paraphrase from Anna Russell, "Weiche, Wotan, weiche", which means: Be careful ... She then bears him eight daughters.") - To the forceful patrol: it took me years to learn what "troll" means. I am with Giano and other victims, did you know? You seem not to know what AGF means, please try harder. - I am still on vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:03, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
For me, AGF has always meant "switch off brain". Eric Corbett 20:17, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Ah, that newbie Patrol forty....♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:51, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


Thanks, Gerda. I've been off Wikipedia for a few months after some excruciatingly frustrating experiences with a bunch of trollish Wikipedians, including an admin who says it's OK for another editor, perhaps his buddy, to curse at me and presumably at other editors. Your kind note hat acknowledges the tens of thousands of good edits that I, as a professional journalist, have made helps restore my faith in this project, even if just a little. With thanks and regards, Tenebrae (talk) 16:43, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


Want Infobox! CaN YOU HELP? for David Friedrich ?Hafspajen (talk) 20:57, 22 October 2014 (UTC) It is for the new article from today - Cairn in Snow. Hafspajen (talk) 20:58, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Sure, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:41, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
AAh!! Thanks! How do you think it looks? Cairn in Snow. Hafspajen (talk) 11:16, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Exquisite! Removed here, then I don't have to say noitalic. Going to sing Magnificat again tomorrow! What do think of the List of stutterers? On the Main page, to the author's delight. I helped with one of the articles, and reviewed another for DYK, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the italics. Libera me Senor, libera me a tu pueblo, ... Hafspajen (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

I thought of a possibility to improve the infobox situation[edit]

musée des allumette, le Jönköping

See Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Amendment request: Infoboxes --Francis Schonken (talk) 21:50, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Francy, don't be bad now. I know about it, but if I wan't that she could tell me how, that is not forbidden... AND - more important - might help translate that German article, she is great at that, you know! Hafspajen (talk) 22:04, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Ah, wait a second, you want them to change that? Hafspajen (talk) 22:07, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
I too have thought about how we can improve an info box...[3] Cassiantotalk 22:08, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks all, but I love my restrictions, as I like Kafka ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Bilihildis[edit]

Hi Gerda, I wonder if you might have time to look over this nomination. All the sources save one are in German; we're not sure about neutrality and close paraphrasing. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:10, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Virga Jesse, Vexilla regis and Ecce sacerdos magnus[edit]

Beste Gerda,

I have updated the pages Virga Jesse (Bruckner), Vexilla regis (Bruckner) and Ecce sacerdos magnus (Bruckner). Please have a look on them.

Beste Grüße, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 12:49, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Next candidates[edit]

Beste Gerda,

The next popular motets, which I see as candidates for a Wiki-page are:

  • Libera me (II) WAB 22 (1854): about 20 recordings
  • Pange lingua (Phrygisch) WAB 22 (1868): about 30 recordings
  • Os justi (Lydisch) WAB 30 (1879): more than 100 recordings (of which only 2 with the Inveni David WAB 20)
  • Christus factus est (III) WAB 11 (1884): about 100 recordings

Your thought about it? --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 14:53, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

The following candidates (with about 10 recordings) could be:
  • O du liebes Jesu-Kind WAB 145 (1845)
  • Vier Tantum Ergo WAB 41 (1846/1888)
  • Tantum ergo D-Dur WAB 42 (1846/1888)
  • In jener letzten der Nächte WAB 17 (1848)
  • Inveni David WAB 19 (1868)
The other motets have less than 10 recordings, sometimes only one or two, even none. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:16, 24 October 2014 (UTC)