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List of Dutch Jews[edit]

Hi GidonB. Could you take a look at the talk page Talk:List of Dutch Jews. Waarom de opname van niet-joden? Thanks, Metzujan (talk) 14:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Metzujan! Thank you for drawing my attention to the new issues with VKing on this list. He has been banned from for edit warring, hate speech, copyvio violations, lying about them and pushing a fringe right-wing agenda. See [1] and [2] for more details. It is sad news that he has just started to "improve" this list. As for the inclusion and formatting question. Other formats than this one are possible but more complicated to implement. Please do not view this list as detached from similar other lists. BTW I would love to chat sometime and exchange Wikipedia experiences. Regards, gidonb (talk) 15:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
By all means... I have already noticed that we have encountered the same problems, in particular relating to Jewish topics, see here and here and the spelling of shabbat (it's one of my top priorities to tackle). For almost 3 years clearly wrong information was not corrected. But it can be even worse. Since 2005 till very recently you could find a painful wrong explanation of this word. Enough to be done, and slowly but surely the problems are being solved.

As for the above mentioned user, thank you for the relevant feedback. I wasn't aware of his background hence my polite explanation of his rather racial view, which brought me back to memories of my college friends who also had their own "particular" view on the holocaust, and jews. Never a dull moment. Metzujan (talk) 15:39, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

The Dutch Wikipedia is a mess. I am so glad I am here. Used to get lots of requests to return or contribute, as many of the better editors have left. I think they should not worry about this or that editor but improve the way people interact and whether fringe or moderate writers get the upper hand. One of the biggest pains for Judaism-related content on is a person who keeps adding evangelical, messianic, self-invented, and misunderstood content to Jewish articles. You gave an example that I did detect. They forgive him, as he does trivial editing work around the clock. Jewish content is thus sacrificed for the general good. But the "general" was not so good either. There were similar issues in many content areas, people who take ownership over articles, self-proclaimed experts, endless warring, discussions that never get to the point, random bans, bad interpersonal relations, discrimination, racism, etc. Sometimes, like in the case you raise above, there is even overflow to You know, I have not lived much in the Netherlands, but sometimes I get the feeling that this reflects society in the Netherlands. I hope it isn't true., with some occasional stress in the highly contentious subject matter areas that I edit here, is really an antithesis to the Dutch Wikipedia. gidonb (talk) 13:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm, am I a reincarnation of Gidonb? Here and here your name is recently mentioned. I think I am fighting now a lost battle, but it tells a lot that after you left the Dutch Wikipedia a couple of years ago, your spirit is still alive!! :-) I agree with your analysis above. Although for almost over a year, he didn't change the article: just recently adding his pov, which prompted me to correct it and start a discussion. So my opinion you never know what impact your edits can have :-)
Hmmm, on a more positive note then. I think I am following again in your footsteps since I have changed nl:Portaal:Jodendom portal after years of neglect. Unfortunately zero feedback, I personally think it's an improvement, but since it was almost unchanged since you started it, I thought you might appreciate it that I actually did something with the portal.
I also started yiddish acticles like nl:Hoteldebotel, nl:Koefnoen (uitdrukking), nl:Tacheles, nl:Gannef and I have created and am working on nl:Categorie:Jiddisch, by adding new articles and I am planning on starting a portal as well. As for other jewish topics, I find it hard that like nl:Sjabbatkaarsen, nl:Jitschak Abarbanel, nl:Israël in de Davis Cup or nl:Jiddisch van A tot Z and many others there is no input from others whatsoever. Maybe that's the key difference with the English Wikipedia, there are many more people here that are contributing on these topics. I hope to become more active here as well, probabely in a month orso. Kol tuv! Metzujan (talk) 11:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


Panoramic view over the western side of Paris, at dusk, from the top of the Tour Montparnasse.

Hello! Why did you remove the change I made on the page "List of metropolitan areas by population"? The metropolitan area of Paris (see the article about Paris on Wikipedia) actually has 12,672,000 (2007 data) habitants. So, Paris should be included in the list of metropolitan areas by population! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello, please see the answer by Polaron in the edit history of the article. gidonb (talk) 02:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Catherine II of Russia[edit]

I am a sporadic copy editor and still learning my way around. Ariel*Gold is my mentor, and I would like to be able to call on someone like you as the need arises. For example: I question the neutrality and accuracy of the Catherine the Great article, but don't know how to 'tag' it. Thank you, Shir-El too 23:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Shir-El. You may ask me questions. If your concerns with the article are this serious, adding the {{npov}} template is the most straightforward solution. Be sure to write in some detail on the talk page why you believe that the article is biased and inaccurate. Do consider the following alternatives, however. Rewriting and improving the sections you are unhappy with, while using the references on which you base your knowledge, is a more constructive approach to the problems that you encountered. Another approach is adding {{refimprove}} on top and using templates such as {{fact}} and {{who}} in the text, while deleting some real nonsense. This approach directs the reader and other editors directly to the sections that need improvement and is attractive, for example, for articles of mixed qualities. You can also use tags now and improve later. It really depends on your judgement. Regards, gidonb (talk) 01:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! I hope to do all of the above at a later date. My view of Catherine is largely predicated on Henry Troyat's biography of her, which means that I may also be biased. However some facts do stand out: that she founded the first vocational schools for orphans, the first institute of higher education for daughters of the aristocracy, and circumvented controversy, superstition and political intrigue to introduced mandatory smallpox vaccination into Russia by - having herself inoculated first! Thank you again, and have a good one! Shir-El too 19:37, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome and good luck! gidonb (talk) 20:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

KAM Isaiah Israel[edit]

KAM Isaiah Israel and a Barack Obama security detail in September 2008


Sorry for not responding to your request on my talk page; I have been away from my PC for the past month, so was unable to deal with anything. I'm glad it has been resolved for you, I'm just sorry that I wasn't able to help you out. Stephen! Coming... 09:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello Stephen, no problem! Hope you had a good wiki-vacation! Thanks for getting back to me. Working on the synagogues of Illinois is a longterm project I undertake, so no worries! Best regards, gidonb (talk) 10:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


Cannot get the [7] reference/link right on Ladyhawke. I'm missing something, but what? Thank you, Shir-El too 23:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

You were missing a title. I also simplified the URL. Welcome, gidonb (talk) 09:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Dutch transliteration into Hebrew at[edit]

Hello Gidon,

Can you hop over here and answer my transliteration questions?

Many Thanks, Kulystab (talk) 11:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. gidonb (talk) 12:05, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Rafael Evers at[edit]

Shalom Gidon! What about the other way around? Could you check this article on its spelling and content. I must note that my hebrew writing skills are very poor and that I could use your help. :-) Thanks in advance! Metzujan (talk) 09:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Canadian Jews[edit]

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The article Canadian Jews has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This is nothing more than a dictionary definition.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the Proposed Deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The Speedy Deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and Articles for Deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. -shirulashem(talk) 03:18, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Comment. I created this article as a redirect to eliminate red links. Later an article was created which lacked substance. The prodding prompted the restoring of my redirect. gidonb (talk) 01:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Classical music[edit]

I was drawn into a hot debate by a message which may or may not be "canvassing." I decided to take part after reading the discussion and based on my own experience, not because I 'supported' anyone. Now one of the participants who's point of view was rejected has left me this message:

"If you joined as the result of canvassing you should withdraw, as your presence will unfortunately render the discussion invalid."

I feel strongly that this person is attempting to use the rules to manipulate the situation, but in all fairness I would like a second opinion from someone more knowledgable, outside the debate. Please let me know what you think, or whether you know someone I could refer this question to. {I would ask my mentor, but she is absent.} Thanking you in advance, Shir-El too 00:48, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Shir-El, can you point me the page where the discussion was held? Best, gidonb (talk) 01:07, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
It was mostly held here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music and on our various talk pages, but I am happy to say it has since been resloved. I would appreciate your opinion anyway - as opposed to any form of action - so I'll know better next time. Thank you! Shir-El too 07:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
It's difficult to form an opinion right now and not very necessary if the differences were resolved. The title you gave to this discussion however was I need advise. I can give you some advise. As an editor of your own talk page, you can considerably improve the tone and increase the topical focus of the exchange by replacing user-chosen headers into the names of the Wikipedia pages which are the basis for the discussion. It also makes discussions easier to follow for an occasional outsider who takes interest. gidonb (talk) 13:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Givat HaMivtar[edit]

תרגמתי סיכום של הערך העברי

he:גבעת המבתר

ולא כולם התלהבו מהתוצאה. האם תוכל לחוות דעתך? תודה.

Eddau (talk) 16:51, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Eddau, I have improved the article. I would appreciate if you take time to look at the referencing and improve your references next time you write an article. gidonb (talk) 02:10, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Palestinian saints[edit]

Category talk:Palestinian Roman Catholic saintsEddau (talk) 01:45, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I have seen it. gidonb (talk) 02:11, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Twin towns or Sister cities?[edit]

Hi Gidonb, I notice you have recently been working on Twin town/Sister city lists. I though you might be interested that there is a new discussion open on proposed name modification (Twin towns, Sister cities or both?) on this talk page. Your comments would be much appreciated. Thank you -- Marek.69 talk 07:25, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Same-sex marriage under United States tribal jurisdictions[edit]

You should nominate Same-sex marriage among Native Americans in the United States at Template talk:Did you know so it can appear on the main page. If you want I can do it for you. Hekerui (talk) 17:12, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for you kind suggestion and offer. I have never nominated an article that I started for anything but (once) deletion so I would follow your nomination with interest! Best regards, gidonb (talk) 18:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
So are you doing it or should I? If you've never done it's time to try really. Hekerui (talk) 19:45, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you again for your suggestions! I do not wish to ask for any such things and, much more than that, do not wish to tell or even imply what you should do. I am happy to create an encyclopedia with you and all my other colleagues here! gidonb (talk) 16:38, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
I have no clue what you mean but it's the last day and I wrote up something simple. Hekerui (talk) 23:49, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I meant to say that the question you asked me was a difficult one. I do not want to submit myself or my articles for anything (without committing for the future), just to assist Wikipedia whenever I can. I do this since 2003. By the condition in your question I could not say that either, as I would imply that you should submit the article. I make it a habit not to command people around, if I can help it. You submitted anyway and that's fine. As long as this is what you really want. gidonb (talk) 02:39, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

You can't possibly boss me around when I'm giving you a multiple choice and you pick, right? :-) Best Hekerui (talk) 11:28, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
As you put it, by not picking the first option I was telling you what you should do. It's not my cup of tea. gidonb (talk) 00:04, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
So polite! You need to spend some time in Berlin to get rid of that ;-) Okay, I won't bother you anymore. Hekerui (talk) 08:13, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
No problem. gidonb (talk) 12:20, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Updated DYK query On January 9, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Same-sex marriage under United States tribal jurisdictions, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 12:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the notice! gidonb (talk)

Service awards proposal[edit]

Master Editor Hello, Gidonb! I noticed you display a service award, and would like to invite you to join the discussion over a proposed revamping of the awards.

If you have any opinions on the proposal, please participate in the discussion. Thanks! — the Man in Question (in question) 00:44, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


No worries, I caught on. Thanks for fixing the article, I went ahead a re-deleted the images. Rafajs77 (talk) 00:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Great job, thank you! gidonb (talk) 12:47, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Oscar van Dillen[edit]

I am not quite sure what I did so wrong over at the AfD. You said: "Please be careful, especially with PRODing, but even with AFDing." If you mean be careful when placing the prod, I missed the previous AfD through an oversight: I removed the prod a few minutes later and sent the article to AfD for a second time. Yes indeed I should have spotted the prod in the history... However, I honestly thought the guy was not notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia, given the complete lack of sources and the apparent non-usefulness of those Oscar had provided in the other AfD; hence the request for deletion. Once the AfD was underway, I felt I had better try to keep it on track: the previous AfD went off at a tangent at times and some editors even came close to downright vilifying the poor fellow. During the second AfD process, editors slowly but surely started to make sense of all the sources and find a few more here and there. Oscar then contacted me by email to declare his non-involvement in this AfD but also to help out with better sourcing and explain some of the more obscure sources he had found. I then made sure every editor involved in the previous AfD and all the major contributors to the article were aware of the 2nd nom. During all this, four editors, including my self, added the sources we had found and verified (or had been provided with by Oscar) to the article. When you found it, the article was fully sourced and simply required someone who could speak Dutch to verify the Dutch sources. One editor in the discussion seemed to claim that none of them were any good. I asked for confirmation of this but never got it. I was going to withdraw anyway just as you made your speedy request since the article was no longer unsourced and unviable and clearly profiled a notable person. I might add that I am only a year and a half old here on wiki, so I am still learning, really. Oscar thanked me for the thoughful way I was handling everything, so he, for one, doesn't think I did anything wrong. And he is chairman of the Dutch Wikimedia Foundation! On the other hand, if I have indeed done anything wrong that he hasn't seen, I would like to understand what it is exactly so I can learn from it. I do feel we need to be careful with articles about our own people, though: they really should all be up to the minimum standards expected by the policies. This article blatantly was not until the four—now five—of us started to add the actual sources that should have be added three months ago. Or rather should have been added when the article was created... I am not a "deletionist", BTW, far from it. This article came up during a drive to source 200+ unfer'ed BLPs over at WP:CTM and WP:composers. Almost all were sourced. Van Dillen was far harder than any of these—and some of those took hours to sort out. Hence, van Dillen ended up on the scrap heap, so to speak, after we had finished. Anyway, I hope that explains my methods for you and clears things up a little. I look forward to any thoughts you might have. Regards --Jubilee♫clipman 02:19, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

(I linked the wrong wikiproject, BTW. WP:CMWP:CTM --Jubilee♫clipman 00:45, 15 February 2010 (UTC))

Don't worry about it. gidonb (talk) 00:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
OK. I've added a few more comments over at the AfD but I think we should both stand back now and let the closing admin get on with reviewing and archiving. You are right I have a lot to learn but for the life of me, I really and honestly could not source this article! The refined searches are useful and I should have been more thorough checking them. But Dutch...? I would not know where to start! Google and Bablefish both garble the translations horribly: most often they are impossible to interpret. Anyway, I really did go as far as I possibly could to source this article from RSs before the PROD was placed and again (quickly, from the sources Oscar provided) before the subsequent AfD was requested. (I forgot to check for previous AfDs before PRODing, of course, this is true—I did check for PRODs though. No idea how I missed the AfD but ho-hum.) We are probably better discussing the various failures here, anyway, rather than in a withdrawn AfD debate. Your vast experience here will certainly help me focus my future searches, if you are willing to give some basic (and not so basic) pointers. Thanks, --Jubilee♫clipman 03:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Musical theatre[edit]

Thanks for your contributions to the article. I have put back in the list of foreign countries with strong musicals scenes, because the articled was accused, at one point, of focusing only on the U.S. and UK. I believe the statement is true, but I haven't seen any sources in English that discuss the international musicals scene. I hope someone from those countries will eventually come by to add references. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:24, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:British singers by gender[edit]

I have nominated Category:British singers by gender (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) for merging into [[:Category:]] ([[[:Template:Fullurl::Category:]] edit]|[[Category talk:|talk]]|[[[:Template:Fullurl::Category:]] history]|links|[[[:Template:Fullurl::Category:]] watch]|logs). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 22:29, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Italian singers by gender[edit]

I have nominated Category:Italian singers by gender (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) for renaming to [[:Category:]] ([[[:Template:Fullurl::Category:]] edit]|[[Category talk:|talk]]|[[[:Template:Fullurl::Category:]] history]|links|[[[:Template:Fullurl::Category:]] watch]|logs). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 22:30, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Lists of state leaders[edit]

Dear Gidonb! I saw you changed the List of state leaders in 2007 page, and wrote: "these countries should all be returned in alphabetical order into their continent" and then you did the opposite by creating a sub-region within Asia. So the Asian countries are now not in alphabetical order. And what sense does it make to rename Middle East into Southwest Asia? The only difference is that you omit Egypt. So if you want simple alphabetical lists, why Southwest Asia? ZBukov (talk) 01:49, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

ZBukov, it is not the opposite but sometimes a two-step process of problem resolving and gradual improvement. If in two steps they work as follows: First the majority of these countries are returned to be located under their continent (Asia) and Egypt at its correct location in Africa, then the split in Asia is dissolved. The Middle East is an intercontinental region. It was included as a fictitious continent that corrupts both Africa and Asia. Regards, gidonb (talk) 03:32, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Gidonb, you didn't mention the second step of your two-step improvement! And I'm still curious, if you want to abolish the Middle East unit as it's not a continent (which I understand and support) than what sense does it make to create a sub-region under Asia? Regards, ZBukov (talk) 20:53, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Right, the second step would be dissolving the sub-region into the continent. I already did that for some of the years. gidonb (talk) 23:31, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
That's great! Thank you for your help in improving these articles! :) Rgds, ZBukov (talk) 10:03, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
By the way, wouldn't it save you some work if you effected the merger in one step instead of first creating Southwest Asia than dissolving it a day or two later? As I saw you created the Southwest region on the 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 pages yesterday and today. ZBukov (talk) 10:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I see that you start again creating a fictitious Southwest Asia region. I still se no reason to doing it in two steps. I agree with abolishing the Middle East as it's not a continent, but the last time when you started doing this, you left several Southwest Asia subregions lying around in several articles and I had to clean it up. Please do it in one step and put those countries to where they belong. There is no need for "Southwest Asia" - it's even less relevant than Middle East. ZBukov (talk) 19:34, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
You seem to pick the articles you correct at random. Wouldn't it make more sense if you went through them in order to avoid missing one? ZBukov (talk) 19:34, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Prod: Meshulam Gross[edit]

Hi Gidon: Can you help the Meshulam Gross article? You had once contributed to it. User:Debresser wants to get rid of it. What to make of it? IZAK (talk) 06:34, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

TU Delft Article[edit]

Dear gidonb - It is not true that I have reverted all information back, please compare the last version of the article with the one I created couple of days ago. I have responded to all your comments writing down the summary. You disagreed on adding info about EU - I have given my explanation; You wanted to have a link to "numerous research institutes" - it is there; I have removed excessive information about TU Delft graduates, since you are right that it looked too much as a PR-piece, but I left information about Nobel laureates as such information is available on MIT or UCLA articles for example; finally information on the ranking position of TU Delft was there before I even started to edit the article and the only thing I did is to add more links supporting that statement. The ranking information is available on many university articles I know, look for example at MIT, UCLA, RWTH, EPFL, University College London, etc. In conclusion - I really do not understand your decisions. All the statements in the article on TU Delft are supported by links or other wikis, so I am not creating my own reality. -- Przemysław Pawełczak —Preceding unsigned comment added by Przemyslaw Pawelczak (talkcontribs) 14:42, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Barry Chamish[edit]

Just a reminder but template:cite web requires the title of the webpage as well as the url. Otherwise, you get nothing but errors. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:15, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Ricky81682, thank you for continuing this important job, that I had not completed! gidonb (talk) 18:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Hebrew songs[edit]

[[Image:Info non-talk.png|left|36px|]]Category:Hebrew songs, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 15:32, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I always support standardization and other improvements in categorization. gidonb (talk) 18:00, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Kim Jong-un[edit]

Hi. I see you are a serious editor here. Hope you don't mind my keeping the birth date of Kim Jong-un as 83 or early 84, which is what the BBC profile[3] gives, and supported by a cited Chosun article[4], which describes how the DPRK is manipulating the dates. Which was the BBC source you mentioned? The profile is dated only a week ago and if you have good references then can we discuss on the article talk page? cheers Earthlyreason (talk) 17:11, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I could not find it back. Listened already to too many broadcasts on Kim Jung-un in the last hour. Hope it will resurface. In the meantime, the vague date is the correct date as far as I am concerned. gidonb (talk) 18:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)


Hi Gidon: Good to see that you are still active on WP. Best wishes and enjoy! IZAK (talk) 16:33, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Still doing my daily edits. Nothing exciting as I'm busy with other stuff. The best also to you! gidonb (talk) 17:59, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Bavel, Netherlands[edit]

In the header for the entry "Bavel, Netherlands", the final "l" in the name "Bavel" is missing. Please correct.

Ton Janssens (talk) 21:52, 6 January 2011 (UTC) Ton Janssens.

Ton, thank you for noticing my typo!!! I have moved the page and proposed the redirect for speedy deleting. gidonb (talk) 22:02, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Added a few things about the early history of Bavel. Ton Janssens (talk) 21:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC) Ton Janssens.


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Thank you for the notice! gidonb (talk) 19:01, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


Please don't revert me again like you did in efteling, if you will, the category will become "red" again. 20:59, 10 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ingadres (talkcontribs)

Actually, I never reverted you, but fixed a problem in the article. You correctly mention that there was a problem with the categories. Someone had used the wrong fields in the infobox and this automatically created the wrong category. I also fixed that problem so the article should be in good shape now! gidonb (talk) 05:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Service award level[edit]

Herostratus (talk) 06:42, 24 March 2011 (UTC)


Hello. Mexico is a North American country, not a Central American country. All reliable sources define Central America as 7 nations: Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala and Belize. On the other hand there is a smaller region/group also called North America which doesn't mean the whole N. American continent. This is the mainstream view.

Finally, UN "definitions" are not valid in terms that they were made specifically for statistic presentations and the UN clearly states that (see United Nations Geoscheme). It is very weird to me that you want to categorize Mexico as a CA country... AlexCovarrubias ( Talk? ) 23:58, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but your edits come across as rude and your above message as confused. Lets start with the edits. I explained all my edits in the edit summary and all of them were improvements over the existing situation. You reverted all of them, with the reverting marked as minor edits (!!!), while adding such rude comments as "RV nonsense". All this is simply not done among colleagues who build an encyclopedia together. I will next elude to your above comments. gidonb (talk) 05:05, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Ok first I need to apologize for the use of the word "nonsense". It literally translates to Spanish as "without sense, logic" and it doesn't have an offensive meaning. I just researched a little about that expression and now I think I understand why it was rude, so once again I apologize. Thanks for reading my messages. Sincerely AlexCovarrubias ( Talk? ) 05:14, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Joseph Serchuk[edit]

I'd like if you can translate יוסף סרצ'וק (Joseph Serchuk) from hebrew wiki to english. My english is not so good for write in encyclopedia.

Thank you. Yottam (talk) 10:23, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

National Heritage Museum[edit]

Move done. Please feel free to let me know if you need any other assistance. Happy editing, SpencerT♦C 19:43, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

There's a requested moved about the naming on Talk:Hanze University of Applied Sciences, Groningen; I would prefer to let that run its course for a week and then move, instead of moving right now. (Consensus, though short, hints toward support of the move). I'm not exactly sure I understood your second request: what do you mean by "properly blocked"? Christian University of Applied Sciences Ede exists, but I think it's an acceptable redirect and does not need to be deleted. SpencerT♦C 19:36, 12 August 2011 (UTC)



I don't see the point in removing the original Dutch names, my text seems much more informative to me. Also, neither Dutch nor English are my native languages but I am not sure « agency » is a proper translation for « korps ». In any case, since there is an article with the title Korps landelijke politiediensten, the link shouldn't be broken.

Cheers, GL (talk) 11:34, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for Sungji_Hong expansion![edit]

Thanks for expanding the Sungji_Hong page that I started in 2008! I haven't logged on for a long time. Perhaps this will inspire my efforts a bit. Thanks again, Hilbertastronaut (talk) 18:53, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Jan Mulder (musician)[edit]

Dear Gidonb,

I noticed that you improved and need some information on the pianist Jan Mulder article. I started that page and think that I can fill in the information you are missing! In order:

  • Birth year citation needed: All that info can be found in the booklets of his CDs. (He was born in 1963)
  • Grand Piano citation needed: This can be found on the biography page on his website (, "Jan Mulder’s musical instrument inventory includes the largest and most exclusive concert grand piano in the world; a hand-built Italian Fazioli 308".

I believe that the easiest would be if you would restore the page to the version of March 28, and add the citations, references and link more pages to it.

If it helps, I will do my best to link the most relevant articles to it. That way we can resolve the Orphan tag issue.
Please let me know!

Millermusicusa (talk) 02:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello Miller Music!

Thank you for the additional information. I have deleted the information that you self-sourced and incorporated the rest.

I strongly advise against rolling the article back for the following three reasons: [1] My edits are substantial improvements to the article and include additional information and references. It would be unjustifiable to undo these. [2] The article was basically a promotional text written for a promotional website. I have changed it into an encyclopedia article. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. [3] There were well-established complaints on your talk page about the article being identical to your website. My edits have set these two apart, each text serving an entirely different purpose.

Instead of looking back, I suggest looking ahead. For example:

  • The publication years of the albums would be a welcome addition!
  • Can you add references to some of the statements in the main biography paragraph?
  • Was the symphony orchestra in London known under a name or was it an ad-hoc ensemble?
  • In the blanked section you state that Jan Mulder received one international award. What is the name of the award?

gidonb (talk) 01:39, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Gidonb,

I added references to the article and some other important information but now you marked everything for 'speedy deletion'. I do not understand why. I addressed all your questions: The years of the albums aren't published as far as I know. (I'm sure I can find out). I referenced the biography from two sites. The symphony orchestra's are ad-hoc I believe. The International Award is not held by Jan Mulder. Could you please undo all the tags that were added?

Thanks, Ed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Millermusicusa (talkcontribs) 21:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Miller Music, the article is not tagged for speedy deletion. The rest of the answer to your questions is in pillar 1 and 2 of the 5 pillars. I am quoting below. I do want to help you make this into a good article and appreciate your continued work. Regards, gidonb (talk) 00:00, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

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Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view. We strive for articles that document and explain the major points of view in a balanced impartial manner. We try to avoid advocacy and we characterize information and issues rather than debate them. In some areas there may be just one well-recognized point of view; in other areas we describe multiple points of view, presenting each accurately and in context, and not presenting any point of view as "the truth" or "the best view". All articles must strive for verifiable accuracy: unreferenced material may be removed, so please provide references. Editors' personal experiences, interpretations, or opinions do not belong here. That means citing verifiable, authoritative sources, especially on controversial topics and when the subject is a living person.

New Page Patrol survey[edit]


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Category discussions[edit]

Hi Gidonb, sorry I have to reply here as the discussion of Category:Architects who died in Nazi concentration camps has been closed. I appreciate your view that a comprehensive debate on inclusion criteria for such subcategories would be beneficial. But have a look at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 October 3#Category:Suicides by occupation how unmanageable a broad discussion of all professions at the same time can be. --Elekhh (talk) 04:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually you don't have to respond here but what makes you think this particular discussion is messy? gidonb (talk) 12:00, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Clog (shoe)[edit]

Hello Gidonb, Thanks. It is indeed better to leave it out. The text became too complicated to read for fun. Many tourists think the clogs they see in Amsterdam are only tourist made clogs. The shortened text should give enough guidance. Kind regards, Berkh (talk) 19:35, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Berkh, thank you for the feedback. I'm glad you liked my edits! I recently discovered that my childhood "klompenmaker" now makes them at a petting zoo. Oh well... gidonb (talk) 19:58, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Hahaha. Well, it is a good place for clogs ... I am surprised that the Wikipedia page about footwear used for centuries in the whole of Europe is only in its infancy (too). I think the text about Dutch clogs is enough informative and of good length. But something like that should be there of other countries too. Even when you look at interwiki´s I am surpised there is often "nothing" there. Well, clogs are apparently not something people want to be reminded of ... Kind regards, Berkh (talk) 20:14, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

De Leuf and false accusations[edit]

I do not like it to be accused falsely about misusing the rollback function as you did. I just used the "undo"-button that everyone can use. If you do not see the difference, you better take a break... Night of the Big Wind talk 21:47, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


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Dutch source[edit]

Hi Gidonb. There's an issue relating to a Dutch source that I think would benefit from your wisdom. Would you be able to look at User talk:Honorsteem#February 2012? Jayjg (talk) 19:47, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Jayjg (talk) 22:43, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Video games set in The Netherlands[edit]

I had to cancel your request to rename this category. Categories can only be renamed through the Wikipedia:Categories for discussion process. Favonian (talk) 00:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I speedied it and its gone :-) gidonb (talk) 22:22, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Israeli electricians[edit]

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Chinpa Tenpel[edit]

Thank you for the message, but I'd like to ask that you leave fewer notifications of this sort; it's generally considered good form only to notify people who contributed substantially to the article, rather than everyone who made edits, even as small as removing a deleted image. Nyttend (talk) 02:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the comment. I added the Chinpa Tenpel page to some categories as it had been previously uncategorised, but have no opinion on the page per se. Mr Sheep Measham (talk) 17:24, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Measham, you are most welcome! Thank you for the positive response!!! gidonb (talk) 01:20, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Category:Boston State College alumni[edit]

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Invitation to workshops on Wikipedia editing[edit]

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Asian Holocaust[edit]

I hope that you will equally put your attention to the Asian Holocaust ??

We think we have suffered just as much as the Jews did during the WWII , however we never get mention at all by the media?!

And what about the Palestinian Holocaust is it not terrible the way the Israelis treat the Palestinians ?? We have seen with our own eyes in Bethlehem how they were treated - should you not write about that ??

Glemmens1940 (talk) 08:25, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Madelon Szekely-Lulofs[edit]

Thank you for your kind compliment regarding my new page about Madelon Szekely-Lulofs. I just discovered that her second husband, Laszlo Szekely was jewish !

Sincere regards,

Glemmens1940 (talk) 15:34, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks for your great help !

Glemmens1940 (talk) 20:50, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

You're most welcome! The article needs some referencing. gidonb (talk) 11:08, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello Gideonb,

I wonder if you could assist how I could get rid of the following : Madelon Szekely-Lulofs From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Question book-new.svg This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (December 2012)

With many thanks, Glemmens1940 (talk) 18:25, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

A way forward with Prisoner X[edit]

After having had a break from the article as well as the naming discussion/RFC, I have changed my position to support moving away from "Prisoner X", but still oppose "Ben Zygier" in favour of "Ben Zygier affair", "Death of Ben Zygier", or similar. A number of other people have also commented that titles such as these are more appropriate than "Ben Zygier". In the interest of moving forward with this, rather than waiting for an uninvolved admin or other experienced editor to come along, I propose:

  1. Closing the RFC as a WP:SNOW/WP:IAR close stating "The consensus is this article should not be located at Prisoner X. Several alternate titles have been proposed during this RFC that warrent further consideration. Therefore, this article should be moved to Ben Zygier, with that title either confirmed or modified subject to further discussion"
  2. Closing the RFC jointly, ie one of use closes it, and then the other one also signs it (or a link is left pointing here).
  3. Turn Prisoner X into a disambiguation page, (and update links from other articles if necessary)

What do you think? - Evad37 (talk) 15:45, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Strike that, I don't know what I was thinking. There is no WP:DEADLINE, and therefore no good reason to use WP:IAR to circumvent the normal process of an uninvolved person closing. - Evad37 (talk) 16:43, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Nijmegen Devils[edit]

Hi GidonB -- to answer your question, Nijmegen Devils are a club that once operated a professional team in the Eredivisie, but the professional team was disbanded in 2011. The club still operates an amateur team in the Eerste Divisie. I hope that helps! Galteglise (talk) 16:36, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Adrianus Johannes Lemmens[edit]

Dear GideonB, Would you mind having a look at the page - Adrianus Johannes Lemmens- as there are a couple of comments made which are slightly disturbing to me as I am one of A.J. Lemmens surviving sons. With many thanks Glemmens1940 (talk) 14:29, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

RFC at List of Israeli cities[edit]

There's a RFC at to talk:List of Israeli cities#RfC: Are Israeli settlements Israeli cities? about weather the articles inclusion of Israeli settlements (with city status) as "Israeli cities" in this context original research, or otherwise problematic. I'm telling you this because you made a related post on the talk page. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 20:36, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of A Turning Point in National History for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article A Turning Point in National History is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Turning Point in National History until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

Thank you for notifying me. I definitely had an opinion on this one! gidonb (talk) 11:48, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

About Paradesi Synagogue[edit]

Hi. Please refer to your recent edit to above article, namely, (Paradesi Synagogue). I would request your kind attention to the comments I made on the talk page of this article and request you to take a view. Thanks. And, the link to the comments: --Bhadani (talk) 02:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

RFC Levi Leipheimer images - 2013 rationalization possible or necessary?[edit]

Hi - you historically were a major contributor to the article Levi Leipheimer. I am not sure what is your current degree of interest in the subject, but if any, would you please check the article talk page and provide feedback on the possibility or even necessity (if any) of rationalizing image selection and layout for the article? It would be most appreciated. Thanks. Azx2 16:09, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure how to react. Will leave this to others. Thank you for the historic acknowledgement! ;-) gidonb (talk) 11:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)


I have checked the facts, to summarize: the article is called Netherlands and the country "The Netherlands" or "the Netherlands". --Egel Reaction? 12:59, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia has conventions and we work by these conventions. You can discuss everything but the discussion ought to be held at the appropriate talk pages. In the case of the Netherlands, this is Talk:Netherlands. gidonb (talk) 13:14, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Talk:Netherlands#Place_name.2C_the_Netherlands_or_Place_name.2C_Netherlands--Egel Reaction? 18:05, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Category:Northern American countries[edit]

Category:Northern American countries, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 00:34, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Music Barnstar[edit]

Thanks for the token of appreciation.--Ravahe (talk) 09:26, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Keep up the good work! gidonb (talk) 22:47, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Good to see you active on WP...[edit]

Hi Gidon, and please stay in touch! All the best, IZAK (talk) 08:04, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Izak! I appreciate this. Maybe we can still meet in New York or Chicago one day! gidonb (talk) 11:42, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Q-go[edit]

Hi. In performing the merge of Q-go into RightNow Technologies, did you notice the post-AfD discussion at Talk:Q-go#Notability? Thanks. -- Trevj (talk · contribs) 11:54, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I had missed that one. Feel free to restore the article if you deem appropriate. We have boiled it down to one paragraph in the other article, which would in any case remain relevant. If you are going to use the references, please consider adding them also to this paragraph. gidonb (talk) 12:35, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
That's OK. I'd meant to take it to WP:DRV sooner but for a number of reasons didn't do so, and you got to the merge before I got there! Cheers. -- Trevj (talk · contribs) 17:50, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm happy that you care about these articles! gidonb (talk) 22:39, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Koninklijke Nederlandsche Zeil- & Roeivereeniging[edit]

Hi, What is the reason to trim the information down. I based the setup to that of the sister club New York Yacht Club?NED33 (talk) 12:19, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

These were copyedits. I had to change some text in order for it to be consistent with the main text, internally consistent, and not to appear cluttered. After your question I did even more editing and research and, judging by your positive response, I believe you were happy with the results. I appreciate the work you do for Wikipedia, had already noticed it, and had already rewarded it with a barnstar. Another approach, next to leaving messages, is to assume good faith, try to understand the reasoning behind the edits, and continue to improve the article. Best, gidonb (talk) 22:37, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
No problem, There were two editors after the creation of the article. It was some confusing for me who did whit and why. I't all clear now. Thanks,NED33 (talk) 22:52, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for a very special editor[edit]

Editors Barnstar Hires.png The Editor's Barnstar
for your help breaking a new user into Wikipedia Katrinpark (talk) 16:06, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Katrinpark! gidonb (talk) 16:15, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Template: Textile designers[edit]

Hi - I am sure you had very good reasons for your edits to Template:Textile designers but I'm afraid I couldn't understand why, and have reverted the edits. The date ranges, although seemingly random and arbitrary (mid-20th century would mean 1925-1975 to me, but focusing on 1930-1969), at least seem to have some rationale, but the addition of Naoki Sakai, who appears never to have designed textiles, was a strange one that, with all respect, made all your edits appear suspicious. I see that you're a long standing Wikipedian so I'm sure there are good reasons here and would like to know them. Mabalu (talk) 22:07, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

SORRY, just realised Naoki Sakai was already on the list, but moved by you. Please disregard that bit. I would like to know more about the dating reasoning though - personaly, I prefer the fluidity/open ended nature of "mid" to defining it by specific years. Now to see just who else shouldn't be on that template. Mabalu (talk) 22:13, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
I have no problem with your edits although checking yourself first is always better than apologizing later. Years were by equal split and thus do not need huge mathematical skills, but also not strictly needed. I added only in open lines for illustration, you prefer without, all approaches can be justified. gidonb (talk) 23:47, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

List of opera houses[edit]

Hi - Thanks again for your nice Barnstar. I'm writing re: the List of opera houses article on which you've done some great work! As I took a look today, those interminable lists of names upon names in one long line bothers me and so I tried, with the Italian section: to find a way of making it look a bit better.

Therefore, what do you think about this as an example, where there are lots and lots of opera houses? All the best, Viva-Verdi (talk) 17:05, 28 April 2014 (UTC), a Brit in Santa Fe, New Mexico

PS: a bit later in the morning and I've got somewhat carried away when I decided to see how the pix would work alongside these cols. So far, Asia looks fine. Sometimes pix can only be aligned with a single entry where no cols disturb placement. so far, so good. Shall not go any further than Europe though till I get your thoughts.... Viva-Verdi (talk) 18:13, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
A bit later.... Well, I got carried away today wanting to see how it would all work out with the photos and all....!! Overall, the photos match up pretty well, though I did have to substitute some vertical ones for horizontals (e.g Royal Opera House, Covent Garden; Liceu in Barcelona). Viva-Verdi (talk) 20:04, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the compliment! I only reviewed the geographical organization. Maybe moved a picture or two to get everything in line after making some changes. Still it's nice when your work gets appreciated. You, on the other hand, really did a lot of work on this list! It looks extremely invested!!! Your Barnstar is now even better earned! ;-) Best, gidonb (talk) 21:24, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


To those in Canada, the U.S. and Mexico, anything below Mexico is Central America. That's why in CONCACAF they distinguish between them. FIFA recognizes them as distinct regions as well. This is a FIFA tournament. Take it up on the talk pages for the articles or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football‎‎. Thanks. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:20, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

It is a FIFA tournament but also a Wikipedia article. Therefor we should follow the Wikipedia rules. You took ownership of the article and kept reverting me. That is most unfortunate. Edit warring is not my style, so I let it be. gidonb (talk) 11:40, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Fall Braun[edit]

Thanks for the article about Fall Braun - very interesting!

I just thought I'd drop a note about the linking of countries. For some time there has been a general consensus, although not clearly explained in the WP:Overlinking text that common words, country names, and similar oft-used words shouldn't be wikilinked. It may be in this case that it's good to keep the links. I thought I'd send a note in the off-chance you didn't know about that.--CaroleHenson (talk) 11:25, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

No problem. I fixed previous linking. Even had a bracket bot comment here. gidonb (talk) 11:27, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Miss Multiverse[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Miss Multiverse is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Multiverse (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Mz7 (talk) 15:42, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Greetings, would you kindly take a look and see why is it that Miss Multiverse is once again put for delete, i have read the wikipedia policies and the article meets the policies and it also states that once an article is approved by an administrator it cannot put for delete again. Jose Cuello (talk) 06:29, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello. I noticed this edit, and thought I'd point out that the reference does not support a claim that the pageant is "supported by the Dominican Ministry of Tourism". It's just a mention, reading like a press release, of a letter from Linda Gausachs, the CEO of Miss Multiverse, thanking everyone "who has made the event possible", and then listing a Mariam Matthias from the Ministry of Tourism (who has apparently helped coordinate some events during the pageant) as one of those they want to thank, along with a list of hotels and others. In other words a standard thank you letter from Miss Multiverse, and no proof of them being officially supported by the Ministry of Tourism. Or in WP-lingo a primary surce and not a reliable secondary source. Thomas.W talk 11:44, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I haven't gotten to that part yet, I only changed a reference into the Wikipedia style. If you detect problems in articles, I suggest that you fix them in these articles, rather than discussing them on talk pages of individual users, who have no history with the problem you raise. It's so much more constructive behavior. gidonb (talk) 11:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
I would normally do that, but since I !voted delete in the AfD it might be a bit sensitive if I start removing the few sources there are, and we've seen enough disruption on the AfD as it is. It does surprise me though that you didn't check the sources when rewriting the article, or before !voting "keep" on the AfD. Thomas.W talk 12:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
I checked the sources before, when I personally rewrote the entire article. The AFD was started while I was on a week-long vacation in the mountains. I saw it but had very limited internet access. Also, I did not vote, I expressed my opinion in a discussion. I cleaned this article myself of all PR. Something may have been introduced in the meantime. If you see PR you can remove it, just like anyone else. I edited a Belgian source that excludes any reference to the DR Ministry of Tourism. When you detect problems, please correct them. Please do not create false impressions on third persons talk pages that they had anything to do with PR or that anything was wrong with their edits, including misleading titles and links. Now you have the cheek to continue your insinuations. Please stop these. It does not create a pleasant environment at Wikipedia among volunteers! gidonb (talk) 13:04, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello. I did not appreciate your edit summary that claims that your translation "undermines claims made at AfD", since it doesn't. I suggest you try to translate the entire article, if you do you'll find that it's about a woman and her daughter participating in a beauty pageant for mothers and daughters in Paris, with her previous participation in Miss Multiverse mentioned only in passing (a brief mention that doesn't establish any notability for Miss Multiverse). Which is exactly what I wrote at AfD. So I suggest you check your facts better the next time, before making snide remarks in edit summaries. Thomas.W talk 20:17, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Greetings Gidon, Is there a way to contest this deletion? you and i know this was motivated and pushed by Thomas whom took it as his pride and forgot its all about the article. Also the salting maybe we can have it moved to incubation or a stub Jose Cuello (talk) 17:02, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jose, the relevant procedure would be WP:DRV. You never know at Wikipedia, but I was surprised that the article was taken out. Articles with so much significant coverage in third party publications should not be deleted, but there is no security that WP policies will be carefully applied in AfDs. gidonb (talk) 19:15, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Jose, apart from a Deletion Review, have you considered blowing new live into Wikipedia:WikiProject Beauty Pageants? It would be great if we could have that revived! gidonb (talk) 13:08, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, i would definitely 100% love to contribute fully with pageantry, It might sound absurd but i have seen with my own eyes how important this is for women and the positive impact it has on their lives whether it is Miss Multiverse, Universe, International or any other. I believe we have to create some kind of authority with a knowledge board of members that can defend this topic. As i see wikipedia works based on groups that corroborate and support each-other i found a tool on wikipedia where i was able to see what this Thomas contributed to in the past and noticed how two others from the ones that voted delete where involved as well, meaning he invited them over to re-enforce his vote and opinion. I think its best to not call their attention to much so they dont come and mess with us, but do in fact create our own army of supporters. I will start by building up my wikipeia profile and learning more how to use this Jose Cuello (talk) 20:03, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Sheeesh. You invited me to the AfD, Jose, by posting on my talk page about it, asking me to take a look at the article and see why it was put up for deletion. Which I did, based on Wikipedia policies. So the AfD was all about Wikipedia policies, not about personal opinions, as can be clearly seen in the AfD by anyone who knows about Wikipedia policies (a group that, based on what was posted on the AfD, clearly includes neither you, Jose, nor Gidonb). Thomas.W talk 08:09, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Jose, the Wikiproject members are asked for their attention and expert opinion on subjects within their domain. Hence you can implement your idea by reviving the relevant Wikiproject. Of course, these are not the only opinions that matter. gidonb (talk) 14:05, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi gidonb I visited the beauty pageant Wikipedia:WikiProject Beauty Pageants and put it to semi active, as i see there is allot to do, this i don´t mind at all, but i have allot of learning to do before i am able to make significant contribution and with this i mean the codes and tags required, this wikipedia is a science of its own. but how do i know i will not work for hours, weeks and months only to have someone following my trail and deleting my work for their amusement? Jose Cuello (talk) 03:24, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Jose, sounds wonderful! I have had some bad experiences at Wikipedia in the past, although it's been a while. I used to be more active in editing heavy disputed subject matters and in addressing vandalism. You certainly get much more heat when you get into such areas. Since, I've become too busy outside Wikipedia and mostly do my daily chores at WP. My experience is that stalkers, edit warriors, deceivers, rude folks, and the like eventually get caught and removed from WP and that good articles do get restored. I outlived all my stalkers on Wikipedia by remaining patient. As a rule I wouldn't say that beauty contests are heavily disputed. This was an exceptional situation. Mostly you meet great folks at Wikipedia. For example, from "our" AfD, DGG is sensitive to people and quality. Folks like DGG (and me?) hopefully set better examples of how interaction, reviews, and discussion summaries should be. gidonb (talk) 16:53, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


Your edit summary for this edit to Anno Domini is not accurate. People's Republic of China is not a disambiguation page, it is a redirect to China. Also, it appears you are making a number of this kind of edit. Be aware that the Wikipedia: Bot policy states "Note that high-speed semi-automated processes may effectively be considered bots in some cases, even if performed by an account used by a human editor. If in doubt, check." If that statement applies to your edits, you should seek approval from the bot approval group. Jc3s5h (talk) 13:46, 10 August 2014 (UTC)