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Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Films by length[edit]

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Category:Films by length, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. –BLACK FALCON (TALK) 04:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

re: New York talk page[edit]

Re: "core" - sorry, it was an a simple oversight - I copied the templates from another article which had marked the core "yes" and did not notice it. I'll keep my eyes out for it in the future. -Classicfilms (talk) 21:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films June 2009 Newsletter[edit]

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Stepping[edit]

GS, I know you have some technical expertise in filmmaking. This is a sentence I'm citing for Fight Club: "When we processed it, we stretched the contrast to make it kind of ugly, a little bit of underexposure, a little bit resilvering, and using new high-contrast print socks and stepping all over it so it has a dirty patina." Do you know about "stepping all over it" means? I may need to clarify it in the article body, so a clearer definition is appreciated. —Erik (talkcontrib) 16:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Not a technical term - just another way of saying that they really tried to degrade the image. Where's the quote from? Resilvering is technically wrong - those processes are always silver retention; you can't add it back once it's been bleached out, although they might mean that they "added" it back in during the intermediate or print stage after "losing" it during negative processing. I'm also curious as to what he means by stretching the contrast. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 21:54, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
The quote is from Fincher, interviewed in Film Comment. Here's the article. He also describes resilvering, "Lover-scale enhancement. Rebonding silver that's been bleached away during the processing of the print and then rebonding it to the print... Makes it really dense. The blacks become incredibly rich and kind of dirty. We did it on Seven a little, just to make the prints nice. But it's really in this more for making it ugly." Any way to rewrite it in Fight Club for the average reader? —Erik (talkcontrib) 22:02, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Meh, a director talking over technical matters... Trust the AC article - there's no better (or precise) source than the DP. Cronenweth describes some flashing for night exteriors, which would "stretch the contrast" by milking the blacks slightly. As for "resilvering", AC confirms what I suspected - the negative was processed normally (ie, no silver in the neg after processing), and (some of) the prints were partially bleached (ENR process), thus retaining dense silver in the blacks. That would elide with the Seven comment, since Khondji did ENR on that, IIRC - although on the interpositive stage, I think. (Khondji's a big ENR fan.) Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 23:08, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Plugin++#Films plugin request[edit]

Could you please see that request I've just made and make any general comments as to how you like your banners to be handled. I.e. if Categories/Templates are Class=Cat/Template or N/A, and any other relevant information. –xenotalk 03:33, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

So should I tag the categories themselves with the banner&task force tag? –xenotalk 03:46, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
No preference as regards the categories themselves, but all of the articles within them most definitely. Thanks again, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 03:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Do you guys prefer "{{Film}}" or "{{film}}" ? –xenotalk 03:56, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I personally prefer Film, although it technically does not matter. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 03:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup[edit]

Yeah, as I said don't worry, I'll remove the redirects. A lot of work is needed on those films anyway, so gives me something to work on....Take care. Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Bio's not in project scope[edit]

[1] Bah! You should've told me. =) There's a whole row of bios, shall I mass-rv? –xenotalk 18:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

No, I've already just about finished. I knew that there would be a small amount of mistags due to some poor categorization (such as putting filmmakers into the Cinema of the United States category). Anyway, not a prob! Thanks, though. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 18:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Any other exceptions? I can skip based on criteria like "contains WPBio" (and in fact, it makes it a metric shit-tonne easier because WPBio is supposed to go on top so I have to program for that). –xenotalk 18:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Not that I can think of offhand. How is the bot going? How far along is it? Thanks, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 18:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I believe I have about 3000 pages to go. There is one more possible mistagging, Category:Miramax films also includes possibly non-US films distributed by Miramax in the U.S. I would gather a category split would be worthwhile. All the articles are getting tagged nonetheless, I can mass de-tag if you want, otherwise, manual refining may be required. –xenotalk 17:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films July 2009 Newsletter[edit]

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Stub[edit]

Hi Girolamo, re [2], could you have another look? I don't think it's a stub any more. Cheers, JN466 17:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

A related question -- in a case like this (a documentary), is it appropriate to use a viewing of the film itself to give a detailed description of its contents, beyond the descriptions available in secondary sources? For example, I could do a linear description following more or less the timeline of the film, much as we do with movie plots, or I could restrict it more or less to those points that secondary sources have thought worthy of mention. Which is better? JN466 17:32, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I concur, and have upgraded it accordingly. Next time, please feel free to do so yourself - de-classing it, however, is not an appropriate action. As far as the Plot section goes (it's still a plot, even if it's real), no, you don't need secondary sources so long as your summary is purely objective and descriptive. The film itself is the source, and this is understood under both the site-wide sourcing rules and the MOSFILM. It's synthesis, interpretation, or subjective readings that you need to look out for and avoid; even reliably sourced ones don't usually belong in the Plot section anyway. Good luck! Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 17:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll provide a more rounded content summary once I have time to watch the film again, bearing in mind the guidance in MOSFILM (thanks). Should I rename the "Content" section "Plot"? If you happen to know a documentary FA or GA off the top of your head, that would be helpful. Cheers, --JN466 20:38, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I would rename it, maybe to Synopsis. As for documentary FA's, we have The Power of Nightmares and Triumph of the Will, although the latter is in FAR and likely will be delisted. The only documentary GA I could quickly identify is The Last Waltz, which is a concert film. Good luck! Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 00:01, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks again. JN466 00:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Film lists[edit]

Really really Giro. Tut tut. You disappoint me. You didn't even let me know! For the record I think they should be strongly deleted and it would have been far easier to discuss it between us than going official for something within our project. It should have been discussed on the film talk page, not as MFD. Maybe you envisaged I'd create this great upset, not at all. I actually feel more disappointed that you felt you couldn't speak to me and say you were doing a spick and span. Maybe you feared me opening the elevator trap door and emptying you into the shark/piranha tank on the way out? So let me get this straight you tried to speedy them but an admin forced you to take them to MFD? Why or why or why didn't you just simply say Blofeld can I delete these. I'd have repsonded with a YES! in two seconds, I'd have DB-authored them and problem would have been solved. Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Tongue in cheek^ I hope? Anyhow Db-author might have been declined by a stickler admin because there were other authors. A conversation at WT:FILM might have been enough to get G6 to carry though. –xenotalk 21:41, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
*shrug* Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 22:44, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is is light hearted. I find it kind of funny actually that you thought I'd bite at you and you tried to delete them discreetly without my knowledge! Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Believe what you need to. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 17:03, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Just a quick request[edit]

Thaks for the advice! I will use {{Film|class=Stub}} instead. --Bensin (talk) 12:57, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Screenshots[edit]

Hiya, re the Afghan Massacre documentary – I've noticed that we have screenshots from Hollywood movies on the English Wikipedia (not in Commons), with a fair-use rationale (examples: [3], [4]). Would it be appropriate to upload some screenshots from the programme to en:WP, with a fair-use rationale derived from these examples, and if so, how many would it be appropriate to show in the article on the film? Would appreciate your advice. Thanks, JN466 12:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:FILMNFI - should explain the image policy as it relates to film images. If that doesn't help, let me know. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 16:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, that is of some help. Would I be far off the mark if I understood that to mean that I may add screen shots of scenes that secondary sources have specifically commented upon and described? For example, one source mentions the film showing John Walker Lindh being interrogated by Mike Spann, just hours before the latter was killed in the uprising. Would it be permissible to include a screen shot of that? And likewise, screenshots of witness statements mentioned in such sources (these scenes have subtitles in the film)? And is it a strict rule that images must not be placed in the Synopsis section, but the Reception section only? --JN466 10:29, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
My understanding is that it can't just be illustrative - it has to directly enhance critical commentary by showing something above and beyond what text is capable of doing. But I'm not a fair-use expert on images - you should consult the appropriate on-wiki forums. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 17:25, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. I'll probably run it by user:Moonriddengirl; she always seems to know what she is talking about. Regards, JN466 18:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

What?[edit]

Excuse me, but Nemesis (Resident Evil) failed the film project's A-class nomation why exactly? I don't see how one support and everyone else ignoring it automatically equates failure. I'm really trying to assume good faith here, but as you're the one that pushed for the review in the first place it comes across as ridiculous.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 19:38, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

It failed to gain the required support margin of at least three editors, nor had it had any lack of time sufficient to garner such support. I'd encourage you not to take it personally - I just failed the entirety of what was left on ACR. If you want to relist it, I'd encourage you to. The larger problem, as I recall, is that there was some debate on either WT:FILM or WT:FILMC (I can't remember which) as to whether or not it could legitimately be subject to the ACR process, as so little of the article was germane to the film project. Please don't shoot the messenger - I'm just doing project housekeeping and have no particular opinion wrt this case. Thanks, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 19:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

U2 3D A-Class fail[edit]

I see that you recently failed U2 3D for an A-class nomination, but did not state a reason why. The last comment you made on the talk page was 3 months ago. I do not understand how you can simply go from making comments, not replying to my comments, then failing it 3 months later. –Dream out loud (talk) 02:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I apologize for not replying to your latest comments - I had a month-long work detail that largely precluded any significant presence online. That being said, please don't shoot the messenger: my actions at ACR were purely organizational in nature - we had 4 A-Class reviews, none of which had any activity within the past month, and none of which were close to the required three support margin to pass. With regard to the U2 3D review in particular, it had gone on for four months, IIRC, and had only yielded one support (PC78) and two reviewers who did not feel it had advanced enough to support (Erik and me). (Please correct me if any of that is wrong.)
Similar things happen at FAC when a dearth of reviews emerge, albeit over a much shorter time-scale, and these too end in a failed candidacy. But like FAC, it may be that a new review will be able to attract a few new faces, however, and you certainly would be justified to get PC78 to re-support, as well as Erik and myself to follow-up from our previous comments. If anything, I'd say you were too patient before! :) I hope that answered your questions and addressed your concerns. Please let me know otherwise. Best of luck, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 02:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate the reply. I feel as if the A-Class reviews did sit idle for a while (U2 3D and others) without any discussions taking place. However, the article has expanded greatly since your last comments. The lead was rewritten, the editing section was expanded, and a new section was added at the end of the article, plus tons of other minor edits. I would like to know how the article can be approved from here to try another A-Class nom at another time. –Dream out loud (talk) 04:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:An Empress And The Warriors[edit]

Hello I was wondeering what the reason behind your recent edit to this page?--Tim1357 (talk) 21:41, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

It's the talk page to what is now a redirect. The project banner was relocated to the article's present talk page. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 00:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Hiding edit history[edit]

If you have occasion again to cover (in effect, to "hide") a former article's edit history under a Rdr (e.g. B-actor), please put

{{R from merge}}

on the same line. The text it places is tricky to see (at this point; could a MediaWiki mod be in the works?) except on the template page (even via preview) but reads something like

This page was kept as a redirect to the corresponding main article of the subject matter, in order to preserve its edit history after the content was merged. Please do not remove this tag (unless the need to recreate this article is demonstrated), or delete this page. For more information, follow the category link.

Tnx!
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Round 2 on task force runs[edit]

Can you see this and advise if I should tag those categories, files, and templates, or which namespace(s) to exclude? Thanks, –xenotalk 20:38, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd say lose the File: namespace entries, lose the biographies, and lose anything that ends with (song). Sound good? Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 20:46, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, biographies will get skipped. Will do those other two things as well. Cheers, –xenotalk 20:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Tag and assess drive[edit]

All of the individual issues have now been organized in a recap, please weigh in if you can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 22:03, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

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New autoassessment functionality available from Xenobot Mk V[edit]

Check it out, let me know if it's something you'd be interested in me running on the unassessed category. Xenobot just completed a task for WikiProject Chicago. See here for an idea of the edits it was making. I can make it more strict, i.e., only tag if two other projects agree. –xenotalk 04:26, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

want I should run this on the 4400+ articles in this category? –xenotalk 08:25, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Takeo Kimura filmography/archive1[edit]

The nomination has been restarted so that consensus for promotion or archival can emerge. Please update your stance on the article and be sure to add/update any comments you may have. Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 04:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Friar Savonarola. Not sure if you caught my last argument at the FLC but you're not alone in assuming a 50% red link limit; however, rather than arguing semantics I wonder if I can entice into a red link criteria discussion here? Guaranteed good times. Doctor Sunshine (talk) 01:40, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Jericho[edit]

Why did you move the article to Jericho (1937 British film)? Why not just Jericho (1937 film)? I checked IMDb for other 1937 films called Jericho but did not see anything. Erik (talk | contribs | wt:film) 15:10, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't get it moved to the latter, and I guess I just assumed it was another film. Oops! Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 17:46, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
No problem. FYI. Erik (talk | contribs | wt:film) 18:24, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

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WP:FILMS' Tag & Assess Drive and Roll Call[edit]

Re: Core films parameter[edit]

I think I've added the core parameter in: Beauty of the Devil, Ben-Hur 1925 and 1959, and Capricorn One, but I am not sure. Sorry, but that is something I didn't know before. –pjoef (talkcontribs) 08:51, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


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Ding dong[edit]

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film seems to be building up requests with no replies. Please be so kind as to provided comments to those requests. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 10:41, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


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Happy, happy[edit]

Happy New Year, and all the best to you and yours! (from warm Cuba) Bzuk (talk) 08:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Exposing to the right[edit]

Hi Girolamo! I have recently re-written Exposing to the right and would appreciate some feedback, if you have the time. Even a cursory glance to see if I've made any glaring errors would be enough. Thank you in advance. Regards, nagualdesign (talk) 09:54, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

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Request for input in drafting potential guidelines[edit]

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James (film) listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect James (film). Since you had some involvement with the James (film) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. TheChampionMan1234 11:25, 30 May 2014 (UTC)