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Hello, Gorobay, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{help me}} before the question. Again, welcome!  :: œ 08:41, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Let me add to the welcome above. It seems you are quite familiar with complex template coding so I am assuming you are not new here? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:26, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

I have edited as an IP for a few years, so I know my way around. Gorobay (talk) 16:47, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
You can say that agai:n. I think the categories you are creating should be subcategories of Category:Redirects from alternative languages and I don't see why they should be hidden? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:13, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
On second thoughts, perhaps it is appropriate that they are hidden. There is also Template:Redirect category which may be useful for these categories. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:17, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
I'll put them in Category:Redirects from alternative languages. I did not use {{Redirect category}} because I did not know what template should be; e.g. template=R from alternative language{{!}}de for German? Gorobay (talk) 12:50, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
What is the point of creating all these redirects? Redirects should be used for commonly used alternative terms or spellings. One could create millions of pointless redirects with foreign alphabet words for every Wikipedia article. Do you expect that readers do not know this is the English Wikipedia, or that they do not read English, but will somehow benefit from being redirected to an English language article when they type in a word in some other language and alphabet? Edison (talk) 21:03, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Who's creating redirects? I'm not creating any redirects.
I am editing redirects to give them categories. It wasn't my idea to make them, but someone thought they were worth creating. Maybe they are completely useless, but until they are deleted, they may as well go in the proper categories. Gorobay (talk) 21:08, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I popped up here because I saw your work at "Recent changes," and was under the mistaken impression you were creating a slew of redirects. I apologize. The talk page archives at WP:REDIRECT indicate that there is some consensus for having foreign alphabet redirects from the foreign version of the name of the article to the English article, particularly if it is a subject associated with the country where the alphabet is used. Such a redirect could be useful to a foreign person who is somewhat fluent in English, and might wish to read about the subject, but is not sure of the exact spelling or phrasing of the English name. Your categorization is useful work. If you could put in an edit summary that you are recategorizing a redirect, then "Recent changes" patrollers would not be led to click on the edit each time to see what you are doing. When a Recent changes patroller sees that someone has edited जनरेटर or whatever, the initial impression is that Wikipedia has acquired an article in need of translation (or perhaps deletion). An edit summary would be most helpful. Regards. Edison (talk) 21:30, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Okay, glad it was just a misunderstanding. I haven't been doing edit summaries because they slow the process down considerably. Is there a tool I can use to automatically set my edit summary? Gorobay (talk) 21:36, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Redirects from non-English language terms[edit]

Category:Redirects from non-English language terms, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 18:27, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar time[edit]

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For creating all those useful unicode redirects. Nice job! Yunshui (talk) 12:59, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Foreign-language Redirects[edit]

Okay, I got it. Azure Dragon of the East (talk) 17:09, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

You Are a Winner![edit]

Congratulations, Gorobay for finding this edit to Ŭ! You are the first winner of my Alpha Challenge! Your prize is this giant alpha:


Redirects from Chinese[edit]

Done! Stormedelf (talk) 06:39, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

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Please explain[edit]

This edit Removed Category:Unprintworthy redirects. Why? Please respond on my talk. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:49, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I removed the category because it was inconsistent with current practice used in thousands of similar redirects on two counts:
  • It used a category rather than {{R unprintworthy}}.
  • Redirects from alternative languages are not generally tagged for printworthiness. This redirect is no more unprintworthy than the rest.
Gorobay (talk) 00:37, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Zabranjeno Pušenje#Requested move[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Help me[edit]

Hi. I'm just waiting to correct the Cyrillic names of political parties, films, and singers. Could you help me to resolve them? --Daniyar Mukharbatanov (talk) 11:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

This edit (and possibly others); you may add more {{R from alternative language}} if you have much time. Thank you. --Daniyar Mukharbatanov (talk) 12:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
I have tagged all of your Cyrillic redirects with the appropriate languages. Feel free to tag them yourself if you create any more. With that said, I think you should not create any more redirects like Д. Ловато, for the same reason various transliterations of “Selena Gomez” are inappropriate. Gorobay (talk) 21:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Move redirects[edit]

Thanks for fixing my move redirects. Simply south...... flapping wings into buildings for just 6 years 13:10, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for improving some of my recent redirect updates too. I will try to remember the language parameters for {R from alternative language} in future. --Mirokado (talk) 14:08, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

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alveolar clicks[edit]

Thanks for fixing all the !'s in the Khoisan articles. However, I wonder about the page move to ǃKung language. If we're going to use the Unicode click symbol, then we should probably use the local orthography, which would be ǃXuun or ǃXũũ (plus perhaps tone diacritics). "!Kung" is the common English rendering of the name, and as such I would expect it to use a simple exclamation mark. Similarly Ekoka !Kung etc. ("!Xung", BTW, is an odd hybrid which is probably my fault. There is no actual "ng" in the native pronunciation.)

(The edits also left a fair number of new red links.) — kwami (talk) 17:11, 7 December 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing this. I seem to have botched the template twice and not even noticed the second time, which is a pretty bad mistake. I'll be more careful in the future. —Remember the dot (talk) 18:50, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Move done[edit]

Hi Gorobay, I fixed the move of United Nations Command for you. Did you know you could have done that yourself? As long as there are no edits in history, you can move over a redirect. Cheers, 20:58, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


Please refrain from moving articles on well-known paintings without discussion - see Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Requesting_controversial_and_potentially_controversial_moves. It is a nuisance to restore the titles. About half of Vermeer's output might be described as "Portrait of a Young Woman", which is not even the name that the museum uses. Also see WP:VAMOS on the titles of artwork articles. Thank you. Johnbod (talk) 15:09, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry; I didn't know it was controversial. I have read WP:VAMOS, but I do not see the problem. If the painting is not called Portrait of a Young Woman, it should be moved to its true name. Since there are no other Vermeer paintings called Portrait of a Young Woman on Wikipedia, the "New York" disambiguator was unnecessary. Gorobay (talk) 17:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
To avoid ambiguity it is not enough to say there is no other other article title that is exactly the same, when most Vermeers, like many old paintings have several alternative titles, none of them especially authoritative, as the works had no actual original title (let alone one in English), and all the titles have been given to them by museums and art historians subsequently. Vamos goes into the issue of the extra degree of disambiguation that is often necessary to avoid ambiguity in the titles of paintings articles: "If the title is not very specific, or refers to a common subject, add the surname of the artist in brackets afterwards, e.g. Reading the Letter (Picasso). It is generally better to disambiguate by the artist's name than by medium, as there may be other paintings or sculptures of the same name by other artists. If the artist painted several works with the same, or very similar, titles, add the location of the work if it is in a public collection. For example, Annunciation (van Eyck, Washington), as van Eyck painted several Annunciations. A title such as Madonna and Child (Raphael) is of little use (see Category:Raphael Madonnas). The names of less well-known artists may not be suitable disambiguation terms." Johnbod (talk) 18:38, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


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Request reason:

I am not a bot. If I were, would I make silly mistakes like Ctrl+V without the Ctrl? I realize I edit quickly, but that is only natural when I am creating multiple identical redirects. Gorobay (talk) 09:06, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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I've gone ahead and unblocked, but please consider slowing down. You may want to use WP:AWB to make these edits and possibly open a separate bot account for doing that. Mass page creation tends to be problematic here and has resulted in some editors getting into trouble. Rschen7754 09:25, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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Are you using any form of automation, such as scripts? If not, how are you making all these edits? --Rschen7754 09:13, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
I am not using automation, but I will be more cautious henceforth. Gorobay (talk) 09:30, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

A magnifying glass[edit]

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To creator and fixer of redirects from exotic characters. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 17:14, 6 March 2013 (UTC)


I have reverted your change to 🔔 because targeting the redirect page was the outcome of an RFD. If you want it to be targetted somewhere else please either take it to WP:DRV or start a new WP:RFD. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 06:15, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


Just curious, Gorobay, about your usage of the {{R from Unicode}} template on pages such as this one. The reason I ask is that I thought that template should only be used on /doc pages, as per its own /doc page. Actually, when you boil it all down, even the Latin letters like A, B, C are on the List of Unicode characters, so I think that template is now only good for /doc pages. Or have you found another use for it? a use that isn't like the redirect shortcut I linked to above? – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 18:30, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

The template is for listing Wikipedia’s Unicode redirects, which are not everything listed at List of Unicode characters. {{R from Unicode}}’s documentation says there is special handling when it is used on a /doc subpage, not that the template should only be used for subpages. Gorobay (talk) 20:01, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
That makes sense, Gorobay, and I see by your recent contributions that you do a great job of categorizing pages! All those edits make sense to me. I still wonder, though, about shortcuts like the one I noted above. The title of the redirect is "Wikipedia:H". All of those characters are on the Unicode list, but does your "R from Unicode" refer to all of those characters? Where is the discernment from every other redirect we use? Was it the "colon (:)" you were referring to? Wasn't R from Unicode once used for diacritics? And we have {{R from diacritics}} for that now. – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 19:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
It refers to the “H”. The idea was that “Wikipedia” was the namespace, “H” was the title, and the colon wasn’t important. I did that (and many similar redirects) a year ago, but now I have changed my mind: I don’t think it is appropriate anymore. I don’t know the history of {{R from Unicode}}, but you are right: it has a different purpose from {{R from diacritics}}. Gorobay (talk) 20:33, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Thank you very much, Gorobay! I've learned a lot from you! – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 00:47, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Unicode block vs unicode block[edit]

As I started thinking about the matter, my original interpretation fell apart under the weight of internal inconsistency, so I changed all the articles. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. VanIsaacWS Vexcontribs 04:24, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Redirects for Deletion – April 28[edit]

RFD Discussion

Hello, Gorobay. You may want to participate in the most recent RFD discussion concerning redirects from Unicode characters to the articles on the writing systems to which they belong. Particularly, this discussion involves the redirects from Vai syllabary characters, although the underlying purpose of their proposed deletion could soon expand to include characters from all Unicode aliases—many of which are redirects that you (← mostly) and I have created. In case this discussion is of any of your concern, I would recommend participating in it. Thank you.

    — |J~Pæst| 21:49, 28 April 2013 (UTC) (original RFD request by BabelStone (talk) 20:44, 28 April 2013 (UTC) )

Indic letter articles[edit]

Since you've commented on the {{Indic glyph}} template, and the deletion discussion for Devanagari ka, I thought you should know that I've just finished out the first quarter or so of the Ka (Indic) article. I've invited Kwami to work through that content, adding and cutting, and seeing if we can't work on having an archetype of this whole class of articles should look like. Please comment at the template, article, or Kwami's talk page, and we'll see if we can't start getting this content created. VanIsaacWS Vexcontribs 05:20, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Your removals of "R from Unicode" from various redirects[edit]

Hi Gorobay,

I reverted a number of edits where you removed the "R from Unicode" categorization from redirects, although these redirects were in fact redirects from the Unicode representation to the more common (extended) ASCII representation. Can you explain what you were trying to accomplish by removing these Rcats? Thanks. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 22:01, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

{{R from Unicode}} is for redirects from individual Unicode characters, not from redirects which use such characters. Category:Redirects from Unicode characters contains the sort of redirects this template is meant for. Gorobay (talk) 22:58, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Well, I see your point now, but I'm still not sure if it's valid one.
Template:R template index lists "R from Unicode" as kind of opposite to "R from ASCII" (which may not be properly defined in itself, but clearly is/was meant for strings, not only single characters). Neither there or in the template's documentation can I find a statement that "R from Unicode" would be meant for individual Unicode characters only. Even the description at Category:Redirects from Unicode characters does not make this clear, although it uses the word "character".
In either way, the reason why I added this Rcat to these redirects was to make it more obvious for other editors that these redirects do not use the standard representation of characters as they would result from typing the title under most Western keyboard layouts without using special tools to input Unicode characters. At least in my environment, both representations of µ are totally indistinguishable on screen, and I will have to use a hex editor in order to find out which code point was actually used by someone else. When I was working on the NEC µPD articles a while ago, this actually caused some confusion as some articles were created under the "extended ASCII form" whereas others used the "Unicode form" originally, and I was wondering why some links remained red although the corresponding articles existed. That's why I created this set of redirects.
Do you know another template like "R from title with Unicode characters" similar to "R from title without diacritics", "R from transliteration" etc.? --Matthiaspaul (talk) 10:15, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Template:R template index was wrong; I have fixed it. I don’t know of any template that means exactly what you want. You might use {{R from alternative spelling}}. If that is insufficiently precise, you can create a new template. Gorobay (talk) 14:26, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Then let's use "R from alternative spelling" for now. Sorry for the late reply, I'm rather busy right now... --Matthiaspaul (talk) 10:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

"Unnecessary disambiguation" Comment[edit]

Hi Gorobay, I see you have moved a number of German articles to remove the disambiguator. Please be a little careful because in each case there is a reason for it. For example there is a village called Lopau on the Luneburg Heath as well as the Lopau river; it's just that we have yet to create the former article. When I translate these articles from German Wiki, I usually leave the disambiguator in because, sooner or later I, or someone else, will translate the other articles from which they need disambiguating. If you're not sure, do ask the editors involved - we're always happy to help. --Bermicourt (talk) 22:07, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I’ll stop moving them. Gorobay (talk) 22:27, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

100 yard dash[edit]

You just renamed the article by adding the hyphen. Why? Are you now going to damage all of our athletics, swimming or other distance related events across wikipedia by adding a hyphen to each of them? We are describing a distance run. The hyphen is unnecessary and improper. Trackinfo (talk) 00:00, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

The article referred to the event as a “100-yard dash”, and now the title is consistent with the body. Similar titles include 40-yard dash and 440-yard dash. Per well-established English usage, this is not improper. See WP:HYPHEN and WP:AGF. Gorobay (talk) 02:36, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Actually we are talking about number, measurements. Where in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Numbers does it say to hyphenate? You found a couple of obscure articles that might not have been corrected to follow MOS, the are hundreds to thousands that disagree. You are going in the wrong direction. And don't pull that AGF crap. Trackinfo (talk) 05:23, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Unit names says When they form a compound adjective, values and unit names should be separated by a hyphen: for example, a five-day holiday. “100-yard” is a compound adjective. The hyphenless alternative is “100 yards dash”. Gorobay (talk) 12:57, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
You found the answer yourself. That was using text, which is discouraged. By MoS we call our events by numerical values. 100 yards is a measurement. We don't call it the hundred yard dash. Trackinfo (talk) 19:22, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
The same MoS also includes the example twelve 90-minute volumes, i.e. it doesn’t matter whether the number is written with letters or with digits. This is perfectly consistent with WP:HYPHEN, which I encourage you to read. Gorobay (talk) 20:44, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
You're going to have to get much more specific than to point to a full article and claim it tells you to do something like this. There is a convoluted section on measurement, but you're going to need to show where measurement values need to be hyphenated. If you persist in this line of thinking, you will potentially damage thousands of established article names. Trackinfo (talk) 17:33, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Budōkan karate[edit]

Please move this article back to the disambiguated title, and change the resultant redirect to point to Budokan, an appropriate disambiguation page. The macron is insufficient disambiguation, and an obscure minor style of karate is hardly the primary topic. If anything, the Tokyo arena should be the target if the redirect, and the undisambiguated title, as it is clearly the primary topic. oknazevad (talk) 16:59, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

That all sounds reasonable. Go ahead. Gorobay (talk) 17:26, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
All done. Thanks. oknazevad (talk) 17:33, 5 February 2014 (UTC)



I notice you added Template:R from symbol back to . You are correct that not all symbols are Unicode characters, but I realized today that all Unicode characters are symbols and that Category:Redirects from Unicode characters is a subcategory of Category:Redirects from symbols. It seems like classifying a redirect with Template:R from Unicode is enough to indicate both that it is a symbol and that it is specifically a Unicode character.


Beland (talk) 21:13, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I realized right after I saved the change that I wrote my edit summary backwards. What I meant to say is that not all Unicode characters are symbols (for all but the vaguest definition of “symbol”). There are also letters and numbers, for example. I hadn’t realized that one category is a subcategory of the other. That is wrong. Gorobay (talk) 21:35, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Hmm, you also see "R from symbol" used for e,g, Γ ray, where Γ is a letter, but it's a Greek letter in an English phrase. Maybe we should discuss on Wikipedia talk:Categorizing redirects; I'll start a thread there. -- Beland (talk) 00:04, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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Anipoli & Alesk[edit]

Can you please consider reverting the move? As with most Hasidic dynasty articles, the name of the dynasty is the Yiddish name of the shtetl where its founder lived; Anipoli should redirect to Hannopil', the name of the town, while the Hasidic dynasty article should be at the original title. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 19:02, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

The same goes for Alesk. Both towns have a long Jewish history, and the Jewish name of the town should redirect to the article about the town (or, where available, the article or or section about the history of the town's Jews), not to an article about one family of rabbis from the town. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 19:05, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
It depends on whether, in English, “Anipoli” and “Alesk” primarily refer to the dynasties or to the towns. You know more about this topic than I do, so please do revert my edits if appropriate. Gorobay (talk) 19:10, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
It's somewhat ambiguous: both towns are usually mentioned in reference to famous rabbis who lived there, e.g. "Zusha of Anipoli", which, I feel, refers more to the town than to the dynasty.
As for reverting your edits, I would do so myself, but I now need to request the move, as you've edited the redirect, so I wanted to discuss it with you first. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 19:24, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
I've requested a technical move. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 18:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Decision Sciences (journal)[edit]

Hi, Decision Sciences is a field of study (and now that it exists, should be redirected to an appropriate target, such as decision making). Decision Sciences is an academic journal and should therefore have a dab. I'd appreciate if you could revert this move. Similarly, we have anti-cancer drug, which redirects to chemotherapy, but anti-cancer drugs now goes to a journal article. This should properly also go to chemotherapy and Anti-Cancer Drugs should be moved back to Anti-Cancer Drugs (journal). Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 16:44, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

According to WP:DIFFCAPS, it is acceptable to differentiate titles only by capitalization. The fields of study are not titlecased, whereas the journals are, so there is no need to disambiguate. Gorobay (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, but I think you need to read that again. You are moving pages to remove dabs, but you are not putting any hatnotes where necessary. If a reader searcher for anti-cancer drugs, they are most likely not searching for a scientific journal... Likewise anybody searching for "decision sciences". DIFFCAPS states that caps can be used to differentiate pages if that doesn't create confusion. Me thinks you're creating confusion here. --Randykitty (talk) 18:30, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Good work[edit]

...on finding and nominating all those unlikely Cyrillic redirects. — Scott talk 17:34, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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Gorobay old darling can't you list Greek stupidies in in groups? I know I have been told I forget by whom that they must be all discussed individually. Patently they are all of a pattern and should be rubber-stamped as delete, and you yourself point out the exceptions when you think there is any doubt on those that you list: but most are not in doubt and I am fed up with doing elegant variation on these. Thanks for finding them but don't do a second flood: we have another one going at WP:RFD with nicknames of teams in the National Football League (whatever that is, some America thing apparently). I can't sep them out because you have been canny to write a very slightly different comment under each, that has the same meaning. If tha is your intent, then well done, you succeeded: I can't group them cos I won't remove your comments. You could, though.

Si Trew (talk) 23:56, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

A reasonable editor could conceivably disagree with me about one RfD and not another, so I list them separately. I don’t think it matters much either way. Feel free to consolidate my nominations if you find them untidy.
And, for the record, most of my comments are identical. Gorobay (talk) 00:42, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, most are, most say "Not especially Greek". I kinda misunderstood that at first: and thanks very much for hunting them down. Hellenic Wikipedia doesn't have most of these articles and they are not Interwiki'd but looking up EL:WP I tend to find nothing: that is not our fault. But for external search engines to mislead Greek speakers into the tar pit that is English Wikipedia must be a bit of a WP:SURPRISE.
So I am with you all the way, just wondering if there is a better way to list them French: en masse. Maybe I didn't put it elegantly, but obviously you know what you are up to and will point out any exceptions that you think need discussion. Si Trew (talk) 05:40, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
By the way I thought I had said but appear not to have, thank you very much for your contributions to Wikipedia. That sounds trite written but one day we will have a beer or a drop of pálinka and I can thank you properly. Your help in improving this encylopaedia is noticed by at least one other editor. Sincerely Si Trew (talk) 05:44, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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Roman gentes and disambiguation[edit]

Until now, all Roman gens articles shared the same titling format, making it easy to identify and link to them from articles concerning members. The disambiguation "(gens)" contained in the title also distinguished the articles from individual members; all of the women in a gens would share the name of the gens as a nomen. While there are some smaller gens articles with no individual biographies of women members at this point, it's entirely possible that there may be in the future, which would require moving these articles back over the redirects just created (and thus administrator assistance).

A persistent problem with existing Roman biographical articles is their inconsistent naming and organization; for instance a number of individuals might be referred to as "Sempronia," and each of them might be entitled to a separate article. But several of them are (or at one time were) lumped together into a single article, for no better reason than that they shared the same name. Others who also shared that name have their own articles, thanks to other methods of disambiguation. There is no systematic organization to the titling and contents of Roman biographical articles; hence the use of consistent disambiguation for the gens articles, as a remedy for some of these issues. Please consider moving the articles back to their original titles. P Aculeius (talk) 15:42, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Briers (surname)[edit]


I see you moved page Briers (surname) to Briers over redirect ‎(Remove unnecessary disambiguation (per typical name conventions)).

For consistency, should we move Brier (surname) to Brier?

Thanks for your assistance Gjs238 (talk) 12:21, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Short answer: no. The convention is to only include the disambiguator if the surname alone is ambiguous. There is no other article on Wikipedia named “Briers”, so adding “(surname)” is not necessary. On the other hand, Brier exists, so the surname article needs to be called Brier (surname). If you look at Category:Surnames you will see that most surname articles have no disambiguator.
Now, I see you have added some non-surname entries to Briers, so in this particular case it is no longer a surname article. If those surnames are ever split off into their own article, that article should be called Briers (surname). Gorobay (talk) 12:31, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

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For fixing up the tons of surname disambiguation pages. Sure, it's creating more work for me with all the G6 deletions, but it's something (tedious) that needs to be done. Thanks! Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 20:24, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
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August 2014[edit]

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Question about a few redirects from foreign languages[edit]

Hey there, I am currently categorizing the items in Category:Redirects from non-English-language terms so that it only contains sub-categories, but I have encountered an issue that it will not go into a subcategory, Batswana, for example, is tagged with <code>{{R from alternative language|tn}}</code> but it is placed inside Category:Redirects from non-English-language terms instead of Category:Redirects from Tswana-language terms, which I created, any help would be appreciated. - TheChampionMan1234 03:39, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Please ignore the above message, as I found out that clicked "edit" on the redirect, doing nothing, and saving the page did the trick. - TheChampionMan1234 07:31, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Say What?! (video game)[edit]

Hi. Side thought to your move proposal, any idea on where to get a suitable image via WP:File Upload Wizard into the infobox? In ictu oculi (talk) 07:00, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I don’t, sorry. Gorobay (talk) 12:48, 14 September 2014 (UTC)


Mir means world, rather then peace in the name Lubomir -> the one who loves the world. ( (talk) 13:22, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


What is the difference between Category:Redirects from alternative languages and Category:Redirects from non-English-language terms. I notice pages in both categories have {{R from alternative language}} (without a parameter) on them. But how do I know which category it will be placed in? Regards. - TheChampionMan1234 09:30, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Category:Redirects from alternative languages should only contain subcategories. The thousands of redirects in that category are a mistake no one has fixed yet. {{R from alternative language}} puts a page here. (Don’t do that though!)
Category:Redirects from non-English-language terms is for redirects from one language to another. Its subcategories correspond to specific source languages. {{R from alternative language|qqq}} puts a page here, where |qqq represents any language that doesn’t have its own subcategory. {{R from alternative language}} should never put anything in Category:Redirects from non-English-language terms. If you have a counterexample, please let me know. Gorobay (talk) 12:55, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. I am in the process of cleaning up both categories. - TheChampionMan1234 22:11, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Please tag redirects from Korean hangul[edit]

See Hangul_consonant_and_vowel_tables#Hangul_syllables. Thanks. I am also doing some of this with AWB - TheChampionMan1234 07:27, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

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hello this is skitzo[edit]

i was wondering why my wikipedia page was deleted

i am an american multi-platinum producer who works with several hip hop artists, why was my wikipedia page deleted? i still exist, and continue to do active work in the industry

can you please undo the deleted page, and restore my page please. the skitzo (band) is the rock band, i am more relevant and known in the music industry, and i appreciated using wikipedia as a reference page

please e-mail me at

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:03, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Moving journal articles[edit]

Hi, when you move journal articles, please tag the redirect for ther project ({{WPJournals|class=Redirect}}). In addition, when moving unambiguous titles such as "The Cerebellum (journal)" to the more ambiguous "The Cerebellum" (and, yes, I realize that this follows guidelines, but the fact remains that "The Cerebellum" is ambiguous), could you please add a "for" template or such to the top of the article, so that readers looking for "the cerebellum" get that, too. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 17:41, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I have tagged the redirects and added a hatnote to The Holocene. Gorobay (talk) 18:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 18:54, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Re: The Child Dreams[edit]

FYI, it was at "(opera)" because it's based on a play of the same title, but I suppose that's a bridge we can cross if there's ever an article on the play. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 01:20, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Please restore[edit]

Could you please restore (album) (book) etc. to all the articles you have removed (album) (book) from where there are other topics - songs, books, whatever - mentioned in article content. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:13, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation is only used when a title would otherwise be ambiguous. If these other topics have no Wikipedia articles, there is no ambiguity. The albums and books can be redisambiguated if the other topics get articles. Gorobay (talk) 22:36, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Please review WP:DISAMBIGUATION which says that we disambiguate by article content and not by article titles. Could you please restore (album) (book) etc. to all the articles you have removed (album) (book) from where there are other topics - songs, books, whatever - mentioned in article content. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:00, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
What does disambiguating by content mean? Can you give an example? I can’t find anything relevant in WP:DISAMBIGUATION. Gorobay (talk) 16:56, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Why are you continuing to ambiguate more articles when you have been asked to revert what you've already done? Please undo all your moves where the term can refer to content in other articles. Disambiguating by content means what it says, that there is content on the other topics, even though they don't have standalone articles. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:14, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Now I see what you mean by disambiguation by content. Not all ambiguity requires disambiguation in the title, though. Take Try Out as an example. I moved it because nothing else is called “Try Out”. On the disambiguation page you created, the hockey contracts aren’t capitalized and the film begins with “The”. Or A TianA Tian (album): why add “(album)” if there is no other “A Tian” to disambiguate from? On the other hand I see the logic behind the creation of Outloud and will be more careful henceforth. Gorobay (talk) 03:04, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Unilateral moves with inappropriate edit summaries[edit]

Hi, Gorobay. I ask you to please stop removing text in brackets from article titles based in foreign languages using inappropriate and misleading edit summaries. There's nothing "unnecessary" about abbreviations. Abbreviations are not disambiguations. Please make a note of the difference in the meaning of these two terms. Abbreviations are used when the actual English translation of the original name is not officially recognized in that language. You moved unilaterally, the Belarusian Home Defence (BKA) to Belarusian Home Defence over redirect. Meanwhile, Belarusian Home Defence is not an official name of BKA, read it. It is one of the possible translations of Беларуская краёвая абарона. Another translation is "Byelorussian Home Guard". The only constant is 'BKA' in its name. Please restore the official abbreviation. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 18:58, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Are there multiple entities known in English as “Belarusian Home Defence”? There aren’t on Wikipedia, so it is not ambiguous. Therefore the disambiguation is unnecessary. If that is the wrong name, move it to the right name. If no English name is good enough, use the original Belarusian name or abbreviation. Gorobay (talk) 19:17, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

You keep flogging these two words: "ambiguous" and "disambiguation" as if there was no way out. The "Belarusian Home Defence" is not a name of a movie like in your other unilateral moves. Round brackets are not "ambiguous". "Belarusian Home Defence" is used in English literature, and so is "Byelorussian Home Guard". The wp:article name would allow for both. The only constant is BKA. However, BKA (on its own) would not be good enough because of German Bundeskriminalamt (BKA, Federal Criminal Investigation Bureau) and the Chinese BKA (Red Hats). Why didn't you pose a question in talk before acting? The original Belorussian spelling is not so popular in English literature. Poeticbent talk 19:46, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

I didn’t post on the talk page because I didn’t expect this to be controversial. Articles ending with redundant parenthetical abbreviations are moved regularly, and not just by me. What is the BKA most often called in English sources? Gorobay (talk) 20:02, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

hello (skitzo)[edit]

you guys erased my skitzo wikipedia page, i am a hip hop producer, a notable one at that, and my credentials just got wiped clean, please email me at — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:28, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

So go write an article. If you’re notable it won’t be deleted. Gorobay (talk) 17:57, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


I added a bit at Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Mojibake_redirects not well put but in your favour. Si Trew (talk) 22:25, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Mojibake Rs (Pokémon)[edit]

Hi Gorobay,

Thanks for your tireless work listing these tiresome mojibakes at RfD. I for one appreciate it, but usually stay silent to let them go delete by default. Doesn't mean I don't notice how much hard work you must put in to hunting these down and trapping them.

It piqued my interest with some of the Pokémon ones, since "Pokémon" is already a transliteration of katakana "ポケモン", and presumably chosen deliberately by the marketing department (since they could have called it anything in other markets, as car brands frequently are, for example). So the "é" was presumably deliberately chosen for distinction even though it is not usual in English words. (e.g. Nestlé's seems to have become keener on pronouncing its e acute, which in my childhood rhymed with nettles and indeed members of the company pronounced it that way).

Anyway that is probably beside the point, but that what would happen if the katakana itself was mojibaked? Do we have a mojibake for ポケモン, for example, or for titles that are half English and half kana? I don't know much about the mojibake algorithm (and don't want to know more than I have to!) but I am curious about this.

Happy new year, belatedly. Si Trew (talk) 06:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

⟨ポケモン⟩ would become ⟨ポケモン⟩. I don’t know if there are any such redirects, but I haven’t finished looking yet. Gorobay (talk) 12:52, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Haha, ポケモン does not exist (yet). You've a Herculean task with them anyway, without an idiot like me adding more to your list. Si Trew (talk) 09:28, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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I award you this barnstar for your continuous and dedicated efforts in the very unglamorous work of rooting out mojibake redirects and other technical dross. Keep up the good work! --BDD (talk) 18:24, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

🕷 listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect 🕷. Since you had some involvement with the 🕷 redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Mr. Guye (talk) 23:42, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Panther Power[edit]

If you are going to move articles because of "unnecessary disambiguation" then it would follow that the incoming wikilinks also need to be amended. If the links are not amended it becomes "unnecessary move. Thanks in advance for amending the Wikilinks. --Richhoncho (talk) 09:35, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Since Panther Power (song) still redirects to the right article, there is no need to update the internal links. See WP:NOTBROKEN. I have updated {{Tupac Shakur}} to bypass the redirect, though, per WP:BRINT. Gorobay (talk) 15:21, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
If you felt it was so important to move - I can only assume you expect others to clean up after you. Black Panther Power, anyone? --Richhoncho (talk) 16:40, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
I don’t expect that. Nothing needs to be cleaned up. Gorobay (talk) 16:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Then it was an unnecessary move. You can't have it both ways. --Richhoncho (talk) 17:16, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
There is only one thing on Wikipedia called “Panther Power”: the song, so the song is the primary topic for “Panther Power”, so the disambiguator “(song)” is redundant, so I moved the page. As you have noticed, there are still pages linking to Panther Power (song). That is not a problem, because it redirects users to the right page, which is the whole point of a redirect. I don’t know how to explain it better. If you think I should have updated all the links, write a proposal on WT:Redirect to repeal NOTBROKEN. Gorobay (talk) 17:55, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

"Unnecessary disambiguation" at Alan Hall[edit]

I just wanted to make sure that you were aware of this discussion. The "born 1952" was added so that the notable biologist Alan Hall's article would not again be contaminated with material about the not-quite-as-notable Alan Hall, also a biologist. It is my understanding that they were not born in the same year, which potentially makes the pre-emptive disambiguation useful. Samsara 15:37, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

I was not aware of that. I think disambiguation is not the right way to protect against confusion with a not-notable-enough-for-an-article topic. Gorobay (talk) 15:57, 11 March 2015 (UTC)


Hi, most of your moves seem fine, but can I ask please don't add this template to redirects, when you do this it prevents moves being reverted by WP:BRD, thank you In ictu oculi (talk) 08:30, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry but did you not see this message? In ictu oculi (talk) 10:39, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

The following moves are not uncontroversial and should be reverted pending a RM, can you revert please:

  • Talk:Green Council (Hong Kong) to Talk:Green Council (unnecessary disambiguation) (revert)
  • The GC (TV series) to The GC over redirect (unnecessary disambiguation)
  • Jorge Rios (cyclist) to Jorge Rios (unnecessary disambiguation) (revert)
  • Twelve West (building) to Twelve West (unnecessary disambiguation) (revert)
  • Lady Thetis (wreck) to Lady Thetis (unnecessary disambiguation) (revert)
  • Powdered corn cob (rodenticide) to Powdered corn cob (unnecessary disambiguation) (revert)
  • Kim Young-jae (actor) to Kim Young-jae (unnecessary disambiguation) (revert)
  • Ćao zdravo (song) to Ćao zdravo (unnecessary disambiguation) (revert)
  • Research Institute for Groundwater (Egypt) to Research Institute for Groundwater (unnecessary disambiguation) (revert)
  • Penny Cooper (field hockey) to Penny Cooper (unnecessary disambiguation) (revert)
I did see the message, and I tried hard to find subjects you had not warned me off before (e.g. albums) and which could not possibly be seen as ambiguous. When I moved one that I thought qualified, I added the template because that is the whole point of the template. You can list these at Wikipedia:RM#Requests to revert undiscussed moves. Gorobay (talk) 11:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Categories for discussion[edit]

Hi, you tagged three categories for speedy renaming on 4 February,[1] but you did not list them at WP:CFDS. Please do so now. – Fayenatic London 17:09, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! – Fayenatic London 17:34, 29 April 2015 (UTC)