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Hello, Gorobay, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{help me}} before the question. Again, welcome!  :: œ 08:41, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Let me add to the welcome above. It seems you are quite familiar with complex template coding so I am assuming you are not new here? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:26, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

I have edited as an IP for a few years, so I know my way around. Gorobay (talk) 16:47, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
You can say that agai:n. I think the categories you are creating should be subcategories of Category:Redirects from alternative languages and I don't see why they should be hidden? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:13, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
On second thoughts, perhaps it is appropriate that they are hidden. There is also Template:Redirect category which may be useful for these categories. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:17, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
I'll put them in Category:Redirects from alternative languages. I did not use {{Redirect category}} because I did not know what template should be; e.g. template=R from alternative language{{!}}de for German? Gorobay (talk) 12:50, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
What is the point of creating all these redirects? Redirects should be used for commonly used alternative terms or spellings. One could create millions of pointless redirects with foreign alphabet words for every Wikipedia article. Do you expect that readers do not know this is the English Wikipedia, or that they do not read English, but will somehow benefit from being redirected to an English language article when they type in a word in some other language and alphabet? Edison (talk) 21:03, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Who's creating redirects? I'm not creating any redirects.
I am editing redirects to give them categories. It wasn't my idea to make them, but someone thought they were worth creating. Maybe they are completely useless, but until they are deleted, they may as well go in the proper categories. Gorobay (talk) 21:08, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I popped up here because I saw your work at "Recent changes," and was under the mistaken impression you were creating a slew of redirects. I apologize. The talk page archives at WP:REDIRECT indicate that there is some consensus for having foreign alphabet redirects from the foreign version of the name of the article to the English article, particularly if it is a subject associated with the country where the alphabet is used. Such a redirect could be useful to a foreign person who is somewhat fluent in English, and might wish to read about the subject, but is not sure of the exact spelling or phrasing of the English name. Your categorization is useful work. If you could put in an edit summary that you are recategorizing a redirect, then "Recent changes" patrollers would not be led to click on the edit each time to see what you are doing. When a Recent changes patroller sees that someone has edited जनरेटर or whatever, the initial impression is that Wikipedia has acquired an article in need of translation (or perhaps deletion). An edit summary would be most helpful. Regards. Edison (talk) 21:30, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Okay, glad it was just a misunderstanding. I haven't been doing edit summaries because they slow the process down considerably. Is there a tool I can use to automatically set my edit summary? Gorobay (talk) 21:36, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Redirects from non-English language terms[edit]

Category:Redirects from non-English language terms, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 18:27, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar time[edit]

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For creating all those useful unicode redirects. Nice job! Yunshui (talk) 12:59, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Foreign-language Redirects[edit]

Okay, I got it. Azure Dragon of the East (talk) 17:09, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

You Are a Winner![edit]

Congratulations, Gorobay for finding this edit to Ŭ! You are the first winner of my Alpha Challenge! Your prize is this giant alpha:


Redirects from Chinese[edit]

Done! Stormedelf (talk) 06:39, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

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Please explain[edit]

This edit Removed Category:Unprintworthy redirects. Why? Please respond on my talk. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:49, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I removed the category because it was inconsistent with current practice used in thousands of similar redirects on two counts:
  • It used a category rather than {{R unprintworthy}}.
  • Redirects from alternative languages are not generally tagged for printworthiness. This redirect is no more unprintworthy than the rest.
Gorobay (talk) 00:37, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Zabranjeno Pušenje#Requested move[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Help me[edit]

Hi. I'm just waiting to correct the Cyrillic names of political parties, films, and singers. Could you help me to resolve them? --Daniyar Mukharbatanov (talk) 11:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

This edit (and possibly others); you may add more {{R from alternative language}} if you have much time. Thank you. --Daniyar Mukharbatanov (talk) 12:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
I have tagged all of your Cyrillic redirects with the appropriate languages. Feel free to tag them yourself if you create any more. With that said, I think you should not create any more redirects like Д. Ловато, for the same reason various transliterations of “Selena Gomez” are inappropriate. Gorobay (talk) 21:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Move redirects[edit]

Thanks for fixing my move redirects. Simply south...... flapping wings into buildings for just 6 years 13:10, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for improving some of my recent redirect updates too. I will try to remember the language parameters for {R from alternative language} in future. --Mirokado (talk) 14:08, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

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alveolar clicks[edit]

Thanks for fixing all the !'s in the Khoisan articles. However, I wonder about the page move to ǃKung language. If we're going to use the Unicode click symbol, then we should probably use the local orthography, which would be ǃXuun or ǃXũũ (plus perhaps tone diacritics). "!Kung" is the common English rendering of the name, and as such I would expect it to use a simple exclamation mark. Similarly Ekoka !Kung etc. ("!Xung", BTW, is an odd hybrid which is probably my fault. There is no actual "ng" in the native pronunciation.)

(The edits also left a fair number of new red links.) — kwami (talk) 17:11, 7 December 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing this. I seem to have botched the template twice and not even noticed the second time, which is a pretty bad mistake. I'll be more careful in the future. —Remember the dot (talk) 18:50, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Move done[edit]

Hi Gorobay, I fixed the move of United Nations Command for you. Did you know you could have done that yourself? As long as there are no edits in history, you can move over a redirect. Cheers, 20:58, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


Please refrain from moving articles on well-known paintings without discussion - see Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Requesting_controversial_and_potentially_controversial_moves. It is a nuisance to restore the titles. About half of Vermeer's output might be described as "Portrait of a Young Woman", which is not even the name that the museum uses. Also see WP:VAMOS on the titles of artwork articles. Thank you. Johnbod (talk) 15:09, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry; I didn't know it was controversial. I have read WP:VAMOS, but I do not see the problem. If the painting is not called Portrait of a Young Woman, it should be moved to its true name. Since there are no other Vermeer paintings called Portrait of a Young Woman on Wikipedia, the "New York" disambiguator was unnecessary. Gorobay (talk) 17:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
To avoid ambiguity it is not enough to say there is no other other article title that is exactly the same, when most Vermeers, like many old paintings have several alternative titles, none of them especially authoritative, as the works had no actual original title (let alone one in English), and all the titles have been given to them by museums and art historians subsequently. Vamos goes into the issue of the extra degree of disambiguation that is often necessary to avoid ambiguity in the titles of paintings articles: "If the title is not very specific, or refers to a common subject, add the surname of the artist in brackets afterwards, e.g. Reading the Letter (Picasso). It is generally better to disambiguate by the artist's name than by medium, as there may be other paintings or sculptures of the same name by other artists. If the artist painted several works with the same, or very similar, titles, add the location of the work if it is in a public collection. For example, Annunciation (van Eyck, Washington), as van Eyck painted several Annunciations. A title such as Madonna and Child (Raphael) is of little use (see Category:Raphael Madonnas). The names of less well-known artists may not be suitable disambiguation terms." Johnbod (talk) 18:38, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


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Request reason:

I am not a bot. If I were, would I make silly mistakes like Ctrl+V without the Ctrl? I realize I edit quickly, but that is only natural when I am creating multiple identical redirects. Gorobay (talk) 09:06, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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I've gone ahead and unblocked, but please consider slowing down. You may want to use WP:AWB to make these edits and possibly open a separate bot account for doing that. Mass page creation tends to be problematic here and has resulted in some editors getting into trouble. Rschen7754 09:25, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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Are you using any form of automation, such as scripts? If not, how are you making all these edits? --Rschen7754 09:13, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
I am not using automation, but I will be more cautious henceforth. Gorobay (talk) 09:30, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

A magnifying glass[edit]

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To creator and fixer of redirects from exotic characters. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 17:14, 6 March 2013 (UTC)


I have reverted your change to 🔔 because targeting the redirect page was the outcome of an RFD. If you want it to be targetted somewhere else please either take it to WP:DRV or start a new WP:RFD. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 06:15, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


Just curious, Gorobay, about your usage of the {{R from Unicode}} template on pages such as this one. The reason I ask is that I thought that template should only be used on /doc pages, as per its own /doc page. Actually, when you boil it all down, even the Latin letters like A, B, C are on the List of Unicode characters, so I think that template is now only good for /doc pages. Or have you found another use for it? a use that isn't like the redirect shortcut I linked to above? – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 18:30, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

The template is for listing Wikipedia’s Unicode redirects, which are not everything listed at List of Unicode characters. {{R from Unicode}}’s documentation says there is special handling when it is used on a /doc subpage, not that the template should only be used for subpages. Gorobay (talk) 20:01, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
That makes sense, Gorobay, and I see by your recent contributions that you do a great job of categorizing pages! All those edits make sense to me. I still wonder, though, about shortcuts like the one I noted above. The title of the redirect is "Wikipedia:H". All of those characters are on the Unicode list, but does your "R from Unicode" refer to all of those characters? Where is the discernment from every other redirect we use? Was it the "colon (:)" you were referring to? Wasn't R from Unicode once used for diacritics? And we have {{R from diacritics}} for that now. – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 19:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
It refers to the “H”. The idea was that “Wikipedia” was the namespace, “H” was the title, and the colon wasn’t important. I did that (and many similar redirects) a year ago, but now I have changed my mind: I don’t think it is appropriate anymore. I don’t know the history of {{R from Unicode}}, but you are right: it has a different purpose from {{R from diacritics}}. Gorobay (talk) 20:33, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Thank you very much, Gorobay! I've learned a lot from you! – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 00:47, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Unicode block vs unicode block[edit]

As I started thinking about the matter, my original interpretation fell apart under the weight of internal inconsistency, so I changed all the articles. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. VanIsaacWS Vexcontribs 04:24, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Redirects for Deletion – April 28[edit]

RFD Discussion

Hello, Gorobay. You may want to participate in the most recent RFD discussion concerning redirects from Unicode characters to the articles on the writing systems to which they belong. Particularly, this discussion involves the redirects from Vai syllabary characters, although the underlying purpose of their proposed deletion could soon expand to include characters from all Unicode aliases—many of which are redirects that you (← mostly) and I have created. In case this discussion is of any of your concern, I would recommend participating in it. Thank you.

    — |J~Pæst| 21:49, 28 April 2013 (UTC) (original RFD request by BabelStone (talk) 20:44, 28 April 2013 (UTC) )

Indic letter articles[edit]

Since you've commented on the {{Indic glyph}} template, and the deletion discussion for Devanagari ka, I thought you should know that I've just finished out the first quarter or so of the Ka (Indic) article. I've invited Kwami to work through that content, adding and cutting, and seeing if we can't work on having an archetype of this whole class of articles should look like. Please comment at the template, article, or Kwami's talk page, and we'll see if we can't start getting this content created. VanIsaacWS Vexcontribs 05:20, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Your removals of "R from Unicode" from various redirects[edit]

Hi Gorobay,

I reverted a number of edits where you removed the "R from Unicode" categorization from redirects, although these redirects were in fact redirects from the Unicode representation to the more common (extended) ASCII representation. Can you explain what you were trying to accomplish by removing these Rcats? Thanks. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 22:01, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

{{R from Unicode}} is for redirects from individual Unicode characters, not from redirects which use such characters. Category:Redirects from Unicode characters contains the sort of redirects this template is meant for. Gorobay (talk) 22:58, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Well, I see your point now, but I'm still not sure if it's valid one.
Template:R template index lists "R from Unicode" as kind of opposite to "R from ASCII" (which may not be properly defined in itself, but clearly is/was meant for strings, not only single characters). Neither there or in the template's documentation can I find a statement that "R from Unicode" would be meant for individual Unicode characters only. Even the description at Category:Redirects from Unicode characters does not make this clear, although it uses the word "character".
In either way, the reason why I added this Rcat to these redirects was to make it more obvious for other editors that these redirects do not use the standard representation of characters as they would result from typing the title under most Western keyboard layouts without using special tools to input Unicode characters. At least in my environment, both representations of µ are totally indistinguishable on screen, and I will have to use a hex editor in order to find out which code point was actually used by someone else. When I was working on the NEC µPD articles a while ago, this actually caused some confusion as some articles were created under the "extended ASCII form" whereas others used the "Unicode form" originally, and I was wondering why some links remained red although the corresponding articles existed. That's why I created this set of redirects.
Do you know another template like "R from title with Unicode characters" similar to "R from title without diacritics", "R from transliteration" etc.? --Matthiaspaul (talk) 10:15, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Template:R template index was wrong; I have fixed it. I don’t know of any template that means exactly what you want. You might use {{R from alternative spelling}}. If that is insufficiently precise, you can create a new template. Gorobay (talk) 14:26, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Then let's use "R from alternative spelling" for now. Sorry for the late reply, I'm rather busy right now... --Matthiaspaul (talk) 10:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

"Unnecessary disambiguation" Comment[edit]

Hi Gorobay, I see you have moved a number of German articles to remove the disambiguator. Please be a little careful because in each case there is a reason for it. For example there is a village called Lopau on the Luneburg Heath as well as the Lopau river; it's just that we have yet to create the former article. When I translate these articles from German Wiki, I usually leave the disambiguator in because, sooner or later I, or someone else, will translate the other articles from which they need disambiguating. If you're not sure, do ask the editors involved - we're always happy to help. --Bermicourt (talk) 22:07, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I’ll stop moving them. Gorobay (talk) 22:27, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

100 yard dash[edit]

You just renamed the article by adding the hyphen. Why? Are you now going to damage all of our athletics, swimming or other distance related events across wikipedia by adding a hyphen to each of them? We are describing a distance run. The hyphen is unnecessary and improper. Trackinfo (talk) 00:00, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

The article referred to the event as a “100-yard dash”, and now the title is consistent with the body. Similar titles include 40-yard dash and 440-yard dash. Per well-established English usage, this is not improper. See WP:HYPHEN and WP:AGF. Gorobay (talk) 02:36, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Actually we are talking about number, measurements. Where in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Numbers does it say to hyphenate? You found a couple of obscure articles that might not have been corrected to follow MOS, the are hundreds to thousands that disagree. You are going in the wrong direction. And don't pull that AGF crap. Trackinfo (talk) 05:23, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Unit names says When they form a compound adjective, values and unit names should be separated by a hyphen: for example, a five-day holiday. “100-yard” is a compound adjective. The hyphenless alternative is “100 yards dash”. Gorobay (talk) 12:57, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
You found the answer yourself. That was using text, which is discouraged. By MoS we call our events by numerical values. 100 yards is a measurement. We don't call it the hundred yard dash. Trackinfo (talk) 19:22, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
The same MoS also includes the example twelve 90-minute volumes, i.e. it doesn’t matter whether the number is written with letters or with digits. This is perfectly consistent with WP:HYPHEN, which I encourage you to read. Gorobay (talk) 20:44, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
You're going to have to get much more specific than to point to a full article and claim it tells you to do something like this. There is a convoluted section on measurement, but you're going to need to show where measurement values need to be hyphenated. If you persist in this line of thinking, you will potentially damage thousands of established article names. Trackinfo (talk) 17:33, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Budōkan karate[edit]

Please move this article back to the disambiguated title, and change the resultant redirect to point to Budokan, an appropriate disambiguation page. The macron is insufficient disambiguation, and an obscure minor style of karate is hardly the primary topic. If anything, the Tokyo arena should be the target if the redirect, and the undisambiguated title, as it is clearly the primary topic. oknazevad (talk) 16:59, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

That all sounds reasonable. Go ahead. Gorobay (talk) 17:26, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
All done. Thanks. oknazevad (talk) 17:33, 5 February 2014 (UTC)



I notice you added Template:R from symbol back to . You are correct that not all symbols are Unicode characters, but I realized today that all Unicode characters are symbols and that Category:Redirects from Unicode characters is a subcategory of Category:Redirects from symbols. It seems like classifying a redirect with Template:R from Unicode is enough to indicate both that it is a symbol and that it is specifically a Unicode character.


Beland (talk) 21:13, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I realized right after I saved the change that I wrote my edit summary backwards. What I meant to say is that not all Unicode characters are symbols (for all but the vaguest definition of “symbol”). There are also letters and numbers, for example. I hadn’t realized that one category is a subcategory of the other. That is wrong. Gorobay (talk) 21:35, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Hmm, you also see "R from symbol" used for e,g, Γ ray, where Γ is a letter, but it's a Greek letter in an English phrase. Maybe we should discuss on Wikipedia talk:Categorizing redirects; I'll start a thread there. -- Beland (talk) 00:04, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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Anipoli & Alesk[edit]

Can you please consider reverting the move? As with most Hasidic dynasty articles, the name of the dynasty is the Yiddish name of the shtetl where its founder lived; Anipoli should redirect to Hannopil', the name of the town, while the Hasidic dynasty article should be at the original title. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 19:02, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

The same goes for Alesk. Both towns have a long Jewish history, and the Jewish name of the town should redirect to the article about the town (or, where available, the article or or section about the history of the town's Jews), not to an article about one family of rabbis from the town. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 19:05, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
It depends on whether, in English, “Anipoli” and “Alesk” primarily refer to the dynasties or to the towns. You know more about this topic than I do, so please do revert my edits if appropriate. Gorobay (talk) 19:10, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
It's somewhat ambiguous: both towns are usually mentioned in reference to famous rabbis who lived there, e.g. "Zusha of Anipoli", which, I feel, refers more to the town than to the dynasty.
As for reverting your edits, I would do so myself, but I now need to request the move, as you've edited the redirect, so I wanted to discuss it with you first. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 19:24, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
I've requested a technical move. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 18:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Decision Sciences (journal)[edit]

Hi, Decision Sciences is a field of study (and now that it exists, should be redirected to an appropriate target, such as decision making). Decision Sciences is an academic journal and should therefore have a dab. I'd appreciate if you could revert this move. Similarly, we have anti-cancer drug, which redirects to chemotherapy, but anti-cancer drugs now goes to a journal article. This should properly also go to chemotherapy and Anti-Cancer Drugs should be moved back to Anti-Cancer Drugs (journal). Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 16:44, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

According to WP:DIFFCAPS, it is acceptable to differentiate titles only by capitalization. The fields of study are not titlecased, whereas the journals are, so there is no need to disambiguate. Gorobay (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, but I think you need to read that again. You are moving pages to remove dabs, but you are not putting any hatnotes where necessary. If a reader searcher for anti-cancer drugs, they are most likely not searching for a scientific journal... Likewise anybody searching for "decision sciences". DIFFCAPS states that caps can be used to differentiate pages if that doesn't create confusion. Me thinks you're creating confusion here. --Randykitty (talk) 18:30, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Good work[edit]

...on finding and nominating all those unlikely Cyrillic redirects. — Scott talk 17:34, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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Gorobay old darling can't you list Greek stupidies in in groups? I know I have been told I forget by whom that they must be all discussed individually. Patently they are all of a pattern and should be rubber-stamped as delete, and you yourself point out the exceptions when you think there is any doubt on those that you list: but most are not in doubt and I am fed up with doing elegant variation on these. Thanks for finding them but don't do a second flood: we have another one going at WP:RFD with nicknames of teams in the National Football League (whatever that is, some America thing apparently). I can't sep them out because you have been canny to write a very slightly different comment under each, that has the same meaning. If tha is your intent, then well done, you succeeded: I can't group them cos I won't remove your comments. You could, though.

Si Trew (talk) 23:56, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

A reasonable editor could conceivably disagree with me about one RfD and not another, so I list them separately. I don’t think it matters much either way. Feel free to consolidate my nominations if you find them untidy.
And, for the record, most of my comments are identical. Gorobay (talk) 00:42, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, most are, most say "Not especially Greek". I kinda misunderstood that at first: and thanks very much for hunting them down. Hellenic Wikipedia doesn't have most of these articles and they are not Interwiki'd but looking up EL:WP I tend to find nothing: that is not our fault. But for external search engines to mislead Greek speakers into the tar pit that is English Wikipedia must be a bit of a WP:SURPRISE.
So I am with you all the way, just wondering if there is a better way to list them French: en masse. Maybe I didn't put it elegantly, but obviously you know what you are up to and will point out any exceptions that you think need discussion. Si Trew (talk) 05:40, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
By the way I thought I had said but appear not to have, thank you very much for your contributions to Wikipedia. That sounds trite written but one day we will have a beer or a drop of pálinka and I can thank you properly. Your help in improving this encylopaedia is noticed by at least one other editor. Sincerely Si Trew (talk) 05:44, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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Roman gentes and disambiguation[edit]

Until now, all Roman gens articles shared the same titling format, making it easy to identify and link to them from articles concerning members. The disambiguation "(gens)" contained in the title also distinguished the articles from individual members; all of the women in a gens would share the name of the gens as a nomen. While there are some smaller gens articles with no individual biographies of women members at this point, it's entirely possible that there may be in the future, which would require moving these articles back over the redirects just created (and thus administrator assistance).

A persistent problem with existing Roman biographical articles is their inconsistent naming and organization; for instance a number of individuals might be referred to as "Sempronia," and each of them might be entitled to a separate article. But several of them are (or at one time were) lumped together into a single article, for no better reason than that they shared the same name. Others who also shared that name have their own articles, thanks to other methods of disambiguation. There is no systematic organization to the titling and contents of Roman biographical articles; hence the use of consistent disambiguation for the gens articles, as a remedy for some of these issues. Please consider moving the articles back to their original titles. P Aculeius (talk) 15:42, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Briers (surname)[edit]


I see you moved page Briers (surname) to Briers over redirect ‎(Remove unnecessary disambiguation (per typical name conventions)).

For consistency, should we move Brier (surname) to Brier?

Thanks for your assistance Gjs238 (talk) 12:21, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Short answer: no. The convention is to only include the disambiguator if the surname alone is ambiguous. There is no other article on Wikipedia named “Briers”, so adding “(surname)” is not necessary. On the other hand, Brier exists, so the surname article needs to be called Brier (surname). If you look at Category:Surnames you will see that most surname articles have no disambiguator.
Now, I see you have added some non-surname entries to Briers, so in this particular case it is no longer a surname article. If those surnames are ever split off into their own article, that article should be called Briers (surname). Gorobay (talk) 12:31, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

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For fixing up the tons of surname disambiguation pages. Sure, it's creating more work for me with all the G6 deletions, but it's something (tedious) that needs to be done. Thanks! Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 20:24, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
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August 2014[edit]

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