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9 April 2014

Isn't it time...

...you applied for adminship again? I'd support... Hell, I'd even co-nom (although you may wish to review if that is a good idea)! LessHeard vanU 00:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... given your comments at Majorly's re-RfA I think the time is doubly right! ;~) LessHeard vanU 01:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
You considered answering this? (I just revisited your RfA - how things have changed, and things are the same.) LessHeard vanU (talk) 15:25, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

66.176.85.30 05:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Greetings

We talked on IRC once; thanks for your help there. I was Jackrm, if you remember. I recently changed my username to Jack. Anyway, hi, thanks etc. :) -- Jack is celebrating his birthday! 06:06, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Faulty grammar

Your message to me re Sierra Mist started "in regards to..." This is not correct. You give someone your regards; you write in regard to such and such a thing. I hope this information is useful to you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.154.235.151 (talk) 06:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Cluebot Rollback Discussion

I think you misunderstood the intention, I think the point was not to create a new group specifically for one user(bot in this case)[1] but it would become the "poster bot" for future users who would benefit from the feature but aren't ready for the whole mop yet. Alternatively, Cobi has stated[2] that creating a new group wasn't necessary. Both points seem to be up for discussion at the same time, from what I gather. Cheers! --Charitwo talk 23:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

First Edit

Happy First Edit Day

Edit day.svg Happy First Edit Day, Gracenotes, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day!
  • FROM YOUR FRIEND:

--  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:05, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

:O HAS IT REALLY BEEN TWO YEARS?
...answer: no, because you weren't there for most of the first...
Nobody ever wishes me happy first edit day :/ – Gurch 05:08, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

classification of admins

Don't think I don't understand jokes. Part of my wokr here was cleaning up joke articles so that they did not fall victims of joke deletion spree raging some time ago in wikipedia. Still, joke or no joke, classifying someone's name as "boring" or "nonsense" is a personal insult. Period. Stop in tracks. No. We have enough real drama here. `'Míkka>t 05:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Lolferret

Lolfrettchen.jpg

Gurch 05:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

CEILING GRACENOTES IS ALREADY AWARE OF UR IMAGE. continues to watch Category:Lolcats intently GracenotesT § 05:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Ceilingderhexer-en.jpg
Gurch 06:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
OH DEAR GOD. You, sir, win an arbitrarily large number of internets. GracenotesT § 06:35, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Defaultsort

Doh! Thanks for going and fixing my DEFAULTSORT templates. I somehow never noticed those are supposed to be done with a colon instead of a pipe. —Caesura(t) 19:11, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem—thanks for cleaning up the articles in the first place! =] GracenotesT § 19:19, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

:O

What does that change you made to my userpage do? – Gurch (talk) 01:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I coded you a CSS attribute... but you reverted it! :'( :'( :'( Compare:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

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and

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

I changed the former to the latter. GracenotesT § 01:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah. Well, that seems OK provided I don't have anything too wide to see... I'll add it back for now – Gurch (talk) 03:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Amelvand bug?

There seems to be an error in amelvand that makes date subtraction end up with statements such as "Latest warning was left -59 minutes and -35 seconds ago." Any ideas? —Animum § 02:50, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hm. This is probably due to daylight saving time. GracenotesT § 02:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmm. If daylight saving time expired in October, why are dates just now changing? It seems that JavaScript isn't the problem, but the mediawiki dates are 1 hour ahead... At any rate, I'm confused as heck right now. :-PAnimum § 15:41, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Hm... so am I. I'll implement a temporary fix (see also: voodoo programming :P). GracenotesT § 18:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Template-affecting software change?

Can you explain what is going to happen with Template:Backlognav? Can the problem be fixed? Mangojuicetalk 05:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and probably not. #ifexist is a parser function. It can be used like so:
{{#ifexist:The weather in London|Exists|Doesn't exist}} = Exists
Each #ifexist represents a database look up: a query is sent to a database server to see if a page exists. In most other operations, database queries are limited in some way or another. For example, the total size of all of the templates on a page cannot exceed 2048000 bytes. If I transcluded WP:MOS in an article 100 times, only the first 18 transclusions would actually work. This is a safeguard to ensure that people don't overwork the servers and prevent other users from viewing content. (i.e., a Denial of Service attack.)
Werdna explains this a bit better than me, so I'll quote him here (see WP:VPT):

think submitting a page filled with ifexist statements to the article size limit. Each one takes 3ms, it's 19 characters per check, this could fill an article up to 2MB, so we get a finished article of something like 100,000 requests. This would tie up one quarter of one of our ten $12,000 database servers for five minutes.

Basically, allowing an unlimited number of #ifexist calls is a security risk, so developers have capped it at 100 per page. Any calls past that break. Template:Backlognav contains quite a few #ifexist calls, and the only way to use it without having it break is to transclude only one or two or it per page. If this is fine with you, feel free to revert my changes to {{Backlognav}}. But at nearly 3000 calls, {{CSD/Subcategories}} is not salvageable. GracenotesT § 06:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Mangojuice: oops, it looks like you already know most of the above (since you designed the backlog template in the first place). Never mind the initial paragraphs, then. GracenotesT § 07:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, I didn't know the server issue it was causing. Crap. Okay, what we really need here is a bot, I think, rather than a template. There's no reason for those templates to be calculated over and over every time someone wants to see the display; instead, a system like is in place at WP:AFD/Old would be much better. Mangojuicetalk 22:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Just a heads-up - I'm pretty determined to get this down under 100. I'll be working on the backlog templates tonight quite a bit. --- RockMFR 06:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It's a useful template, it appears. But perhaps backlog-checking shouldn't go back 23 days? The template checks the category 23 days ago, then 22, then 21, etc. GracenotesT § 06:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Down to 102 :) Template:Shortcut is adding 2 of them, unneccessarily IMO. This too can be fixed, but a bot will need to fix all current calls to use {{Shortcut|WP:V}} rather than {{Shortcut|[[WP:V]]}}. --- RockMFR 07:39, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Rollback issue

Thanks for providing the script. I've got one problem: I haven't the slightest clue what to do with it, or where to copy it, or anything else! Could you please explain what I'm supposed to do with it? Nyttend 05:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

You can put it in your monobook.js page. Every registered user has a monobook.js page, and if you use the monobook skin (the one with the grey background and Wikipedia globe in the top-left corner), JavaScript code in the page is executed every time you view a page on Wikipedia. (See Wikipedia:Monobook for more information.) To install the code, copy-and-paste it to your monobook.js, located at User:Nyttend/monobook.js. Then, bypass your cache to ensure that your browser is using the most recent copy of your monobook.js page – you should do this every time you edit it. It's not a good idea to install scripts from random strangers, but the code I posted has been reviewed, I've written scripts for other people before, etc.
If you don't use Internet Explorer, I could give you a different version of the script that prompts for an optional custom edit summary (which would be bug-prone in IE). GracenotesT § 22:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. I've got one more problem: although I saw the code on the page, somehow it's been deleted from the history of the VP technical page; supposedly the last edit I made to it was several days earlier on an unrelated point. Could you email the text to me? Thanks! Nyttend 23:53, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Aha, that's my problem; I thought it was on the technical page, not on the proposals page! Thanks for letting me know. Nyttend 06:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Grace

The talk page is fixed now. Cheers! >Radiant< 22:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Oh dearie me... does Conservapedia actually object vehemently to our "non-professional" usernames? And not even do the actual homework to find a handful of usernames that are even funny? What is the world coming to... >Radiant< 23:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Twinklefluff

Hi Grace, you redirected the twinkle fluff talk page without actually adding the changes I suggested. I was wondering if there was a reason for it? Thanks. Redrocketboy 20:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Help! Twinkle and your Script Integration

Hi,

Can you team up with Twinkle and integrate your fast reverting into the script so that I can use javascript features, when I tried loading both your script and Twinkles onto my monobook.js file, it removed both of them!

I would really appreciate it if you could do this! And it would be an amazing improvement to both Twinkle, and your own Script!

The Helpful One (Talk) (Contributions) 23:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

In my tests, it looks like Twinkle and Amelvand are compatible. May I suggest including Amelvand before Twinkle in your monobook.js, since while both scripts check the first line of a diff's second column, Twinkle modifies it (making Amelvand's reading of it inaccurate). They are separate scripts, however, and a merge is not too likely. GracenotesT § 03:33, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Statement regarding Durova/!! matter

FYI, I am alerting user's who have voted to oppose based on my comments about the Durova matter that I have written a longer statement regarding my views on the matter which I hope clarifies a few points of apparent misunderstanding. See User:JoshuaZ/Statement regarding Durova and !!. Thanks. JoshuaZ (talk) 02:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Useight's RFA

I just wanted to say thanks for your support in my RFA which passed with a final tally of 70/1/0. Your comments about my contributions was greatly appreciated. Useight (talk) 08:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Your Rollback-module

Hello. :) I use your rollback module in my monobook.js. It's very good, because it's so fast. :) But everytime when I press restore revision the page is added to my watchlist. Can I turn that off? That would be very great. :) Thanks —αἰτίας discussion 20:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Sure! Changed here – please bypass your cache. I suppose I'll make this customizable, since I tend to like watching articles I revert. Cheers, GracenotesT § 20:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you a lot - I changed it in my monobook.js too. Another question: Can there be a text set, wich is added to the edit-summary by every revert? This would be great, too. :) Regards, —αἰτίας discussion 21:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
add: For example something like "(see User:Aitias/FAQ)" —αἰτίας discussion 21:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. After importScript("User:Gracenotes/amelvand.js"), try:

AmelPrefs.set("summarySuffix", " (see [[User:Aitias/FAQ]])");

GracenotesT § 22:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, thanks, thanks! :) Very nice. :) Regards, —αἰτίας discussion 22:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome :) At the moment, your custom summary might clash with the summary text in both Twinkle and Amelvand: for example, "Restored revision 1234567890 by Example(see also FAQ)". If you want to change that, you could add a space before "(see", i.e. " (see" – unless the current spacing is intentional, in which case, never mind that I said anything. GracenotesT § 22:28, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the hint. Is it better so? :) —αἰτίας discussion 22:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Nothing's wrong with either version, per se, but I think the summary might look "cleaner" with that extra little space :) Cheers, GracenotesT § 22:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, of course, you are right. I would have a question to twinkle, maybe you'll have an answer ;). Do you know, why people, who edited a page, are informed automatically, when I set a CSD, although I have set:
openUserTalkPageOnSpeedyDelete  : false, ... I have tried it with openUserTalkPageOnSpeedyDelete  : [], too; but it didn't stop. Can you help me again? Would be very nice. :) Thanks and best regards, —αἰτίας discussion 22:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
false should work there – did you clear your cache after implementing the change? GracenotesT § 23:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I cleared the chace, of course... Hmm... —αἰτίας discussion 23:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually, taking a look at the documentation, [] should be the appropriate value. I can't find the text "openUserTalkPageOnSpeedyDelete" in User:AzaToth/twinklespeedy.js at all, however, and the code that notifies the user does not look like it's optional. GracenotesT § 23:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Hm, I had "[]" before, but it didn't help... Thanks for your help. :) —αἰτίας discussion 23:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Rollback for non-administrators proposal#Newbie Question

Hey Gracenotes, I think the user was wanting a really basic answer to his question - he think twinkle uses rollback. Could you answer him in very simple terms? Talking about the edit screen being bypassed with rollback? You're the best person for this job! Cheers, Ryan Postlethwaite 23:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about that. I see you've addresses this concern – thanks :) GracenotesT § 01:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

I don't think I'd ever included a URL in a prod before, so thats probably what tripped up the values. Thanks for the advise on the equal sign. It worked correctly when I added that. Mbisanz (talk) 08:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Username Disambiguation needed!

Hi there. Are you the same person as User:Grace Note? If so, no problem; but I just thought I should alert you that an account by that name exists, and whether intentionally or not, it is obviously very similar to your own. I believe usernames are generally not allowed if they are too similar to that of an existing user; if this one isn't an alternate account of yours, perhaps you should challenge it at Requests for comment/username? Terraxos (talk) 01:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that's required, a lot of people are aware of the difference between users. Either way, it's not going to lead to a block, so there's no point in WP:RFCN. It would be a good idea if Gracenotes put a small disambig on his userpage however. Ryan Postlethwaite 01:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict'd) Thank you for your concern. Grace Note and I are distinct individuals. The similarity in our user names was brought up quite a long time ago at ANI; since Grace Note (talk · contribs) is no longer active in Wikipedia, it's certainly not as much of a concern as it once was. I use this handle, and variations of it, elsewhere on the internet, and I'm sure the same is true of Grace Note. I hope you won't mind if I keep this user name and Grace Note keeps hers (or his?), as we have both been "existing users" for some time :) GracenotesT § 01:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. I saw that the account is basically inactive, so it doesn't seem like much of a problem, but I just thought I'd let you know about it in case you didn't already. (I was concerned you might have an impostor, but it appears that's not the case.) Terraxos (talk) 05:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

The edit summary

"uphold "cute" result of RFD.. Pointless edit; stop reading this edit summary *now* if you can"

I have been staring at that edit summary aimlessly for the past 9 hours.... I can't seem to stop! HELP! -- Cat chi? 13:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 3

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Thank you for your participation in my RfA, and your thoughtful question. I definitely paid close attention to everything that was said in the debate, and, where possible, I will try to incorporate the (constructive) criticism towards being a better administrator. For now though, especially because of the holidays and all the off-wiki distractions, I am going to take it slowly -- I'm working my way through the Wikipedia:New admin school, double-checking the relevant policies, and will gradually phase into the use of the new tools. I sincerely doubt you'll see anything controversial coming from my new access level. My main goals are to help out with various backlogs, though I also fully intend to keep on writing articles, as there are a few more that I definitely want to get to WP:FA status. If you do ever have any concerns about my activities as an administrator, I encourage you to let me know. My door is always open. --Elonka 20:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

You're invited!

...to the next New York City Meetup!

NYFreiheitsstatue2.jpg New York City Meetup


Next: Sunday January 13th, Columbia University area
Last: 11/3/2007
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In the morning, there are exciting plans for a behind-the-scenes guided tour of the American Museum of Natural History.

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to discussing meta:Wikimedia New York City issues (see the last meeting's minutes).

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and (weather permitting) hold a late-night astronomy event at Columbia's telescopes.

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 01:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply to your comment at talk page

I replied to you, at the non-admin rollback discussion page. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 17:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

huggles

'cos I know you need 'em – Gurch 08:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Need some template wisdom

Hi Gracenotes, I know you're good with templates and technical stuff so I'm wondering if you could drop by at Template:Phh:Edit_summary. There's a discussion on the talk page wondering what the heck this template is about and whether it should be deleted, and if so how. Cheers, Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 07:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

WikBack

Please be sure to click on the link emailed to you by the forum server to activate your account. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 22:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)