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May 2013[edit]

Stop icon This is your last warning. The next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Melayu Kingdom, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.  Dravidian  Hero  17:04, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I recently had a discussion about bumiputeras with an Indonesian guy. So maybe I am bit over sensitive with Malays now, but looking at your contribution incl allegations of Tamil nationalism targeting non-Tamil writers only, it's pretty obvious that you are trying to cleanse Tamil culture from Malaysia, bumiputera style. And let me tell you the difference between etymology and dictionary. Etymology follows the history of the word looking for the real meaning, and a dictionary simply lists words of a language with the present meaning. There are however "etymological dictionaries" you could use. So unless you have no source like the listed ones, don't insert your original research. You should use the talkpage of the articles to discuss any possible changes.-- Dravidian  Hero  12:13, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Bangladesh–Indonesia relations[edit]

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MATAKIN[edit]

Can you translate this article into English or at least create a stub on English wikipedia?

http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majelis_Tinggi_Agama_Konghucu_Indonesia

I have an English language source I want to use here

The Origins of Confucianism as an Organized Religion in Java, 1900-1923 Charles A. Coppel Journal of Southeast Asian Studies Vol. 12, No. 1, Ethnic Chinese in Southeast Asia (Mar., 1981), pp. 179-196 Published by: Cambridge University Press Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/20070420

Rajmaan (talk) 21:46, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

bilateral articles[edit]

Firstly good work on creating many notable articles. However, please avoid blatant POV in articles such as "Both the countries have many cultural proximities and similar view on international issues" or have cordial relations etc. thanks. LibStar (talk) 13:40, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

you've used " both nations enjoys cordial and friendly relationship" at least 5 times, this is blatant POV. I also note you've added a few uncited statements to new articles, please provide citations or I will remove. Thanks. LibStar (talk) 13:49, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

copyright violation[edit]

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June 2013[edit]

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. LibStar (talk) 14:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I know you keep creating new articles but have you considered spending your time on fixing up the significant copyright violations on articles already created? I'm still finding a lot. LibStar (talk) 08:31, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
hi, I've noticed you've continued to create new articles, whilst that is fine, it would be appreciated if you fix up some of your old articles. thanks. LibStar (talk) 06:42, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Oops, sorry![edit]

I accidentally removed the rendang infobox! Thanks for reverting it back.--Rochelimit (talk) 11:18, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Copyright problem: Indonesia–Iran relations[edit]

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Copyright problem: Indonesia–Uzbekistan relations[edit]

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the new "type" of monument[edit]

is, in my view, better than the "icon" version, but what is there now,

Buildings designed as landmarks, usually built with extraordinary feature such as tallest, largest or distinctive design – such as the Burj Khalifa, the world's tallest structure as the landmark of Dubai

is perhaps crossing the border into opinion and/or original research. It appears to me that this is a definition that you have generated pretty much on your own to keep that building in the monument category. It would be a good idea to add a reference to that type of monument, especially if it is going to be the first type. Read the definition that begins the monument article and then think about how this type fits it. I am not sure that it does. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:00, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Ways to improve Island resort[edit]

Hi, I'm Sulfurboy. Gunkarta, thanks for creating Island resort!

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Some issues[edit]

Some of the english in Australian-Indonesian relations is either by a machine or a non native speaker, lots of small bits need checking carefully - also Ngawen - very confusing in parts, repetitious and not enough citations or where the info comes from - but, dont give up, wikipedia can be a very unfriendly place at times, you just have to live with it. terlalu banyak londo kurang faham... dan lain lain... satusuro 09:08, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Ways to improve Indonesia–Suriname relations[edit]

Hi, I'm 1bandsaw. Gunkarta, thanks for creating Indonesia–Suriname relations!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. This is an interesting start for understanding the relationship of former colonies in the modern era. More sources would help provide a broader understanding.

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Help needed[edit]

Hi Gunkarta,

How do you say these phrases in Indonesian:


Thankyou very much for your wonderful translation effort!
I am very Grateful.
May you be blessed and be prosperous!
Yours sincerely,


--A-eng (talk) 09:30, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Inter-Ethnic Relations[edit]

I in no way meant to paint Indonesia as a violent society, and I apologize if it seemed like I was trying to do so. My objections to the sentence were simply premised off of what I believe to be confusing and contradictory elements within the sentence (which CorinneSD clarified). Sorry if I offended you!Rwenonah (talk) 18:55, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

mudah-mudahan[edit]

transcription dalam bahasa inggeris sekarang? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalasan_inscription

I recognise the first line, masih sama untuk orang buddha sekarang, tetapi - yang lain :)

please... satusuro 09:48, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

If you're feeling froggy[edit]

Check out Erwiana Sulistyaningsih. I started this a few days ago, it needs a better name and a little help in details. If you read the local languages maybe you as can help expand on the info and add some sources that I can't! If you can't or don't have time that's cool but since you edit in that area I thought it might make sense ;) Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:40, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Geologic Clock with events and periods.svg[edit]

Gunkarta, mengingat Anda dulu pernah bikin berkas svg tentang peta kekuasaan Majapahit, bisa nggak Anda bikin versi Bahasa Indonesia dari berkas ini ? Masalahnya berkas tersebut dipakai di artikel yang jadi AP sehingga sedikit janggal jika berkas tersebut masih berbahasa Inggris. Terima kasih --Erik Fastman (talk) 06:22, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

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Terima kasih atas pembuatan berkasnya, nih saya kasih Barnstar untuk Anda --Erik Fastman (talk) 15:02, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

name of 1999 massacres[edit]

What is the name of the 1999 massacres in Kalimantan against Madurese? It happened before the Sampit conflict, and involved both Malays and Dayaks attacking Madurese. A new article needs to be created about it. Or a general article called Anti-Madurese violence documenting all incidents of attacks on Madurese since the 1960s to today. Talk:Sampit_conflict. Rajmaan (talk) 20:30, 23 February 2014

Pictures[edit]

Hi Gunkarta,

I notice you have loads of picture of skycrappers in Jakarta, is it possible for you to help me to fulfil the image of this listing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Jakarta [User:Bungutebungute|Bungutebungute]](talk) 20:30, 23 February 2014

Hindu Buddhist[edit]

There should be an article linked for a category like that - as there are many issues as to what the dominant factors in any of those kingdoms were, and what evidence exists - some were more one way or the other as well. satusuro 12:43, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey I didnt want an essay of a reply - I was just suggesting we needed a link to an article for the category... (I was just this morning checking in a university library about the 'zaman pangeran diponegoro' - so please mohon maaf - tak mahu separti buku besar in reply) - just an idea of which article to link to....

And please what is the source for calling mataram=medang - it seems odd to me... satusuro 13:05, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Indonesian names[edit]

I saw your recent edits to Indonesian names. I think perhaps you have added too many Arabic names. I think there should just be a few. They are examples. I don't think an exhaustive list is necessary. CorinneSD (talk) 23:48, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

12 March 2014[edit]

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Ways to improve Tondano[edit]

Hi, I'm Jnanaranjan sahu. Gunkarta, thanks for creating Tondano!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Please add some references to the articles so that it will be considered as reliable.

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Halo mas Gun :)[edit]

Ya udahlah klo mank ga pantas untuk dimuat di wiki -_- tapi thx buat perhatiannya :D klo misal aq ada kesalahan grammar, bantu memperbaiki ya, thx :) Okkisafire (talk) 05:31, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Nggak apa2 kok. Cuman, aq kan kebiasaan menulis artikel tentang legenda begitu, jadi penelitiannya aq anggap saja sama spt legenda :D tapi seriusan nggak apa-apa. Okkisafire (talk) 07:10, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Gambar batik[edit]

Halo Mas Gun,

Terima kasih atas bantuan anda di artikel batik akhir-akhir ini. Saya sekarang tengah berbicara dengan User:Chiswick Chap agar artikel batik dapat menjadi Good Article. Menurutnya di User talk:Chiswick Chap, gambar utama yang sekarang itu kurang bagus karena batiknya sendiri menjadi kurang kelihatan dan lebih baik diganti menjadi gambar yang anda revert. Tapi memang saya juga kurang sreg dengan gambar itu sebagai gambar utama. Bagaimana kalau untuk sementara gambar utamanya diganti dulu, nanti kalau sudah jadi good article diganti balik? Saya tanya dulu biar gambarnya nanti gak gonta-ganti. Terima kasih Alteaven (talk) 13:13, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

No, we can't have an edit-war about the lead image and conspire to put it back how it was after the GA is done, that's not acceptable and would lead to a GAR to revoke the GA and possibly to additional measures, please don't even think about it. The current image is unattractive; the museum image not very informative. The featured image was better but in fact at only medium resolution. Perhaps we can find a better image; a composite could be a solution (3 or 4 batiks of different pattern), or an image of batik being made, provided some sort of pattern can be seen. I am scanning some photographs now; we may find something acceptable among them. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:41, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
@ Chiswick. Ok, terribly sorry about that ._." Let me know if you're finished Alteaven (talk) 14:38, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (May 18)[edit]

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Indonesia–Yemen relations[edit]

Hi Gunkarta, I need your help in the bilateral relations article "Indonesia–Yemen relations".

Asian cuisine / List of Asian cuisines[edit]

I note that you are a significant editor of Asian cuisine. Last year List of Asian cuisines was created, which duplicates the content and purpose of the Asian cuisine list article. Do you see any value in keeping both? The Asian cuisine list article is in a poor state with little information other than unsourced opinion, and is cluttered with too many images, and red links, while List of Asian cuisines is sourced, informative, and better organised. My feeling is that there is little content to be saved in Asian cuisine, and that it might be more useful to redirect the title to List of Asian cuisines (or vice versa). Essentially, keep one article, and work on that. What do you think? SilkTork ✔Tea time 18:44, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion[edit]

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I fail to understand what is your intention User:Lee788 on posting my own message for you in my own page? Gunkarta  talk  23:02, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Ki Hajar Dewantara[edit]

I worked on the article on Ki Hajar Dewantara in October 2013, but I've noticed that some material seems to have been added since then that was written by a non-native speaker of English. If you have time, perhaps you could work on this article to put it into standard English. Normally, I could do that, but it is so bad that I think someone familiar with Indonesian would do a better job. CorinneSD (talk) 16:12, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

list of monarchs of java[edit]

is quite a long list of rulers - some quite imaginary ( no WP:V, WP:RS or anything to support their existence ) - thanks for providing a link - any extra links where articles havent been linked is appreciated. if it was a good list - it should have small/brief summaries of the specific kingdom/monarchy/whatever - rather than links in the headings (which is not a WP:MOS accepted practice) - it would be much easier to understand. satusuro 08:42, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

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Sultanate of Mataram[edit]

The article is making so many claims for authority - with not a WP:CITE or WP:RS tied in anywhere. It might need to be very drastically edited. Indonesian history articles with inadequate referencing must comply with WP:V - not playful Indonesian etymology - that is we think this, therefore it is true - as an online encyclopedia, Sultanat of Mataram article has gone far too long unchecked. Selamat tahun baru satusuro 04:38, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

mohon maaf kalau saya terlalu keras dengan sejarah istimewa. My apology if I seem somewhat rough with lack of wp:cite. Also - it seems the old website joglosemar whatever, is no longer in existence, and many small articles used to rely on it - are you aware of alternative online history sources? satusuro 05:11, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Oh dear, kesulitan besar....
  • "Mataram, Historical kingdom, Indonesia". Encyclopaedia Britannica. Retrieved 1 January 2015.

We normally do not used EB as a source... very sorry, but, it is not a usual reference. Not too sure what to say. satusuro 01:53, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

  • Very sorry - the images of Senopati, Sultan Agung - are not what professional historians call valid images of the individuals - it is a long and complicated discussion if you want it - just because Indonesian persons think/believe that the images represent what the person look like, they are not considered valid. If you want the conversation, fine, if not, please do not re-insert. satusuro 02:24, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
  • OK there is a fine line/ tempat kesulitan ? / where adding that image is a serious problem, this is an english online encyclopedia project, and readers are going to believe that the image you have uploaded is valid.

For me to not revert your edits - you need to speak. Due to the very good safeguards we have on wp en - we have a range of guidelines regarding WP:AGF - however silence does not help. No response does not help. satusuro 02:41, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

OK - give me a few days - there are issues with a lot of things, but I do not have a whole day or long stretch of time to systematically go through the problem of the article - or the image of sultan agung - it might even take me a week or two to have the time to properly compose a rather complex argument/explanation.

Mohom maaf kalau saya offend over any sensitivity regarding javanese history - I am not an expert/ahli, but... satusuro 13:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

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I've fixed it. It will be expanded and elaborated soon. Gunkarta  talk  10:42, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Hello Gunkarta, and thanks for this article. It looks like you are using paragraphs from various Wikipedia articles as part of this article. This is perfectly fine, since Wikipedia content is free to re-use, but our license also requires attribution, that is: saying where that text came from so the edit history can be preserved. (Even if, as I've found, you were one of the original contributors of that text in the other articles, after a while other people edit it here and there, and it is that history we need to track.) So if I may ask, in future if you re-use content from other articles, if you can make the edit summary for that edit say something like "Content used from (article name), see that page for attribution" that's all that is needed to keep the license good.
  • I've gone through and identified some of those additions here and I can put tags on the talk page that do the same thing after-the-fact, so again no problem there. Thanks again for your work, and feel free to ask if you have any questions, CrowCaw 23:34, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Zheng He[edit]

You reverted the article to a version that said he was born in 1971. And the article clearly says, with reliable sources, "Zheng He was born into a Muslim family.[6][9][10] However, his religious beliefs became all-embracing and eclectic in his adulthood". So we can't call him a Muslim. Dougweller (talk) 10:45, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

February 2015[edit]

Information icon Please do not attack other editors, as you did on Talk:Soto (food). Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Huon (talk) 16:38, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't meant to, just his insistence and editing guerrilla just keep going on and on. Promised not to do it again. Gunkarta  talk  16:42, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

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