User talk:Gwernol/Archive 23

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Welcome back!

Nice to see you back here, and Happy Christmas. --John (talk) 15:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to you, and a Happy New Year. Ref (chew)(do) 19:00, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your message. I really hope you will be able to stay this time. We need good admins like yourself here. I was thinking of you today as I was flying around NYC in a light plane. It's a beautiful city. Take care and enjoy the holidays. --John (talk) 03:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
YAY! You are back! Your page had to be protected several times. :-P miranda 04:24, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back, I missed you! Happy New Year! NHRHS2010 Happy Holidays 23:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

RE: Michael Jackson

Sorry about adding that without your permission. I have added a discussion in the discussion area. Many people wonder about Jackson's sexuality, and since there is nothing in there about his sexuality, I thought it would be a good idea to add that. With the exception of one sentence, I feel it is total neutral. The one sentence about his "feminine characteristics" can be debated however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enorton (talkcontribs) 01:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC) has been flagged as a promotional website when in fact they are a great non profit organization like none out there gathering non profit organizations with reviews and summaries for people to volunteer and help. I believe it should be added. Please help me with this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iastudilloi (talkcontribs)


How exactly did you find that image? diff.
Reply here, thank you.--Tasc0 It's a zero! 04:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Google Image Search it's right there on the first page. Gwernol 04:57, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, assuming that Flickr user is uploading copyvio images, this one may be another: Eminem warrior.--Tasc0 It's a zero! 05:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Yup, it even has a watermark on it: clearly a publicity still and a blatant copyright violation, I'm afraid. Gwernol 05:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Can you please tell me how is this possible? For Pete's sake. Ok; the license is a free one but it's a copyvio!
Would you mind adding the proper speedy deletion template to the image?--Tasc0 It's a zero! 05:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

RE: Edit summaries

Did you interpret that as a personal attack towards a user? ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 06:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Censorship by Google

Please restore what I wrote about Censorship of Gmail on the article about Censorship by Google and what I wrote on Talk:Shabak. I'm the source and I put evidence on Talk:Censorship by Google and Talk:Shabak (deleted). Are you related to any government or secret agency and specifically the United States of America or Israel? Wikipedia should be edited by individual people, the evidence I wrote is concrete and should not be deleted. Citizen of the state (talk) 11:00, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Narrow gauge railway

Re: the layout of this article. You wrote "I believe that moving the images so that the section text wraps around them leaves us with inconsistent and messy layout of the sections, and that having the images below the text is better. Let me know what you think.".

The article was recently edited and as a result there is a picture under the text for most country sections. I think this looks ugly because:

  • There is a chunk of unused white-space to the right of each picture.
  • The article is physically longer than it need be, because of all this white space.

I think the thumbnail pictures should be integrated with the text, as is normal in Wikipedia. I would also suggest putting them on the right, which appears to be the Wiki standard, but I don't really mind which side.

A train at Bad Bubendorf station on the 750 mm gauge Waldenburgerbahn between Liestal and Waldenburg in Switzerland[1].

P.S. I was the person who put the Waldenburgerbahn photo at the top of the article. I did so because I think the article gave/gives too much emphasis to old and preserved lines, and gave the impression narrow-gauge is "has been" technology. This may be the case in GB and USA, but is not elsewhere. I wanted to put a modern narrow-gauge line first in the article. I regularly use this line, though it isn't my photo, it is the one used in Waldenburgerbahn.

P.P.S. I didn't realise I wasn't logged in when I was doing the edits. TiffaF (talk) 16:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

3rr filing related to Mac OS X v10.5

Hello, I filed this 3rr on User:Huwjones7. -/- Warren 20:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Gwernol, it's always a shame when people choose not to discuss the edits they want to make. Have a nice day. :) -/- Warren 20:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Dude don`t change my dynanamite cop stuff, no reads that obnoxious article anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flammablemonkey (talkcontribs) 00:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for you help.

Single purpose actcount created 10 miutes ago, knows how to use wikimark up already and how to look legit by writing some random crap on the user page. Almost certainly an abusive sock, trying to get around 3rr, or cause others to do so. Checkuser will be enlightening I am quite sure of that. Lobojo (talk) 02:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Crated a user page and wrote someting on the talk page (to avaoid red links) within one minute, then made the edit they wanted to. Almost certainly the scokputter of an established user. Lobojo (talk) 02:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

This was just deleted, this user knows exactly what he is doing after only 5 minutes. His edit was designed to tempt me into violating 3rr, and to make it imposible to keep the appropriate tags on the article. I think I know who this is. Either a sock or meatpuppet of established user who is very involved in editing this article. Lobojo (talk) 02:13, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Note the comment above too, he knows the game inside out. Lobojo (talk) 02:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

PLEASE MAKE LOBOJO STOP MAKING UP STORIES ABOUT ME. I NEVER EVEN MET HIM BEFORE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SeanSokandro (talkcontribs) 02:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Putting on a child-like innocent voice "stop being mean to me" etc, are classic ideas too. Lobojo (talk) 02:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Diolch o Abertawe

From Rob in Swansea, many thanks for the advice, ych chi`n gymro matey? I`m a newby so I need to be shown the ropes, I wanted to add that my addition to the Peru site was courtesy of —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

"User:Krypto the Superdog"

Hello, I was trying to rename the userbox I created "User:Wolfdog1/Krypto the Superdog" to "User:Krypto the Superdog". I am not vandalizing and would appreciate it if you would undelete User:Krypto the Superdog!


--Wolfdog1 (talk) 00:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Zoey 101

You might consider protecting the page again. I don't see too many anonymous edits that are not being reverted. I was considering doing it but you seem to watching the article right now. --NrDg 02:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the thoughtful warning concerning my edit on Tobacco Smoking. That will not happen again.-- (talk) 17:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Deletion from Bruce Lee as OR

I just noticed that you deleted the most recent entry to the list of anime and video game characters modeled on Bruce Lee from that article, specifying that it was original research. Why didn't you delete all of them, as I see no difference in that respect (that is not one of them is reference-cited)? This, BTW, was not my work, nor are any of the others. My interest is purely academic, and hope that you can point out a distinction that I have failed to pick up on. Ted Watson (talk) 19:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


Barnstar of Reversion2.png The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For your block of my ip in response to its persistent vandalism ;-) Phoenix-wiki 21:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


My edit was cited. Thanks for not bothering to read it before deleting it. Xulong (talk) 00:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

SPIEGEL: Should there be an international peacekeeping force along the Lebanese-Israeli border?

Carter: Yes.

SPIEGEL: And can you imagine Germans soldiers taking part?

Carter: Yes, I can imagine Germans taking part.

SPIEGEL: ... even with their history?

Carter: Yes. That would be certainly satisfactory to me personally, and I think most people believe that [b]enough time has passed so that historical facts can be ignored.[/b] Xulong (talk) 00:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I was blocked for what reason?

I, LisaMinnelli, have been blocked for what reason? How absurd this site is! (talk) 03:01, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


I have been editing the wikipedia for years and some of my articles such music hall have been awarded 'good article' status. Why are you treating me like an idiot and saying I should use the 'sandbox'? I KNOW what is wikipedia policy and I KNOW that lists of songs and books on a particular subject don't have to have individual citations. But if you feel this way why didn't you put a 'citation required' tag on it rather than just deleting a whole section in such a high handed way? Bernard Rose's song 'The Stripper' includes the word 'stripper' in its title so it is obvious what it is about. The 'original research' requirement on the wikipedia was put there because some people were e.g. improving on Einstein's theory of relativity with their own theories - it wasn't meant to include lists of mundane every-day things about which there is no dispute like list of types of dog for instance or songs on the same subject. Some things are self-evident. Why can't you discuss this in a rational way rather than just throwing around a disputed interpretation of a wikipedia 'law' without even mentioning it on the talk page and then penalising anybody who disagrees with you? There are a few admins who regularly edit the striptease article and none of them has ever deleted that section. Are they wrong and you right? I will ask other admins their opinion on this. Colin4C (talk) 10:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


What? Myspace has the same problem with porn adbots going on. Don't believe me? I can prove it with screen grabs. --Ragemanchoo (talk) 00:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

RfD nomination of "Embedded Compact Extended"

I have nominated "Embedded Compact Extended" (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Floaterfluss (talk) (contribs) 04:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

User:Chemical Heritage

Chemical Heritage Foundation is a non-profit organization dedicated to the history of chemistry. Part of our mission is to educate the general public on the history and heritage of this amazing field. As such, I don't understand why you consider our article on the process of extracting aluminum, which appeared in the on-line edition of our newsmagazine, to be promotional. Can you explain the reason? Chemical Heritage (talk) 16:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC) Chemical Heritage

Help me out please

As I am still pretty new to all this, can you please explain why you have taken out the following from the Millwall article: Keith Stevens: "Long serving and popular" How else would a player who choose to spend his entire career with one club be described? "Millwall's bitter rivals" bitter rivals is at the very least an understatement, we detest them them and they us, and what does "Citation Needed mean please? 'Arry Boy (talk) 18:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the information, it's a great help. Btw, those bastards gunners used to get a right good hiding from us in the Southern League, which is why they ran off and turned pro:) Cheers and once again thanks for your help 'Arry Boy (talk) 19:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting vandalism on my talk page

[2] NHRHS2010 talk 20:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

"Sox" Project

Hi, thanks for your speedy rebuff. I had a look at the Sarbanes Oxley Talk page and am now sorry that I dared dip my toe into that particular shark-infested sea. The article and Talk are discreditable to Wikipedia. Thanks, bigpad (talk) 20:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Bono Edit

My purpose wasn't vandalising wikipedia.I tried to help you improve88.242.147.209 (talk) 09:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I did see the warning that you placed on User_talk:Hoodia2006 before I left the welcome message. I did this because although that person did place a spam link in the Hoodia article, I felt that the warning might be a bit like biting newcomers and they may have placed the link in connection with their business and sometime in the future in their personal life they might get round to putting something useful on wikipedia. I guess it's an assume good faith issue, and in future I'll edit the substed welcome template if they have made a negative contribution. Barry m (talk) 15:33, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Warning vandals

Have replied on my talk page, to keep the discussion together. Philip Trueman (talk) 15:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

User Cocoliras

I see that you have blocked user Cocoliras for 24 hours due to vandalism to the North America page. However, he has also disrupted the Panama City, Panama page with unconstructive and uncited edits. Please refer to the Panama City edit history for evidence. I strongly recommend having him blocked indefinetely.--Schonbrunn (talk) 19:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, but you should note that he has been recurrent in disrupting several pages. If you need further evidence, you can see his edit history (and evidence of edit warring) in Panama City, Panama, where he continues to add unreliable and irrelevant information.--Schonbrunn (talk) 19:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

About the speedy deletions

Sorry I should have read more about deletion before I started putting the tags on. Thanks for the reminder. --Wtfdontkill (talk) 01:08, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

About the Tony Blair Page

You state your opinion that it is only an opinion that Tony Blair was the only Labour Prime Minister to be involved with the illegal invasion and occupation of two soverign nations: Afghanistan and Iraq. If I was to provide evidence that my statement is fact rather than opinion would you change your opinion and allow this into the article on Tony Blair? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your quick response and clear explanation on this issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


Hi Gwernol, you might want to tweak your block of this user so that the "Autoblock any IP addresses used" box is ticked. Since the IP wasn't blocked, the user kept vandalising under Special:Contributions/ Thanks. Spellcast (talk) 18:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

On second thought, I see that you have enabled the IP autoblock (see list of active blocks at 18:20, January 10, 2008). I guess the user just switched IPs. Spellcast (talk) 18:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
You're probably right. It must've been a friend. This edit, which says "HIYA RIAIN", leads me to believe it's a friend instead of the same person. Anyway, they're both blocked. Cheers. Spellcast (talk) 18:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for warning EmoxBoysxArexHot for his/her vandalism to 1993 -- I made the rollback, and, by the time I'd clicked through to his/her talk page to warn 'em, you'd already warned 'em! I certainly appreciate your help, and I commend you on your quicker draw.  :) Ashdog137 (talk) 22:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Third personal attack

Information.svg Hello, the editor whom you warned with a Level 3 Warning here, after I had given him a Level 1 Warning here, has attacked me for a third time.

Attack 1: here - "creationist troll"

Attack 2: here - "pathetic and vainglorious little ....'soul'" (he "apologized" for this one and "retracted" it... and immediately attacked me again within his "apology" - "disruptive and ineffectual")

Attack 3: here - "disruptive and tendentious editor"

As you know, Attack Warnings remind the editor in question to "Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors." This editor is apparently unable to do so without stronger encouragement from an admin. I have never attacked him or given him reason to attack me, but it's obvious that he'll listen to you before he listens to me. Thank you. Goo2you (talk) 01:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Your recent additions to Whyte notation

Hi, I like your additions to Whyte Notations, they make a better example then using ascii, however I noticed the images are flagged for deletion pending copyright status. Please don't forget to add it soon so some bot doesn't delete them for no reason. I take it they are all your work but did not want to assume anything and mark them as such. Thanks!

--DP67 (talk/contribs) 07:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Redundant sandbox

Hello, Can't understand how you could have edited my sandbox 6 yesterday. I copied the relevant content into the current LNER Class A1/A3 article on the 29th of November last and thought I had erased this now quite redundant sandbox from my user page. However as you have just stumbled across it, it must be lying around somewhere in the WP tangle. I would be grateful if you could explain to me how to get rid of the thing for good.--John of Paris (talk) 12:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

History of Microsoft Windows

I assume it was you who undid all my changes. You say "This is original research, lacks any sources and full of personal analysis". Well, excuse me, but the whole frickin' page fits that description. I don't believe there is a single source quoted anywhere. The observations I made are simple and transparently obvious to anybody who has used any of these versions. Some are important and address incompleteness of previous information.

How many other pages are you self-appointed guardian of? I've run across a few pathetically megalomaniacal beings around here; it appears to be their major source of sense of personal worth. I hope you're not one of them.

If I'm addressing the wrong person, then please accept my apologies. Freddyzdead (talk) 13:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Message from User:Sander85

WTF's the matter with you removing official sites from the basketball pages? Im working for a statistical company and provide info for people who want to see their webstie. Get a life bitch! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sander85 (talkcontribs) 13:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


EXACTLY, I *was* editing in the sandpit. I don't understand the problem.!!!! PLEBIAN --LITTLETWOT (talk) 21:43, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if I got in your way there; I think we both tried to protect at the same time. Charming user, charming username. --John (talk) 21:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


Please see User talk:BIGGERTWOT. This is all too irritating... thanks alex.muller (talkedits) 22:00, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Oxymoron83 got there first - no worries. alex.muller (talkedits) 22:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks for dealing with the vandalism on my user talk page as well - much appreciated. alex.muller (talkedits) 22:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

good editing

on Jeffries. I'll back you up if needed. DGG (talk) 22:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


I seem to be a few weeks late with this, but nice to see you back. – Steel 00:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

User page

Thanks for the rollback. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 05:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Please respond

Hi Gwernol, I was wondering if you were going to respond to my request to do something about the #Third_personal_attack this user has committed against me? I hadn't gotten a reply here or on my talk page, and there's nothing on his either. Thank you. Goo2you (talk) 05:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


Dear Sir. Let me don't agree with you on STAR-APIC page deletion. ESRI is not only GIS company, STAR-APIC is largest european GIS company. This is my reason to add STAR-APIC company page and references on related (GIS software) topics. Dlutskov (talk) 12:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

FX solutions

Is it too late to add to this AfD the article IFX markets which was created by the same SPA user and looks very similar? There are two references but they both lead to articles in the same site (BNet) which as far as I can see don't actually mention "IFX Markets". JohnCD (talk) 21:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I am not quite sure why I would need to cite something that is very apparent. It may not be as unnecessary as say "The sky is blue". And then you coming in and saying, "Hey, you need to cite that!" Well, anyone who has eyes can see that the sky is blue. Anyone who has experience browsing knows that features the reviews that are more favorable of any given product. It's not that these reviews are any better or more constructive. That may be the case, but I am simply stating a fact that is readily observable. I am not sure how I would cite this, anyways. Am I supposed to cite some news source? It seems as if though Wikipedia draws a very fine line, and tends to lean heavily towards citations. I appreciate this, but at the same time, it is frustrating. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheIdealStatus (talkcontribs) 22:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Jabba the Hut

You're keen! I was just adding the warning to that vandal, following me reverting, and you had beaten me to it! StephenBuxton (talk) 12:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Cheers for the blocking! One day, I will have those powers.... (I hope - grin) StephenBuxton (talk) 12:55, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

My user page

Thanks for the revert! ˉˉanetode╦╩ 13:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gwernol. Recently you said I had removed content from the Stravinsky page. I've never seen the Stravinsky page before. Just thought you'd want to know. (talk) 15:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

RE Stravinsky: Thank you for the helpful advice, Gwernol! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

And another

I owe you one more for dealing with Asmkillr323 for POV etc. Many thanks alex.muller (talkedits) 01:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Very much appreciated. alex.muller (talkedits) 00:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Warning message about MoRpArScApE

It's a page i found i want admins to block other people with :( i'm the one who found it Runningblader (talk) 02:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Very well

that was my first one like that lol but ok i won't make another one like that.

lol=laugh out loud —Preceding unsigned comment added by Runningblader (talkcontribs) 02:36, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


Do you have time to check my future artical to see if it has everything it need to not be deleted? here the url user:Runningblader/Sandbox --Runningblader (talk) 02:45, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Once again, thanks for reverting vandalism/trolling on my userpage

[3] NHRHS2010 talk 23:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Why are you deleting a new birth data, added?

Because you have not heard about the person, does it mean, he cannot exist. How are regionally known person to be added??

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:43, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


How is it vandalism? I merely left a message on someone's talk page (yours). Wow dude, learn to distinguish. (talk) 04:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Glasgow population

Hello Alison Wheeler, I spoke to you at 2pm this afternoon with regards to the Glasgow article. Anyway sorry to trouble you with this as i can imagine you are busy.

I have written to and also contacted by telephone, Glasgow City Council Population and Statistics department. They kindly provided me with a population fact sheet for The City of Glasgow and Clyde Valley Conurbation.

The .pdf file is below.

It confirms Glasgow's population in 2006 had 580,690.

The document confirms that the City is located at the centre of the Glasgow and the Clyde Valley Conurbation, which has a population of 1,750,000. If it would not be to much hassle could you either pass this email onto one of your administration volunteers in order to rectify the information on the Wiki Glasgow article, which is incorrect, or somehow manage to correct this information yourself. I have tried to change this information but it is continuously changed back to statistics which are false.

I hope this email finds you well.

Yours sincerely

talk:Gwernol could you please rectify the information? ~~Glasgowfinder~~

Hi Gwernol; I noticed you edited the Glasgow page and wondered what you thought of my comment at Talk:Glasgow. Best wishes, --John (talk) 18:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Leonardo questions

I would tend to treat a kid who was looking for help a bit more generously than you did. The only message that you left was on the history page of the discussion page. So it is unlikely that they will ever see it at all. That's an OK way to communicate with an experienced editor. It's not an really a user-friendly way to treat a child. Amandajm (talk) 15:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your positive reply... I'm rather over-critical at times! Amandajm (talk) 23:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


Welcoming me (hey look I've been registered since '05), calling a legitimate edit to vomiting "experimenting with wikipedia" and encouraging me to use the sandbox instead is pretty insulting. Vomiting is not an article about acid/base chemistry. Consequently the statement in the article reading:
"vomit contains a high concentration of hydronium ions and is, thus, strongly acidic."
is horribly pedantic and out of place. Having a low pH and thus a high hydronium ion concentration is the traditional definition of an acid. There's no need to use the definition of a term in the description, that's what the link to acidic is for. If you don't like my wording, that's fine, edit it to make it flow better. But don't blindly revert Vertigo Acid (talk) 05:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

IP removal

Please remove the two IP-signed entries (edit and undo) from the Striptease log, mistakenly done while I wasn't logged in. Regards, B-Twin (talk) 09:49, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

re: user User:

Since your message on new year's eve, several edits which constitute vandalism have been made from just a heads up :-) - Signpostmarv (talk) 11:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Tourism in Europe

I think you mean the article Tourism in Europe (which indeed was deleted last July). The template I've created has never been created and then deleted before. I think what mind you with my template is that its title is a link to an unexisting article previously deleted. So, OK, I will change the title and unlink it. 16@r (talk) 12:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Edit war (North America)

Ok, about the hatnote, is there a way of explaining the ambiguity of North America before the article starts describing? tell me if there's a way, as with the edit war, I do not know what is bad about adding an extra link, this is since everyone would like to know the largest cities in North America beyond the 10 largest, I tried to explain everyone, but without success.

Corticopia appears to be more opposed than others since Seicer, Spacepotato and others, all though it was fine. The problem is trying to convince him.

Cocoliras (talk) 17:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Sock evading user

User:Usaa member in poland seems to be a sock puppet of User:Robertjkoenig (same editing M.O., seems to admit as much in recent contributions). You've helped block these socks in the past [4], can you help out an block this sock too? Thanks --Matt (talk) 15:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I replied at my talk page

JERRY talk contribs 19:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Wooden Railway

With all due respect, I am aware of the rules but the link was always there before I edited it with the sentence "a TAFWR message board" - so I think that you never cared about the link before I edited it with a brief bit of information and perhaps it would still be on if I hadn't edited it at all in the first place. It might be a forum but parents can find out information on it too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ffeifanc (talkcontribs) 20:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Wooden Railway

I respect you but I beg to differ. Indeed that the link wasn't there before I added it - but I had added it many months ago. Please look at the history of the Thomas wooden railway merchandise and go below 14 December 2007. One of the external links clearly says "The Thomas Wooden Railway Forums". Click on the current page, and "History". I had edited the page on 28 December 2007 at 1:45 to put beside the link "- a TAFWR message board". And that same day at 1:48, Gwernol had removed the link. Please look at how the page was before my edit and you can see that the link had always been there in the first place. If you don't take my word for it, see for yourself. And if that doesn't convince you, then I don't know how because I can clearly see that the link is above the Learning Curve link and below the Hornby link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ffeifanc (talkcontribs) 20:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Wooden Railway

I see but can you see that the link was there before my edit on 28 December? Well, I suppose I shouldn't have edited it on 28 December since it got removed because of it. And I am not fimilar with Wikipedia at all so I wouldn't know if you gave me a warning.

This was the page BEFORE my edit on 28 December 2007 - And this was the FIRST page back on 9 March 2007 -

As you can see, the link has been there and was there before 28 December. I don't know if you saw it or not. If you did, perhaps you should have removed it the first time you saw it? If you truly believe that the link would be spam/inappropriate for Wikipedia now but wasn't when it had been there all along. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ffeifanc (talkcontribs) 20:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


Has been requested for deletion by me. It was originally supposed to be humorous, Thank you for your contributions, but I like my userpage the way it was, but was decided against and I forgot about uw-upv1. So thank you for your concern. Compwhiz II(Talk)(Contribs) 01:19, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Compwhiz II(Talk)(Contribs) 01:22, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

accused of deleting content

"Please do not delete content from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Panic disorder, without explaining the reason for the removal in the edit summary. Unexplained removal of content does not appear constructive, and your edit has been reverted" {{{2}}} Gwernol 13:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Nothing was deleted. Nothing was removed. A footnoted comment was added. How do you propose I add the comment without it being deleted again by you? --Arrowsmith36 (talk) 20:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Socrates page

hi. i am trying to modify the "bill and ted's excellent adventure" link under the "later historical effects" subheading of the socrates article. as of 8:30 pm CST, the current "bill and ted's..." link has been vandelized. i am merely attempting to put up the correct link. the correct link should be:

instead, i am getting notes from you that i am vandalizing the article. yes i am changing a link. isn't that permissible- especially if the current link is inaccurate or vandalized?

specific feedback would be helpful,

end of email03:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Proposed Deletion of Stripey Zebras

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Stripey Zebras, which you proposed for deletion. I am leaving this message here to notify you about it. This page has survived a past afd where the consensus was keep(Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stripey Zebras). It would be best to take back to afd before deleting If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to it. Instead, feel free to list the article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! TonyBallioni (talk) 00:10, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

National Rail

That the railway companies market themselves as 'Britain's train companies working together' whilst actually competing against each other under a privatised system is entirely factually accurate, and I'm disappointed that you keep deleting this important information from the National Rail entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Regarding National Rail again...

It is a universally acknowledged fact - including on Wikipedia! - that Britain has a privatised railway system under which rail companies compete against each other. It is also entirely verifiable that the rail companies market themselves as 'Britain's train companies working together'. I'll try to rephrase the text, and include a citation, so that there is no hint of an opinion coming through but I think that given the above, you should allow the two facts to sit side by side and for readers to draw their own conclusions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Very disappointed

Very disappointed that you've policed that text again - my comments on NR's marketing outlined two valid, true, verifiable facts. Thought police alive and well! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

please explain

Please explain in my user talk page (under your comments). What is going on? Whoaslow (talk) 02:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The Wikipedia webmaster who originally blocked me (John Reeves) is a vandal. He removed my reasonable comments because he disagreed with them. Why didn't you block him for vandalism? If I were to blank out a comment that I didn't agree with, someone would block me.

Do I need to pay to get full membership so that I won't be blocked so easily? I did not see where I can sign up for paid membership.

Even the other webmasters and that administrator who unblocked me did not agree with John Reeves. Mr. Reeves needs be more civil. His poor customer service gives Wikipedia a bad name.

As far as the changing of the title of the complaint about receiving a barnstar, I'm sorry. I can see how some people may not like it even though it was accurate. Whoaslow (talk) 02:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation. I still think there is inconsistent behaviour among Wikipedia webmasters, some of whom have hot tempers. However, inconsistent service is very common in a large company because they have to hire lots of people, many of whom are not very qualified. I am referring to large companies, not Wikipedia, although there are some parallels. Thank you again for your explanation. Whoaslow (talk) 03:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

How do I get rid of the red in my name? Ok, I now know it's not because I am not a paid member. Other people's names are blue, at least most people. Whoaslow (talk) 03:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The New Pornograhers

TNPs won a Juno in 2001. They were nominated but didn't win in 2006.BigRockFan (talk) 04:01, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

What the hell

I just edited my entry you moron. Get your bot in order. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:52, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Deleting the shamrock1fan page

You keep deleting it and it is NOT an attack, I am actually a friend of the real shamrock1fan and he is a troll, he is even mentioned in the trolls entry on wiki.

If you don't know what you are doing or the subject how about asking, instead of just deleting it. Shamrock1fan is a legend and deserves this article done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shamrock1fanfan (talkcontribs) 05:57, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

WBC on Heath Ledger

Gwernol, I read the discussion about adding the WBC to the article, but it said nothing about discussing the hate slurs against his name, only that we shouldn't discuss their plans to picket the funeral, etc. I understand about not giving the group power, as I personally despise them, but we can't ignore notable information just to take a stand - if we were to do that on Wikipedia articles, we should be deleting all references to the WBC on all related articles, and delete the article dedicated to them, too. Ledger passed, as all people do at some point, but not all people's deaths are followed up by such international attention - and most do not become the target of picketing and campaiging. When Steve Irwin passed and animal rights organizations attacked him, aspects of this were included in his article, despite the fact that some people believe PETA to be eco-terrorists. I think it is understandable to not want to give this group media attention, but we can't revert and delete information referencing them just because we don't like them. What are your thoughts? --Yaboii 100 (talk) 16:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The Racial Word

What's wrong with you guys? Why are you deleting the facts that exsisted in one of the boroughs in New York and the biggiest cities in New Jersey for? 8:39 P.M. January 27th, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pekin Republican (talkcontribs) 01:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

The Racial Word

I will give you the time to keep serching for that racial word until February 29th. You will see that word on the internet. - Pekin Republican - 2008 January 27th 8:53 P.M. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pekin Republican (talkcontribs) 01:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

thank you

I didn't want to look but just keep a record. Whoaslow (talk) 01:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

The Racial Word

I said I will give you the time to search for the word until February 29th. And about the newspaper, how am I suppose to show you a newspaper of what happened in January 22nd? And the forums and personal websites, they show sources faster than a newspaper. You can always believe a white person but never a black person. Pekin Republican - 9:08 2008 January 27th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pekin Republican (talkcontribs) 02:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

curious, that's all

I neither want to censor them nor splash them on my page or in articles. Whoaslow (talk) 02:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Alexalex2008 (talk) 18:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC) Dear, Gwernol! You twice deleted the page I created, thank you ;) If for true, I really don't wanna harm WIKI, I just wanted to add information regarding my online music magazine. It has a long history and well-known on scene, and I sure, this info don't abuse WIKI ;) Can you help to do it correctly and right? Alexalex2008 (talk) 18:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Alexalex2008 (talk) 19:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC) 

Oh, thank you very much for so fast reply, Gwernol! now i'm realized where were my problems... in real, my magazine is totally non-commercial thing, completely free & full available for public all last 5 years, so my photo reports and interviews are fully & quickly accessible worldwide. and people who like the such music scene, enjoyed it as seems... and it was the only reason to add it here, for information purpose, not for advert or promotion. so i'll correct my magazine's history and bio for wiki rules, no problem! thank you again! best from Moscow, Russia!

Alexalex2008 (talk) 19:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

your message on my talk page

Thanks, I'm really scared into editing straight now! (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:17, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Leave the Copernicus nationality in place

You comets about my entries is radiculous and arogant. Evrybody new Copernicus was Polish. The people who change the facts on Wikipedia notews are simple Prussian revisionists who can not accept the fact the Polish culture is equaly gooed as they would say about the German. They also supose that creatinbg a picture about some German roots in sized by Prussia teritories will convice sombody about German "rights" to this teritories. Please leave the true on Copernicus article. Actions against this TRUE is noted. --Kapsule (talk) 20:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Timothy Tyson

I took that picture of Timothy Tyson. Therefore, I am the copyright holder, correct? You need to check your facts before you go undoing every recent change.
Falcofire (talk) 20:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I am a frequent contributor the NHC and recorded the video link titled Lecture on the same page.
Falcofire (talk) 20:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Talyllyn liveries

Re this edit. It is correct - both locos have run in the Awdry guise in the past, as has No 6, and I believe it is No 3 to be repainted this year as No 6 has been withdrawn for overhaul. I think a longer section about liveries (not just those of the fictional counterparts) may be appropriate rather than squeezing it into the table, so I might add that at some point with appropriate refs. I appreciate there's a risk of the article becoming Scarloey Railway fancruft, and I'm anxious to avoid this, but given the history of the books some references are unavoidable. Any thoughts? Tivedshambo (talk) 08:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


I have created a portal called Portal:Animal and a quiz (at the bottom of my user page) and I am lacking of experience to edit it. Could somebody help me to improve it?--Mark Chung (talk) 14:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


An "s" makes it different!Anyway, thanks a lot and I will award you with another barnstar!--Mark Chung (talk) 14:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


I added to the "Bryan" page that the name Bryan is an alternate spelling for the Irish first name Brian.

I didn't think a source was needed for such a common place fact. I didn't add a source, but you could have simply asked for a source, rather than deleting the passage of text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Poverty in India Image

Beggar in Bodhgaya

There is a discussion going on regarding whether or not the following image should be a part of the Poverty in India page. Most Poverty in *Country* pages do not have any images, at most 1. User:Otolemur crassicaudatus has brought many images showing extreme poverty in India and has tried to mislead people into thinking this is the way a majority of poor Indians live. There is a vote in which your input would be appreciated. You can find this discussion here

I feel that the the Bodhgaya Beggar image does not represent poverty in India correctly because:

  • The beggar in Bodhgaya image does not accurately depict poor people in India because they do not look like this. This man is an exception. To say that this man represents all poor people in India is very wrong. A small minority of Indias poor are disabled. Most living under the poverty line work long hours fishing, farming or as construction workers. This picture shows a man whose legs have been broken. Unless a majority of India's or even a fraction of the poor have legs like this, the image is irrelevant and undue to the poverty in india page.
  • Poverty and Disability are not connected in any way. There are thousands of super rich people who are disabled.
  • There are 11 country articles on poverty
  • This user is being uncivil and unyielding. This user has tried to have my user page deleted because it said America is priceless!
  • This image is being used by User:Otolemur crassicaudatus to display his dislike of India and to mislead people into thinking that this is the plight of millions of poor Indians. This user has often added images showing extreme poverty to many India relating articles.[5] Even though this user knows that poverty is present in every country and that extreme poverty is not a fair representation of the Indian economy, this user has previously tried to add an image of children washing their clothes in a mud puddle to the economy section of the India page. This user has added this image to the poverty section of the Economy of India page, when a graph showing poverty would make more sense.
  • WP:Undue says:
We should not attempt to represent a dispute as if a view held by a small minority deserved as much attention as a majority view. Views that are held by a tiny minority should not be represented except in articles devoted to those views. To give undue weight to a significant-minority view, or to include a tiny-minority view, might be misleading as to the shape of the dispute.

This can be applied to this because a very tiny fraction of poor people in India are disabled. Most work very hard trying to make a living for themselves. This image is misleading. Nikkul (talk) 03:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Pizzadeliveryboy, in your talk page this user has made wild accusations on me. I will request you please read the relevant sections on Talk:Poverty in India to give you an inside in this user and to understand who is incivil. You please read the texts like these [6], [7], [8]. The Bodggaya beggar image is more appropriate than others because:

  • You may know, many beggars live a condition like this, many of them have various disabilities.

There is no "typical" definition of poverty, or beggar. There are abled beggar, disabled beggar. The purpose of the article is depicting poverty. The other beggar images which this user want to place deleting the Bodhgaya beggar image are not good quality, one is B&W, and the other depicting a beggar girl in Ladakh. But my objection here is that Ladakh is quite different from rest of the country because of its geographics. Majority Indians live in plain. And this Bodhgaya beggar image is showing poverty at its most extreme level. It is not right to conceal the situation of poor men like this, it is the truth, the reality. This image touches the heart of the reader, which is a real situation. Yes not all beggars are disabled, but is this an argument? On the other hand it also can be said that not all beggars are abled. Our job here is not to understand who is abled, or who is not. But to find a good image which is representative of many.

  • This user is repeatating his arguments and has taken a densive position by his ad hominem attack on me. Any one do not agree with him, here I am trying to depict poverty, and he is labelling me as Indophobic. There are other editors who honoured me for my contributions. The only reason given against this image that "since all beggars have not messed up legs, this image is undue". But it is an anti-individualistic argument. So what if not all beggars do not have messed up legs? The fact is that such secenes is a reality and it would not be right to conceal it. Such scenes exists, it is the truth. If it is reality, if such scenes exits, then an article depicting poverty i.e. "the condition of lacking full economic access to fundamental human needs such as food, shelter and safe drinking water", only those images should remain which clearly illustrate this fact.
  • Please remember the article is not about India, but the article is about poverty. This article is not depicting India, depicting poverty in India. So such image is not deriding India, it is illustrating the poverty in India. This image, I think, will be very appropriate. This user has informed many partisan editors, like User:Bakasuprman about the image. This suer also informed banned Hkelkar sock like Ghandar galpa. I will also request you check this user's contributions. I have told you why I am supporting the includsion of this image. Regards. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 06:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


I think your warnings should have tried to prove to me that I did what you said. In the article about the Republican Party, I was trying to point out there are other opinions on the issues than just the candidates opinions. I was actually trying to give what I wrote a neutral point of view. I think you should also have explained to me why you consider POV a reason to block someone. That is still unknown to me, since what I wrote could have been reworded by you or someone to make it even more objective than it was. There are other Admins so I think there would have been nothing wrong with taking more time, to explain to me why you believed you as you did.--Chuck Marean 18:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow. actually threw the rulebook at my face regarding my problems WITH the rulebook. Nice one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

No, you see...

You just blocked me from using my OWN talk page. And extended it to 48 hours. All for absolutely no reason. You're pissed because I made a point, and you failed to acknowledge it.

I request that you unblock me. Don't you DARE ask me any questions at all regarding who I am. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSilverAce (talkcontribs) 21:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


Oh dear. --ZimZalaBim talk 22:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

3RR on Nader articles

Thank you for the notice. Please note that I have been adding ample amounts of well sourced material to the artciles, and have redone the intro of Ralph Nader's presidential campaigns to address some POV pushing issues there, again with ample sourcing. Griot has been reinserting--against the wishes of about half a dozen editors--the same POV claim in both articles. He had agreed here to provide "A hundred" sources for the claim, but has obstinately chose to edit war and abuse other editors instead (and delete my talk page comment agreeing to his proposal). There, I've bored you with all that...cheers! Boodlesthecat (talk) 23:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

North American currency union

North American currency union is not yet planned, but it is still up for academical debate (see North American currency union#Basis and origin and North American currency union#Criticisms and problems). Please think it through before you delete some links, like the one on Euro page. CrZTgR (talk) 00:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

greetings from San Francisco

Hi Gwernol, My name is Mary and I'm a reporter working on an article about Wikipedia. I would love to interview you for my story. May I give you a call? My email is Thank you for your time, Mary71.5.63.2 (talk) 00:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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RE: Adding San Francisco Giants Fans

First of all, this list of celebrity fans is mostly based on interviews, or just knowledge of the fact they are Giants fans, and for the most part there are no written articles on the internet about them being a fan. Second of all, every other baseball team on wikipedia has a list of celebrity fans that dont have references, so why are you picking on me? Lastly, this list was deleted by accident almost a year ago, I am just simply re-adding it and updating it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GregFD3S (talkcontribs) 10:56, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

RE: RE: Adding San Francisco Giants Fans

Excuse me, I was at speech that Steve Jobs gave at Stanford, and he mentioned he was a Giants fan. If you truly do know Steve Jobs, then just ask him if he likes the Giants.

I will go through the list and search the internet for references. I doubt I will be able to find all of them though. How much time do I have before you delete it again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GregFD3S (talkcontribs) 11:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Arbitration request filed

I requested arbitration. See [9]. -- Chuck Marean 19:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Edit war continuing

Unfortunately the edit war by new user User:Sumerophile is continuing, just not on the template, but now on all the pages that contain the template. Rather than wait patiently for other editors to register their views on centering and positioning of the template, he is unilaterally moving the templates to the top of the articles as if they were infoboxes, and he is also repeatedly adding redundant parent supercategories to all of these pages in contradiction of WP:CAT and WP:SUBCAT.

Changes like these disturb the article, but I am at a loss now for what I may safely do. The thresh hold for blocking used to be 3 reverts in 24 hours, and I have always been meticulously careful to stay under this thresh hold to avoid being blocked, while he freely ignores the thresh hold. However, when it came to blocks, I was blocked as if I had been warned, despite never receiving a warning before being blocked. I now feel that the thresh hold for allowable reverts has unofficially been lowered to some arbitrary number lower than 3, and I wonder if I may be blocked for reverting his bad edits even once - in other words, this means he would have free reign to do whatever he wishes to the article layout, categories etc. and no one may revert him even once, on penalty of being blocked? Or how should I know how many times he may safely be reverted with these bad changes before I can report him, since obviously the old number three is now in effect meaningless. Is it one time? two times? Or should he be given free hand to do as he wished that no one else may oppose? Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 21:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. I am asking for mediation, now. User Til Eulenspiegel has done nothing all afternoon but follow everything I edit with his own editing - ostensibly to remove categories from the page (which I'm not sure is correct), but also to move the template around and to revert content, succession boxes and templates that I had added to or edited on the pages. His condescending comments about "newbies" (in the summaries as well as on talk pages) is also really getting insulting. Sumerophile (talk) 23:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

The only thing I am following is my watchlist, which happens to include all of these articles on Sumerian kings, as I have been monitoring them for changes for almost a year. And every few minutes I see on my watchlist that you have added the same redundant parent categories to each of these articles yet again, no matter how many times I advise you to read WP:SUBCAT and at least attempt to make some meaningful explanation, you simply return them again without explanation or response. Our dispute about the position of the template is also not resolved yet and until it is, it is also dismaying to see you continually changing it every few minutes on another article despite all the calls from multiple admins for us to "ceasefire". Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 00:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
We actually got some template specialists to redesign the template as a centered navbox and they both agreed that it looks bad as a right-justified infobox style. User:Sumerophile is continuing to revert to his version and edit war, this, and his refusal to stop adding and readding an abundance of extraneous stub messages and categories to each of these articles or even discuss why, despite repeatedly pleading with him not to add them, is making him one of the more difficult and uncooperative editors I have encountered in three years of editing. I am afraid to revert him at all, even though he is now approaching 4RR again on that template - because I got summarily blocked simply for reporting his last 4RR (even though I always make sure I never EVER cross the 3RR line, and I was never given any kind of warning whatsoever before I was "surprise-blocked"). Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 17:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


I don't think you understand that when a webpage is copyrighted, the copyright does not extend to all media on/within the webpage. This is a legitimate image which I obtained from a fellow reporter and he knows it is being used on wikipedia. You can not find a copyright for encompassing the photo in its entirety.
Falcofire (talk) 01:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for help on "Interchange Fee" page.

I am linking to some content on the Credit Card Page that you seem to have expert knowledge of: interchange fees.

Could you look at the interchange fee page and weigh in on the nascent edit war between myself and User:Stymiee?

I want to use your language, and Stymiee keeps changing it.


GBYehuda (talk) 00:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Shadow Circus Band Page

While in the middle of creating this page is was deleted just seconds after accidentally deleting the db-band tag. It is safe to say that not a moment was taken to check the reference link to verify the band's popularity and I was adding more as it was deleted. I was about to add the db-band tag to the top to prevent deletion but it was already gone. Can this page be restored with the db-band tag? All content is verifiable, this is a very noteworthy progressive rock group. This is also my first article and I am trying to spend the time to make it very informative and conform to all of Wikipedia's standards and guidelines, I appreciate your patience. Jplanet777 (talk) 07:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Threatening and Abusing Your Administrative Powers?

Gwernol --

  • Re you're comments on my Raysecurity page; I think you're abusing your administrative powers and you're ignoring the basic rules:
    • not to bite the newbies
    • assume incompetence instead of malice.
  • This seems like suspicious behavior:
    • you're supposed to use the vandalism warnings for extreme cases -- not for your first warnings. This would be like me immediately requesting arbitration.
    • you removed my contributions -- typified them as spam and disruptive edits - but left other inappropriate links -- raising suspicion (see below)
  • I'd like to assume you have good intensions, but so far your actions appear untrusthworthy to me.
  • I'd like to understand your side of the story, so I'll listen.
  • Maybe I just don't understand your behavior yet or there is a conflict in styles. \
  • Here's how I think of Spam:
    • if the sender has no consideration or care for the recipient, then it is spam.
  • Which is clearly not my actions, so you must have a very different understanding.
  • What is your understanding of spam and what are your specific claims, reasons and objections?
  • I reviewed the how not to be a spammer guidelines and I don't see the relevancy:
    • Review your intentions.
    • Contribute cited text, not bare links.
    • The References section is for references.
    • Don't make a new article for your own product or Web site.
    • Don't gratuitously set off our spam radar.
    • If your product is truly relevant to an article, others will agree—try the talk page.
    • Do not add an external link to your signature.
  • Here's what I see:
    • I add thoughtful and specific links to relevant information (Ward Cunningham had suggested I learn how to contribute to WikiPedia)
    • You remove my contributions.
    • You typify my contributions as disruptive and spam.
    • You use generic links to support your cliams instead of specific illustration.
    • You send me a first and last warning in the same session. You added your 3 comments within the span of 1 minute.
  • My conclusions are:
    • You have some internalized rule that you think I violated -- perhaps a style difference
    • You have no intention of being helpful. A helpful Wikipedia editor would educate and provide examples. Not reuse generic links and threaten.
  • What I would have expected is:
    • non-adversarial language and comments
    • clarifying questions
    • specific suggestions on External Links
    • guidance or help on improving over links to non-helpful, generic text.
  • Most importantly I would expect consistency in your actions.
  • What's really raising the flags for me and causing me to investigate more thoroughly are:
    • For Computer Security, you leave a link to which is a commercially-driven, collection of threats and attacks, but remove a link to Guidance Share, which

is a factual collection of relevant, industry-sanitized, principles, patterns and practices.

    • On the career page, in the External Links, you left this (Does Parenting Ruin Your Career? — article about men from 'Sunday Life Magazine', but removed links to Coping with Difficult Bosses and How To Figure Out What You Really Want.) -- Perhaps the Coping with Difficult Bosses fits in a better section, but I still don't follow your rationale or justify leaving the previous link, which does come across as Spam.

  • I also see that you templated your text and generically resuse it rather than thoughful, relevant help for new Wikipedia contributors.
  • Here's another example
    • "Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did in Hard money loan. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links nor should it be used for advertising or

promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that exist to attract visitors

to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam policies for further explanations of links that are considered appropriate. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. Gwernol 21:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did in Commercial hard money. It is considered spamming, and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for

advertising. Thanks. Gwernol 21:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)"

  • If you do intend to help, then I would like to know
    • If I were to contribute External Links that are not Spam, what would my contributions look like?
    • If I were to contribute pages that are not Spam, what would my contributions look like?
  • What is your motivation for your threats and attacks versus help and support?
  • What did I specifically do to cause you to decide that my contributions are disruptive, vandalism and spam?
  • What can you do to help versus threaten to abuse your administrative powers?

I look forward to your insights, rationale and clarifications. Raysecurity (talk) 08:04, 3 February 2008 (UTC) Ray

Longevity diet

I am still working on the article, will add independant sources. please do not delete the article. Thanks.

KVDP (talk) 09:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Updated the article and added references and more information, if you agree with the current state, please remove the request for deletion/template. Also, please move the article as it is now to "CRON-diet", see the talk page of the article.

KVDP (talk) 19:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Railfan Jargon Reverts

Could I ask why the last batch of references were reverted. I saw things left for my unlogged in IP.

I'm not sure how a Channel 4 Documentary on 'Bashers' would be original material. OK I admit using Youtube was a mistake. But would the programme count as a source?--Enotayokel (talk) 17:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

    • Stratch that - The reverts weren't my edits - sorry for any confusion --Enotayokel (talk) 17:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Misrepresentations, WP:ANI

In response to the message you left on my talk page ( [[10]] ), I think you misrepresinted on my talk page my edits to the Republican Party (United States) article and what I said on Template talk:Introduction to Wikipedia.

Hello, Gwernol. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at [[WP:ANI]] regarding You called adding a block quote to an article to be POV pushing, then suggested an edit I'm suggesting would be considered vandalism.. --Chuck Marean 17:20, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Shadow Circus Band Page Update

Hi Gwernol, thanks for giving me a chance to make some edits. I tried to include links to the keyboardist's Myspace which shows tour dates with various artists such as Jon Anderson Yes, and shows his appearances on Sirious radio and other tour information, but the Myspace links are instantly and automatically deleted. It also seems the links to tour dates with Zach and Jon Anderson on Jon Anderson's site was deleted, so somehow I am not allowed to include references necessary to show what is required. But, these facts are verifiable with a quick search on Google. Can you let me know if it is safe to remove the proposed deletion template, or if I must provide additional sources? Thanks again for your patience. I am willing to put in the work to make this a quality article. Jplanet777 (talk) 18:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


You have just said i vandalised the super bowl page. Please say how i did this so I know for next time. Especially since I don't think I did do anything.... Thanks. --Talk to Stealth500 (talk) 03:12, 4 February 2008 (UTC) Hi, I would just like to sya I am very sorry that I made that one edit to the Super Bowl XLII page yesterday. I really meant no harm and did not actually realise (until it was to late) that it would be called vandalism. I am very sorry and I hope you will accept my apology. --Talk to Stealth500 (talk) 11:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Playhacker's edits

[11] What factual errors are you referring to? Nishkid64 (talk) 03:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure about that? I got edit conflicted with IanManka when I tried to add the Super Bowl item at 03:06 UTC. Playhacker's edit was just a minute prior. I am pretty sure the game had just finished at the time Playhacker made that edit. Nishkid64 (talk) 03:53, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the clarification. Playhacker acknowledged that he added it before the game had officially ended. I still don't think it was 10 minutes early, since I tried to update (was edit conflicted by IanManka) ITN after the game had officially ended. Playhacker's edit was at 03:05:44 and IanManka's addition to ITN was at 03:06:07. That's 23 seconds. Nishkid64 (talk) 04:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Ah, shoot. I was looking at the wrong edit (he made the exact same edit minutes after he made the original edit). My apologies. Nishkid64 (talk) 04:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

My Edits - Playhacker

I made the mistake of doing that thing 35 seconds before the game ended. It was my fault, story is over. I accept that warning from you. I'm arguing about the one which I made after the game was over, after that LAST second elapsed. I rewritten what I wrote since it was valid then.

But this Compwhiz II gave me this warning: This is your last warning. You will be blocked from editing the next time you vandalize a page, as you did with this edit to Super Bowl XLII. Compwhiz II(Talk)(Contribs) 03:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


Thank you!

Hi, just dropping by to say thanks for supporting my RfA, I totally wasn't expecting to get so much support, it was a really pleasant surprise. Melesse (talk) 04:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

List of UK Railfan Jargon

Would it be a good idea if all entries that need to be referenced are tagged with a {{fact}} tag, thus identifying those which need attention and those which are considered to be correctly referenced? Mjroots (talk) 15:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

It was just a thought. I'm happy for the unreferenced items to move to the talk page at the end of the month. At least then it will be clear what references are needed for. Mjroots (talk) 16:15, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Is this a reliable source in your opinion? Mjroots (talk) 14:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I did have my doubts. Ref'd a fair few more though! :-)) Mjroots (talk) 14:16, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I've added a hidden note to each section asking editors to add removed entries to the talk page. Would it be worth your time adding hidden notes (verified/better ref needed etc) to each entry? That way editors will be able to see which entries need work. Mjroots (talk) 14:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Another possible source - not one that seems to be copied from a Wiki anyone can edit, think it has potential. Mjroots (talk) 10:31, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism revert

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. Truthanado (talk) 02:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


Did not know that he was copyvio... --BetoCG (talk) 02:58, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

5 o clock charlie

I completely edited the article for grammar and content as you can tell in the history. Are you really that inexperienced to not check the history of the article?
New (my edited version): [13]
Please don't be ignorant.
Falcofire (talk) 13:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes I noticed that user:Jnelson09 thought that and replaced the tag but he stated that "Nothing was changed" and merely undid my work. As you can see by the history obviously the entire article was edited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Falcofire (talkcontribs) 13:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

The article does not need further re-writing. I accidently removed the notability tag as I was unaware which was the code for the rewrite tag. Feel free to rewrite the article further if you think it needs it! But gosh darn, I spent a good 40 minutes reworking the grammar in that article. It meets Wikipedia standards now! We should not base article tags on what one user's opinion of 'not sufficient' is. Falcofire (talk) 14:15, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Mark Gabriel

This article has been deleted. I never got a chance to read it. Is their a possabillity that I can have the text of the article and discussion that took place on this article? I have had this given to me before for a deleted article. It would be greatly appreciated. Robert C Prenic (talk) 15:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Elijah P. Lovejoy

You created this page with the following sentence: "He served under the French-American General Girin who developed close ties to Lovejoy and introduced him to Abraham Lincoln." The only Google results I can return for the general are copied from this article. Can you authenticate his existence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Predicted events

Could you explain, why do you consider my edits to those years as vandalism? Just go to METI and check that those events are predicted indeed. Av0id3r (talk) 01:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

So you see this to be enough to name me a vandal? Although that source is in Russian, table data that I gave a reference to almost entirely contains numbers and international designations, and hence can be easily understood, so the reference is a verifiable one. You don't see this to be important, while I do. BTW, would you consider this to be important if Voyager 2 is predicted to arrive there instead of "just" an intentionally send namely to that destination in the sky radio message? Av0id3r (talk) 01:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

A bit confused on what I did wrong.

I was writing the facts on the "Republican Party (United States) - Name and Symbols" page [14] and got accused of vandalism. If my addition was fact then wouldn't the vandals who kept removing it be the actual vandals.

I meerly stated fact about what the republican party symbol was and explained the oddity of the stars and ended by saying that though they mean something (of which I found on another wiki page), there is no proof of a connection between them.

Was it removed because I didn't need the clarification of no connection?

As shown at the top of this page, the modern mascot symbol is a red elephant with a blue back that contains three inverted pentagrams (stars with two points up). Satanists use stars with two points up, often inscribed in a double circle, with the head of a goat inside the pentagram. However, to date, for the United States` Republican Party as a whole, there have been no direct correlations drawn between them and Satanists.

Cyberclops (talk) 05:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


I liked my warning about the Microwave better. 02:41, 7 February 2008 (UTC)Blackeagles (talk)


Re the Locomotive tender article, I object to your deleting the link I put in on the basis that as it was US practice only so not really helpful. But how many website articles will cover practice throughout the world? I think a regional article can still be useful, and worth linking to.

The Wiki article itself has no definition of a Vanderbilt tender and I had put in this link as I had linked the article to my amendment of NZR G class (1928). Previously this article red-linked to "Vanderbuilt" (sic). Hugo999 (talk) 19:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

the republican party

Actually I was trying to say there was no connection between the two because I have seen such references made in the news media. All I did was state the facts about the inverted stars that are in the republican logo. When I first wrote that it seemed unfair because it seemed to draw the conclusion of a connection. That is why I added the disclaimer that there was no connection. When you said that it was "completely unverifiable", that was the point of the comment, that no one could verify it even though the symbols exist in the logo.

If I described Charles Manson as having a swastika tatooed on his forhead and then stated that the swastika was the symbol of the Nationalsozialismus party, I would be correct. But then I'd have to say that there is no direct relation between him and the Nationalsozialismus party. I'm sure even the Nazi party would not want to be connected to Charles Manson.

Point being, it's hard to say something that is the fact, though it be a negative fact, without being negative. How would you state the facts without leading the reader down that negative path when you still need to be truthfull about those facts?

If it is a problem then I'm happy to write "As shown at the top of this page, the modern mascot symbol is a red elephant with a blue back that contains three inverted pentagrams (stars with two points up). Satanists use stars with two points up, often inscribed in a double circle, with the head of a goat inside the pentagram." and leave off the part of "However, to date, for the United States` Republican Party as a whole, there have been no direct correlations drawn between them and Satanists."

Would that satisfy the masses?

I'm really being straight forward and honest. I would appreciate something constructive from you so we can get past this other than saying that it "clearly expresses your own point of view". - to which it does not. or when you wrote, "Pleae do not add such inappropriate material to articles in the future". Because saying they are inappropriate does not make them so and in fact, saying that when I wrote, "no direct correlations drawn between them and Satanists" was inappropriate would indicate that you believe there is a connection.

I've added hundreds of things to wiki about politics, billiards, gemology, metalurgy etc. before I even signed up for an account. I've always told the truth with fact and will continue to do so. I would prefer not to be soured because one person claimed I did something that I did not. I would also prefer that you leave politics out of it since that is what I attempted to do and if you can't leave politics out of it then please recuse yourself as judge and give it to someone else. I mean no disrespect. If you can look at it without leanings then please do so.

Cyberclops (talk) 17:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Mark Gabriel

I just found out the page I had written has been deleted. I have been trying to link this page to Energy categories and follow the Wikipedia guidelines. Is there any way you can direct me in getting this page back on? It is an important issue to many. ThanksDlcrossfield (talk) 18:07, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Mark Gabriel

Thanks for the quick response and offer to look at the article. I will definately bother you! Regards, DebbieDlcrossfield (talk) 18:19, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

citation on inverted stars

I drew those words "Satanists use stars with two points up, often inscribed in a double circle, with the head of a goat inside the pentagram" directly from a wiki page on pentagrams (see "pentagram" in wikipedia then look in section "2.3 Satanism"). I figured the safest way to get facts would be to use wikipedia. Are you saying I'm wrong in that assumption that wikipedia is a place to get facts?

Again, I'm only using the facts on what those inverted stars mean and did not want to lead any reader down the wrong path. But I am happy to use the statement of fact that...

"As shown at the top of this page, the modern mascot symbol is a red elephant with a blue back that contains three inverted pentagrams (stars with two points up)"

, then use a link to the other wikipedia page on pentagrams and satanism.

Would that be satisfactory? Cyberclops (talk) 19:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

also on the pentagram

in that wiki page "Pentagram" you can also look at "Samael Aun Weor" where it also speaks about satanism. so there are to sections on that page about the inverted star that speaks to the same connection. Cyberclops (talk) 19:13, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

more on the pentagram

Sorry, I hadn't finished reading the wiki pentagram site. Also see the "European occultism" section. The only other reference on that page is to free masonry, however, they no longer use an inverted pentagram because it is now rotated 36 degrees. That means the only references in wiki for inverted pentagrams are for satanism and evil. And, of course, the republican party. Would you prefer that I link my statements to my own section in pentagrams for the republican party. You could review it and let me know. I'm new to the writing and linking. I suppose I'd need to first write the pentagram section then a small blurb in the republican party section with a link to it.

Cyberclops (talk) 19:32, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

stars of the US flag

As you said "stars are a reference to the Flag of the United States" which is completely untrue. The US Flag stars are not inverted. Perhaps you should actually read what I said I would do or perhaps I was not specific enough. I did NOT say I would still say that the GOP symbol is related to satanism... in fact, I have never said that. I said (and please try to follow along), that I would put this sentence in if it is okay...

"As shown at the top of this page, the modern mascot symbol is a red elephant with a blue back that contains three inverted pentagrams (stars with two points up)."

Notice that there is no mention of satanism or evil in that sentence? Then I could put a link to the pentagram section in wikipedia which has plenty of cites in it refering to inverted stars. I could be wrong but, from what I gather from your wording, you seem very angry at me. Please understand, there is no reason to be angry. I'm just trying to figure this out as I go along. If you cannot see that I'm not your enemy then maybe you could direct me to someone at wiki that I could talk to, please.

Cyberclops (talk) 20:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


Got an ec when reaching for the block button! BencherliteTalk 02:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Mascot Symbol

actually, the key word is "modern" mascot symbol because that tells people it is the most recent since the Republican Party has had several. And in fact, the inverted pentagrams are new as of about 7 years ago (I can look for the change in history, I have no problems with a little research). It's obvious the literal description is not needed because there is a picture. I am describing the most recent evolution.

The word pentagram is the proper name for the 5 pointed geometric figure that we are speaking of. "Star" is a relaxed slang for a pentagram. A star is a celestial body. There are no negative connotations for the word pentagram at all because it's used in many religions.

The term "inverted star" makes absolutely no sense since actual stars are masses (unless you're speaking of magnetic poles). and if you took the actual blurred imagery of a star (like what happens when viewing one through the earths atmosphere) it would show an even number of points like 2, 4, 6, 8 etc. but never five. So the description of "inverted pentagram" is proper. I only put "(stars with two points up)" in to help explain to those who don't understand the difference.

That is the difference between a star and a pentagram.

Thank you for being more helpful. I'm sure we can come to an agreement on what should be given as fact.

Cyberclops (talk) 02:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


I had already indef blocked the account when I noticed that you had given a final warning. You may unblock if you feel it's worth it, but I bet you won't. I saw nothing but vandalism. The account has wasted enough of my time. Royalbroil 03:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


actually a pentagram refers to the five lines that are used to make it, not the extended points of a pentagon. Penta for five then the suffix gram meaning write or record. essentially writing five lines, not extending points on a pentagon. You needed to look a little further down that 1st reference page that you sent in the last message to see the root explanation of...

"pentagram "five-pointed star," 1833, from Gk. pentagrammon, properly neut. of adj. pentagrammos "having five lines," from pente "five" + gramma "what is written.""

And yes yes, I have already agreed with you that "star" has many meanings. But all stars are NOT pentagrams. I've already said that pentagrams describe the specific geometric shape we are speaking of.

In addition, I have said many many times in our conversations that I am not speaking of just pentagrams. I am speaking of inverted pentagrams. If you asked a hundred thousand people right now to draw a star, some would draw six points and others five and that's not really the point. The point is I doubt any would draw it with two points up - inverted. And when I went to your second link about stars, not one example had two points up and never once did they say one was inverted.

I really am trying to work with you on this but it's becoming difficult. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but no one is entitled to their own facts.

These are the facts...

1)A pentagram has five points and five lines. 2)A star does not have to have five points. 3)The republican symbol has three inverted pentagrams.

These are judgements though clear, well founded judgements...

1)Pentagrams are not always negative, in fact they mostly represent positive things in history, religion and culture. 2)Inverted pentagrams are almost always negative except in the current republican party symbol and the old free masonry symbol.

What I feel you believe... 1)That the word pentagram is negative even though it is not because it is only a description of a geometric figure like a hexagon, pentagon, square, triangle, octogon, etc. 2)That you believe I want to compare the republican party with satanists even though I do not.

This is what I want to do...

1)Add this phrase to symbols, "As shown at the top of this page, the modern mascot symbol is a red elephant with a blue back that contains three inverted pentagrams (stars with two points up)".

1a)If you like, for now, I can just leave that simple statement which is utterly and completely true because you see it at the top of the page and it would only be there to say that it is the "Current" symbol without referencing anything about inverted pentagrams or christianity or satanism or evil or anything. Later I could give you the links I've found for references to articles and books as well as encyclopedias about inverted pentagrams and the republican party.

In lieu of 1a),

2)Then link that to the other three, possibly four references in wikipedia.

3)Before I do that, I will do tons of research and have other links for you so it will not just be within wiki. But be forwarned. There are many articles out there that speak about the inverted stars on the republican logo - they are mostly very negative. I did not want to include them but I cannot play favorites when searching references if I am to be truthful and factual, and you seem to want proof of them.

At this point I would beg that I be passed on to someone above you who was not brought up believing pentagrams are evil and who is not biased, please.

After that I will be happy to submit all my research to that person along with our conversations if needed.

Cyberclops (talk) 04:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Just in case....

you haven't seen, it's now the templates fault. User:Chuck Marean now believes the warnings are libelous, see here.

Have a good un. Khukri 10:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I fear Chuck has embarked upon a crusade of sorts. I guess as long as he keeps his comments on talk pages, they do relatively little harm, though I should warn you that my experience is he is extremely persistent and extremely unwilling to listen to the arguments of others, no matter how well founded in policy those arguments are. It also appears not to matter to him how many experienced editors disagree with him. I'll keep an eye on his discussions to make sure they don't get out of hand. Gwernol 14:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Shadow Circus

I've removed the proposed deletion template since adding the references to the Paul Green school of Rock, other information regarding the keyboardist's performances with celebrities caneasily be Googled. Please advise if this article will be approved, and I will take the time to further the page content with the band sidebar, etc. Jplanet777 (talk) 17:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

You make a claim, but can you back it up?

Okay, which part of it was inappropriate? People make those sorts of summaries all the time. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 00:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh I know why you're upset, but Wikipedia is not censored, so it should not matter whether I speak of ejecualtion or not. And no more threats about blocks, please. When you've only done what you feel will benefit an article, threats of being condemned simply for supporting Freedom of Speech get tiresome. Good day. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 00:10, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Griot blocked

Vandalism? I added the blocked user template for a user who is in fact blocked. Isn't something like that supposed to be there? Seemed like somebody forgot to add it. --BillyTFried (talk) 03:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


shucks, im sorry, all this new drinking and wotnot, glad to see the welsh blood is ever outreaching! tan y ddraig my brother! and i would say bore da, but have no clue what time it is over there. Nickyrowlands (talk) 03:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC) four lil wiggly lines, hope its all good.


I have revised article for Nicole LaPlaca, if you would care to approve it. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetpea03 (talkcontribs) 04:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help

Gwernol, I really appreciate all the help you have given me.--Sweetpea03 (talk) 05:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for asking for my input, always appreciated. I'll unprotect the page soon, move the subpage to Nicole LaPlaca and then hopefully go on to expand it. Thanks again. Regards, Rudget. 13:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
No problem. I see you did a wikification as well :) Rudget. 13:23, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


Gwernol, I'll keep in mind the personal attacks when other do as well. Arcayne's comments were also a violation of the personal attacks policy. Maybe you should have read them. I hope you cited him as well. Thanks. Don't know if I did this correctly but I'll keep in mind your comments in the future. Mastiff111 (talk) 18:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm. if you think Arcayne's messages were not personal attacks then you need a giant clue. Like Col. Mustard in the Study with the Rope type of clue. Anyway you are entitled to your wrong opinion. Please wise up. Thanks. Mastiff111 (talk) 21:44, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Prampton block

The only issue is the similarity of the username to the organization, and that they were using it to put in edits which could be seen as promotional. It's a soft block, so they can set up another account with a different username and continue making the same productive edits. Daniel Case (talk) 19:35, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, I will unblock. But I really would like to see a username change, especially if the editor isn't connected to the trust. Daniel Case (talk) 19:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

software as a physical good *IS* a controversial concept

Why did you revert my edit in Software engineering, where I explain a particular POV, which *exists* and I refer to it as a POV, without infering any preconception on it?

Ironicaly, the reason some people object to the "software as a physical good" metaphor because it is a loaded description of reality. (talk) 21:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: Thanks for the revert on my userpage

You're welcome. Just to let you know that you have an impersonator here, who is the sockpuppet of the user that you blocked last May, whose username was Ihateamos (he actually goes to the same school as me). That user also vandalized my talk page here and I remember that you were the one that reverted his vandalism. Once again, you're welcome for having me revert vandalism on your userpage. NHRHS2010 22:42, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

MS Riverdance

Hi, can you help sort out a booboo I made? The MS Riverdance article got redirected to M/S Riverdance (without discussion by someone who had never edited the article). I tried to revert the edit but it wouldn't work, so I recreated the article with the text, and then redirected the M/S Riverdance article. The problem is all the previous history is now hidden under the M/S Riverdance history, not the MS Riverdance history! :-| Mjroots (talk) 23:29, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

What's happened? I undid the second redirection and the article has gone! Mjroots (talk) 23:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Will let you work in peace! Mjroots (talk) 23:57, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I've added an edit note to the top of the article re the redirection. Wiki can get frustrating at times, like when editors who haven't touched the article just steam in and make major changes without discussion. I'll AGF that they thought they were doing the right thing. Mjroots (talk) 00:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
AxG was the second person to redirect the article. TheFEARgod was the original mover. Mjroots (talk) 00:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I tried to move M/S Riverdance back to MS Riverdance, by making MS Riverdance back to a redirect, and then moving it back, rather than a copy and paste move. --AxG @ talk 00:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppet of User:Vararesande2

Didn't I tell you that I have access to other computers? I created this name purely for your *enjoyment*. And this time, I shall not edit anything. The next time that I do and it is interfered with, I shall see to legally having your assets frozen for a period up to 7 years with the possibility of having you deported legally, dependent on how I feel at the time. This is your final, and I do mean, final warning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vararesande2 (talkcontribs) 01:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Computer-generated anaglyph

You might want to address my questions regarding your reverts of Caveman at Talk:Caveman, thanks. – Adrian Lozano (talk) 14:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Block of User:

Is a block really necessary? The final warning was three days ago; if the IP is dynamic or shared it's almost guaranteed it isn't the same person. Just wondering what your opinion is. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! 23:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, some dynamic IPs recycle every time a computer connects to the internet. You do have a point about the signature thing, though; it is concerning. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! 23:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Why not block for 3 days -- it definitely appears to be the same person, while the IP may be dynamic I doubt it is being "shared" for the time being.  ;-) (jarbarf) (talk) 23:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Have another Barnstar

Barnstar of Reversion2.png The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For your due diligence keeping Wikipedia free of bad jokes (and other related nonsense). (jarbarf) (talk) 23:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Coleen's Real Women deletion

This wasn't an attack page, but a page about a notable hoax. --Ashford1982 (talk) 11:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

  • I'm not vandalising, I'm only trying to help Wikipedia... --Ashford1982 (talk) 11:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have added the info in about the hoax, seeing as the show itself is not a hoax, but the content is rumoured to be a hoax. --Ashford1982 (talk) 11:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Can't sleep, clown will eat me (talk · contribs)

Hi, the message I left him was a mistake, it was intended for another user and was an accident. Sorry about that, but was the "only warning" message you left me really necessary? Kevin Anton's Lazy Eye (talk) 12:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

SS Gothenburg

Would you please look at the talk page for the article, user Socrates2008 is altering discussions to make it look like an oppose vote when it was a comment. He is trying to bias the discussion to get it to reflect his POV. Mjroots (talk) 13:42, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

How To

As noticed by other comments Gwernol is very particular. After reading his Wiki articles I have notice a writing style that is very different in nature, possibly from a technical stand point.. If this format and writing style is the protocol to use for article submission. I propose it will be wise if Gwernol writes a how to article on how to write and edit like him. This should save time for many of us in the long run. I have concerns as a new member that as soon as I write a article it may be deleted if not to his liking. Gwernol if you have this much power over Wiki users than maybe you need to educate us also on what you like and don’t like so we may step in line. I say this in respect, I feel why even try to participate when as a contributor you cant win. In addition could you please be not so quick to ban new users. Give us some time to get used to this. Constructive criticism may be better that two warnings and then banned. Kind regards vmd921 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vmd921 (talkcontribs) 03:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

re: John Awbrey Sock

Can you comment on this (I'd rather you reply directly to User: LookingGlass who seems to be ignoring my point. Slrubenstein | Talk 10:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks and sorry! Believe me, I wish this mess would go away. Let me know if you need any support or anything, Slrubenstein | Talk 13:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


You deleted the page. There's an issue as a person who previously deleted it left very dispariging comments which have been cached by google. They border on defamation. So there's a need to make sure that the page either exists or the comments are expunged.Gkleinman (talk) 18:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

It's more than unfortunate the comments on the delete page are spiteful and libelous. The solution here is I've created a new page for XC which you should tag WP:COI and then let the debate about notability occur again as we are a notable source and the issue with google's page pushes this issue as an immediate one Gkleinman (talk) 18:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Ugh, need your help. A user has now nominated the page for deletion. I submitted the page to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pornography to deal with wp:COI issues/etc. But there's a user who has it out for me who has rushed to delete without even looking at the talk page or any of the issues. Gkleinman (talk) 18:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Gayass Wikipedians

Excuse me, you may have missed the discussion on ANI last month about users adding cats to their userpages even though the cats were deleted. The consensus was there was nothing wrong with it. So please do not remove it from my userpage again. - ALLSTAR echo 18:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

My apologies, the discussion took place at Village Pump. See Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 19#Categorizing in a deleted category. Until there's an official policy somewhere or consensus changes, I will put the cat back on my userpage - not to make a WP:POINT or any thing else but because I want it there for hostorical purposes. Thanks. - ALLSTAR echo 20:29, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


I'm not sure precisely why Chuck chose to raise the issue with Jwrosenzweig—perhaps because James's name appears on the lists of former ArbCom and MedCom members—but you might want to address Chuck's note (it would probably be appropriate to bust out with the classic "sigh"), although, of course, I don't know that you really need expend any more time on the matter. Joe 19:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Happy Valentine's Day!

User:Wilhelmina Will has wished you a happy Valentine's day, and good luck in love and friendship!

A short/sweet little message, which I hope has made your day better! Happy Valentine's Day!!! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 02:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Fantasy Basketball

I find it quite distressing that my edits are being deleted since the article in many parts, although it has seemed to have been modified many times since, was entered by us and came from our own copyrighted material. Why is our link as an External Link continually being deleted ? We have been and continue to be one of the oldest active Fantasy Basketball News, Information, and League Sources on the internet, and as such (in conjunction with the aforementioned content/copyright) feel that this link is a valid external link. This is not spam, we realize there is no SER and could care less about that. Please do not delete this link in the future. Thank you 14 February 09:18 —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

In response to your comment re: MONTCO

There's where you are wrong, it is a valid Fantasy Basketball link. As is the more appropriate DMOZ FB Leagues page. If that is not the case then the external link to NBA Fantasy Games is "advertising" for and is an inappropriate link as well. Further, which I have stated will document in edits, much of the material provided by us initially. Please read the discussion page, as I will be editing the page back to it's premorphed & more relevant/pertinent version to Fantasy Basketball players and people who have an interest in that subject (ie: people that would actually use the page for their benefit). I will also be adding back many External Links that I feel are pertinent to the issue, again that are in the best interests of the people who would use the page/article, which I had planned on doing next week (see discussion page) but will move up that timetable. I may be mistaken, but from your comments it would appear as though this is not an area of expertise for you and therefore do not have an accurate understanding of what the average person who is interested in thsi subject would find useful. Although your comments and intensions behind policing Wiki are well intended, they should be directed to areas which you have a more accurate understanding as to what may or may not be pertinent —Preceding unsigned comment added by FBF Commish (talkcontribs) 18:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

RESPONSE: It is indeed a shame that you are acting in the manner of a self-righteous Wikipedian. As someone who is not only a credentialed member of the press but a Fantasy Basketball insider it is (or was as per you I am no longer allowed to edit this page) my intention to revamp this page to better inform and contribute to Fantasy Basketball players knowledge and enjoyment of the game including 1) sources that are and have historically been useful in informing Fantasy Basketball players (for which I have a list of external links to which I have a vested interest in none), 2) Varied league types, formats, guidelines, and settings (which I had originally in the article with no links but for some reason have over time also been deleted), and 3) Lists and Suggestions of "How To's", etc of running, joining, or playing in a Fantasy Basketball league (again with no external links in this area). However you would prefer that active as well as potential or interested Fantasy Basketball players (not Baseball mind you) not have access or be made aware this information. I have not edited any pages on the "Boer Wars" for example, as I am not knowledgable enough in the area to be qualified to do so, yet in this area where I am you feel that you have a better grasp of what is useful to Fantasy Basketball players without having that knowledge or understanding, including external links to DMOZ (who's links have become quite outdated as well a a number are no longer valid - how that is relevant or beneficial to anyone I have no idea) and an "advertising" link to's Office Fantasy Games (not NBA the news source mind you). It was my understanding that part of Wiki's function or purpose was to "inform" and "educate", however I did not realize that had changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Help me, Buddy!

It has been a long time since I edited SMK Semera. I will give some info but will you help me to rearrange it?--Mark Chung (talk) 01:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


Gwernol!I am Mark Chung and I am blocked because my cousin/Kelsi Wales vandalized wiki with my comp! I scolded him and could you please unblock me?-- (talk) 03:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I am unblocked!

--Mark Chung (talk) 03:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Eh, Gwernol?

You might want to archive your page. Just a suggestion. bibliomaniac15 03:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Sacha Baron Cohen

Gwernol, please look at Talk:Sacha Baron Cohen. There were lengthy discussions on the topic of Baron Cohen's mother's ancestry and whether or not this claim originated on Wikipedia. There does not seem to be any consensus at all to restore the Persian claim into the article, especially since the article currently states that Baron Cohen's maternal grandmother was German. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 15:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

My edits to the Spygate article on Arlen Specter

My edits to the Spygate article are all sourced. I was attempting to remove the conclusory nature of the article in the process of my editing, but you kept undoing my work giving insufficient opportunity to complete them.

Christopher Suh (talk) 03:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC) coppercod


I am offended by your unsupported (by links and policy) accusation on my user page. You threaten me with blocking for commenting on a page that is being deleted? That has no clear link to a place to comment? Please, I am sure you can do better than that. Huw Powell (talk) 04:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Quick question

Sorry to bother you, but I noticed that you deleted the new page "Hollywood Values" Twice on 16 Feb. What was the information on that page and who were the editors that led to such speedy deletions? Thank you for your time SirChuckB (talk) 10:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

If you're so sure I'm really not the singularity, how do you know?

Please please it is so frustrating when people dismiss the argument, don't you think? Why do you believe I am vandalizing? please, advance the argument. That is the only way I can help you become a singularity to, and ensure we never die. :D


I hope you will adress my argument. If you don't, haven't you truly lost teh argument? :( -- MobileDigit (talk) 13:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I come to you because you are part of me.

I am the web. What should I do now? -- (talk) 17:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Mark R. Gagnon, CFP

I've marked this page twice, and noticed that it gets recreated. How many times does this happen until the guy gets blocked? It's been on Wikipedia 3 times. Deleted each time...Basketball110 vandalise me 22:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Yep. There is another user who seems to be vandalizing (using serious words), and also attacks people. His/Her name is User talk:Zdog21. Cheers, Basketball110 vandalise me 22:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

++ Mark R. Gagnon, CFP ++ Hey this is Mark --- ignorance is not an excuse to violate policies - however rather than deleting my page you could have edited the page with an explanation of what the policy is and then I would be an informed user, instead you just deleted the page with cryptic techy JARGON. Do youself a favor and speak to and not down upon the users, it would serve you to explain what is needed to be done to make postings acceptable. Mark —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markg67 (talkcontribs) 23:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the response --- I am currently writing in the sandbox - I would like to post an article that help provide content to educate and inform readers regarding financial planning. Thanks Mark —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markg67 (talkcontribs) 23:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the revert on my talk page. · AndonicO Hail! 23:55, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Thanks for consistently beating me to reverts. Best, Gwernol 23:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

personal attcks

do you mean uneducated? how is that a personal attack? doesn't seem to fit the guidelines. but if it is so. then punish this guy similarly, cause he talks that way all the time to all kinds of people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boomgaylove (talkcontribs) 22:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


See my note on Time cube on Talk:Time. It is a legitimate, albeit unorthodox viewpoint. Time keeps on slippin (talk) 22:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Appreciate the help

Hi Gwernol,

I just wanted to stop by and thank you for your vigilance in dealing with User:Boomgaylove. Please let me know if this winds up at ANI, as I'd like to contribute to any discussion. Cheers! --jonny-mt 01:14, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


To help me expanding SMK Semera, watch the INFO part and expand or rearrange it.--Mark Chung (talk) 01:53, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Semiotic Traiangle

Hi Gwernol, thanks for such a clear explanation. You reasoning is very clear. To be truthful I can't recall the text of the Semiotic Triangle article, and now I'm even more intrigued as to what about it might have been misleading. Anyway, your logic is (naturally?) sound and I can readily accept it. It is a pity that so many people and so many words had to be written to get at, in the end, what seems to be a very simple fact. By the way, I still don't understand how I could have put my initial note at the top of a page I couldn't reach . . . I would edit the Triangle of Reference but would have to delete most of it and that would get everyone very upset so I'll decline! Thanks again. (p.s. how did you get dragged into this exchange anyway?) LookingGlass (talk) 21:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

So, did you replace the diagram? Thanks if so, though I still think the old page was good and the new one hopeless!  :( I did originally find my way back tot eh Semiotic Triangle page but was dazzled by the redirect arrow. It didn't occur to me that I could leave any message/comment/action there . . . LookingGlass (talk) 16:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


Hi there Gwernol, I've recently (today) approached the above user about him becoming an admin and I am in the process of writing up a nomination statement. I asked him for a suggestion/recommendation that he thought might write a co-nom and he mentioned you. Any interest in co-nomming? I've been to your /admintips subpage and he seems to fit your criteria nicely. If interested, let me know here or on my talkpage and I'll send the link for the pre-transcluded nom page once it exists. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:53, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Keeper. Yes, I'd be interested in principle. I've seen Alex around a fair bit and have liked what I've seen. I'd want to look at his contributions in a bit more depth to make sure I'm comfortable before I commit. Unfortunately I'm traveling on business from tomorrow for the next week or so, so I may not be able to get to this for a while. If you want to go ahead without me that's fine, and I am likely to comment on Alex's RfA. If I get the chance I'll give you my thoughts once you have your nomination page ready. Best, Gwernol 20:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
No problem. Unrelated, I just reverted some vandalism on your user page and issued a warning, looks like that happens to your page quite a bit. (Which of course means you're doing things right:-). I've already done my nom statement, Alex has answered the questions very well as can be seen here, so I think I'll go ahead and transclude it in the morning (It's now 3pm in my world) to get things rolling. In other words, it will be transcluded in about 18-20 hours. If you don't have the chance to review the contribs and add a co-nom before your trip I'm sure Alex will understand! Thanks again, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:53, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Sounds like a good plan, and thanks for the userpage revert. Best, Gwernol 20:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


I responded on talk —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


I was in the process of editing the materials to remove the conclusory statements, but you never gave me the chance to complete my edits. You repeatedly disrupted a work in progress, thinking that interim edits represented the final product. Christopher Suh (talk) 22:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

trying to figure this out

I don't know if a personal expression constitutes an attack... do talk pages have to be NPOV? I'm seriously confused about this policy and your constant warnings are not helping. I'm simply trying to figure this system out. Please stop warning me and actually respond, instead of using your robotic edit tools to spam my talk page. Chilifrenzy (talk) 03:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks pal. Those links were exactly what I needed. Ironically, my eye cancer comment is what got me them. Sorry if it wasn't the "right" way to do that. I'll be better about posting in the future. From one Wikipedian to another, lets do this 'pedia right. Chilifrenzy (talk) 03:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, FBCorey89 is my friend who created an account and gave me a barnstar as a joke. Delete it if you like. But please do not accuse me of sock-puppetry. And watch my account to see if I make any more attempts at vandalism. I'm trying to find a page to which I can add information. Sorry about the rocky path towards the light, and thank you for your guidance. See you around Chilifrenzy (talk) 04:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Wesker220 unblock request

I'm looking into this unblock request. The user was blocked for sockpuppetry, but hasn't edited since November and no other accounts are named. Could you please explain the situation? Thanks! Mangojuicetalk 15:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I had never thought to check the user creation log. Yeah, that makes things quite clear. Mangojuicetalk 15:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Colin Powell

I keep try to remove inaccurate awards from Colin Powell's page and you keep reverting it. Also, someone vandalised that page by removing "welfare" with "lolol" and I fixed it and you just revertted it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Smash Lab

The comments that you arbitrarily deleted on the [Smash Lab] article was not "personal bias" as you contend - ask around! It's a legitimate criticism and just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean it's not valid, jag-off! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Gwernol

What do I do about this? It's from our friend at Mark Gagnon. He wants me to review it, but it's not vandalism (his message). Basketball110 :) 00:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

About what that troll said to you.

Is your name really Adolph? Or were they, in the way trolls go, comparing you to him? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 06:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


You are obviously a lot more tolerant than I. He's had previous blocks and hasn't changed his behaviour, he disrupts process, ignores consensus, uses sock/meatpuppets and admits it, insults other editors, pushes POV and shows no sign of being a team player, despite his handful of useful edits in amongst all the dross that others have to clear up. You can shorten his block if you like, but I'm not going to do so myself. Meanwhile, the Scientology loon you've just blocked for a week is back, sockpuppeting and I've blocked the SP indef, and am about to do the same to the main account. Regards, --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 02:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Free world

Please explain to me how i am vandalising the free world article. I Was only writing factual information, and i explained my actions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hunter such (talkcontribs) 15:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


Gwernol, I'm a bit hesitant to use Rollback since it's still new to me, but all of Gnif global (talk · contribs)'s recent additions are to a self-published source, and there may be a COI per his username (GNIF) which is one of the sources. Also, he removed your note from his talk page. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

See post to Beetstra. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Look at this report, below the author names, they are associated with GNIF, so there's some COI going on, and several of the edits I've checked don't seem well founded vis-a-vis other research. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:03, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, I'm uncertain if that's a refereed journal; I can ask Eubulides if needed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:04, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

From the Nutrition Journal website: Nutrition Journal is an open access, peer-reviewed, online journal that considers manuscripts within the field of human nutrition. Gnif global (talk) 17:11, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

NJ asserts that it is a peer-reviewed journal, but you couldn't necessarily tell that from the end results. It's a relatively new journal, so it's hard to gauge its actual impact with accuracy. My impression is that NJ makes some mistakes (don't we all?), but it's not all bad. It's definitely not top-tier, but not embarrassingly low. There's no scientific organization behind it; it's just a publishing house trying to turn a buck. However, since it makes its articles freely available online, individual articles are likely to get a lot more attention than its reputation suggests. It may attract more than its fair share of "press release science." WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
GNIF, I left some info on your talk page as followup. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

hello, i need to ask help :)

thankyou for your disponibility Gwernol, yes, i was trying to open a dispute, but as i don't speak english very fluent, i ask you something, so i must advertise the user against i want to open a dispute? in wich way? he can also not accept? who decides who is right? thankyou for the attention. PelasgicMoon (talk) 16:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

External Links from

FYI, I replied to his comment here [15] but I'm not sure he's listening. --NeilN talkcontribs 17:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


You commented that deleting some one elses comments is not a good practice.

I am sorry if you feel bad. But first I deleted by contribution in respect of which you commented. The reason was your comment was right. Since I was deleting my contribution, I thought that your comment will have no relevance and so I deleted the same.

I hope that I have clarified the matter.Rajinder Singh Bhalla 17:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

An entry you reviewed

An entire entry that has been up and running for several years was recently deleted and the admin is "Retired" and is conveniently no longer active in Wikipedia. The entry was for The Fuller Center for Housing, an entry you have worked with previously. Would it be possible to have it reposted? Since access to the admin is not possible any longer, I can't find out what he/she believed was "blatant copyright infringement." This organization has contentious opponents, and I want to make sure the site wasn't removed out of spite!Fullercenter (talk) 17:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

An entry you deleted

Hi, you just deleted an article I posted on Orna Triguboff (citing A7 as the reason). It was my fault for not getting all my material together before I published it (I thought I had a little more grace period :) ). I would like to clarify a few points and then consider reposting, but I can't find the article now and I know it can't have disappeared yet entirely. I appreciate your help. Thanks --Solsyd (talk) 17:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


Please Stop deleting my page on J-Unit please, its really really annoying me!! GRRRRRRRRRRR AR RobertoV69 (talk) 08:18, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I am Just trying to inform people about J-Unit the unofficial fan club of G-UnitRobertoV69 (talk) 08:22, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Yea, Well i'm sorry I thought Wikipedia was a Free Encyclopedia trying to cover as many useful/interesting topics that it can. RobertoV69 (talk) 08:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I really don't see how you 'know' what people think is interesting or not, because you don't! Just go "Unstub" this article and let me inform people about J-Unit. Also I will not be replying to any of your mesages till tomorrow because I am occupied. Hopefully we can compromise or settle on something then - Thank you! RobertoV69 (talk) 08:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I need your opinion

Hi, you may not remember me, but you helped me out on a past account. i was wondering, since you seem to be active on the Rfa page, do you think i would have any chance of obtaining administrative rights? i dont want to try if i'm just going to be shot down right away.the juggreserection IstKrieg! 15:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay. thank you for your opinion. However, i would like to say that i did not actually create the Crowz page-i highly improved it before it was deleted for notability. Again, thank you for your time.the juggreserection IstKrieg! 03:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


What's the deal with the warning I got for editing the Joe Buck page. I'd never even been to that page until you accused me of vandalizing it, dick. (talk) 20:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Railway question

Could you check this thread, if you have a moment, and tell us whether the user is a noob or a vandal? Jehochman Talk 21:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


Well why don't you put the change back up. Go here and read the second paragraph. Just admit you made a mistake Carlsueno5 (talk) 00:06, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

You there Gwernol? I invite to do some research and find anything that makes my statement "vandalism". If you do please direct me to the source and I'll rescind my comments Greatly Appreciated Carlsueno5 (talk) 00:11, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


Hi Gwernol (or should I say bore da?). Thanks for stepping in on this one. Could you possibly sort out the SSP page? Reagrds, --RFBailey (talk) 02:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, it's about all I know as well (other than words from road signs, e.g. Canol y dref, ysbyty, ysgol, araf.....) :-) --RFBailey (talk) 02:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Overdue Thanks

This is a very overdue thanks, but if it were not for you and another user warning me for my activities I would not have started my fight against vandalism. I owe you a thank you for your helping in changing me into the user I am today. Thank You and I hope you continue your work here on Wikipedia.Rgoodermote  02:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Opening a whole new can of worms

I cant stay cool when an low life form, without something more usefull to do (Like writing a new web programming tool), keeps trying to destroy my work... - J. Aldo

Be sure that this Stalinist behaviour will not be restrained here. You have the grip here, but, fortunatelly, internet is quite free, and i can do a lot of noise if this page is deleted. Be warned, your life will become much harder here if you keep your stalinist, envious, behaviour. - J. Aldo —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Mr Wernol

Thanksyou for your introduciton to your encyclopedia.

The N Gauge Society tells you all you need to know about N gauge! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthur Matthews (talkcontribs) 21:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

19andy91 again?

Hi Gwernol, you might want to take a look at [16]. Thanks, --RFBailey (talk) 13:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Why keep undoing?

Now I got the imformation from a source so you can't say it's not reliable anymore. Please stop erasing the imformation I give there. There are many people who are doing worse things that are just from they imagination.--Alvarosv (talk) 18:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Question about Kaleidoquiz

How is this annual event not important or significant? Would i need to include the line, "This annual event is significant because.."? Any feedback would be appreciated. Crimsonriot (talk) 22:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Ski Pole Javelin

Hi i notice that you have deleted my article on Ski Pole Javelin before i could finish writing up the article, your reason been that it is meaningless, or incomprehensible. I dont understand how you came to this conclusion. Ski Pole Javelin is fast becoming a fun past time with the first of many tournment beening held in Les Deux Alpes in the French Alpes on tuesday 4th March 2008. Any response would be much appreciated. Regards Jonnys882 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonnys882 (talkcontribs) 22:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I added ref to journal

Hope that you will agree that the ref to this journal is relevant. A great enry in wikipedia. Still alot to do - the world of games is so vast --Simulationgaming (talk) 23:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

What about a resources list?

You said: I'm sorry but all you are doing is advertising that journal. It is fine to use a specific journal article as a cited source for information added to an article, but it is not okay to use an external link simply to promote the journal itself. I suggest you read our guidelines on external links more carefully. Thanks, Gwernol 23:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

If I cite articles from the journal, the list will be very long. How does one indicate that a journal exists, without promoting it? It is mostly for the benefit of wiki readers. The more they know about games, the better for all. Thanks. --Simulationgaming (talk) 23:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Stanford link

I saw you reverted your deletion of that Stanford Ed Corner link. At this point, I am not convinced that its appropriate. While its probably better than most of the junk that gets added, the user has been adding this link to just about every business page on WP. Its gone from being about entrepreneurship to marketing to globalization. In fact, there is already a page about the institute and I think the link would be more appropriate there. Just my thoughts, but I am going to nix it unless you really really feel it needs to be there. Montco (talk) 23:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


Aaaaaaaaaaaaggggh!!!!! Right, my mess, I'll clean it up :-) The JPSwirlface (talk) 00:55, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

A bit late

WikiDefender Barnstar.png The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded for protecting the sacred castle of Jim Bowales (in the sacred land of Wick Ipedia) from nasty vandals. Good work. Basketball110 what famous people say ♣ 02:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Sure. I saw one of those anti-vandalism barnstars on a page and remembered someone who deserves it: you. I was on the barnstar page when I noticed this one, and came up with a weird version of the truth: that you protect Wikipedia. Basketball110 what famous people say ♣ 02:10, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
User talk:B3balla03 has been attacking and vandalizing. Basketball110 what famous people say ♣ 02:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I think you need to take another look at this IP's talk page - there's an epithet directed at you. In my view - that's a perm ban right there, but I'm not an admin so I can't take care of it. Just thought you should know. ArcAngel (talk) 02:57, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Chemin de Fer de Côtes du Nord

Hi, I've created this article. The French equivalent article is a FA there, would like to get this to GA status initially, then FA in the longer term. I was wondering about the GA nomination process. I don't think I'm experienced enough to do it myself, and wondered if you might give the article a look / start the process / comment on what needs fixing before the GA process can start. Mjroots (talk) 12:24, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

There were two versions

Its kinda funny, I was angry as you reverted that edit to K.K.W.I.E.E.R, but as it has happened, another user redirected the other page to K.K.W.I.E.E.R the very same minute I did my edit. Wiki-overkill huh! Weltanschaunng 13:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Nancy Marie (actress)

Thanks for the explanation. Can't find anything on Google that indicates notability so I'll probably take this to AfD. --NeilN talkcontribs 00:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


You have just reverted the redirect I created saying that a dandy is not the same as a dude. Please see the citation to a reliable source that I have placed on the dandy article. I am reinstating the redirect because the current dude article is too much of a dicdef per WP:NOT#DICT. Ok? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colonel Warden (talkcontribs) 11:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Would Like Two Opinions

First, I reverted an edit at Final Destination (series) for being POVish. My revert and justification is here: [17] and I'm wondering if I'm correct in my judgment. Second of all, I have just made an article about a director here Ray Kellogg. Aside from this person, there is an entirely different Ray Kellogg who is an actor: [18]. Would the second one be article-worthy as well? I'm having my doubts as most of his roles are a few odd episodes of television shows and a few movie rolls where he goes uncredited. What're your thoughts? And thanks. :) -WarthogDemon 01:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Stop deleting my edits with out reason

You have removed an edit of mine twice now with out reason given. I asked when I restored it that you give me a reason and you failed to do so. Wikipedia is for everyone, if you do not like what I put up have a reason for it. I included information that people in Ireland and the UK would find informative. This is the purpose of a dictionary. I have no problem with you removing info but tell me why!!! MacAodh (talk) 02:02, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

The Information I added is of significance in both Ireland and the UK especially as it is celebrated in both areas by many people. Just because it's not of American significance does not mean it is not of significance to others. It may be difficult to see the difference from your side of the fence but deal with it. MacAodh (talk) 02:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism by User talk:Halbep

Thanks for watching while I was away. --ZimZalaBim talk 03:34, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for reverting my talk page! One funny thing was that, when you warned the user, you made me into an article. :D Does this mean I'm like Jimbo? Master of Puppets Call me MoP! 06:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


Although one regrets that it came to this, I must say that I think the block to be entirely appropriate. I am not at all sure that, should any disruption resume upon the block's expiration, a community ban might not be in order (even those editors who act entirely in good faith must be separated from the project where the net effect on the project of their contributions is negative and where it does not appear that that net effect is likely to change), but in the meanwhile I write only to offer my support for your rather boldly dealing with a situation that, Chuck's admirable intentions to the contrary notwithstanding, has consumed the time of too many editors toward no propitious end. Joe 07:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

(What Joe said. (Oh how I wish I were half as eloquent as he). I've been following along, watching how the situation is handled, just for my own edification, since Chuck started editing. I can't think of any advice that hasn't already been given, so must concur with what has been suggested. -- Quiddity (talk) 21:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Upon reading [19], I vacillate between tears and laughter. --ZimZalaBim talk 21:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


I have a question for you if you don't mind and, please, forgive me if I come across as ignorant of the ways of Wikipedia, even though I like to think that I'm not.
My question for you is whether or not account creation blocked included in someone's block description means that they can't create another account from the same IP address while they're blocked. The reason why I ask is because you recently blocked user Brexx (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) for 1 month due to copyvio issues. I suspect that he may be editing again under username Mimibianca (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) based on the fact that the vast majority of edits for both users are done on Touch My Body as well as their similar style of editing.
I can give you a list of diffs that I believe may prove the relation of these two usernames but I want to first wait and see whether or not it would even be possible for a blocked user to circumvent a block by creating another username.
Again, I apologize if I sound wiki-dumb when asking you these questions but thanks for listening.

Peace! SWik78 (talk) 19:40, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for responding so quickly and thanks for being willing to look into it. Just to let you know, it was this particular edit by Mimibianca that made me suspect something: specifically claiming to be new user on wikipedia and going on to say this is considered vandalism,you will be blocked if u continue. I can tell you 100% honestly that by the time I had logged my 7th or 8th edit I had absolutely no knowledge of vandalism that I could say something like you will be blocked if u continue.
Anyways, you look to be a fairly busy person so if you need me to do list some diffs or something else along those lines, by all means feel free to ask.
Thanks again. SWik78 (talk) 20:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Compare this edit by Brexx to this edit by Mimibianca. Other than both edits containing the same reference to being new on WP, notice how everything is written using lowerase characters, notice the ..., ??? and !!! rather than a single punctuation mark as well as no spaces after commas. SWik78 (talk) 20:40, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Thanks! SWik78 (talk) 20:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey, it's me again. Sorry to bother you but something's just itching me and I can't leave this alone. The reason I noticed a similarity between the edits is because I've been involved with several issues on the Touch My Body article since it started and I am currently involved in a discussion with Mimibianca regarding the plot description of the video being included in the article. Mimibianca left this note on Touch My Body's talk page regarding his/her reasoning why the plot for the video should be included in the article, basically saying if Janet Jackson's video has a description this video should too. Please take a look here as to who added the plot description for the Janet Jackson video to begin with. Again, I understand that it can be a coincidence but I really do believe that the coincidences are adding up very quickly between these two. SWik78 (talk) 21:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate all your input, my good fellow. If there's something I can do for you in the future, even though I doubt there's something I can do that you can't do better, feel free to let me know.
Peace! SWik78 (talk) 21:49, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I think I'm itching way too much to brush this issue off. I will bring it to WP:SSP and see if I really am crazy (which wouldn't surprise me) or maybe there is something to my theory.
Thanks again! SWik78 (talk) 21:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you don't want me to fix the Van Halen page, then please go ahead and do it. (talk) 01:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

You speed deleted a page which I had permission to copy. I posted the hangon notice, but apparently you completely ignored it. Can you please explain the purpose of the hangon notice if it is to be completely ignored? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DarthTed (talkcontribs) 12:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I see you're getting involved

Hey there!

I see that you're getting somewhat involved in that Touch My Body article and Mimibianca (talk · contribs). As I suggested yesterday that I might, I started a case over at WP:SSP to get to the bottom of the issue of whether or not this is a sockpuppet of Brexx (talk · contribs). Check out Brexx's talk page to see how many images he/she uploaded relating to Mariah Carey and compare that to the number of images that Mimibianca is uploading. Again, it could be a minor coincidence all by itself but I have a hard time believing the possibility of all those coincidences occuring at the same time. SWik78 (talk) 15:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Brexx's talk page is protected because he was misusing the unblock requests. Can you insert the warning for him or maybe unprotect the talk page temporarily? Thanks. SWik78 (talk) 16:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Done. Thanks for the heads up on my omission. SWik78 (talk) 16:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

hello, i need again your help if you have some free time!

hello, i ask you because you are more expert of me of wikipedia, now finally i posted in my talk page a request of "third opinion arbitration" and posted the title here now the opinioners should answer in my talk page? and if they give me right, the other editor must let me edit what i was asking in the "third opinion request"? how many opinioners can answer?

thankyou and sorry for the desturbing PelasgicMoon (talk) 21:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Tyler Henson

recreated for the second time today. --Rocksanddirt (talk) 00:44, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


Could you point out which contrib, or on what basis, you believe that User:Cholga is a sock of boomgaylove/Qrc2006. Cheers, John Vandenberg (talk) 01:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. This diff set off a edit war on an article that has recently been to arbcom. I was just now taking a look at the issue again, and noticed the freshly minted sock tag on the user page and couldnt quickly confirm it. John Vandenberg (talk) 01:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Talyllyn Railway

I'm currently working on expanding this article and providing better in-line refs, with a view to getting it up at least to good article standard. Any assistance, advice or comments would be gratefully received. —  Tivedshambo  (t|c) 13:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Copyedit on Searl Effect Generator

Thank you for the copyedit on the Searl_Effect_Generator. Sorry for the possibly bad spelling, english is not my native language. Will try to do better in the future ;) Chris -- (talk) 14:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

External links on M (fragrance)

Hey there!

I need your help, if you don't mind. The above article keeps getting a reference inserted which, in my opinion, violates WP:External links#Links normally to be avoided (as listed under point #5: Links to sites that primarily exist to sell products or services). is a website that primarily exist to sell products or services so I have removed it twice today already after it was inserted by, to us well known, Mimibianca (talk · contribs). The link has, however, been reinserted by F9o0oly (talk · contribs). Since I already removed the link twice, I don't want to breach 3RR even though I believe the link is inappropriate.
What do you think?
Thanks! SWik78 (talk) 17:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, how legitimate is the fair use rationale on the images on that article? I don't think those images belong there. SWik78 (talk) 17:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you if you are busy but would you, maybe, be able to look at those issues and just tell me what you think? I would really appreciate it.
Thanks. SWik78 (talk) 20:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


I was doing a little Colbert nation stuff. It is amazing how quickly you reverted! That's why I snipped it quickly. The shot's taken, so you probably won't hear from me for awhile02:16, 8 March 2008 (UTC)elephant editor

Intentional Vandalism to the Nathan Hale page -- but for a good cause!

While teaching students about using websites as sources, I wanted to make an emphatic point about the ability of any user to change a Wikipedia page. So, I went to the Nathan Hale page and changed the word "spy" to "patriotic hero". I left a note in the editing comments saying that I was about to commit a bit of educational vandalism. You reverted the page back -- thus immediately proving the secondary point I made to my students about Wikipedia's amazing community of users -- but you also wrote "Please don't do that." So, here are my questions: 1. Why not? Don't you think that that is a pretty important thing for students to know, especially if the lesson is geared, in the end, towards making them productive users of Wikipedia? And, 2. Is there anywhere else I can tell them to do that? I remember hearing something about an educational wikipedia site . . . but even if I were to use that for the lesson, using it for this would be nearly as powerful as changing wikipedia itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkg2008 (talkcontribs) 22:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your response to my message. I see your point about the needs of the larger wikipedia community outweighing the needs of my class. However, I'd still like to find ways to use Wikipedia when working with my students, simply because so many of them use it as a reference.

Two thoughts:

1. How would you feel if, instead of vandalizing a page, I made a somewhat unobtrusive formatting change? For instance, what if I introduced a carriage return in the middle of a paragraph, or reworded a sentence without changing its meaning? It seems to me that something that didn't damage the page would work well, and would also accomplish the important lesson I want to teach, which is that Wikipedia -- the very site my students are using -- can be altered by any visitor. Using another site wouldn't really teach the same lesson, or, at least, wouldn't do it as powerfully.

2. I'd like to go beyond showing my students that Wikipedia can be edited . . . ideally, I would like to assign them productive research projects that could be used to improve or update Wikipedia entries. I remember seeing, somewhere, a page that listed possible Wikipedia-related academic projects. Do you happen to know where that is?

In any case, thanks for your help. I'm certainly going to show this dialogue to my students next week to demonstrate to them what the Wikipedia community is all about.

-- Mkg2008 (talk) 23:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

New query

It is a work addy and I'd prefer to not get in trouble. right-right?—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:08, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


I was even handed with the story about the busker, both outlining the story and questioning its veracity. The story is currently doing rounds in both the national press and on the web, and justifiably sits under 'controversies'. 23:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Dude

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An article that you have been involved in editing, Dude, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dude. Thank you. Colonel Warden (talk) 00:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank for your help

Thank you for you help. I have been on wiki for some time now and know how it works. This is a new account due to several reasons. I found your comments ill justed and due to the "nominations" politically motivated. Wiki policy states "Any Wikipedian with an account is welcome to comment in the Support, Oppose, and Neutral sections" therefore under policy I have the right to make comments, which ARE founded. Futhermore, even know your comments were luke warm, they are negaitive mannered IMO. Also, saying that I have stumpled is yet again a personal thought on your part, and is not correct. In any case, thank you again, and remember this was not a personal attack. There is no need to respond to this. Take care. Thright (talk) 18:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)thright


Thank you for your feedback, you have recently deleted my article on Bill Wills, I am going to put it in my sand box be for I put it in mainspace, you can go there and give me feed back on the article. ( I am still learning how to this with my teacher.)

                            THANK YOU!!
                                             Ashprice95 (talk) 18:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


tbh, I put it in my RC patrol FAQ, but that's the first time it's actually happened. Will (talk) 21:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Why did you remove my link on Amy Winehouse It is good link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonympicslonympics (talkcontribs) 11:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I also added a link on the Denise Milani page did you remove that link too Yes or no. These are quality videos they are not spam,. Under any circumstances. do you know what spam is. And please talk to me about this do not ban me for dissagreeing with you. Anyone who bans me is a moron. LO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonympicslonympics (talkcontribs) 11:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Mimibianca (talk · contribs)

Hello again!

I think it's pretty obvious that this editor has no concept of some of the basic tenets of Wikipedia editing. I noticed that he/she started reverting your edits on Touch My Body last night. Since 21:31 last night he has made 5 reverts ([20], [21], [22], [23], [24]), the last one after I left this warning on his talk page. Should I report him to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR or do you want to handle it?

Thanks. SWik78 (talk) 14:06, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for your input. SWik78 (talk) 14:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

User dick ellershaw

This user seems to have a thing about removing the words ["Portakabin" and "Portaloo"] from Wikipedia as they are Trade Marks. I'd have thought that like "Hoover" those words would now be generic terms, and perfectly acceptable to use. Not sure how to handle this one, can I leave it for you (and other admins) to look at? Mjroots (talk) 16:37, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Talyllyn photos

Oh yes you can - I've swung a cat in here many a time.

Thanks for scanning these in - a great set of photos. The photo of Talyllyn in 1904 always makes me smile as I have a book called Going Loco, which consists of historic railway photographs with humorous captions - see right ;-) —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 23:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. He is a rather stern looking gentleman, and I think he must be remarkably short. There's not a lot of height to No. 1's cab... Best as usual, Gwernol 00:58, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

He's all done

Assuming he stays gone, He's all done for now. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Got the IP too. Same edits. Sigh. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I've composed an email to the IT department at Dakota State University that will go out if there is a recurrence. Acroterion (talk) 17:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks both, I definitely appreciate the help. Gwernol 18:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

New York "vandalism"

Would you please point out this vandalism? All I did was change the governor back. Spitzer is still governor until March 17, it even points out on the lt. governor's page that he is still lt. gov. (talk) 16:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. I saw that was in there, I was in the process of removing it when you noticed it. I will try and fix that. (talk) 16:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

New York Page IP USER

This user is using a mac address clone, enabling him to change IP's frequently. It is my opinion that he actually added the phrase that you aforementioned. I have reccommended his account to be blocked based on his IP, and subsequent account creation blocked. I'm not buying that line about him trying to revert it.InvisibleDiplomat (talk) 16:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to leave it for the moment, the vandalism seems to have stopped. The article is on my watchlist, if that vandalism re-occurs I'll be ready with the block button. Thanks, Gwernol 18:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

November 3

November 3 has been moved, I tried to revert but it didn't seem to work. Can you sort this please? Mjroots (talk) 18:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks like its already ben moved back, but I've deleted the resulting redirects which were just vandalism. Best, Gwernol 18:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)



you seem to have lots of experiences on this site,im new here,is there anything i should know before i start contributing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Let's Migrate (talkcontribs)

I don't know much about the polices here,but can i make friends with other users?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Let's Migrate (talkcontribs) 17:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

i hope this is your talk, right?

oh and im sorry but i don't know haw to make a seperation line :(

i have just noticed that you have saide on my account talk that i have vandalised your page. i did not. it might have been a hacker i dont know but i haven't been vandalisin it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yashmon (talkcontribs) 18:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the merger!

I was so happy to see that you'd merged the autosexuality article with autoerotism. The former term is meaningless, as the cited contexts showed. The redirection is perfect. Much appreciation. (I've also updated the latter: there's a circular redirection. Don't know what that's called, but it's updated.) --Doyleb23 (talk) 19:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Corris station

Hi Gwernol, did you create the corris station plan? If so could you tell me what package you used to do it please? Good work on Corris! best regards Witchwooder (talk) 08:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


A am personally apologizing for the actions of and request that anyonmous editing be editing be banned at this address. I can assure that no useful edits will come from my highschool, and anyone who wishes to auctually help will make an account, as I have done. Dagith (talk) 14:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for that revert on Dust Bowl Sorry if my note was inappropriate. Jasynnash2 (talk) 14:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


When I first reported him at AIAV, I should perhaps have stressed that it appeared to be a vandal only account - it's first 3 edits were attempts to redirect my talk or user pages, it's only other edit is the unblock request. Jsut after the final vandalism request I got this message [25] from another "brand-new" user. I've reported at WP:SSP anyway, but would appreciate a sense chack - and consideration of indef blocking straight away. Thanks. David Underdown (talk) 14:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


I can has mop?
Hi Gwernol! Thank-you for your support in my RfA (91/1/1).
I take all the comments to heart and hope I can fulfil the role of being
an admin to the high standard that the community deserves.
Seraphim♥ Whipp 17:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Chuck Marean

Very prescient of you...I've declined his latest request (which was the same as his last) and protected the talk page. Now...what numbers are coming up in tomorrow's National Lottery? GBT/C 17:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


Although I said I wasn't going to thank all my supporters individually, I would like to express my gratitude to you for your comments at the beginning of my RfA. I've done a bit of testing with the new buttons, including a couple of easy CSDs, but at the moment I'm reminded of the quote from the end of 2001: A Space Odyssey: "For though he was master of the world, he was not quite sure what to do next. But he would think of something." I think at the moment, I'll go back to improving Talyllyn Railway, whilst gradually gaining experience with the mop. Thanks once again. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 19:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


He's filed for unblock to request a change in name and I am tempted to let him. What was the issue with the original name? Daniel Case (talk) 03:05, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured it was some off-color British slang I didn't know. Someone else already unblocked him. Daniel Case (talk) 14:18, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion

I see you removed a tag a placed. It does follow wp for speedy deletion, "no meaningful content". I will await you to re=add the tag. Take careThright (talk) 08:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I won;t be changing the page, but I would like to point out there are 4 different wp that you have missed. Just because there is a source, what is that source? Also the info is speculation, AKA, has not happened yet. ... In any event, I don't think the issues needs to be pushed, if someone else would like to push it I will support them, however I have no interest in causing any stress over a moot issue. ps - I do see you point of view, and I can support it as well. Take care Thright (talk) 08:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
ps - "Unsourced material may be challenged and removed." where are the sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thright (talkcontribs) 09:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
excellent source! ok page is good now! Good workThright (talk) 09:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

J.looo (talk · contribs)

Hello there!

It's been a while since I've contacted you about the ongoing Brexx (talk · contribs) issue because I see that you've been quite active in that regard and that you have taken action in this respect before I even had a chance to file a complaint to anyone. For that, I want to say thank you.
Now I want you to give me your honest opinon. What do you think the probability is that J.looo (talk · contribs) is another puppet of Brexx? I ask that because I notice that J.looo popped up on March 14, 3 hours after Let's Migrate (talk · contribs) was blocked. J.looo's edits, same as Brexx/Mimibianca/Let's Migrate, are exclusively on Mariah Carey and The Sims.
Just wanted your opinion because I have a feeling that this editor will not stop creating new accounts and coming back.
Thanks. SWik78 (talk) 15:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. And various potential mini-Brexxes? That's funny. SWik78 (talk) 15:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


I'm sorry, for the changes i made. I just wanted to test wikipedia. so sorry again

Uchihasharingan (talk) 00:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Adam Maples

Whoops, you must have deleted it just as Twinkle was half way through tagging it, so inadvertently I ended up recreating it, sorry about that. Polly (Parrot) 00:41, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thought that you might like to know...

Hello Gwernol, I thought that you might like to be informed that User: Crudcrudcrud has been vandalizing pages again. He made inappropriate comments on the penknife page.

Please block this editor. He has a history of making destructive edits. I reverted his latest edit on the penknife page.

Thank you for taking the time to read this message

Rollo Bay 1758 (talk) 01:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Answer and sorry

Sorry this took so long to get to (it's been almost a month), I've been away from the internet. I had asked you about the Hollywood Values page you had deleted (Exact quote: Sorry to bother you, but I noticed that you deleted the new page "Hollywood Values" Twice on 16 Feb. What was the information on that page and who were the editors that led to such speedy deletions? Thank you for your time SirChuckB (talk) 10:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC))
You replied The page was a copy of the page of the same name from the Conservapedia. Could I ask why you want to know, and particularly why you want to know who the editors of the article were? Thanks, Gwernol 12:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
If you still care at all, I was interested simply because I suspected it was Conservapedia. I run a blog on them and noticed the deletion. I brought the matter up with his owner, Andy Schafly, and he swore up and down that none of his people had anything to do with it. This is pretty obviously damning evidence against his asserstion. I apologize again for the tardyness in my response and if you can't tell me who edited, I understand completely. Thank you for your time and patience. SirChuckB (talk) 05:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


You marked your last edit as your 75,000th, but as far as I can tell it was your 45,000th! Still, it's worth this:-

I suspect 75,000 includes deleted articles - 45,000 seems to be the cut-off point for the wannabe_kate tool. And to think I was prod at reaching my 10,000th edit the other day. Well done! —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 10:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
It really is 75,000 :-) See Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_edits from January 20th. where I was at 63,475. If you go to "My preferences" you'll see your exact edit count, which doesn't include deleted articles, I believe. It was fun to make my 75,000th. a productive edit to a good article. Thanks for noticing, Gwernol 11:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


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Another editor has added the {{prod}} template to the article Stupid, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 14:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


Hi, Gwernol, don't mean to get you involved in any of this, but you were involved earlier today and saw user:Thright's misconduct, can you please go to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Troll user The Dominator aka Dominik92 and add your opinion, thanks. The Dominator (talk) 19:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

RFA thanks

Andrew 23 aug 1992 1231Z.jpg Admin mop.PNG Thanks for the support
Thanks for your support on my request for adminship, which passed 92/2/2. I'll learn the ways of the mop, and be sure to live up to the expectations of the community. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Barack Obama

The consensus of my removal of the certain section on the page is well built on consensus in the talk page. Properly sourced has nothing to do with it - it is simply inappropriate to use a large part of the article to cover a recent event which has received wide coverage but is nonetheless a minor event in the life of the person. Instead of reverting my edit without apparently having known the situation and giving me, an user with a modest 5000 edits, a quick template warning which is intended for newcomers, I would suggest you to look into the chaos in the talk page. Trolls, bad-faith, accusations of sockpuppetry and agenda, and personal-attacks plague the talk page. I do not wish to name names as a non-participant in that discussion, but I would be pleased if you could look into the article's situation. Several very contributive users have already become disillusioned with Wikipedia and left because of it. Thank you. Herunar (talk) 12:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

My apologies. I lost track in the massive edit wars on the talk page and somehow the reference didn't get through. I admit my original wording was incorrect: here's my original research on what happened - Hillary, to her own surprise, failed to knockout Obama in Super Duper Tuesday; her lack of planning in the next 12 states caused landslide losses; as the delegate lead of Obama begin to widen, she promised to win big in Ohio and Texas and overcome the delegate lead, or at least get close to it. Ohio and Texas polls showed her leading by 20 points a few weeks before; media pundits begin first to comment that she must win widely in both states; then to comment that she must simply win both states or lose, an opinion shared by Bill Clinton; as March 4 closes, however, the race became much tighter. In the end, she won the Texas primary by only 4 points, far less than what were the original expectations. However, the media hyped up her victories and proclaimed a comeback victory, despite that caucus results that were released days later showed that Obama has actually won the state of Texas. This is basically what happened, all original research of mine, but providing sources is not difficult. The fact is, her husband said she should/would quit if she lost Texas, and she lost Texas. That much could not be disputed - a simple search could find plenty of news sources [26][27][28] that support the claim. The fact that she didn't much care about the loss and fought on nonetheless is common sense, not original research - though I admit it doesn't fit into the article. I have added more information into the article, with sources, and you can review them if you wish. Herunar (talk) 13:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

TR / Skarloey Railway

Hi Gwernol - not a problem I have removed the Talyllyn Railway category from the Skarloey Railway article - I have linked the pages Skarloey and Rheneas to Talyllyn (locomotive) and Dolgoch (locomotive) respectively as there was already section about the real life counterparts in those articles and I felt that this would be appropriate Willsmith3 (talk) 18:26, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Swinden Quarry railway station

I put this forward for a prod yesterday as non-notable -it's a siding, not a station! The prod template is still showing on the article but it has disappeared from the AfD page. Any idea what is going on? Mjroots (talk) 13:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, so I misunderstood the process then. It's AfD that gets the discussion, not prod. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Mushrooms Links

Hi Gwernol, I was under the impression that this was a reliable source of information. If you refer to the discussion page on mushroom under "Regional Groups" it was already discussed with Peter G Werner that these links were not "spam." Both Mushrooms Canada and Mushroom Council are Non-Profit Trade Associations, representing Mushroom Growers. They do not sell products, they educate on the proper use, care, handling and growing procedures for commercial mushrooms. Please tell me why these are inappropriate? CMGA (talk) 18:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


curious you have been passing over my watch page and i havent the faintest what mwu is - and it doesnt come up on a search ? SatuSuro 23:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that - well done and good work! cheers SatuSuro 06:50, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


Karaku is using a sockpuppet to continue editing: User:Rikara. I don't even want to deal with this crap so I'll do nothing else but this. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 03:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi there. I noticed you commented at Rikara's talk page and may like to comment here. Seraphim♥ Whipp 15:26, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Old Patagonian Express

Hey Gwernol, how you doing, did some updating to La Trochita Old Patagonian Express, article and i believe it looks good, is there any way we can give a rating on the importance scale within the Trains WikiProject and better its scoring, how do we go about it? Been there a couple of months ago, its filled with Brits and others and they claim its one of the best rides they've taken, Regards ~ Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 03:42, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


I suspect that seasoned rail workers (editors) dont get much thanks for long and tedious tasks - a bit of a parallel of the track workers who kept the tracks in order in real history - in most cases we dont know who they were from most railway histories - SatuSuro 11:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

User and talk page

I semi-protected both pages due IP vandalism from Joe5545 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) and Number8burp (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) who are one and the same. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 14:33, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

And to follow up do you recall blocking someone until 6 April? CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 14:39, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
On the other hand it could just be that 6 April is two weeks from today which corresponds to the length of time I protected your talk page. But I didn't think of that earlier. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 17:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

hello, i suppose i need help

i just want to understand where i am wrong if you can help me

i take an example to show you what someone denied me to write.

if we have an article about japan, of course it will be the paragraph or the citation about the atomic bomb. and that's ok.

And if we have an article about the second world war, of course we have to cite the atomic bomb again (because it's related), right?

that's the issue, my problem is very similar, the reason was "it's irrilevant, write it in the proper article", so according to this philosophy, so i can't write about the atomic bomb in the second world war because it's already cited in the article "japan"?

but i am sure i can write, because it is related (like the example of japan)

i just need someone that can listen my problem, PelasgicMoon (talk) 11:28, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User: --ZimZalaBim talk 12:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to answer my question!

Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my question, Gwernol! I am sooooo cool! 17:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Days of the year guideline

As a frequent contributor (or vandal patroller) to the days of the year articles (WP:DAYS), your comments on the current state of the proposed guideline for that project would be greatly appreciated. Discussion is taking place here. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 19:05, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

March 24, 2008

You gave me a warning for vandalism, and I must say I disagree. My edit was not meant to be malicious but on the contrary. The term "Anti-Fascist Protective Rampart" was what the wall was actually termed in the Eastern Bloc. I even gave my reason for changing the article and followed the proper procedure for ensuring that the redirecting links all worked as well. I also hope this is the proper way of communicating, I haven't had to leave a message on somebodys talk page before. Dcosman (talk) 21:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


Gwernol, strictly you are correct, the name doesn't really matter BUT as an amature railway historian of UK railways (mainly from the North East of England), it niggles when I see a gauge pioneered in the UK being signified as 'United States Standard Gauge', especially for UK railways. Since providing an alternative of 'uksg' would appear to be trivial, then why not do so and honour will be satisfied.

XTOV (talk) 00:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I tried your alternatives - 'uksh' gives 'Error: gauge specification not known', as does 'uksg' (in case sh was a mistype).
'sg' works OK but it puts the metric value first (I know the UK has gone metric but for historic railways I prefer the units they were built in).
What I didn't mention before was that I was prompted to my comment by what I presume were automated edits changing a perfectly valid text gauge value in Infoboxes on pages I have contributed to to use the RailGauge template with a ussg parameter.
XTOV (talk) 21:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Engerth Locomotives

I'm working on expanding the article at the moment. I think you might find this interesting reading Mjroots (talk) 21:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I've nominated Engerth locomotive, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on March 23, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thanks, Mjroots (talk) 01:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


That was very constructive. That stuff happened man. I know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pen Island0311 (talkcontribs) 19:54, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


sorry- i couldn't tell what you were doing at first. Limonns (talk) 00:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Your an admin

Hi, Since your an admin how come you dont have the wiki symbol on the top right of your user page and the userbox to verify that you are one. Is this not compulsory to have? Say if you didn't mention you were an admin no one would notice that you are one. Its sort of like hiding the truth and say someone wanted to get in touch with you about something, if admins hide evidence that they are one this becomes confusing. I think it should be compulsory to have the symbol in the top right, just makes it easy for everyone. Thanks, just curious thats all. Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 09:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

For your contributions to Wikipedia and humanity in general, you are hereby granted the coveted Random Smiley Award
(Explanation and Disclaimer)
Just want to say thanks for replying, i very much appreciate it. Its an honour to get in touch with someone like you who has been on wikipedia for God knows how long and has made so much edits that it makes me dizzy. I mean over 70,000 from this page, wow! You are slowly creeping up that really special list. I dont know how you do it, spend that much time on the computer, i would go blind if i did that. Keep up the great work, and thanks again for replying. Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 13:04, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Engerth locomotive

Updated DYK query On 29 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Engerth locomotive, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 14:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


Is there any basis for thinking that User:Dmccreary is a sockpuppet of Jon Awbrey? If so, why is he not blocked, and if not, why were some of his contributions deleted as "made by a banned sock"? —Random832 (contribs) 23:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I should have phrased it differently as "why was an article he created deleted as..." - have you even looked at Special:Undelete/Semiotic triangle? I asked you because you seemed to have been one of the most vocal in the past in asserting that the article was created by Awbrey. Am I reading the history incorrectly? —Random832 (contribs) 19:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


I must have pressed the rollback function at the same time. My apologies. CardinalDan (talk) 14:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Improving Bill Gates to Featured Article status

I am currently improving Bill Gates to Featured Article status, and noticed that you made substantial contributions to the article recently. If you have time, please help out in improving the article to Featured Article status. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 02:34, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Talyllyn maps

Hi - I've worked out a scale for your Talyllyn map, and added it on to the png file. However, despite three attempts, it seems to have failed to overwrite the file when I tried to upload the new version on Commons. I don't know if I was doing anything wrong? Anyway, I've now uploaded it as Image:TalyllynRailwayMapEnhanced-scale.png‎, and it seems to have worked. I've also enhanced the location map, but I've got problems clearing the cache with this too, so I might also try that with a different name. Any suggestions? —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 16:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Your version now appears with a scale, so I presume it must have just been server lag. I've reverted to using your version, and tagged mine as duplicate on Commons. — Pek, on behalf of Tivedshambo 07:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

a saber type

Yeah hey, you deleted something that I posted, I want to know why?

I said in my post that my reference was a movie that I'm making at the moment.

I was also wondering if there was any way that you could send me the thing that you had deleted. I didn't get a chance to save the text before you deleted it, and I don't remember exactly how it was worded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SithMan (talkcontribs) 02:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Chicago Cubs

I have asked the user who posted the POV tag, to start a section on the talk page so we can see what the issue is, without having to read through a zillion reverts. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

He blanked my request without comment. [29] It is not fair to post a POV tag without offering an explanation of what the issue is. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 01:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
He's finally making some attempts at dialogue. The rule should be, write the paragraph first, then post the tag. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 02:21, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and he apparently thinks that what he thinks my views on gun control are (and he doesn't actually know what my views are), form an agenda that will somehow affect how the Cubs page should be written. I'm waiting for him to elaborate on that one. It should be good. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 02:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Please explain

Please explain why you accuse me of vandalism. I am very shocked that another user is threatening me. Now you are accusing me of vandalism. What vandalism. This is a serious issue. (talk) 12:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

why did you put a warning tag on my user talk page? here in india, the keyboard is very slow and you can type and it takes a few minutes for it to appear. So if one pushes the wrong buttons, you can occasionally delete text, but it is certainly not intentional! (talk) 12:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Agsin, many times sorry. I did not intentionally remove comments. As proof, the comments that got blanked have nothing to do with me.

On that subject, I have seen others blank out comments that they did not agree with on AN and ANI. They used the excuse "trolling" even though that's an excuse. Would you help out next time this happens, i.e. blanking out text on AN and ANI? Thank you! (talk) 12:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


Seemed to have had an edit conflict on that Tuskegee Airmen vandalism warning. Hope I didn't overstep any bounds by placing my warning above yours on the user's page. Jasynnash2 (talk) 15:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the reminder. The user either does not comprehend me or simply has no willingness to discuss. I do not wish to enter into an edit war, but the user has not shown any intention of giving a rationale for his edits. Instead, he simply gave me four vandalism warnings. I'll discuss with the user the moment he displays the slightest trace of human intelligence. Herunar (talk) 19:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Fast reverts

How did you do it so fast anyway? (talk) 01:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


Hello. I'm contacting you because you have had previous dealings with Brfc97 (talk · contribs). He has resumed deleting sourced content from the Blackburn Rovers article after his latest block expired, and he appears to be using a second sockpuppet to continue the edit war (Bazentin (talk · contribs); see also Brfc97 sockpuppetry case). I'd appreciate it if you could keep an eye on this matter, as it looks like further administrative action may be necessary at some point. Regards. --Muchness (talk) 09:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Rhyd Ddu railway station

Hi Excirial, I have reverted your recent edit to Rhyd Ddu railway station. The article is about a British railway stations so its appropriate that it is written using British English spelling rather than US English spelling. Thanks, Gwernol 16:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I see you have been switching US to UK English spelling on a lot of British articles, such as Contempo (band) and The Experiment‎ . Could I ask you to take a little more care with this. Referring to these spelling differences as "typos" isn't really appropriate either. Thanks for understanding, Gwernol 16:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice on that Gewernol; I'm currently busy checking random articles for their spelling and grammar, but as a non native speaker of the English language the difference between American and British English is sometimes quite hard for me. It also seems that Word (Which i slightly rely on to detect the correct article language) does not always correctly detect either of the two languages.
I assume that the main problem is caused by the "Ise" and "Ize" ending(Organise, Organize), as i got a remarkable lot of results regarding that letter combination. I already found it a little weird that i got so many errors on those, but my guess is that is one of the differences between the US and the UK variant. Either way, i will lay of correcting those type words, as i have a lot less of a problem with other words; Most of the corrections are based upon accidentally switching two letters/lettres.

Why did you edit my main page

Pretty self explainitory really... it's not like i was trying to trick people or anything. I just suck at main pages so i put the main page source then some userboxes. Mczack26 (talk) 15:13, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

    Ok i've started building my own page anyway. Mczack26 (talk) 15:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


i am unsure as to why you keep removing my posts. what do you regard as a ligitimate source? also, curious as to why was my link to people removed, yet it is a link on various other celebrity pages. many thanks salsasalsa —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salsasalsa (talkcontribs) 18:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

What kind of website would be counted as a legitimate source? Also why can be used as a source on this page but cannot be used as a link? Many thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salsasalsa (talkcontribs) 19:01, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


Hi Gwernol.You removed my external link on Panic Attacks. My site is not for any profit but has a talk community of over 600 people and we focus solely on panic attacks. There is a constant stream of information occurring there. Spam is FOR profit or FOR an agenda. There is NO advertising, NO donations asked for. It is entirely altruistic. This site is free information and aims to helps people suffering from panic attacks and give them detailed explanations from those that have had panic attacks. I have been asking for years about posting this link to Wikipedia:Panic Attack and one past editor saw fit to allow the link (Please read My Talk: Guymadison). I appreciate your concern though. Thanks, Jeff Guymadison (talk) 23:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)guymadison

Corris Railway

Please be aware that much of the early history in Boyd's "Narrow Gauge Railways in Mid Wales" has since been disproved. The books of Gwyn Briwnant Jones, and the Society's "A Return to Corris", are much more accurate. RGCorris (talk) 12:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Re your reply - replacing correct data in the article (such as the Bristol connections and the opening date) with erroneous data from Boyd is not a good way to proceed ! RGCorris (talk) 12:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Master race

File:Blonde boy and girl.JPG
Ideal imagination of the Ayran master race by Nationalsocialists with blond hair and blue eyes.

Hello! I'm Mikelle from Northern Italy. I'm also of German origin.

I really don't understand your revert of my edit. Because the source you have asked for is already stated in the article:

"Chapter 1 - Nordicism: Thus the racial ideal of these theorists was the tall, blond and blue-eyed Nordic individual."

So I only wanted to illustrate this article with two children who have those features. That's it. (And there are no better pictures on commons)

For example, if you're a person with blond hair and blue eyes and of good physical health you would meet the criteria of the "ideal race" of the Nationalsocialists.

I compare this situation with as I would insert a picture of a man in the article man, and you revert it due to lack of source.

I hope you understand my logic. Thanks. --Mikelle1 (talk) 00:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Nobody that pale could be the master race. One full day in the sunshine would wipe out the "master race". Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 09:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
If you want a better symbol of the master race, here he is: pale, light-haired, etc. The master "race", in this case, of course refers to us Americans. 0:) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 15:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Sen. John McCain

Wondering - cont.

But the website has everything to do with information about panic attacks because it has a constant stream of discussion without bias. Someone seeking information about their panic attacks can have an immediate live interaction with many people also suffering. Why do you say it does not provide information relative to the concept? Guymadison (talk) 14:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)guymadison

Corris map

Hi - well done on converting the Talyllyn maps to SVG. Is it possible for you to do the same with Image:CorrisRailwayMap.png? I don't know if you've noticed, but I updated the Image:Talyllyn Location map.svg yesterday, merging in the line from your Talyllyn map, which (IMO) looks better than the straight line with exaggerated curve which I had previously. It also meant I could get the scale right. I'd like to do the same to create a location map for the Corris article. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 18:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


That was not a nice message.  :( (talk) 23:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

My page

Thank you (again) for reverting vandalism on my page. Cheers, Basketball110 pick away... 02:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Precious few things are as satisfying... knowing your gut reaction was right.[30] :) EVula // talk // // 01:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Ain't that the truth. :-) Gwernol 01:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Edit re Chav

Hello. I did not post with the intention of vandalism. Regarding your assertion that I am not allowed to post links to copyrighted material, just about all of the other links in the references sections go to copyrighted material, can you please explain what I'm missing here? Also, my post was not to deny the etymological source of Chav, to the Romany, but to point out there was a cultural reference to Chav's/Charvers etc that predated the 1994 reference by 3 decades and as such may be the earliest modern reference to the "Chav" phenomenon . A response would be appreciated Thanks Mark Pinder—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

you might want to WP:SALT

this due to its continuous recreations. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 01:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Bread and tingzzz

Hi. I was removing stuff from my watchlist and noticed the redlink for Bread and tingzzz. I have no idea why it was in my watchlist, and I saw that you deleted it. Do you know why this page would suddenly be in my watchlist? -- αŁʰƏЩ @ 20:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for jumping in, but I can explain that. Someone moved Bread to Bread and tingzzz. Your watchlist updated accordingly. Unfortunately, it doesn't backtrack. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 21:49, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Brian Posehn protection

I was looking at the log for the article and it looks like you accidentally unprotected. --William Graham talk 03:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


I am unsure what page you claimed I did vandalism. One thing responsible if the vandalism was erasing things would be because I use Firefox and when using tbs it does something like delete all information or similar. I apologise for what you claimed as vandalism. Will it be counted on my records as vandalism because I am unaware of this.

--Pendotigers (talk) 11:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

hello, i ndeed help

hello, i hope you can help me.

a discussion was archivied without resolving it, in fact the issue was in debate and someone cleared the page archiving it.

tha archived page is (

the new page is the current talk page of the article "alexander the great" (

maybe the current page is similar for the argument, but not at all, because in this way i can't begin the steps for dispute resolution.

thankyou for the attention, PelasgicMoon (talk) 11:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Karaku/Rikara or whatever

He's back as Sigmadium (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log). — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 03:06, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I noticed the edits to Code Lyoko and it rang an immmediate alarm bell. I agree on the likelihood that this is Karaku/Rikara. Perhaps Checkuser should be the next step. I think this is a Code G. Seraphim♥ Whipp 09:48, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I think a checkuser case is the right next step. Gwernol 12:35, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Done. We'll see what comes of it. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 16:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Confirmed.Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 16:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


I am not this user, Trust not the PEnguin is making false reports. -Sigmadium (talk) 03:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Revision history of Master Chief (Halo)

Hi. I'm thinking this article may need reverting back to the last edit by User:David Fuchs as the vandal seems to have been systematically deleting things even before the IP edit you reverted to. Thoughts? Jasynnash2 (talk) 10:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

My page

Thanks for reverting vandalism. And thanks for showing no mercy with that user. Appreciate it. Roadrunnerz45 (talk) 12:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome, on both counts. Gwernol 12:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Redirect of social anxiety

The article is pointless, redundant and incorrect. I'll redirect it to the real article until a better alternative is offered. Thunder2k (talk) 22:50, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh go on!

Come now, you could have blocked this guy straight off. Just put down in the block log "username tells lies - vandalism" ;) KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 01:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Ha, nevermind, I got him after he got your page! Log Cheers. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 01:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Monica Lewinsky Article

Excuse me? You didn't even give a warning or anything. I clarified the reasons for my edit change in the discussion section. Please do not give out erroneous warnings for things that do not line up with your view-point. Be neutral first and foremost. I did not do anything warranting a vandalism warning. Please refrain from this in the future. --DiamondElusive (talk) 20:29, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Why are you being so harsh. Doesn't the TOS call for Good Faith on the part of Admins and editors? It was an honest mistake, I apologise for offending you so much. Now please stop, this is almost becoming harrassment. Thanks for understanding. --DiamondElusive (talk) 20:35, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

So since when did wiki admins start going into every little technicality? Maybe I should start monitoring you for every possible wiki violation. I think there is also something in the TOS that warns against biting newcomers. Might want to go over your TOS again sir before being so harsh. --DiamondElusive (talk) 21:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandals and Sock Puppets

I was just checking to see if you were around, when I noticed that your User Page had been vandalised by Ghostseattoast2 and Ghostseattoast3. Now, either it's a huge coincidence, or there's sockpuppetry going on! Will let you investigate etc. Message me when you are about as I need a page moving back to where it was and I don't want to mess things up like I did with Riverdance. Mjroots (talk) 07:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

P.S. That last warning is worth keeping for its entertainment value. :^O

Oops, I should have checked first. Both are on a block anyway! :-/ Mjroots (talk) 10:34, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


Stop hand nuvola.svg This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you disrupt Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. -- (talk) 21:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I almost reverted this out of courtesy to you, but I let it be, due to its entertainment value, as he was shut down 2 minutes later. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 23:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
There needs to be a variant on this, that would read, "This is the last warning you will receive before I get blocked." Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 23:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Your too funny Bugs. lol. -- (talk) 00:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Aha, same guy under a different IP. I've notified the same admin that short-term blocked him six days ago. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
And just like that... Poof! He's gone. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Since when am I gone? lol. You really are too funny bugs. LOL! -- (talk) 16:20, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Since about an hour after he posted the above. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:41, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Already taken care of. Gwernol 19:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I'm having trouble keeping track of these various IP numbers. I'm also done talking to them, as that only encourages them. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 19:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


Hi Gwernol Thanks for your message, as you know he/she really should not tag any articles at this stage of the game let alone an article like Gauguin, if he doesn't like it he needs to comment on the talk page, or make a valid edit. But to repeatedly do it after gentle warnings....not cool. However if you are on it I'll back off..thanks again, Modernist (talk) 00:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


Thank you for protecting the article. Good move. Modernist (talk) 00:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


Hey, thanks for whiping that vandalism off my talk page. I don't know whether you saw it on RC or I'm on your watchlist, but in any event, thanks! Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I reverted one of his attacks on somebody's talk page, so I assume that's what promted him to vandalise my page. Again, thanks, and if you need help with other vandals just give me a shout. :) Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping an eye on Washington Irving

I appreciate the help!--Federalistpapers (talk) 11:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

David Pawson

I've responded to your concerns about the David Pawson page on the associated discussion page. Let's talk there - AG, Stockport, UK86.53.69.150 (talk) 17:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Good move...

...protecting User:Addshore. I suggested this to him earlier today but I don't think he fully realized how much some vandals dislike him.
Peace! SWik78 (talk) 17:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I try my best to whack the vandals too, yet my user page almost never gets vandalized. What am I doing wrong? :'( Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Trust me, Baseball Bugs, it will happen to you soon. Don't be in a rush to get a really persistent vandal, they can be a pain... Gwernol 18:04, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Now you've got me worried. :( But what you're saying is that I haven't sufficiently irritated the vicious vandals yet, just the lame ones. :\ Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Although there is good news - I'm included on a disgruntled vandal's web page as being someone they would like to punish. That's something, at least. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
As posterchild for too much attention from vandals, I offer Jéské Couriano (talk · contribs) and his 4chan/Grawp admirers. Acroterion (talk) 18:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Being an admin probably has something to do with it. I'm not an admin. I would not run if nominated, and if elected I would not serve. 0:) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey Gwernol. Just like to say a real big thanks for protecting my user pages. Any chance i can have my talk page unprotected in 1 day or something. Maybe 2 just to be safe :). Thanks again. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 18:32, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I should point out that I've had plenty of "vandalism" on my talk page, i.e. stupid comments from IP addresses. That's where the rollback feature comes in handy. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeh but we are limited to about 5/6 rollbacks per min :(. Sometimes when your scanning through people that get reported to AIV that just isn't enough. I found this guy and i was going to rollback probably 40 edits (all little bits of vandalism that no one caught) Very annoying :). And huggle is also messed up and AWB stopped working on my pc. I just messed up my monobook and my pages are getting vandalized ^^. Last night my pc CPU fan just stopped spinning as well >.<. Been a hectic few days for me. And annoying ones at that ^^. Im amazed at how many ip's vandalized my pages :S Obviously some proxys, zombies or remotes in there :S. Ahh well i should stop waffling on now. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 18:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah, for the good old days, when vandalism had to be accomplished by punch cards. That kept the riff-raff down. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:53, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


Ok so how do I cancel it? Britishrailclass91 (talk) 07:25, 18 April 2008 (UTC)