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No, nothing serious, just go and follow the Great User:Drmies example ...
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A holy water container (stoup)


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A small memento of myself - a charming photographic portrait of my favorite Pekingese, Lucia, - a daughter of the late and much mourned Crippen. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 20:19, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


DYK credits[edit]

Find link User:Hafspajen/Temp‎; Hi Hafspajen, I credited you, Yngvadottir and Eric on the DYK for Gingerbread house - you can see the actual nomination here. SuggestBot seems to have done odd things to your talk page - the background is all grey starting from a section higher up? SagaciousPhil - Chat 17:10, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that, Gareth - it was making my eyes go all funny! Confused-tpvgames.png SagaciousPhil - Chat 18:46, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
No, I thank you for pointing it out. Much better now — do hope our kind host approves ..(!).. Cheers! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 18:51, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks, dear friends. All bots are crazy, no doubt about that... Hafspajen (talk) 19:07, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

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Forglen House draft[edit]

On the stage, HH the Dalai Lama, HH The Karmapa (wearing red deity hat signifying red secret bodhicitta), thangkas, Kalachakra pavilion, monks, nun, formal robes, Kalachakra for World Peace, Washington D.C., USA.jpg

Thanks for adding the pics into the draft for me, Hafspajen, it's very much appreciated! I've a long way to go on it yet but I've managed to find plenty of refs to use. I'm just hoping that once the weather improves - it's a bit wet and miserable today - I'll then be able to get some pictures of the mausoleum, which is in some woodland a little distance from the main house and up a rather rough muddy track. I think to get Drmies to notice (s)he is sitting in the Cultural depictions of dogs article, you might need to link his/her name in the caption? Face-smile.svg SagaciousPhil - Chat 13:57, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Well done of you. Those are very good pics. He is a he, most definitely. Well, I try. Hafspajen (talk) 14:01, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Drat and double drat, I see you noticed the delicate lean on the main house picture? And here I was thinking I could start a new tourist attraction, a bit like the Leaning Tower of Pisa! SagaciousPhil - Chat 16:24, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Sorry Phil. It is leaning... a bit like the Leaning Tower of Pisa, yes. But probably the castle is quite verical. But you said that you will go back, and than you can take maybe a new pic? Or - crop this one? Hafspajen (talk) 16:30, 16 January 2014 (UTC)




Padma Dorje (1128-88) as a Mahasiddha (Great Adept) and Lamas LACMA M.81.206.12.jpg
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Yes you do[edit]

PanoAnnapurana.JPG No messages. Just checking, 74, Mandy 2328 if it works. Hafspajen (talk) 03:45, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

RRRAaaarrrrRRRRRrrrrrrgggghhh.. nice dragons.. good dragons.... 1-800 2328 4711 7471 — (talk) 08:36, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you have new messages. Your talk page is like spagetti, and I am tired of it. Tired of rolling up and down and get lost in it, all the time, all the time. Let's discuss - Mandy - How about that breakfast - saving then? Some refs ->[1][2][3][4] Musical snow globe Snow globe-3rd, 7th and 9th chapter of the Bhagavad Gita . Hafspajen (talk) 20:13, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
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Well, if my talkpage is like a lump of spaghetti, your talkpage is like... a museum! Cool window, especially.  :-)   Thanks for my pillow-fighters, do you like my caption? I cannot help you restore breakfast, this month anyways. But with any luck, we can bring in some newcomers to balance out the deletionists. About nine inclusionists, for every one deletionist, sounds about right. What are you up to nowadays, besides decorating talkpages with art? (talk) 00:58, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Nice car. Convertibles are all the rage nowadays. Wind in your hair, sun on your arms, all that jazz.  :-)   Have you seen that movie, with the car, and the girl? You know, the good one. (talk) 01:34, 6 February 2014 (UTC)


I love your talk page! It's a beautiful article in itself. Also thanks for great work on Wedding. (talk) 02:19, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

God to have[edit]

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File:Leshan Sichuan China-Old bridge-02.jpg[edit]

We'd need to make it more prominent in the article, but what's your opinion of this? Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:02, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Very nice, and a better place is doable. I would cut of just a little - NOT much, just sightly of the foregroung. It would be beneficial for the composition. But I would not touch the reflection in the water and leave quite a bit under the bridge reflection too. Crop off about ... half of the distance between the reflection of the bridge in the water and the edge of the pic as it is now. Hafspajen (talk) 17:08, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
That does cut off the top of the pagoda reflection on the right, though. Is that a problem? Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:50, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I meant that the pagoda reflection should be the last thing seen in water. Not a problem, but it will make the picture closer to the Golden ratio. Hafspajen (talk) 21:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
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Our Lady of the Good Star.

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Belated Franz[edit]

I asked about people who know Russian and Russian history better than me, but I'm afraid Franz Roubaud is rather obscure. Apparently nothing in major Soviet biographical encyclopedias either.

Sorry that I forgot about replying. Better late than never, I suppose. :-| Hope you have a nice jul and all!

Peter Isotalo 19:46, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Hafspajen (talk) 01:33, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I love this talk page!!! Ceoil (talk) 11:22, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

A non free media[edit]

Tobias vangt de vis.
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Was missing that guy arround... Hafspajen (talk) 19:50, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

I know it is too long[edit]

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Consider nominating[edit]


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Baiser Judas


Wonder if playing with that rabbit wouldn't be more fun


A barnstar for you![edit]

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For the article..... Ṫ Ḧ the fury of the naturegiven flesh 12:04, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Thaks Herald! May I ask what that fury means? Hafspajen (talk) 13:04, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Mean tempestuousness..Hint:WP:ROGUE, seeing my future....Ṫ Ḧ the fury of the naturegiven flesh 13:17, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
{{Template:User rouge wannabe}}..Ṫ Ḧ the fury of the naturegiven flesh 13:20, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
I changed the sign Haffy, so as to reflect my faith and future..Ṫ Ḧ the joy of the LORDmy strength 03:45, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


Yeah, an other red-link guy.

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and an other, guys, guys

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Pieter Bruegel the Elder- The Harvesters - Google Art Project.jpg[edit]

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Department of Fun[edit]

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Category talk:Talkpages decorated by Hafspajen begs for a decoration, doesn't it? Or am I pushing it over the limits now? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:31, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

nobody is ever happy with this page.

Hafspajen (talk) 16:47, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


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Just because you are so swell and multi-layered[edit]

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Spekkoek naturel en pandan.jpg Cake for you
Two pieces of spekkoek for you, since you might like to share it with a puppy. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:41, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

OH, how sweet of you, nice to see you around! Hafspajen (talk) 22:59, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Carl Haag[edit]

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I see you edited this page back in January. I was just checking him out, as I was standing next to a dealer this morning who bought one of his for over £2,300. He was bidding against a telephone bidder. It was The Old Inn at Gennazzano. I was surprised as I'd never heard of Haag. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 13:32, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Well, he is rather good. Your art collection is still not complete? Thought you succeed by now to clear the art market and pinch every available art item on sale in whole Great Britain.... Hafspajen (talk) 13:40, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Check out this one. Evening at Balmoral Castle or The Stags Brought Home by Carl Haag, showing Albert throwing two dead stags at queen Victoria's feet. Hafspajen (talk) 13:46, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
The stag party has started! Looks pretty good. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 13:51, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Not a stag and doe? Hafspajen (talk) 13:56, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
  • That is either the worst or the weirdest self-portrait I've ever seen. Drmies (talk) 02:40, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Vincent van Gogh - Houses at Auvers - Google Art Project.jpg[edit]

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Hey buddy!

Hey Hafspajen: Does your user name stand for...

  • Hafs – Haves yourself a
  • en – While editing English Wikipedia.

Hmmm? North America1000 05:13, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Could definitely understod so. Hafspajen (talk) 05:29, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Hmmm...PBJ tastes good! North America1000 06:13, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Scottish breakfast
  • Hafs – Haves yourself a
  • en – While editing English Wikipedia. North America1000 06:50, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Not bad for an admin, NA! Drmies (talk) 02:35, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


Michelangelo-Genius of Victory

--Hafspajen (talk) 07:02, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Francesco Buoneri, called Cecco del Caravaggio - The Resurrection - Google Art Project.jpg[edit]

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The Swedes arrive on the coast.

No wonder they built a wall. ;) CorinneSD (talk)
What wall? Phosphophyllite-t06-164b.jpgHafspajen (talk)
The guy looks like a Asterix reenactor, if I mays say. Happy Eastern! 14:03, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Hadrian's wall. Who wrote "The guy looks like..."? There's no signature (and "Easter" is misspelled). CorinneSD (talk) 17:27, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Mysterious. But on this page misspelling is allowed, is not an article. Hafspajen (talk) 17:50, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Is that Damian Lewis as a Viking LOL?♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:58, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

  • That is how people think I am, - I guess... Hafspajen (talk) 17:00, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Note use of striped Swedish hippy-loon "wiki-trouser"
- More like this, I feel. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:47, 8 April 2015 (UTC) :



More food?

[Bishzilla eats the Napoleon cake.] Worth eating even though small! :-) bishzilla ROARR!! 22:03, 8 April 2015 (UTC).

Small? SMALL? Hafspajen (talk) 22:10, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
[This is a recurring problem. Bishzilla trains her magnifying glass on the tiny Napoleon cake.] Aha, now see it! bishzilla ROARR!! 22:33, 8 April 2015 (UTC).
  • Is this animal big enough? Hafspajen (talk) 10:19, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Good fortune awaits Bishzilla.
  • Very nice steak. Appreciate, little Hafspaj. [Bishzilla helps herself to a small fortune cookie to round off her meal.] Look, message inside reads "You will meet a handsome Megalodon next time you go swimming"! Blush, twirl! bishzilla ROARR!! 16:38, 9 April 2015 (UTC).
Bishzilla will meet a handsome stranger.

Edit summary said "Eats Handsome Stranger" Reminded me of Eats, Shoots & Leaves. 7&6=thirteen () 17:02, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Face-smile.svg. - I am afraid Zilly still could Eat the Handsome Stranger. He is called The Oatmeal - maybe was not the best choice. Hafspajen (talk) 17:06, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

[The little bishonen loses patience with all these bumbling Jurassic creatures and fixes the captions.] Hafspaj, you removed the fortune cookie caption and meant to add it to the Oatmeal photo, I think. But you have to have the "thumb" code for it to show up. 'shonen fixed. Bishonen | talk 19:24, 10 April 2015 (UTC).

Yeah, and it makes a big white fält, little Bizonen. --Hafspajen (talk) 19:27, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Oatmeal-boy to left. Hafspajen (talk) 19:29, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Ambrosius Bosschaert the Elder (Dutch - Flower Still Life - Google Art Project.jpg[edit]

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Thank you[edit]

Fairy Chuckle Brand Mascot.jpg For all the nice things you do
Thank you for all the lovely images you place on talk pages to help cheer everyone up and all the other nice things you do. You help make Wikipedia a better place. SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:46, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Phil... Face-smile.svg Hafspajen (talk) 09:48, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
You're welcome! Looking at all the delicious food and drink you've put in the fridge at Bishzilla's pocket has been making me very hungry - maybe I'll have to spend some time in there ... SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:54, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Should keep Bishzilla out of danger of getting hungry for a while... and visitors as well ... Hafspajen (talk) 10:03, 9 April 2015 (UTC)


Хафспаен, you might be interested in this: Sca (talk) 14:00, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Could be a reference at Hokusai - or maybe external link? --Hapceh (talk) 14:25, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Ashok Bhushan Article[edit]

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Hello Haffy,

Have a look at my new article Ashok Bhushan. I think it came well but please have a look. Bellus Delphina talk 15:43, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Two minor points = Smt. Kalavathi Srivasthava. What does the Smt. stand for? And graduation in Arts you mean master of arts? Hafspajen (talk) 15:47, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

First point the answer is here Shrimati. :D Its pure Indian :D and the second one Bachelor of Arts I guess its not clearly mentioned in the reference, just arts its everywhere, is that ok if I keep it like that, or you want me to remove it ? Bellus Delphina talk 15:58, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Not at all. Clarified. Hafspajen (talk) 16:08, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much.... Cheers Bellus Delphina talk 16:13, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Statue of Edward Snowden[edit]

See if there is anything we missed, please. 7&6=thirteen () 16:10, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Bolding the first para. Is it the sculpture that was installed in Fort Greene Park in Fort Greene, Brooklyn, New York City, on April 6, 2015. or Snowden himself? (Can't be of course, but it sounds like it right now) Hafspajen (talk) 16:21, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. 7&6=thirteen () 16:23, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
I am big into trying to recognize and give recognition to able assistance.
One of my main complaints about Wikipedia is that we do not give out as many 'attaboys' as we should. Editor retention is a big deal, and accolades should not be reserved for only the most deserving or visible. It's a systemic problem (and giving "thanks"—which is very nice—should not supplant barnstars, etc.)
We're all volunteers and a pat-on-the-head is not too much to give.
That's just my opinion. 7&6=thirteen () 17:36, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Hafspajen (talk) 18:22, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
You have often shared great art.
A gift from the heart.
And appreciated thou art. 7&6=thirteen () 18:30, 9 April 2015 (UTC)


You left me a message on my talk page a few days back. I've been off wiki for about a week, so didn't see it until now. I can't find your message. What did you need? I read a very interesting article about the art work Iran has stored in its vaults. What was interesting was the amount of modernist and impressionist works. It was all procured before the 1979 revolution. Bgwhite (talk) 21:40, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Lost a message? Wich one? Hafspajen (talk) 21:43, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Looks like Bgwhite is talking about this Talkback message. Looks like whatever it referred to has been archived by The Bot. -- Softlavender (talk) 12:47, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
  • That was a April 1 joke. The point was that he should come running over here, just to discover a message - No messages, April's Fool - well, it worked, only a bit late... Hafspajen (talk) 12:52, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Well, I am mentally and physically slow. It takes me awhile to understand these things. April 1st is also my family's holiday and we are a bunch of fools. In the US, tax day is April 15th. That is the real April Fools day. Bgwhite (talk) 19:59, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Badly Written Boy[edit]

Also 'sta mane' by L'Alba Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 12:41, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Crediting the the wrong person is serious. Also writing things and not having any idea is no good either. Hafspajen (talk) 12:43, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
These things are also bad idea, [5] name calling and accusations [6] - considering this. Hafspajen (talk) 17:44, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I got told off for writing that "artists "finished" their paintings once the canvases were hung on the walls." (this is the Royal Academy Varnishing Day). Like a dog I run to the back and bite the ankle Face-smile.svg. Where else would they finish their paintings? On the effing floor? There's no room… Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 18:46, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Eh, who? Where? Hafspajen (talk) 18:59, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Featured Content[edit]

Shall we use Skype or e-mail?

We would like to have a group discussion on Skype text chat with everyone on the FC team. In a few days, User:Go Phightins! will contact you privately to coordinate this. Please let him know about your availability if you are willing to participate. Thank you. Gamaliel (talk) 16:09, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I am not having anything against discussing things, Gamaliel - at all. I am rater having security issues about Skype. There is software available for free download to hack Skype accounts. Hafspajen (talk) 18:39, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I really want to discuss this issue, but I don't trust Skype. Is there any other way to do this? Hafspajen (talk) 19:18, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Re: your question on my talk (can we keep the discussion here?), you would (a) create an account, (b) add us so that we can add you to the channel, (c) use the account at a designated time so that we can work out these issues, and (d) close the account once we're done. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:36, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
On Wiki I can be anonymous. Checked how it works. They are asking after my real name, address, telephone number, and so on. If all that can be hacked than both e-mail and Wikipedia is more secure. Go.P. has an e-mail. I gave him permission to distribute it to you - Gamaliel, Resident Mario and Tony. Not to Pilot though. Isn't that possible to use that? Hafspajen (talk) 19:43, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
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Just check all this, all free to download: How Hack Skype Password

Also Skype#Security and privacy ...Hafspajen (talk) 19:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm new to this. Could someone please tell me why the discussion can't take place on a Wikipedia page somewhere? CorinneSD (talk) 21:03, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
We want to discuss some potentially sensitive matters, so people may want privacy. We want them to be able to be candid and not have to worry about their comments being permanently preserved on Wikipedia. We also want to avoid third parties who have no interest in FC hijacking the discussion for their own ends or to create drama. Gamaliel (talk) 21:29, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Oh. Thanks for explaining. What do you think of what Hafs said about Skype? CorinneSD (talk) 21:52, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't give claims like password hacking any credence until I can find at least one reputable site that shows they work (Digiwonk, listed above, is mildly trustworthy, but their method requires access to the target's email or credit card information. If someone has one or both of those, Skype is the absolute least of your worries). Hafs, I don't use my real name, address, or telephone number on Skype. Just make something up! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:00, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Huh. Doesn't sounds very honest. But there was also concerns of getting access to the target's email or credit card, yes. I don't know if you read those sites, or others - similar. Hafspajen (talk) 22:06, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
If you insist on privacy isn't an e-mail just as good? one can send email to several people. Hafspajen (talk) 22:22, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Honest? Skype does not require you to use your real name. See their terms of use. As for email/credit card, I don't think you understand the article. To get access to a Skype account, the article advises that the break into the target's email or get their credit card information. That doesn't go the other way around.
Email is far slower, much more formal, and incredibly unwieldy with a large chain of people. I don't see why Skype is such a problem. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 11:44, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Well, I promised not to enable e-mail on Wiki for example, so I have to keep that promise. About enabling Skype, it is not something I discussed through, but I will check with our security. If they thin it is OK, I will. Otherwise you do already have an e-mail, only for communication purposes with you, Signpost redaction, through Go.P. --Hafspajen (talk) 12:43, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Comic book[edit]

I found a comic book the chronicles my life after being a "mad brute" in the great war. Bgwhite (talk) 01:10, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Every eye was on Roselle Carpenter as she put an arm around the gorilla and led him out on the floor to dance. “I’m just a little stiff from polo” he said. “I don’t care where you’re from- let’s dance!” Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:29, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:P.S. Krøyer - Summer evening on Skagen's Beach. Anna Ancher and Marie Krøyer walking together. - Google Art Project.jpg[edit]

P.S. Krøyer - Summer evening on Skagen's Beach. Anna Ancher and Marie Krøyer walking together. - Google Art Project.jpg
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Today's funny article...[edit]

Saw this blurb in List of events in the history of the San Francisco Police Department: 68,000 citizens vote on measure BB to allow officer Bob Geary to carry his puppet, Brendon O'Smarty on patrol.

The Bob Geary article is an interesting read. Yes Hafs, if I had known about it back in the 90's, I could have been Geary's dummy. Bgwhite (talk) 06:50, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Sounds like fun thing. 13:46, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Muffin man[edit]

Paul Sandby - London Cries- A Muffin Man - Google Art Project.jpg Muffin man
Northamerica1000 has given you a Muffin man! Cheers, North America1000 14:29, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh, how delicious, now I have my own supply .... any time. Hafspajen (talk) 14:38, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

A blueberry muffin for you.
- CorinneSD (talk) 15:55, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Of course you can have some[edit]

Bthl.jpg Some Tanghulu for you
Some Tanghulu for you too, because you are sweet too. (Just be a bit careful of any that are made of hawthorn; the stones have probably been removed, but these fruit are used medicinally as a heart stimulant, so there might be a bit of a buzz even in the candy kind.) Sminthopsis84 (talk) 20:18, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Nice, nice... very nice. Hafspajen (talk) 20:32, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


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Hello, Hafspajen. You have new messages at Northamerica1000's talk page.
Message added 21:48, 11 April 2015 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

North America1000 21:48, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Incredibly inappropriate[edit]

Although I've seen it argued that you meant to use "shouting," this was very clearly a deliberate and provocative use of the word "shooting." There was no need to take that comment to a logical extreme, and you've now upset the user even more. Please don't troll like that again. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:51, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

One can wonder who upset who. Please tell hin not to call me full of shit, childish, idiotic and that I have to grow up - so on, I was not the one who started this. Why is everybody mad at me, when he is such an incredibly uncivil guy and NOBODY EVER SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT EVER, IT IS ALWAYS EVERYTHING MY FAULT, ALWAYS, WHAT AM I SOME KIND OF SCAPEGOAT OR WHAT? Hafspajen (talk) 23:25, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I did meant shouting . Because I was thinking about something happened. Yesterday somebody was suddenly shouting insults at me - me, who he had never even met before; on the street and it was really unpleasant. Just because he thought I put my bicycle on the wrong place, who knows - probably HIS goat died or maybe his guinea pig. Or he lost his canary somewhere. But still, in Sweden we don't kill each others on the streets like Americans do (meaning that only an American can really think anyone would write a thing like that, nobody would think like this here.) Hafspajen (talk) 02:03, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

If this is a troll, then we need to be careful. It is a nice troll, and we must not hurt it.
Hey, sexist troll! Sigh... What to say here? Several jokes and wordplays come to my mind, but I won't articulate them now. Though... "What a difference a typo makes". Take care, cool down. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:38, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Joshua, don't worry for that category, there will be no more Hafspajen around to decorate any more. : User:Ex-Hafspajen (talk) 02:03, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you![edit]

Gaufre biscuit.jpg I am sorry to see people treat you this way. There are a lot of people here that simply adore you Hafs. Me being one of them. You must not leave before you can help to decorate my talk page, I had been meaning to ask you, Please stay. Sometimes people around here can act like jerks.. Word! Cheers! WordSeventeen (talk) 02:20, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. We vere enemies some time, but thanks, anyway. Yes, I know, I always know. Try to love instead of hate. It might work. : User:Ex-Hafspajen (talk) 02:03, 12 April 2015 (UTC)


This cat in a hat
Says don't leave like that.
Come back let us play
And have a fun day!

-- Softlavender (talk) 03:02, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Only a cat can make one come back from the dead. Thank you for the intention, I really appreciate the feeling behind it, Softlavender. but isn't anyone reading that edit notice.... I am alergic tio cats, yes, for real. Can't leave a cat stay forever on this page. User:Ex-Hafspajen (talk) 02:03, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I forgot you were a doge person!
Softlavender (talk) 03:12, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Albert Edelfelt - Louis Pasteur - 1885.jpg[edit]

Albert Edelfelt - Louis Pasteur - 1885.jpg
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Realized that nobody will understand a thing what happened[edit]

User WP: Pilot - is a user that was blocked for incivility already He said he was uncivil because his cat died. But he is uncivil everywhere, even before.Not the first time, [7], [8], [9], [10], User_talk:Castncoot #Learning to Fly at User_talk:Ahunt#User:WPPilot(don't believe it when he say me and him fixed our problems, we never did fixed anything)]. He is much for seeing things and attacks where there is no reason to believe there is any.

WPPilot started editing the Signpost, AND I swear I NEVER asked him to start editing it regularely. The first incident was when he never checked what he was writing, when making a description on the featured subject, saying the Capitol was finished in 1800 - a factual error. I covered up that.
But he never stopped to edit in is this sloppy way, he just went on and just non-stop copied everything from the articles, and took everything, pasted it in, with IPAs, sometimes ever references included, than he expected that we should fix that. It is just as much work, if not more to do so, It is to no help. Doing Signpost was something I enjoyed, that gradually was getting worse, because of this editor, it would have been better if he never did anything at all,- because it was just as much work fixing his entries than doing it all by yourself. He was doing just more incoherent, sloppy editing. We had discussions on his edits User talk: Adam Cuerden#Featured content, (mind it is entry Nr 181), but he carried on the same way. Also, here, and he never stopped copying. Here, the very last issue - he was copying my own words, on top of everything, [11] and [12] and made it so badly that nobody understood my comment 'so much for an unicorn cos he never ever EXPLAINED it at all, that unicorns prefer virgins. How could anyone expect that people should get the comment it he doesn't explain it - they are not supposed to know that.

you are childish and unproductive, What is wrong with you? You whine like a little child, and continue to bash me at ever chance you can get. Grow up and get over it, act like a child .. just ridiculous and your out of line, act like a child - again, Hafspajen you are borderline crazy - clearly out of your mind,

The borderline crazy - clearly out of your mind that was this mistake. Phil who corrects my spelling errors all over the place, realized much faster what is this all about. But Pilot, he went on complaining at Gamaliel's user calls me potential murderer. I explained above - I was shouring at in the main street by some old guy who ... read it. [13]

  • Than Ed comes rushing saying I am a troll. [14]. Are administrators allowed to carry on like this? He previously called me sexist too, accusing me for adding sexist degrading comments towards women. None of that was true. Not even close. Nobody ever called me a troll here under my entire carrier. I perceive this as a most serious accusation, and even wors than sexist. Also the Skype program ... well, I think one should discuss things openly. Somewhere this has to end, and and it ends here. User:Ex-Hafspajen (talk) 05:54, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Well, Ed didn't call you a sexist troll: he was talking about two comments, from unrelated discussions, and he didn't say it about you. On the other hand, WPPilot, this was pretty assholish and really counts as a personal attack. Hafspajen, I hope to see you around soon. If all else fails, consider doing what I sometimes do: stick with the articles and stay away from the chat. Or log in to one of your sock accounts... Drmies (talk) 22:25, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Last words[edit]

Book of Leviticus 19.

Do not steal.
Do not lie.
Do not deceive one another.
Do not swear falsely by my name and so profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.
Do not defraud or rob your neighbor.
Do not hold back the wages of a hired worker overnight.
Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind, but fear your God. I am the Lord.
Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.
Do not go about spreading slander among your people.


... but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

User:Ex-Hafspajen (talk) 02:03, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
And forgive, and turn the other cheek if necessary, and don't walk away. Rosa Parks didn't walk away, nor did Martin Luther King. I expect you to come back after a (prolonged?) Wiki-break, simple as that. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:00, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Illegitimi non carborundum[edit]

Sea Otter mother with one baby pup (9170770574).jpg Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me
Hang in there Baby (Lyrics+deutsche Übersetzung) Bridgit Mendler
Hang in there, baby! 7&6=thirteen () 18:22, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

No bullying[edit]

Bully Free Zone.jpg No WP:Bully
Apparently some of us let power go to our head. You have my sympathy. 7&6=thirteen () 18:44, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Could it be – dare I say it – Pilot error? It's a big encyclopedia. Can't we all just avoid one another? Your presence is a benefit to the project. 7&6=thirteen () 12:41, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


Wikipedia can never have enough people who bring depth and breadth of actual knowledge to the project (as opposed to people with a facility for slapping together articles from the half-understood results of Google searches). It would be a shame if you were to leave, depriving us of one of them. Awien (talk) 23:45, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

We love you, Hafs[edit]

Hafs, we love you. Come back! Just stay away from difficult editors and only interact with ones you enjoy chatting with. Your knowledge and skills are really needed on WP. You don't realize how much you add to WP and to the lives of those who love you. You're upsetting me now. Even one day without seeing your delightful comments makes the day a little sad. Here's a flower for you:

A rose for Hafspajen from your friends

- CorinneSD (talk) 00:49, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry guys, won't be back until everything is like in this song.[edit]

Parable About Truth ♫
There was once upon a time a princess, but someone have taken her place now ...

Peter Isotalo and Bishonen . This tune is for you. Hafspajen (talk) 15:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Lyrics - translation.

Truth gently wandered about in her beautiful clothing
Dressed to impress orphaned cripples with naught in their heads.
Deceit lured that Truth to her place to stay for the evening
Acting as though she were Truth’s most reliable friend.
And gullible Truth fell asleep like the calmest of babies,
Drooling but slightly, she snuffled and smiled in her sleep.
Clever Deceit hogged the blanket and pulled it away and
Drank from Truth’s veins until she felt full and complete.
She raised herself up, eyeing Truth with the face of a bulldog:
Looks like a woman: and worth no more than the rest.
There isn’t a difference between the one and the other
When Truth and Deceit are both completely undressed.
Deceit even stripped Truth’s hair of its gold-colored ribbons
And snatched up her clothing (she’d deemed it to fit her by eye),
Deceit took Truth’s money, and watch and even her passport,
And filthily cursed, and she left without a goodbye.
Only on waking did Truth discover her losses
And stared at the mirror, not knowing the mirror to lie:
Someone had covered her body in soot and then left her
Smeared head to toe in that soot, but otherwise fine.
The public threw stones at Truth when they saw her;
"Deceit stole my clothes!" she laughed as people took aim;
And called her a number of hurtful, ridiculous names.
They called her a "witch", and other names much less respectful,
And smeared her with clay, and unleashed the neighborhood hound
To chase her away past the furthest bounds of the city
And threatened "or-elses" should they ever see her around.
That log of the cretins blamed Truth in a ranting conclusion
For things she’d never suspected could even be done:
Allegedly, some evil filth by the name of "Truth" has
Drunk all her clothing away, like some villainous scum.
And nakedly Truth bummed around cursing and sobbing,
And she fell in her sadness deep into illness and debt.
Meanwhile Deceit stole the purest and whitest of horses
And joyfully galloped away on her white, slender legs.
Mind you, it’s easy to live with Deceit in Truth’s clothing,
Though Truth might suffer, and people confuse them by name.
But Truth can’t be bought, and she roves far away from the public
Avoiding their chastising scowls in her clothingless shame.
Even today, the random odd fool might defend her,
Though even he doesn’t have so much truth in his speech
Though one day, of course, we all know Truth may still triumph—
If only she’s able to act in the ways of Deceit.
So often it happens when drinking out with your brothers
You don’t even know in which bed or on even which street
You’ll fall asleep, and maybe lose all of your clothing...
Look! There’s your pants being worn by crafty Deceit.
Look! There’s your watch on the wrist of crafty Deceit.
Look! There’s your horse being guided by crafty Deceit.

Ex-Hafspajen (talk) 15:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Lovely song.
Starsailor - Official Video Good Souls I hope we see you again. 7&6=thirteen () 16:01, 13 April 2015 (UTC

No. PS.

And Gareth Griffith-Jones this is your birtday song.
Martinevans123 this is for you Ex-Hafspajen (talk) 16:08, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
click and help translate please, " ... suffered in great need ... is ... slain dead ... has lost the battle ...
The song (also) about you is He was despised.On the Main page, OTD. You can't say "No." to "I hope we see you again." - The hope is there, yes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:13, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Ah, how lovely. Many thanks. Yes, it's that time of year again. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:35, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
see also + Sorrow is an uncomfortable position, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

A birthday song[edit]

Thank you Hpj for my (early) birthday treat ... I needed to brush up on the most widely spoken of the Slavic languages. His alternative accompaniment leaves a lot to be desired and he is no Sultan but I fear that I shall be humming the melody all day.
Keep strong, my dear friend! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 10:10, 14 April 2015 (UTC)


Hello. I made you this: Category:Wikipedians whose userpages are decorated by Joshua Jonathan - in the hope of coming over as helpful, not critical - but I drew the line at replacing it on your userpage. So there it is, if you would like to use it. Cheers DBaK (talk) 12:13, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

It is getting late.[edit]

Angelic Supporter (Heraldry).svg This editor would appreciate to be called singular they pronoun in English as a polite and considerate form.
ag This user is androgynous when online.
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Those words that could have been said, were not said. I am gone and I might not be back at all. But all my friends shall please go on and call me "they". Hafspajen (talk) 19:11, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
No Gender Gaping around. Phil, Drmies, thank you for being brave enough to speak up where everybody was silent, I always appreciated courage more than anything else-. The bot will archive in 365 days. It is a long time. Until the bot archives nothing will happen. Thank you for the encouragement, even though, this time it was not enough. I hate being accused unfairly, very few things can make me really, really mad, but this really does. Simply because I knew very well that I have never, ever, in any way have been mean or uncivilized towards the editor in question. Not in any way. That typo he is trying to make the big thing out of it is the only thing he has. But it is a lonely business standing alone and feeling alone in this conflict even though there were people around who knew very well it was not true. Hafspajen (talk) 19:36, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

  • If any nice admin like Drmies could be please nice, copy the above statments, redact, revdel, paste back everything with those words redacted - time will go, and maybe people may forget. I don't want them on my page. (including this very last coment, though userboxes and first comment shall stay.) -Hafspajen (talk) 19:37, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Hafs, that's why they put a Delete key on computers. We have all mistyped a character or two. In the context of your message, Shout was understood. This is a Tempest in a teapot. make a mountain out of a molehill or much ado about nothing. This was Tmth, and should have been worked out as a simple Failure to communicate. You, your work, contribution and reputation precede you. Mere bullshit attacks are not proof. They are not convincing. You should not empower them and lend them any credence by acting upon them. 7&6=thirteen () 20:33, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Garbage like this is why I'm semi-retired. You just try to do your thing, making the encyclopedia a little better by freely sharing your knowledge while sprinkling around a little good humor, and this is what you get in return - pointless and undeserved hostility. Take a relaxing wikibreak if you need, Hafs, but please don't stay away for too long, else the real trolls have won. Zeng8r (talk) 01:52, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

The bot will archive in 365 days. 02:07, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Nature's bounty[edit]

Adriaen van Utrecht 001.jpg A feast for Hafspajen
Enjoy the bounty of foods that nature provides, and don't leave Wikipedia! North America1000 02:49, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Mint tea[edit]

The menthe.jpg Mint tea
Hi, it sounds like you're upset about something. I hope you take whatever break you need and come back feeling optimistic, maybe doing something very different than what you did before if you need a change. You know how to email me if you want to talk. Peace, Pine 07:36, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for King Gustav III of Sweden and his Brothers[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:41, 15 April 2015 (UTC)


Miniature Schnauzer sticking out tongue.jpg Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 12:30, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Enjoy your Wikibreak[edit]

I dunno what this is all about (a typo????), but you know there are lots of art articles still to be written. And how will people get their talk pages decorated without you around? Enjoy your Wikibreak, and I hope we'll see you when it's over.
I nominated Summer Evening on Skagen's Southern Beach for DYK. If any stalkers feel like doing a favor for Hafspajen, there are at least two articles, Perseus and Andromeda (Leighton) and Head of Christ (Correggio), which need DYK nominations, like right away, before their eligibility expires. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 21:40, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Not as a favor (to someone who makes me sad by saying we left him alone, on top of feeling left alone by him): Template:Did you know nominations/Head of Christ (Correggio). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Gerda for doing the nomination.
I too was saddened when I read that. Love to you and Hpj. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 12:11, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
the other - both need a qpq review which can be donated, hint hint - I don't have time today, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I did the qpqs now, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:35, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Congrats on submitting the 5,000th Featured picture[edit]

5,000 Featured picture
Hafs taking a break from Wikipedia on some exotic beach

From this week's Signpost, "The English Wikipedia passed the 5,000 Featured pictures milestone this week; the 5,000th FP was File:John Everett Millais - Mariana - Google Art Project.jpg, nominated by Hafspajen." You've done alot of good, hard work around here. It is very much appreciated. Yes, even the vandalism to my talk page is valued. Bgwhite (talk) 05:14, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations, Hafspajen! ;-) Liz Read! Talk! 15:47, 17 April 2015 (UTC)


A display from the Chelsea Flower Show: "Hope on the horizon".

I am sorry but confess not to care too much about moods, yours or even my own, while people die. I come with flowers and missing then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

ps: (perhaps I should not reveal something rather personal but) my life turned (half a life ago) when I told myself "stop that self-pity" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Oh, but the dead have no more trouble. It is the living who are tormented.
There’s fennel for you, and columbines.
There’s rue for you, and here’s some for me.
We may call it “herb of grace” o' Sundays.
Oh, you must wear your rue with a difference.
There’s a daisy. I would give you some violets, but they withered all...
I love daisies and gave you roses. The cherries are blossoming again. See --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Frederic, Lord Leighton - Perseus and Andromeda - Google Art Project.jpg[edit]

Frederic, Lord Leighton - Perseus and Andromeda - Google Art Project.jpg
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
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Excellent! - I looked at it yesterday in detail and agree. - Regarding the above: you need to say it loud and stomp on the ground at the same time! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:29, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Antonello da messina, madonna salting.jpg[edit]

Antonello da messina, madonna salting.jpg
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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Jacob Cornelisz van Oostsanen[edit]

Dirck Jacobsz - Jacob Cornelisz. van Oostsanen Painting a Portrait of His Wife - Google Art Project.jpg
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Missing you[edit]

François-Guillaume Ménageot - Envy Plucking the Wings of Fame - WGA15026.jpg

Hafspajen, hasn't your wiki-break been long enough? There's a whole lot of people who miss you here. Please come back. CorinneSD (talk) 14:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it's just no fun anymore without you. And DrMies' page is just one unbroken wall of text. And FC is now full of racist remarks about crackers. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:10, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Xanthomelanoussprog, I have been told to stay away from Signpost and the editor, unless I go Skype. I simply have nowhere to bring up this issue. And I don't believe in a group editors going off-wiki for discussing issues there; - like the Signpost editorial staff editors - instead of doing it on-Wiki. Also I think text should be rewritten and not copied from articles, too. The main issue here has always been that it is required per Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. But any times the issue was raised:

with answers like: ( "it can be consuming and tough to paraphrase") , or just whisked away "I don't have time for this anymore. Adam Cuerden|Hafspajen|Gamaliel please take the convo elsewhere.", that I am rude, or like the very last time I was told to grow up and that I am ridiculous, and such.
When is Hafspajen going to return?

It was met by incivility by this editor, some diff above; mixed with occasional apologies, and then it was starting all over again, while nobody else took the issue seriously. I did try to discuss this several times, nobody listened. Calling someone ungrateful, unproductive, rude, childish, borderline, full of shit, ridiculous and crazy are WP:Personal attacks.

Nobody took the copyvio issue seriously either, nor the incivility the editor reacted with towards me. But it is required per WP:CWW:

Not everything copied from one Wikipedia page to another requires attribution. If the re-user is the sole contributor of the text at the other page, attribution is not necessary. Content rewritten in one's own words does not need attribution. However, duplicating material by other contributors that is sufficiently creative to be copyrightable under US law (as the governing law for Wikipedia), requires attribution.

See at WP:CWW. As stated I did try to discuss this with several occasions, nobody listened. Editor was reacting with increasing incivility when pointed out, escalating more and more, every time. There is no need to gather evidence (here is one), the whole last couple Signpost editions are full with bits and parts of copivio. Last it was me who was the author copied. But it went so far that Signpost chief editors were telling me not to criticize editor but stay away from him. Like here, this, for example, in the current Signpost version is entirely taken from the article Shakespearean tragedy. In the current version is not even a link provided to the article. Is not even linked to painter, nor tho the to right article, King Lear. Some of the descriptions include unexplained terms and generally look taken from somewhere. However providing a link to article is not attribution. Nobody ever discussed anything with me, about the issues raised above. And let's not forget the other parallel issue: the incivility, that erupted with every occasion this was brought up. I was told to discus it on Skype or nowhere. Now the editor was forbidding me to contact him, and the Signpost redaction is going off-Wiki to discuss where I never joined them. The e-mail I enabled for the Signpost-folks, it collapsed and is not working any more.

Hafspajen, disruptive editor[edit]

Is this: One of the most famous paintings of all time?
All this caused that I now have been accused by being disruptive, causing months of passive aggressive and intentional attacks, mainly because of the other editor said so, without taking up any diffs or providing any evidence for it. He never digged up any evidence himself at all, but expected everybody to believe him without any evidence at all. And actually in fact, there is no such diffs to support his claims. But I think some people indeed believed him. Like most of the Signpost editorial staff, I guess (guess because I have no idea what's going on behind the scene).
This is the kind of editor who was accusing me off being disruptive, but who for example placed an image of a fruitcake on a talk page of an user who identifies as being gay - (fruitcake is here), and who is involved in plenty of conflicts and controversies, an editor who (without providing any evidence for his claims) requires simply everybody just believes him. The whole Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#User:WPPilot is worth reading trough. It was bad of me to AGF him so easily I did, I should have checked the rather huge amount of conflicts he was already involved, when started editing Signpost. Others should have done that too. But the only thing anybody seemingly ever cared or remarked on was me offending (?) the editor, well, that was the typo. Now pick your choice if you believe that was trolling or not. One editor gifted with analytic ability remarked something here - and I say, she is totally right about my spelling (unfortunately) ... I think it is rather more balanced than the comment The user has now called me a potential murderer, though it looks like many believed the later comment.

One of the most famous paintings of all time?[edit]

And may I ask why current Signpost Featured content is saying Napoleon Crossing the Alps is one of the most FAMOUS paintings OF ALL TIME?

Because it is simply not true.
But under a whole week, nobody ever noticed it.
This newspaper is going out all over Wiki and it has a tremendous NPOV mistake in it. Guess who put than into it.
The most famous paintings of all time - that would surely be Mona Lisa, The Creation of Adam, by (Michelangelo), The Great Wave off Kanagawa by Hokusai', +The Kiss by Gustav Klimt, + Leonardo da Vinci's The Last Supper; + Sandro Botticelli's Primavera, + Pablo Picasso's Guernica,; + Johannes Vermeer, Girl with a Pearl Earring,+ the Arnolfini Portrait, and such
If one chose to use big peacock words than at least use them well, and truthfully. Napoleon Crossing the Alps, is one of the very moderately famous paintings, but no way one of the most famous paintings of all time. I would say that it is not that famous at all. Check refs.

Some find it stiff and lifeless, proof of David’s ineptness at capturing movement. Some see it not as art, but propaganda, pure and simple. Some snigger at its overblown, action-packed, cliff-hanging momentousness, with shades of “Hi ho Silver, away!” Some have it down as a sort of beginning of the end moment in David’s career, before he officially became Napoleon’s artist-lackey.

  • The only thing one might safely say of that painting that it is one of the most well know (famous*) portrait of Napoleon Bonaparte . (There are other; just as famous portraits of Napoleon, by the way.) It is a good painting, it deserves to be a FP, BUT IT IS not one of the most famous paintings of all time. This kind of remarks give bad reputation to Signpost, if any editor who knows about art discovers it, and there is a fair amount of art presented there every week.


I do think that before theses issues started with the editor joining, our work made Signpost more interesting and fun, and we all worked together fine, under extended periods of time, Adam was sharp, witty and funny, Xanty was doing interesting things and being crazy with his comments, and me contributing on arts, cultural topics, botanic, and occasionally being funny too. We all were getting along greatly. Observe that I never had any issues with any of those, ever, ever. It was great, and may good editions came out of it: [15], [16], [17], [18], [19].
Also mark that I did cooperated creatively with a huge amount editors, on articles, FPs, DYKs and so on. I am not known as a person who can't work together with others, as the Signpost redaction is now made to believe; me being constantly involved in a disturbing amount of conflicts with other editors.
I like to think I did some useful contributions to Wikipedia. Nominated about c. 100 Featured pictures, completed 29-30 DYKs, wrote about 50 articles, I was getting alone just fine with people, and had plenty of friends.
Nobody seems to noticed, pointed out or recognized this fact in this conflict.
It was instead Ed who stepped in a rather unfortunate way, at times. His remarks were at times not to well formulated or researched.
This went on parallel to this was the other issue. Ed remarked, though in a polite way, that I made a sexist comment. But if anyone checks the definition of sexism: Sexism or gender discrimination is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender - than the comment I made in Signpost about an older woman having a relationship with a younger man that can work, well, going by that definition, in fact it is the opposite of a sexist comment. There was no need to remove that. Using the word girl instead ladies, well, might been a point. Burt I had certain difficulties convincing anyone about comment not being sexist. Even bigger difficulties convincing him or Signpost editorial staff I was not trolling. That is kinda hard to digest. And how can I if they only discuss things on Skype?


About copying; At top of Signpost it say: Text may be adapted from the respective articles and lists; refer to their page histories for attribution. It doesn't say: Text may be copied from the respective articles and lists without no attribution.


going off Wiki, WP:EEML

13) All editors are reminded that the editorial process and dispute resolution must take place on Wikipedia itself, using the article talk pages and project space for this purpose. No discussion held off-wiki can lead to a valid consensus, the basis of our editorial process. Off-wiki coordination is likely to lead to echo chamberswhere there is a false appearance of neutrality and consensus.



I never wrote a sexist comment.
I never trolled.
I never directed 3 months of drama and non stop aggression towards that editor.
Show me where was I calling WPPilot ungrateful, unproductive, rude, childish, borderline, full of shit, ridiculous and crazy (like he called me...)
(And skip the typo thing, my intention was different, but it is up to those to judge who are perfect, and never make mistakes. Show me something else).
Thank you all who said kind words above. Dr. Blofeld, you gave me a Wiki-defender barnstar on 8 April - I am afraid, I didn't managed to well this time. Apart from my personal feelings seriously hurt, the copivio is still an ongoing issue, and I am kinda banned from discussing it for different reasons. Hafspajen (talk) 15:15, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


Not to beat the dead horse, but arguendo there was an unintended copying of text from one article to another, and you forgot to mention it in the edit summary, I have simply and easily created an "Attribution" subsection in the talk page to work it all out and correct the matter. We should always err on the side of giving credit where credit is due. Bu in the course of a lot of edits, Shit happens. It's not a capital offense, IMHO. Hope all is well with you. 7&6=thirteen () 21:05, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Holy smoke, it is not me. It is the editor I had conflicts with, WPPi... I just didn't wanted to mention his name. Why did I wrote all this is nobody ever understands a word of it? He was doing this, non-stop, several month, and got mad with me whenever I pointed out. Until I became a nuisance (according to him and some others). Hafspajen (talk) 21:57, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
  • "Its safe to say that "She had some big guns" and a nice runway" © WPPilot 2015. Removed by another editor on the grounds that it was "sexist crap...we can go lowbrow, but not that lowbrow". No-one appears to have contacted me on the Skype- it apparently is a text-only thing. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:31, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
  • On a lighter note- the BBC program "Treasures of Ancient Greece" episode 3 "The Long Shadow" used three of Haf's FPs last night. I had serious dayjar view. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:25, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
  • I would be laughing, if I wasn't sad. --Hafspajen (talk) 12:19, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
  • DYK ... that a church's 1510 spiral of justice (pictured) declares: "Justice suffered in great need. Truth is slain dead. Faith has lost the battle"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back![edit]

Jerusalem, Mahane Yehuda Market IMG 2612.JPG All-you-can-eat olives for Hafspajen
You don't have to pay the price for them, someone there is paying for them for you. North America1000 23:46, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/After the Bath, Woman drying herself[edit]

After the Bath, Woman drying herself - Edgar Degas - National Gallery.jpg
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:After the Bath, Woman drying herself - Edgar Degas - National Gallery.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Armbrust The Homunculus 23:32, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

... responded to your question here.[edit]

Lady Justice, a symbol of justice. She is depicted as a goddess equipped with three items: a sword, symbolising the coercive power of a court; scales, representing an objective standard by which competing claims are weighed; and a blindfold indicating that justice should be impartial and meted out objectively, without fear or favor and regardless of money, wealth, power or identity. [ref Luban, Law's Blindfold, 23. ref]

Why do I don't want to be around more? Because I have been treated unfair, that's why. I feel I have been unjustly treated. I don't like injustice. Until recently I believed that Wikipedia was a fair system. I don't do that any more.

1) You see, I wonder, how come that nobody ever noticed that I indeed had Wikipedia's best interest in sight?
2) How come that nobody notices that I was trying to do the right thing, all the way through this conflict, or a series of conflicts?
  • How come that I am now the person who is the guilty part and nobody ever noticed anything else but my so called faults, my mistakes and my issues? Justice is often depicted with her eyes blindfolded. That is a symbol of justice, of not looking at the person, NOT GOING BY PREJUDICES, taking sides, but only by the facts. It is a symbol of judging impartially and not getting blinded by big words, big phrases, rhetoric, but judging the truth and nothing but the truth.

I still like to think I did rather a lot of useful contributions to Wikipedia. As I stated above, nominated about c. 100 Featured pictures, completed 29-30 DYKs, wrote about 50 articles, was trying to help other people with their nominations at FP, wrote articles for their nominations when I noticed they nominated a valuable painting, but without EV. I had nothing against sharing things with others, tying to help them, learn them things, protect them sometimes, standing up for them and being there for them, when they needed it.

Now, when I needed help, I look behind me and I don't notice many. I feel cut of, isolated, left alone and notice how people stay away from me and don't want to get involved. There is always an excuse. The most hurtful thing about this is that I actually was fighting for WWPilot's nominations, those few he ever succeeded to feature, - actually almost half of it - I was engaged and was trying to support and convince others about it. Stupid me.

  • It was unfortunately also me, who asked him to write his own entry at Signpost, not Adam, as far as I know, even if WPP. nowadays try to say it was different. If supported with any diffs, of course I might believe that.
Also unfortunately, I realized soon that some of WPPilots entries at Signpost were copied. The descriptions made by him included unexplained terms and generally look taken from somewhere; were and are poorly drafted and uninteresting; he was and is often talking about something entirely different thing, than the picture or the painting that was featured.
First I was cleaning up after him, fixing the mess, than pointing out to him his mistakes. Whenever I tried to point this out, he wasn't listening, nobody was listening, and nothing ever changed. He stated himself: "it can be consuming and tough to paraphrase these at times".

But hey, that is exactly what editing the Signpost is about! To write up a summary, to add something interesting, to make it fun and easy to read and a bit educational too! This what is required when editing Signpost Featured Content. But no, he continued the copy and paste, over and over again. Also, his edits were just making more work for others. I tried to cover up and correct, until I got tired.

  • Signpost, his edit: [20]
Article 1:, Gustav Klimt: Here I just tried to rewrite a bit to avoid copivio. (why on earth Pilot is talking about the erotics and women's body, when the painting is about beech trees goodness only knows.)
Article: [23]
My correction:[24]
Article: see third section, [26]
My correction: [27]
Article: [29]
My correction  : [30]

And so on and on and on. This also made everything a bit boring and heavy. Soon I noticed that literary each and every contribution he adds to Signpost, is indeed nothing else but a copy and paste of the different parts of the articles on Wikipedia (or something the nominator wrote in the nomination, so much worse).

Every time I pointed out the copivio issues to WWPilot, he was reacting with an increasing amount of incivility, trying to do anything; but change. My comments irritated him. It was impossible to have a normal discussion about this with him, he took everything as an aggressiveness directed towards his own person. For some weird reason everybody at Signpost was overlooking this, both WWPilot's incivility and the copivio issues I pointed out, and the fact he doesn't wanted to discuss it or change his editing. This was already happening a month ago, like 10 March. Possibly because of the amount of drama WPPilot was stirred up, and the issue was drowning into. He couldn't discuss this in an objective way, he reacted every time with more and more insults and incivility. Until I decided that while this incivility is going on and nobody is saying a word about it, I will now stay away a while from Signpost.

Edition is late[edit]

  • This happened when nobody reacted at User talk:Adam Cuerden#Maners at the incivility issues, so I stopped for a while editing the Signpost. Thanks to this, the next edition was two days late. Those times I made most of the work, and people were used to leave things to me.

When the edition was late, I got pinged by the newsroom, and decided to put my personal feelings of being hurt by WPPilot's incivility aside, and returned, and save the edition.

I was working all night to get it in shape and publishable. I went to bed 5. 40 o'clock in the morning. When I switched on again; instead of a note like; great, thank you all your work, I was notified that one of the main editors removed a comment I added, remarking that I made a sexist comment. An other editor commented somewhere that the Signpost Featured Content was like a boy's club.
Now that was kinda unfair, because I am a strait women, and I would never make any sexist or derogatory comment on women. The comment removed was not sexist at all, either, actually the opposite, was judged according the answers by only one single other woman's, it was her opinion, and she never read the whole entry, but was only shown one certain sentence ... and so on.
It felt ridiculous. I knew I was a woman, I knew I was not sexist, I knew the comment was not sexist. But I got the impression of a massive wall of editors, all men, ganging up together against me, keeping their position, making decisions above my head, not ever discussing things with me, and now lecturing me, me, who was (probably) the only woman editor in the Signpost (sic) about making sexist comments. So much for the Gender Gap issues and how to keep women involved at Wikipedia, an issue exactly these editors themselves are often writing about in Signpost. Sigh. After this I did indeed stopped editing Signpost, removed my name from the editors list.

10 April[edit]

10 April I raised again several issues, this time, because now I was an outsider, and not a co-worker any more, on the Signpost talk, pointing out that WPP. copied my own nomination, - but this was also ignored. (He also credited the wrong person, (me) with a nomination instead of adding the right user, too).

Nothing happened, except for a new wave of wild incivility from WPPilot. During all this period, WPPilot was calling me ungrateful, unproductive, rude, childish, borderline, full of shit, ridiculous and crazy - among other things. I never responded in kind. But I made a mistake typing a word. English is not my first language. But Pilot convinced the main editors on Signpost that what I did it was deliberate, they gave credit to him, and they did believed him ten, that I was trolling.

WPPilot, when he noticed he had the other editors with him, was now openly accusing me of being disruptive, directing months of passive aggressive and intentional attacks towards him. But when he was asked to, never provided any diffs or any evidence for his claims. In fact, there is no such diffs to support his claims.

Now that is kinda still very weird, and unjust. Nobody ever cared to ask him for any of his accusations to be supported properly. Except for me.

This conflict above made the Signpost main editors requiring off-wiki communication of me, (and a particular venue, on Skype). From now on, the only place where the Signpost main editors were directing me to discuss anything at all, was a discussion, off-Wiki, on Skype. No way to discuss anything, anywhere, only of Wiki, were, if one wants to look at the issue, it could be seen also this way: they might wanted ton try to isolate me from the others and the possible support I might have received from others.

The Signpost editorial staff was and some still defending WPPilot, were acting on his behalf, forbidding me to go near him and was at a certain point even accusing me by trolling, and on the other hand constantly ignoring the issues raised, and ignoring the fact that he himself was was rude and uncivil.

( *About the trolling issue I accepted Eds apology as he accepted mine, me being rather sarcastic... well, I was. )

But how come that during all this period many just preferred to only notice one side of the problem, and never try to judge things fairly? The only thing I still tried to clear up was the copivio. Somehow. Not a reaction. My latest try was to try to figure out why the Signpost main editors simply refused to discuss issues with me on Wiki. No answer.
Somewhere it was stated that they have to consider WPP. feelings. How come than they never ever though that they had to consider my feelings? Am I not wort just as much as a person?
And, when it comes to the difference in our contributions, well, I think one can notice a certain difference. About WPPilot, I am inclined to think that much of his contributions are WP:NOTHERE mostly self-promotional. He is editwarring to get his own photos in the articles, he is mostly working with his own pictures. WWPilot, from the very beginning, even before starting working at Signpost, was involved in a rather big amount of controversies. Nobody checked this, not me, or nobody else from the editorial staff. He is hot-tempered and was involved in a rather large amount of controversies. There are plenty of diffs: [31][32][33], WPPilot was also blocked for incivility,[34][35][36][37][38][39]. How come that these diffs never talk their own language?
Now that is slightly different from the work I have done on Wikipedia and my efforts put into the project. But if my editing, my edit history and my work om Wikipedia and on Signpost before, is not enough so they should AGF me on these issue, I better give up. I don't want to participate to a project like this any more. Hafspajen (talk) 15:54, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Post Scriptum[edit]

I sometimes think some people might join the Singpost, only because the Signpost editors name can be read high up on the page, where everybody can notice it. It is also my private opinion that they should stop doing that, entirely - or move it to the end of the edition, with very small letters - and not posted it at the beginning.

And lastly:[edit]

The Signpost edition pride themselves with the fact they are supporting women editors. But what they actually did, was chasing away the women editor they had. Instead of using every possible means, saying sorry, we were wrong, we never knew you were a woman, you were wrongly accused of being sexist, we are desolated and we behaved like idiots, please come back or at least accept our apology... Like they should act if they really cared for women editors.....instead they say :Nobody accused her of anything, she just think so. She is imagining things... It is all imagination.

But here in fact a woman was accused by something she can't be and by not acknowledging this is they push away a legitimate concern of a woman editor, being falsely accused and never vindicated or taken seriously. By those who say they care about women (and who block Eric with a drop of a hat for any feminist remark). This is coming from people who write several pages of the importance of retaining women editors or engaging women editors. Hafspajen (talk) 17:21, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Justice suffered in great need.[edit]

Thank you for reflecting the Gerechtigkeitsspirale!

Did you know ... that a church's 1510 spiral of justice declares: "Justice suffered in great need. Truth is slain dead. Faith has lost the battle"?

The poem ends with "Praise the right thing (decency, integrity)".

Hafspajen, this is more than 500 years old and will probably not change during out lifetime. You have been treated unfairly, I have been treated unfairly, I could name you 50 others easily who have been treated unfairly. If we wait for fairness we will wait long. The one thing I learned here is patience, but not that much patience ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Sorry, missed all this completely. But I hope you will stay around. Johnbod (talk) 20:10, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Need your special touch[edit]

At my snarkives page. Commons keeps deleting images of pink ponies and magic unicorns. I also now need a purple dragon. Can you review the diffs and see if you can help me find these things? Montanabw(talk) 23:00, 27 April 2015 (UTC)


There is always beauty in the world, if one looks in the right direction. Mr Spiky

Nature's bounty[edit]

Scampi served.jpg Happy National Shrimp Scampi Day (U.S.) [1]

Enjoy the bounty of foods that nature provides. North America1000 06:01, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

  1. ^ "National Shrimp Scampi Day, April 29". Retrieved April 29, 2015. 

A kitten for you![edit]

Red Kitten 01.jpg

Not *meow* worth *meow* quitting *meow* over *meow*.

Drmies (meow) 15:45, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

What is a personal attack?[edit]

Now then, considering this: and also this:

What is then a personal attack?

  • A personal attack is:
  • Racial, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, ageist, religious, political, ethnic, national, sexual, or other epithets (such as against people with disabilities) directed against another contributor, or against a group of contributors. Disagreement over what constitutes a religion, race, sexual orientation, or ethnicity is not a legitimate excuse.
  • Responding to arguments by attacking a person's character, rather than to the content of their arguments. Note that it is not a personal attack to question an editor about their possible conflict of interest on a specific article or topic. However, speculating on the real-life identity of another editor may constitute outing, which is a serious offense.
  • Linking to external attacks, harassment, or other material, for the purpose of attacking another editor.
  • Comparing editors to Nazis, dictators, or other infamous persons. (See also Godwin's law.)
  • Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. Serious accusations require serious evidence. Evidence often takes the form of diffs and links presented on wiki.
  • Threats, including, but not limited to:
    • Threats of legal action
    • Threats of violence or other off-wiki action (particularly death threats)
    • Threats of vandalism
    • Threats or actions which deliberately expose other Wikipedia editors to political, religious or other persecution by government, their employer or any others. Violations of this sort may result in a block for an extended period of time, which may be applied immediately by any administrator upon discovery. Admins applying such sanctions should confidentially notify the members of the Arbitration Committee of what they have done and why.
    • Threats to out (give out personal details about) an editor.

Hafspajen (talk) 21:21, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

NO, this the above is NOT a personal attack.' If somebody is accusing me of making personal attacks, and doesn't even know 'what that is, I think one can actually explain what the concept is. The above is not: racial, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, ageist, religious, political, ethnic, national, sexual, or other epithets, it is not attacking a person's character, not outing and not harassment, or other material, it is simply information of WHAT personal attack IS. It is a simple information, one can be found everywhere on Wikipedia.
I wouldn't have bothered about anything anymore. But this user is constantly linking me to wrong user, User:Hafspajen (usurped)|Haf's bi annual meltdown, replacing user Hafspajen with User: Hafspajen(usurped), here and also here... No idea what the point is with doing that, but I wish he stops doing it. Hafspajen (talk) 22:21, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Why should my name in Signpost be linked to this old account, by WPP - an account that I never used since I abandoned it, linked here and also here? It is probably meant, judging by the Haf's bi annual meltdown comment to attract the attention to this account. But that was a fully declared, legitimate account that was abandoned 2013. It was started on the Swedish Wiki, and went global. It was simply merged with an other account started 2007 here on English Wiki. It is no crime and I identified myself in with both accounts for the administrators, and simply chose to keep the account with the most edits, and the other was abandoned. I never edited WP:Featured pictures with that account. Why does anyone need to dig this up, or link it in Signpost, that is the weird thing about it and that is the question here. Hafspajen (talk) 02:51, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
WPPilot is linking to your old account because he does not want to link to a page which contains many complaints about him. I do not take sides on whether or not your complaints are accurate, but I understand why a person would not want to link to such a page. If you would be willing to remove the complaints about him, I will remove all links to your old account and link in the style of your preference in FC, or have no link at all if that is what you want. Gamaliel (talk) 22:38, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Hafs, I think I speak for everybody who considers you an important part of their Wikilife that we don't give a shit about what has been written; we know it's not true and even if it was it's not important Face-smile.svg to show that I'm not serious here. Remain in contact. Here. (Skype appears to be off, by the way). Okay I'm incoherent, but I usually rely on other people to do the emotional stuff. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 22:16, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Here, here! Let it be water under the bridge. Have an Irish coffee, and continue to brighten our day. We miss you.
Irish coffee
CorinneSD (talk) 23:37, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Alles neu / macht der Mai! I have another FA! You seem to be in the perfect mood to join the cabal of the outcasts (also secretly known as Gerda's pocket) where I list such things, also today's FA! Please get rid of the "pictures of tragic, haunted and ghastly things" on this page, it's frightening, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

A message from Beethoven[edit]

Schmeichelnd hold und lieblich klingen
unseres Lebens Harmonien,
und dem Schönheitssinn entschwingen
Blumen sich, die ewig blühn.
Fried und Freude gleiten freundlich
wie der Wellen Wechselspiel.
Was sich drängte rauh und feindlich,
ordnet sich zu Hochgefühl.
Sca (talk) 15:12, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Head of Christ (Correggio)[edit]

Harrias talk 09:27, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for that, yours devotedly
ps: look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:33, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
ps: for you album --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


Stefan Lochner The Virgin Crowned by Angels, c. 1450.jpg

I understand. There's really not more to say than that I completely understand and sympathize and apologize for not stopping by earlier. Here's a pretty pic for you. I stole it from Ceoil's gorgeous Stephan Lochner but don't tell him I said that; we wouldn't want his head to swell! Take care and know that people are thinking of you. Victoria (tk) 18:51, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


The answer you're looking for is, you were talking to a plank of wood and a pair of ostriches. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 23:29, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Xanty - copivio is copivio. But nobody believes me.

There are a group of people who would like to silence everybody and have everybody go along to get along, but that's not going to be very helpful for us in the long run, in terms of solving our problems. And somebody has to be courageous enough to actually stand up...

Unless they got denied, even Apostle Peter denied Jesus three times. And Judas betrayed him. Hafspajen (talk) 13:08, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
As far as FP is concerned, I don't see it as a problem now. Everything can be paraphrased or attributed. As for the other matter, Achilles and the schnauzer. The schnauzer knew where to bite. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 18:36, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm done.[edit]

I liike you, but I can't handle any more stress just now. I'm done. This is, quite simply, too much for me to deal with. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:39, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

A pug is an editor's best friend[edit]

Let sleeping pugs lie.

A pug is an editor's best friend.--kelapstick(bainuu) 18:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC)