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"Wikipedia culture in general incentivizes passive-aggressiveness (or, as Wikipedians call it, "civility")".

--User:MastCell, [1]

Re: Big Bird[edit]

I noticed you gave a 3RR warning to User:Eugenistoc. Not to unnecessarily drag you into the argument, but I'd happily invite an outside party to comment. I don't think my objection is unreasonable? -- MacAddct1984 (talkcontribs) 03:10, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the invite. At this point, I think I'd prefer not to enter the discussion; I usually don't when it comes to US politics. I'd also prefer to remain an uninvolved admin, able to take administrative action if needed. Best of luck with that discussion! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 03:23, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Looks to me like at least one other set of eyes has arrived already, so that's good! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 03:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Completely understand! Thanks! -- MacAddct1984 (talkcontribs) 03:28, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Minimum support percentage for appointment to arbcom[edit]

You made this remark. But supposing just hypothetically that a candidate were to receive an unheard of landslide of Oppose votes, don't you think such a candidate ought to be appointed to the committee? On the argument that somebody who has managed to alienate so many people must be very brave, and sharp, and daring? Isn't it just such users we need on arbcom? To shake up the milksop bla bla bla arbcom culture and get stuff done, already? Especially if it's a user who has already showed they don't hesitate to bite those who deserve it, and who has furthermore created untold brilliant templates that others can also use, to facilitate teaching people valuable lessons all over Wikipedia? I know I think so! darwinbish BITE 12:25, 12 October 2012 (UTC).

"One where content is valued above content..."[edit]

Agreed with what I think you meant to say, though you might want to fix it. (I might suggest "One where content is valued above contentment" as having a nice ring to it, but it's your baby.) Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:54, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry. Made a mistake. Anyway, I need out now. I'm half expecting nasty remarks for my just telling off Jclemens, so I'm just going to log out for a while. Thanks. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 03:58, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Please delete my account[edit]

Sorry could you please delete my account and anything related to it? I will no longer use wikipedia or contribute to it. DjSeptimus (talk) 13:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I can't delete accounts. It's not possible for me to do so. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:08, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Information[edit]

I noticed your username commenting at an Arbcom discussion regarding civility. An effort is underway that would likely benifit if your views were included. I hope you will append regards at: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Civility enforcement/Questionnaire Thank you for considering this request. My76Strat (talk) 11:14, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't really see much point in participating, since so many users feel that questionnaire is biased that I just don't see any useful result coming from it. The respondents will inevitably be a self-selected group unrepresentative of the community at large. That and my increasing busyness are enough I think I'm going to end up not taking part. Sorry. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 12:51, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I am thankful that you considered the request, furthermore posting a thoughtful reply. I respect your decision, though I do believe your input will be missed. Good luck in your future endeavors, I wish you the best. My76Strat (talk) 02:09, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

User:Heimstern/ACE2012[edit]

Haven't you forgotten RegentsPark? William M. Connolley (talk) 19:53, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, not so much forgotten, more like "not gotten around to adding". I'm not at all sure I'm going to finish this guide, I'm already feeling pretty electioned out, if you will. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 06:02, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

MMA[edit]

Heimstern, just wanted to make you aware about the current ongoing MMA disputes particularly in regards to your involvement at ANI 3RR Jonny by Mtking. You may have walked into a hornets nest as I discovered on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UFC 157 which was only the tip of what is going on at ANI Canvassing and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Agent00f and ANI 3RR Agent by Mtking. This has been the result of several edit wars across multiple articles and both parties seem to be at fault from bad faith to edit warring. Mkdwtalk 12:04, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, there's clearly a lot going on; nonetheless, this particular case of edit warring is pretty clear-cut, so I don't think there's a lot of need to second-guess the result. How the long-term issue will need to be solved is less clear, to be sure. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 12:39, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Request for clarification on WP:ARBSL[edit]

I have filed a request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment for clarification on the scope of the topic ban placed upon Brews ohare in the Speed of light case. As you have recently participated in an arbitration enforcement request regarding this case and precipitating the clarification request, your comments would be welcome. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:06, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for doing so, and also for the notification. I've given my thoughts there. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:22, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Maurice07 at AE[edit]

Hello Heimstern. Please see WP:AE#Maurice07. You had left a comment on this case while it was at AN3. Since the closure, Maurice has made a further response at the bottom of WP:AN3#User:Maurice07 reported by User:Dr.K. (Result: Sending to WP:AE) that gives his side of the case. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 04:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Ed. I have made my initial comments there. We'll see what other admins think. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Do you consider this edit [2] to be a violation of Maurice07's topic ban? Thanks, Athenean (talk) 07:25, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
For the record, my 2 cents was dropped on my talkpage. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 07:28, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
In the interest of keeping discussion in one place, I've done the same. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 10:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
I've proposed some new restrictions. When you have a chance, could you look over them please? -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 18:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Welcome![edit]

Hi li'l Heim, I see you! Welcome back! Bishonen | talk 00:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC).

Yup, I'm here, just been lurking rather than editing much. I'll be around, to be sure! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 01:07, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

As requested[edit]

Llama on Machu Picchu.jpg NE Ent 12:10, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, I suppose one is a start, at least! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 12:16, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Request for a TPS[edit]

Can someone please leave me a message? I want to see this new notification system some people hate so much. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 01:10, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Done!  Roger Davies talk 01:54, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Transparency and accountability[edit]

Hi Heimstern:

If you want to find out an arbitrator's position on something, just ask, for instance on their talk page. There is no prohibition, nor has there ever been a prohibition, on individuals talking about their own internal participation in ArbCom.(Example) This, it strikes me, is the right balance between transparency, confidentiality, and accountability. To save you asking, I didn't participate at all in the straw poll on WBB and support his return, with the right restrictions, as probably in the best interests of the encyclopedia.  Roger Davies talk 01:54, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

OK... I still don't see why things can't be clearer and centralised. Or am I misunderstanding this and there wasn't really a vote at all, just sort of a "what do we all think?" discussion? Heimstern Läufer (talk) 10:36, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
That's pretty much how it was. We don't normalise publicise the outcome of these discussions on-wiki as, if asked, most people prefer to keep their unsuccessful unban requests quiet. (The ones that don't are freqently trolls or POV-pushers, seeking an on-wiki platform.) In this instance, the various discussions are being started by the same group of WBB supporters in different places.  Roger Davies talk 11:31, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Roger, that response seems sort of non-responsive. I understand that normally editors don't want the results of their ban appeal publicized, but in this case that's not an issue. I also think it's sort of lazy to write this off as a forum-shopping campaign by "WBB supporters". First of all, I'm not really a "WBB supporter" - while we've both been on Wikipedia in excess of 7 years, we've interacted very little, and my impression of him has generally been neutral to mildly negative. I didn't participate in the userspace RfC about his ban, and advised James against it. My participation in the ArbCom case was quite limited; regarding Will, I wrote: "I think Will has obviously gone overboard and the sanctions coming his way are probably justified".

I just think it's a lazy fallacy to write this off as a faction of "WBB supporters", as opposed to, say, an editor in good standing asking for a basic degree of accountability. This is what bad Arbitrators do: they write off any concern as politically motivated or somehow improper. You're not a bad Arbitrator, you're a good one, so it's disappointing to see you doing this here. And as for the forum-shopping implication, please know that I was directed to file a clarification request by one of your colleagues on ArbCom. So I was directed to another forum, then accused of forum-shopping when I went there. It's my own fault - it's one of the oldest traps in the book, and I walked right into it.

From my perspective, I'm making an extremely simple request and getting an enormous bureaucratic runaround which can only be described as FT2-esque. For the record, I think Will's actions probably warranted sanction, but that his punishment was disproportionately harsh (a concern which appears to be shared by several ArbCom members). To an outsider like me, the level of animosity directed at Will from the Committee was far in excess of his actual crimes and verged on personal contempt. We've treated far worse editors than Will far better - presumably the name Mattisse rings a bell.

But honestly, I don't carry any water for Will and it's no skin off my nose whether he's unbanned or not; I'm more bothered by the inability to communicate with ArbCom and get a straight answer to a simple question. The only relatively personal stake I have here is that ArbCom's actions in the case, taken in sum, have created an extremely challenging editing environment around articles relating to Transcendental Meditation and particularly to our coverage of its purported health benefits. I don't think unbanning Will would change that, though - the damage is done and we're left to pick up the pieces or get banned trying. MastCell Talk 18:32, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

MastCell: There's a bit of an assumption here that there is a simple answer to a simple question. First: WBB's request contained various elements, and didn't just ask to return to editing. Reactions to his appeal came on the mailing list and were also discussed in a straw poll: this wasn't a Support/Oppose/Abstain discussion (which easily generates tallies) but a freeform one with comments under headings for various options. None of this indicated a consensus to unban. Now while we could have dealt with this more formally and systematically; with separate formal votes of each and every element; written up an explanatory preamble and posted the whole thing on WT:CAN, we didn't, because that is not how we normally handle this kind of thing. In any case, per our usual practice, a draft reply was circulated for comment, and as there were no objections to it, it went out a few days later. (It is worth mentioning here that it would have been better if that email had said "there is no consensus to unban" and given some feedback to WBB but we were firefighting another on-wiki crisis at the time and optimal communication is often the first casualty of over-work.)

You mention the "disproportionate harshness" of WBB's sanction. Let's not forget that WBB engaged in long term harassment; extensive opposition research; then created and circulated a secret dossier containing inflated and inaccurate claims that directly led to someone being wrongly banned for six months. I have never come across anything remotely similar so I'm not sure whether WBB has been treated harshly or not.

Regarding the TM case itself, and the "challenging environment", there are to my mind parallels not with Scientology (which we've discussed before) but with Climate Change. Per policy, ArbCom explicitly neither (i) "rules on content" nor (ii) "[creates] new policy by fiat". Per a longstanding case principle: "It is not the role of the Arbitration Committee to settle good-faith content disputes among editors". Now you may not think that a COI constitutes good faith editing but the community is deeply divided on this and the COI guideline is, well, only a guideline. From this, it follows that, because the encyclopedia permits the inclusion of minority views, it cannot be our role to arbitrarily decide, for example, that content added by one side of a debate is wrong and content added by the other side is right. What we can try to do instead is try to create an environment in which differences of opinion or interpretation can be reasonably discussed and those differences resolved. The alternative would be micromanagement by the committee, with an official Wikipedia position on the topic being created, and formal amendments and clarifications being required each time new sources came out. If you would like content matters to be decided by the committee, you will need to change quite a lot of policies to do so.  Roger Davies talk 17:00, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Roger, I wasn't born yesterday, so please don't feed me the usual line about how ArbCom doesn't decide content matters. You guys did arbitrarily decide that one side of the TM content dispute was right and the other was wrong. Here you outlined the "correct" interpretation of PMID 17764203. Here you opine about whether a particular content formulation violates WP:WEIGHT. Here one of your colleagues weighs in on the "proper" presentation of a graph from within the article, citing his training in evidence-based medicine as a qualification for making this content judgement. Here and here you go so far as to lobby for a specific content formulation and a specific interpretation of a source. And here's where I notice that you guys are deciding a content matter (and deciding it incorrectly) and lose my shit.

Explicit content judgements were also incorporated into the rejection of Will's appeal; SilkTork summarized the case by stating: "WBB was adding unsourced negative comments to those articles. TG (TimidGuy) was moving the articles to a sourced neutral position." That's a content judgement (Will's version of content was wrong, TimidGuy's was right). It's also a curious content judgement, given that TimidGuy's editing has hardly been neutral; he was briefly topic-banned for obstructing efforts to present a neutral view of the TM movement, and ArbCom recognized that "some of TimidGuy's editing did not comply with the reliable sources (medicine) guideline."

So you guys have made content judgements at every step of this process - and often, in my view, misguided ones. Predictably, editors immediately started citing ArbCom's "endorsement" of one version of content in their reverts (e.g. [3]), creating additional difficulties. In light of all that, please don't lecture me about how ArbCom doesn't decide content matters, or tell me to change policy. MastCell Talk 18:01, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, MastCell, I wasn't born yesterday either so don't try to present comments about conduct relating to content (misrepresentation of sources, for instance) as an endorsement of one side or the other. Furthermore, when the the door is opened about conduct relating to content, it's only to right to look at the evidence critically, without fear or favour. There's also a world of difference between informal comments in the rough and tumble of a workshop, which carry no weight whatsoever, and passing findings of fact in the PD, which constitute a formal ruling.  Roger Davies talk 22:49, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Presumably, though, an Arb's thinking as expressed on a workshop page is reflected in his or her final decision. You're not asking me to believe otherwise, I hope. I understand that there's sometimes a thin line between conduct (misrepresenting sources) and content (good-faith disputes about proper emphasis and wording). But you guys weren't anywhere near the line in those diffs; you were way over it. If an admin weighed into a content dispute with any of those comments, they'd immediately be seen as involved in the content dispute and thus precluded from an administrative role. But in any case, I don't think is going anywhere useful, and poor Heimstern's new notification gadget is probably going nuts, so I'm going to leave it there.

My main frustration with this case has nothing to do with Will, and wouldn't be solved by unbanning him (which, in any case, I'm not advocating right now). Right now, our articles on Transcendental Meditation are dominated by a group of single-purpose accounts, many or most of whom are directly affiliated with the TM movement. Now, I really don't care how the spiritual aspects of TM are presented. I don't care whether we call it a cult, or a pathway to enlightenment and world peace, or a little of both. I care about how we present the medical claims associated with the movement, and the editing environment created as a result of this ArbCom case has made it virtually impossible to convey those claims accurately and neutrally. If an outside news outlet or (God forbid) a medical journal or website got ahold of what's going on right now in those articles and talkpages; the fact that we allow TM-affiliated accounts to basically write our medical coverage of the movement's claims; and the way that sources are spun and represented; it would be a huge black eye for Wikipedia and its perception. I've spent a lot of time and effort over the years trying to build up Wikipedia's credibility and utility as a source of high-quality medical information, and it's depressing and (frankly) infuriating that situations like these are allowed to occur and that no one seems to view them as problematic. I know that's not your fault, and I'm not blaming you for this last part; I'm just trying to explain where a lot of my frustration is coming from. MastCell Talk 23:25, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Apart from mentioning that your take on involvement seems much stricter than the policy interpretation, I'm not sure I've got anything particularly useful to add here. There was a Committee-instigated RFC on COI after the TG case closed and it didn't really move anything forward. While crowd-sourcing, consensus and pseudonymous editing – and all the inherent problems that come with them - may not always be the best way to proceed, Wikipedia is what it is. I'm afraid there are many things we're just stuck with.  Roger Davies talk 06:51, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
SilkTork's comments make it clear that these views do carry formal weight: apparently the official view of the case is that "WBB was adding unsourced negative comments to those articles. TG (TimidGuy) was moving the articles to a sourced neutral position." While that view is explicitly contradicted by the actual case decision (which was critical of TimidGuy's use of sources), it apparently played a large role in at least one Arb's decision to deny a ban appeal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MastCell (talkcontribs) 23:25, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Actually, MastCell, that's not an official view at all. It's a personal take, one arbitrator's take on something which was not the subject of a finding. As SilkTork often follows through with his own enquiries as part of due diligence, it's probably best to ask him if you'd like something clarified. 06:51, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Roger, I've got to jump in on this one for a bit. I've largely stayed out of the actual issue of WBB's ban because I don't really know that much about it due to all the private info. But anyway, you say WBB's actions led to an unjust six-month ban, and I'm willing to take that at face value, if only for the sake of argument. And assuming that WBB distorted facts to get someone banned, that's certainly not acceptable. But WBB did not pull the trigger. So I'm left asking this: Why nothing at all on the person who did? Surely that person is additionally at fault. The last time I brought this up, it was ignored. Perhaps it was just because I was so late to the party, though I've never been able to shake off my concern that the committee won't answer me because of a fear of lese majesté. I suppose at this point there's nothing to be done about a more-than-a-year-old case, but it's always bugged me that there was this disconnect between the treatment of the accomplice to a ban and that of the banner himself. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 12:04, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
That's a very interesting point (I don't recall reading that at the time you wrote it but wish I had). I never saw what WBB did as lèse-majesté and my thoughts align very much with what you have said here about banning and due diligence. Sanctioning the banner is altogether a different matter. As the banner was not involved in any of the aggravating factors (outing, harassment etc); his statements that he'd defer to the committee's decision, whatever that was; and the considerable number of grey areas concerning his precise role and precise powers, I doubt whether there would have been support for sanctions.  Roger Davies talk 07:02, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, I'm glad I get a straight answer, but I can't say this strikes me as anything close to consistent with AC's usual practice with admins, which is that one strike is enough for an admonishment or at least reminder. Consider Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Perth (Deacon and Gnangarra, and the latter was nearly outright desysopped) and Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich Farmbrough (Elen of the Roads), along with several in the past (Moreschi's admonishment for unblocking Giano; Bishonen's admonishment for blocking FT2, I could go on, but these are from before nearly anyone on the current committee was around). And all of these decisions were easily reversed. The ban here could only be reversed by a lengthy ArbCom case. I should think if anything, there is more of a case for a reminder in this case than normal ones. At least if the committee wants to be consistent. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:27, 16 May 2013 (UTC) P.S.: Sorry about the lateness; been real life'd lately.)
I'm not at all sure that, if you look at the whole picture, WBB's conduct is in any way consistent with the examples you provide, either in terms of duration or impact, and serious sustained misconduct has always been seen as incompatible with adminship.  Roger Davies talk 05:34, 21 May 2013 (UTC) PS: Also a bit tangled up with real life and travelling, at the moment.
Ah, that's not what I meant. I'm not talking about the conduct of WBB. I'm talking about the conduct of the one who pulled the trigger on the ban. That would be a case of one bad admin (well, actually much higher than admin) move, similar to the examples I've made. Certainly WBB's behaviour, as the committee has described it, is not comparable with the cases I named. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 06:30, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Now I see what you meant, thanks. Yes, I agree with you though as I said above there probably wasn't consensus for such a step.  Roger Davies talk 06:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Heimstern, in case you miss it: I've replied at the clarification request to the second of the two comments you left at your section there. It does seem like Roger's understanding of the reasons we hear appeals by e-mail differs from my own, but both his reasons and mine seem like good ones—and moreover, seem like ones that mean it's fair for the committee to keep this part of its business private. Regards, AGK [•] 11:09, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Quite. They are handled by email off-wiki, with little formality and little publicity, because (a) that is what the vast bulk of people appealing want; (b) there has never been much demand for them to be heard in public; and (c) the opportunities for grandstanding in public appeals by banned users are great.  Roger Davies talk 17:00, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm not saying that they should be on-wiki; for practical reasons, they shouldn't. And in most cases, they stay off-wiki (denying an appeal to the long-term nationalist who gets banned under disc sancs and just says "I want to edit" is just not going to be controversial). But being ready to explain in cases that are controversial ought to be standard practice for ArbCom (at least wherever that's an option; of course private information does make that impossible sometimes). And that's what I still find lacking. Instead of a nice, clear explanation, we've got editors having to play private investigator to find out why something happened. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 12:04, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
  • A nice clear explanation, at the time the appeal was declined, would have been best. That is usually much easier said than done. We talked once about having a spokesman for the committee to handle situations like this. The insurmountable problem was that in situations where a spokesman would be most needed we'd have most difficulty agreeing the common position. The simplest explanation is that it requires a clear majority of the committee to overturn a formal binding decision. If there's no indication of a consensus to unban, then there will not be the requisite majority to do so.  Roger Davies talk 07:02, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
  • I see what you mean now. I agree (though if I can play "I told you so", I was also the one who asked the committee that we publish the vote…), but for whatever it's worth I've never in my year and a half as an arbitrator seen the committee be so reluctant to talk about an appeal in public. I think that is partly because we were asked about the appeal on a rarely-watched talk page (look at its traffic before the Will Beback thread) and we many of my colleagues simply weren't reading the WT:BASC thread, and partly because the appeal arose from a case based so extensively on very private, sensitive evidence. I don't think this is the start of a pattern, but we (as a committee) can nevertheless always learn something from incidents like this one. Regards, AGK [•] 14:49, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually[edit]

I was adding on, but clicked too soon. Sorry about that. Normally I'd respect your input, but not in that manner. Dreadstar 04:30, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah, OK. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 04:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, but the years of abuse by a few other editors has made me a bit sensitive, didn't mean to take it out on you. My apologies, I know you were just trying to help. Dreadstar 04:33, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

A delicious pie for you![edit]

A very beautiful Nectarine Pie.jpg For my egregious misunderstanding of your intent, I award you this delicious pie! My apologies... Dreadstar 04:35, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
feel free to enjoy it with ice cream, or to smack it right back in my face....I think I may deserve it... :)
No need for a pieface. What good does that do? Let's just enjoy pie and move on. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 05:27, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Not the victim[edit]

Doc's allegation that three editors have been after him is not quite right.[4] James is not the victim here. The victims are those he misrepresents and they have a right to defend themselves or be defended. My original post now deleted [5] is a response to a misrepresentation. I should not have posted again on that page given Doc's warning, but I hate to stand by and see others damaged. I won't say more.(olive (talk) 15:47, 23 May 2013 (UTC))

I really would rather not be dragged into this any further, so I'd say that last sentence is for the best. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 05:28, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide[edit]

Right when Malizengin's block was over. He went ahead and reverted in Armenian Genocide without going to the talk page to consult his additions, even though I gave an elaborate explanation for the additions on my TP. This user does not seem to comply with WP guidelines whatsoever. Heres the diff. Proudbolsahye (talk) 04:46, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks like someone else got him, and since this block was made under AE rules, it's going to be nigh on impossible to lift before its expiry. I suppose that's all there is to do here for now. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 05:26, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

My little pony[edit]

VERY good Heimstern, thank you for that tip. Actually as a single father, I remember my daughter being absolutely enthralled with the entire brand. I could probably even find a few of those items from the 80s buried in a box of old toys if I looked hard enough.— Ched :  ?  15:20, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I've not had kids yet, and oddly enough, none of my younger sisters ever showed any interest in My Little Pony in the 80s or even 90s. I wouldn't know anything about the franchise had not some friends encouraged me to give the newer series a chance, and I did, and found I liked it. Though that doesn't mean I don't find certain members of the brony crowd to be nothing more than trolls, as some of them most certainly are! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 15:48, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
I dream of a Wikipedia where someday our article on coronary disease will be at least half as long and detailed as our article on "bronies". MastCell Talk 17:29, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
I'd be cool with that. Alas, I can't help make it happen; I'd have to know stuff about science! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 00:20, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Apropos of your recent note on ANI[edit]

I hardly suppose you saw my mention of Sandstein's block of Saedon on WP:BN? (That's where the action is.) Bishonen | talk 08:37, 6 July 2013 (UTC).

Unfortunately, yes, I've seen all that. Damned infuriating, that whole thing. I've been staying out of it partly so I don't go bezerk and block half the admin corps. And I've been rather tempted to self-desysop, too, though it's more complicated in my case, since I tend to be on hardblocked IPs. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 08:41, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
OK, you can block half the admin corps and Sandstein, as I suggested, can block the rest of the community and then we'll have a nice manageable project. Let Jimbo write his own damn articles. Bishonen | talk 08:57, 6 July 2013 (UTC).
Sounds like a plan to me. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 09:16, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
I've never understood why burnt-out admins go gently into the good night with self-desysops. Three words: blaze of glory. Email me when you're ready. :P MastCell Talk 23:34, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
How soon can you block Jimbo? (Wait till he gets back from vacation.) I'll take it from there. Bishonen | talk 23:40, 6 July 2013 (UTC).
So I should take this seriously and initiate emergency desysop procedures for the three of you, right. NW (Talk) 00:42, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Kauffner[edit]

You recently blocked User Kauffner for edit warring for 72 hours. Immediately upon his block ending, he again made the same warring edit reverting the redirection of the Han Nom article, which was merged via consensus. As this user refuses to abide by consensus, would you consider protecting the redirect? (in addition to whatever action you think appropriate on the user? Gaijin42 (talk) 22:09, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey. No doubt you've seen that Ponyo blocked him before I was able to get around to this. So I think this situation is resolved. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 15:36, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Indeed, but thanks for the response! Gaijin42 (talk) 16:13, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes ArbCom case opened[edit]

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Evidence. Please add your evidence by July 31, 2013, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, — ΛΧΣ21 17:59, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Back from unannounced holiday[edit]

But ugh, I think I might keep my Wikiholiday for a while. The drama here seems worse than usual, if such a thing is even possible. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 03:41, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

well, I hope your vacation was nice, at least. Welcome back to this alternate... what's the opposite of "reality"? MastCell Talk 04:59, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Wikiality? Heimstern Läufer (talk) 07:13, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Heim. Hope you had an enjoyable break. In case you hadn't noticed (and if you still care), we finally finished our draft of the new discretionary sanctions. It's taken a while, but I think the finished piece is nice and polished. It's up for community comment at WP:AC/DSR. AGK [•] 07:56, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Maggie told me that you were helpful to her on an issue. Thank you! And a belated thank you for your time earlier this summer, as well. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 19:34, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome on both counts, and thanks for the barnstar! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 13:57, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi[edit]

m:SRG, or you can email them at stewards at wikimedia dot org if you need to convey something private. --Rschen7754 21:02, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Amateur poetry and bad puns thread[edit]

Hey Heim. I added <poem> tags to your latest comment on Bish's talk page, to make your lines display as I think you wanted. Revert if I've misread! AGK [•] 12:45, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

AE[edit]

Hello Heimstern. Thanks for closing the Summichum report. Are you planning to leave a warning at User talk:Summichum? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 07:18, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I did, but he/she has since removed it. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 07:42, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I wonder if we could use prompt removal of AE notices as a hint as to whether the original AE closure was appropriate. The people who clean their talk pages of all warnings are usually back on the noticeboards soon. EdJohnston (talk) 21:34, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
This is true. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 00:35, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

My user page[edit]

Just out of curiosity, what did my user page say before you deleted it? I know it was nothing more than a vandal trying to get back at me, but I never got to read the flattering words he had to say. --BenStein69 (talk) 09:03, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

It said "I'm a fucktard this is Kai Clay Roberts giving you a message go fuck yourself". At first, it simply said "I'm a fucktard", so I'm guessing that was intended as a description of you. But I rather like that, in the final version, the vandal inadvertantly made it look like it referred to him/herself. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 10:47, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions 2013 review: Draft v3[edit]

Hi. You have commented on Draft v1 or v2 in the Arbitration Committee's 2013 review of the discretionary sanctions system. I thought you'd like to know Draft v3 has now been posted to the main review page. You are very welcome to comment on it on the review talk page. Regards, AGK [•] 00:15, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Gun control arbitration proposed decision[edit]

Hello. You have participated in the Gun control arbitration case, or are named as a party to it. Accordingly, you may wish to know that the committee is now voting on its decision for this case. The decision is being voted on at the Proposed decision page. Comments on the decision can be made at the Proposed decision talk page. For the Arbitration Committee, AGK [•] 11:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:47, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Precious[edit]

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rejoice in the good that exists
Thank you, Southern Californian, for articles starting with a symphony, for warnings, essays and evaluation, for writing about yourself in prose, "Sometimes the nicest thing you can do to a person is be harsh with them", "rejoice in the good that exists" and "I don't blame you for not wanting to be part of this community ...", - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (28 March 2009)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:09, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

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hope over experience

pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Aw, that's so nice of you to say. Thanks, Gerda. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:01, 17 August 2014 (UTC)