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Welcome![edit]

Hello, Hjal, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! 

bibliomaniac15 00:20, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. I have looked at all of the links and have passed along the above once or twice. Hjal --Hjal 07:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Rodger Young Bio[edit]

Hi, Hjal. Just to give you a heads-up, I removed the external bio link to Rodger Young that you placed on the Starship Troopers page. Links to other wikipedia pages are preferred, and since this page already links to Rodger Young at the first mention of Rico's transport, this didn't seem appropriate. If the bio link is appropriate, I suggest that you put it on Young's page. Cheers, and happy editing! -- Pawl 18:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

First, yes, I agree that the link to Rodger Young that you added is reasonable. Second, I'm not so sure sure about linking to the USS Valley Forge is smart - someone clicking through should be expecting to go to something about this ship "Valley Forge", not its namesake. (Well, actually, according to the naming convention that Heinlein cited, iirc, ships of that class were named after locations that "mudfeet made their names shine", not previous ships.) Similarly, the link to Ypres might be confusing to someone not familiar with the story, but I'm hoping that no one thinks that a ship collided with a city while "over Klendathu" - but perhaps I need to go in & rephrase that part in the article. (Lastly, now that I think about it, I don't think that Valley Forge or Ypres were of the ship class called "corvette", but I need to go back and read the story again.) -- Pawl 00:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Fremont Unified School District discussions[edit]

American High[edit]

Hey Hjal,

Thanks for the information. I have made the necessary changes to the American High School article, and made sure the original links to American High School now go directly to that page. I also added a disambiguation page for American High School. I am currently working on a larger plan to edit and clean up the American High School article, as it has relatively few sources and it is somewhat length and rambling.

Look forward to working with you in the future.

-Sukh17 09:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

FUSD and Related Articles[edit]

Hey Hjal, I am actually in the middle of finals right now, and I am planning on doing a lot of work on all of the articles that I have created, standardizing all of the pages and possibly going around the area and adding photography of the schools to all of the pages. I have designed a larger plan for the American High School article. As you can see, I am making applying a new organizational scheme. The first section that I have added so far is about the Student Body, and I plan on adding and reorganizing the rest of the article into sections about the Administration, Sports and Clubs, Academics. I have not finalized the plan for this, but I will figure this all out next week when I am back home. -Sukh17 23:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gomes Elementary School[edit]

Hi Hjal, Thank you for your support in keeping the article for Gomes Elementary School. Please reexamine the page for Gomes Elementary School. I believe that this article now has proper assertion of notability, as well as other useful details which have all been clearly referenced. Hopefully this will all be enough to hold onto this article. Thank You. Sukh17 20:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Fremont, California[edit]

Hey Hjal. I just noticed that you removed some information from the Fremont, California page. Although I personally did not go to Mission San Jose High School, and do not personally admire it, the information and claim of MSJHS as a prestigious high school is very true. Additionally, it is the second oldest high school in Fremont. I am sure finding the sources and specific numbers to support this claim will be very easy, so perhaps it should be included. I am welcome to any other ideas. --Thank You! Sukh17 Talk | Contribs 06:51, 8 March 2007

  • I know that it is the most prestigious. I took it out for the reasons given in my edit summary (especially the uncited vanity aspect), but also because the information is out of place in the City article when no specific details were included about the other high schools. If somebody editied the section into a bulletted list, with bits about each school (Washington oldest and on NRHP, MSJ 2nd oldest and consistantly highest ranked academically, Kennedy a technology magnet or whatgever, etc.), then I think that it would fit in fine. It would still draw vandals, but there's no escaping that. I didn't check the history to see if you had added that bit--I was following the vandal to some other articles while you were getting rid of the bulk of the vandalism.--Hjal 07:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
    • I didn't add that part to the article. It was just a little suggestion. Anyhow, appreciate the input as always. --Thank You! Sukh17 Talk | Contribs 07:12, 8 March 2007

Greetings[edit]

Hey Hjal. Haven't talked to you in while. I just wanted to say hello and see what you were up to lately, and if there any projects of interest that you are working on. Well have a good day! --Sukh17 TCE 19:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Request for Assistance[edit]

hiya. I began some much-needed work on the Nancy Reagan article, but there seem to be some technical difficulties. As a fellow member of the WikiProject Biography, and a fellow secret cabal member (fnord ;) ), I would like to call upon you for a bit of assistance figuring out the weirdness there. You can help edit if you want, but I am primarily looking for help to address the weirdness. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arcayne (talkcontribs) 05:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

I looked at the Nancy Reagan page, but I'm not sure that I understand what weirdness you are referring to.--Hjal 08:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Please chime in if you have a view[edit]

There's an interesting experience going on over at WikiProject California, and WikiProject Southern California.

Some time ago, WikiProject California members had placed their project tags on all articles about California cities. Those tags have been in place for some time. Recently certain members of WikiProject Southern California, after discussion on that project's talk page (only), decided to remove the WikiProject California tags for (almost all) Southern California cities, and replace the tags with WikiProject Southern California tags - only.

That is, the WikiProject Southern California members didn't simply add the WikiProject Southern California tag to Southern California cities, the WikiProject California tags were completely removed. This was done apparently without consultation with the WikiProject California members.

We are gathering responses to the following questions on those projects' talk pages:

  • Do you have a view whether the WikiProject California tag should be removed from a large number of cities in Southern California?
  • Do you have a view whether city article for Southern California cities should have more than one WikiProject tag?

Please let us know if you have a view! Spamreporter1 16:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Independent proposal for WP:CAL and WP:SOCAL tags[edit]

User Spamreporter1 has made a proposal for the tagging issue. He was not previously involved with either project before seeing this discussion, and I belive that his opinion therefore is NPOV. The suggestion is that articles that have no state-wide scope be tagged only locally. Please go to this section on the SoCal page to provide input. —ScouterSig 18:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Invitation[edit]

Hello – Based on your significant contribution to one or more San Francisco Bay Area-related articles and/or stated interests on your homepage, I thought you might be interested in this project:

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You have been invited to join the WikiProject San Francisco Bay Area, a collaborative effort focused on improving Wikipedia's coverage of the Bay Area. If you'd like to join, just add your name to the member list. Thanks for reading!

Peter G Werner 20:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Joke[edit]

Thanks for fixing that (larry the lobster) :) Troubleshooter 18:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

If you check the history of WP Talk California[edit]

If you check the history of WP Talk California, you'll see that another editor (not me) moved your comment. It's that kind of action that I was trying to avoid by copying comments to a condensed location. Spamreporter1 21:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

EditCountOptIn[edit]

I agree to the edit counter opt-in terms

Sausalito Marin City School District[edit]

I think you're off to a useful start in the NCES model. I have created article for nearly every one of the List of school districts in New Jersey and this would have been a useful model. Unlike teh attitude for schools, there has been little effort to delete school district articles. I would strongly suggest starting with the school districts, expanding these articles with district information, and then using that as a starting point to create school articles, first for high schools and then working our way down. Once you start looking. its remarkably easy to find reliable sources for high schools. There's little reason that virtually any high school can't have a pretty thorough article created in a short time. Keep it up and let me know if I can help. It would be extremely helpful if you could compe up with a procedure to extract the NCES data to be plugged into the template.Alansohn 19:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

U.S. centrism[edit]

Please do not impose American date formats on British English articles. Doing so is a breach of Wikipedia policy on the equality of British and American English. Stella Mercer 18:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

School merge template[edit]

I've reverted the school template. As a world encylopaedia Wikipedia has to accommodate all countries, not just the US. Such a template makes no sense for other countries (ie, the rest of the world apart from the US and possibly Canada) which don't have school districts. Perhaps there should be a separate US-specific template if there is a need to mention school districts. I would have thought that the word "locality" would cover school districts anyway. Dahliarose 18:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Despite the fact that WP is intended to accomodate all countries, it is not necessary that every single word or phrase apply worldwide. In many cases, such as this one, that is not even possible. An American "school district" is not a "locality" as most speakers of American English would understand the term. It turns out, as discussed in WP's own Locality article, that for the U.S., at least, "locality" does not "mean" what most of us have been using it to mean in school-related discussions.

In geography, a locality is a place. This is the primary meaning of the term, from which other uses derive. Specifically, the term "locality" is used by the United States Board on Geographic Names to refer to the name of a place that is neither a legally incorporated or defined entity (like a township or city), nor a specific geographical feature such as a river or mountain. [citation needed]

So, I am thinking about language for the template and for the Schools Project something like this: "It has been suggested that this school-related article be merged to the appropriate article on the place where it is located (city, town, township, county, etc.) or on the school district, division, agency, parish, diocese or other organization that controls it." Virginia has "school divisions" rather than "districts," with elected boards but no power to levy taxes. Catholic schools, which make up the largest group of non-public schools in the U.S., are frequently associated with their diocese, rather than their parish, while I think that may not be true of church-related schools in England and elsewhere. This list can not be exhaustive, but it should certainly be more than "locality."
I think that specific templates for major English-speaking countries and other countries with large numbers of school articles might be a good idea, but I'm not up to making them. Since the variations have to addess both usage and local administrative differences, it would be a difficult task. In the meantime, it seems to me that the use of the word "or," as in "locality or schoold district" is sufficient to indicate that there is more than one reasonable option without creating a U.S.-centric constraint on British English speakers.
Although I disagree with some of your school-related posts, it has seemed to me that you were trying to move us toward a workable concensus. It has also seemed to me that that your comments regarding the U.S. v. The World are not as helpful.--Hjal 19:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
You also deleted the documentation that User:Quarl had included, with no explanation.--Hjal 19:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I have heard of Archie Williams, but never any reason why it would be controversial to name something after him at drake. sorry. 67.188.30.240 03:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Sporks[edit]

"Why is this page a vandal target?" - because sporks are a cliche of dull Internet humour, and because the article is the top result for a Google search for "spork". Oh well. --McGeddon 19:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

AfD's and WP:N[edit]

Hi, I thought it would be better to continue this discussion here rather than fill up the NPWatcher talk page.

I have to commend you on your use of one of Cicero's classic oratorical techniques, although it is somewhat weasley to say things along the lines of "If I didn't have to assume good faith, I'd have these nasty things to say about another editor."

As for WP:N, perhaps I am not understanding you, but I can't find any of the "steps" you are referring to. Can you help me out in that regard?

In the meantime, I must point out that no amount of cleanup will confer notability upon a nonnotable subject. Similarly, we cannot assume that somebody will come along later, find something notable about a subject and add attributed statements backing it up.

Thanks.

--Butseriouslyfolks 07:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

From WP:N#Merging
A topic can fail to satisfy the criteria because, though it may be found in published works that are not simple directories and that are from sources that are independent of the subject, it is mentioned trivially rather than being an in-depth subject of the works. Information which is given only superficial treatment or which is tangentially mentioned in discussions surrounding the actual focus of a work, is not sufficient to build a full, sourced encyclopedia article that stands independent of the main subject.
One common recommendation across all notability guidelines is not to nominate articles on such subjects for deletion but to rename, refactor, or merge them into articles with broader scopes, or into the articles that discuss the main subject, which may be created if they do not already exist.4
Note 4: Some examples:... Wikipedia:Notability (schools) recommends that individual articles on schools where there are no non-trivial published works from sources other than the school itself be merged into articles on the towns or regions where schools are located, or into articles on the school districts, education authorities, or other umbrella school organizations as appropriate.
Wikipedia:Schools is currently inactive, but that note remains as one of the few bits of actual consensus reached in the discussions there. Schools articles are also nominated for deletion when what they need is cleanup or citations, but, again, the nominators usually do not post those tags or make any efforts to improve the articles themselves.
BTW, I didn't like rhetoric and dropped it after a few weeks. I don't remember seeing you comment in other AfDs, so I don't actually have an opinion of you, just of the program you are using to outdraw the other patrollers. However, no impartial reader could spend time at AfD without noting that many (not all) of the editors voting for deletion are particularly nasty, clearly violating Civil and Bite. Of course, that same reader would also note that many of the editors voting to keep are immature and shrill, also to the point of violating Civil.--Hjal 16:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I see. There may have been consensus for that at the time, but I'm fairly certain there is not currently. There is a group of active inclusionist editors that have taken the position that all high schools are inherently notable and entitled to articles at WP. There is another group of deletionist editors, which I suppose I have fallen in with, that believe that WP:N requires that notability be properly demonstrated on an article-by-article basis, even when dealing with schools. (The members of the latter group have differing opinions on what sort of notability is required. Is one state sports championship sufficient? Must there be press coverage from outside of the school's area? Do notable alumni make a school notable?) While I believe most of the deletionists would be satisfied with merges, I fear this would upset many of the inclusionists.

Part of the problem is that there's no AfM process that I'm aware of. You can add merge proposal templates to these articles, but they're liable to be removed by editors who don't agree, and there's no timeframe or standardized process for decision making, so you have to follow up on every one after a reasonable amount of time. For these reasons, it is a lot less time consuming to propose deletion. Many of the AfD's are closed as "merge", so the same end is reached.

And yes, you are correct, there is a lot of incivility on both sides. I have taken steps to try to cool things down, and it seems a little better at the moment. Hopefully, somebody will do us all a favor and forge some kind of consensus on a new WP:SCHOOL guideline. It would save many people time and energy. Until then, it's a standoff.

--Butseriouslyfolks 20:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Schools[edit]

Please see the talk page, I have made a proposal which I feel may benefit the project. Your feedback is appreciated. --sunstar nettalk 09:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:bsm[edit]

Hi Hjal,

Thank you for your comments during discussion of deletion of {{bsm}} and {{esm}}.

I changed the documentation for {{smallcaps}}, and would welcome your comments. --Kevinkor2 11:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

New barnstar[edit]

I have removed the barnstar on your talk page so that I can keep track of who received this barnstar. OhanaUnited 15:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Zile[edit]

Hi, Can you copy edit the article when you have time? Thanks--Ugur Olgun 17:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

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I uploaded it to use in an aticle I started in my userspace on Elizabeth Terwilliger, at User:Hjal/Elizabeth Terwilliger. I need another couple of images, which will probably need permission, and the text still needs work. I just looked and saw that the image was removed on May 8, since, evidently, PD images are not allowed in userspace. I didn't realize that, or I would have left it for last. I may move the article to articlespace before the week is up and put the image back in. If I don't, then I won't object to deletion. I can add it again later, if necessary.--Hjal 07:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Rfc[edit]

You recently assessed University High School (Los Angeles, California).

We could use a weigh in at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/University High School (Los Angeles, California).

The article in question is protected after an edit war and we're now attempting to get consensus on whether or not school newspaper articles are RS. Miss Mondegreen talk  01:52, May 24 2007 (UTC)

Rachel Carson[edit]

Hey, 96.224.2.238 is back up to his old tricks re-inserting that same old POV into the intro of the Rachel Carson article. I've reverted it a couple times, but he keeps re-reverting. I could use your help. Yilloslime 02:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Mill Valley entry revision[edit]

Okay, I see what you are saying about redundant intros, but it is spurious to claim that Mill Valley "began" with John Reed. Mill Valley, as it was later named, was a byproduct of Spanish (and later, Mexican) developments throughout the Bay Area, which marginalized the previous people who lived there. That is why I added much on to the "early history" section. Why did you take the liberty to remove it? I consider it extremely exclusive and almost racist to assert that Mexico just found this land, gave some to John Reed, and Mill Valley was born. I have put the early history back up and left the intro. If you object to my account of the early history of the area, please edit it. I do not see why you removed it. o0O [GUTH3] O0o 01:01, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

  • When I saw that the intro had been deleted, I clicked through your two edits and reverted to the prior one--I didn't see how much material you had added in your second edit. I just now went to undo my edit and add the intro to your version, but you completed your edit before I did. I have no objection to the early history material in general. However there are a few specific problems: the deletion of the Geography section is non-standard for articles about cities and other settlements; the general outline of the article is getting farther away from the city standard; the Early history section starts with material that might be better addressed at length in the Marin County, California article, with info here limited to content that is specific to Mill Valley; the new material needs more linking and references, while links to individual years without full dates need to be dropped. However, all of that can be accomplished over time, by you or me or others--at lesat it is really enclyclopedic and will not be challenged as non-notable. If you haven't already, you might want to look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities#Article structure example for a U.S. City. When I can, I'll start a discussion about expanding some sections on the article's talk page. Sorry for the inconvenience regarding your edit.--Hjal 01:30, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Sorry for the misunderstanding. I agree with the points you have made above, and I hope we can work on keeping the article encyclopedic. I can be rather long-winded when it comes to any type of history (even summary), as that is where my interests lie. I will take another look at it and see what I could possibly move to the Marin article. Thank you. o0O [GUTH3] O0o 18:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Thumbnail sizes[edit]

Oh, I didn't know I can change preference for thumbnail size. Thanks for that info. Chris! my talk 18:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Marin Academy[edit]

Nicely cited. Got any handy earlier than the 80s? Seems a bit unbalanced...--SarekOfVulcan 19:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Nope. I'm Tam High, Class of '67, myself. I have no idea who went to MA unless it's in the article. But several of the names there do Google pretty well. For Tam, I found quite a few by searching for "x Tamalpais High", where x = attended, graduated from, went to, played for, etc. Of course, half the good hits I found were obituaries.
Here are a few: Alexandra Lawn, Peter Nachtrieb, Megan Matson, c. Class of '75, Jarrett Cherner, '99, Kristin Britting, '88 (from the Alumni newsletter copy of a Marin IJ story--older issues require login, but an alum should go look), Andrew Thompson, Mayor of Tiburon, c. Class of 1980
Deaths: Christopher Smith, Hannah Engle, Kirk Ross, c. Class of '76
Good luck, --Hjal 21:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

bridge vs. bridges[edit]

the bay bridge has a differance set up than the carquinez bridges. The bay bridge forms a single crossing with two bridges "spans". OAKLAND>>OAKLAND TO YERBA BUENA ISLAND/TREASURE ISLAND BRIDGE>>TUNNEL>>YERBA BUENA ISLAND/TREASURE ISLAND TO SAN FRANCISCO BRIDGE but the Carquinez bridges are two separate twin crossings. In fact until recently there were three bridges, but the latter was replaced with a modern suspension bridge which could withstand earthquakes and the classic one could not. In the media they are called the carquinez bridges if i remember correctly.Cholga is a SUPERSTAR¡Talk2Cholga!Sexy Contribs 21:46, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Asruge[edit]

User:Asruge appears to have ignored your comments about link spam, I've upped the warning level, and reverted the additional additions. If you see any more links from this person pop up, would you mind dropping me a line so I can take further action? Thanks! AKRadeckiSpeaketh 23:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Your comment[edit]

A reply to your comment has been left on my talk page. ɑʀкʏɑɴ 15:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Visitor_attractions_in_New_York_City[edit]

FYI, the New York Visitor Attraction template is up for deletion. You've contributed to the SF version so your comments, positive or negative would be appreciated... dm 03:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Newspapers[edit]

I am sorry about that and will get on it a little later today. Thanks, Happyme22 13:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I have moved the page back, as well as created the new article Newspapers in California. Is that better? Happyme22 22:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Bolinas-Stinson Union School District[edit]

The code appears to be an AWB bug. The references to reflist is a standard AWB thing; you should comment at WT:AWB if you don't like it. --NE2 05:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually it appears to have been a Mediawiki bug: User:Splarka/UNIQ list --NE2 05:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

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Rants[edit]

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living persons, as you did to Anne Lamott. Making a statement that the slapping incident described in the Salon article that you used as a reference was child abuse is POV; it may be shared by others, but not all. Your edits to Waco siege have been reverted by another editor as extreme, as was your previous edit to Che Guevara. Please read Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, which are available by clicking on the Help link to the left.--Hjal (talk) 20:26, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

The above message merely proves that the powers that be on wiki are leftists and anything that does not agree with a leftist POV will be erased.

Go ahead and ban my IP. I get a new IP every time I log on to the internet. Keep it up long enough and you will ban the whole internet. Then you will be left talking to yourself in your little echo chamber. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.203.234.109 (talk) 16:09, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Next time you have time to spend on research, you might want to see where corporal punishment of minors falls on the left-right spectrum. In the US, I'm pretty sure that the strongest opposition to spanking is on the far left, not the far right. BTW, I have no power here beyond what they grant to any user.--Hjal (talk) 16:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Read this article, written by 'Slappy' Lamott herself.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/05/22/lamott_fight_son/index.html

She put her hand in his face. This was not 'spanking' this was abuse. He was a child at the time. That makes it child-abuse.

If I were to slap YOU in the face you would react as if Hitler had come back to life. But when a leftist/feminist icon like 'Slappy' Lamott hurts a child, that's just A-OK with you.

You deleted the reference to 'Slappy' Lamott's child abuse because it fits your leftist agenda to do so.

I could be wrong. If you are not a leftist pig then put back the reference in the main article. Show the world that she is a child-abuser.

I wait, holding my breath. NOT! .

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.203.234.109 (talk) 16:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

If you go back and look at the edit I made, you will see that when I deleted your commentary I moved the link to her Salon article up to the end of the lead paragraph and formated it as a proper reference. Check the article history yourself if you don't trust anybody else, or just click this --> [1]. I am not a political supporter of Ms. Lamott--I'm not sure what her politics are, really--I only watch her page because I used to pick up the garbage at her family's house in Bolinas. This article is the first thing I've read of hers in years. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I'm curious about your apparent support of the Branch Davidians. Does a single instance of a mother slapping her son bother you more than serial statutory rape?--Hjal (talk) 20:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
If you go back and look at the edit I made, you will see that when I deleted your commentary I moved the link to her Salon article up to the end of the lead paragraph and formated it as a proper reference.

Wooptee do-da-dee. She is still a child abuser. The words "child abuser" belong in the heart of that article. But KKKlintoon forbid that a liberal icon suffer any criticism.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I'm curious about your apparent support of the Branch Davidians. Does a single instance of a mother slapping her son bother you more than serial statutory rape?

What really bothers me in that case is that the KKKlintoon administration sent in tanks to murder the citizens who's taxes had paid for those tanks.

Again, it's OK because a leftist politician can commit murder and wiki will support it. You support it. You try to excuse the crimes of the KKKlintoon administration by bringing up the crimes of David Koresh.

However bad he was, did that justify murdering those children? Apparently you think it did.

Shades of Tiananmen square, another murder by tanks that was fully supported by communists like yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.203.234.109 (talk) 22:30, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

User Category for Discussion[edit]

Washing Union High School[edit]

Hello Hjal,

Thanks for the welcome and sorry for posting so much. I didn't know the policy. If you can see, I made a post that should be able to stay up.

I do have one question though. How come Molly West is able to stay up when she doesn't have her own article. Is there proof that she appeared in any of those magazines? I mean if you need some stuff to write about her, let me know. I have some stuff that is pretty interesting that could go in her article. I'm just saying, if she doesn't have an article but still can be on the page, why can't I? I'm not writing anything absurd. There are many other alumni who are more notable than her that aren't on the page: Chris Jefferies, played for the Toronto Raptors and Chicago Bulls; Dennis Springer, a knuckle baller who played in the MLB and gave up Barry Bonds 73rd home run; and then Matt Garza who I added.

Just sharing my thoughts.

Anyways... again thanks for the welcome and sorry for posting my name so much. --Herny118 (talk) 01:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject San Francisco Bay Area roll call[edit]

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As part of a recent update to our project main page we are conducting a roll call to check which members are still active and interested in working on bay area related content. If you are still interested in participating, simply move your username from the inactive section of the participant list to the active section. I hope you will find the redesigned project pages helpful, and I wanted to welcome you back to the project. If you want you can take a look at the newly redesigned:

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Again, hi!  -Optigan13 (talk) 07:50, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject California roll call[edit]

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As part of a recent update to our project main page we are conducting a roll call to check which members are still active and interested in working on California related content. If you are still interested in participating, simply move your username from the inactive section of the participant list to the active section. I hope you will find the redesigned project pages helpful, and I wanted to welcome you back to the project. If you want you can take a look at the newly redesigned:

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Again, hi! Optigan13 (talk) 00:19, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Sister Cities[edit]

Hi, Hjal! What do you mean sister cities in your contributions in the article Lipa City? Kampfgruppe (talk) 03:05, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Roadology[edit]

Please take a look at the article Roadology and the Category:Roadology, both have been proposed for deletion. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 01:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Response[edit]

First, all my additions are sourced with reliable sources. What reliable sources do you have for your statements. As I responded to the Humboldt County guru on a similar comment - if you have reliable sources to make changes, you are of course free to make them. If you don't, your edits will be viewed as vandalism - and you seem to recognize the drama occasioned that would by occasioned by that. Furthermore, nearly all the CDPs for the 2000 census are just that - not applicable to anything other than the purpose they were set up for. Many don't mention the articles I have created, so even a redirect is inappropriate even if you can find that the place is within the CDP's boundaries. And finally, there are plenty of reliable sources that Los Angeles is in Los Angeles County, California - but a redirection of that would be just as disruptive. Removing encyclopedic material from the Wiki is not helpful; I suggest your efforts are better spent expanding the articles than dumbing down the Wiki. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 15:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Discussion about turning GNIS entries into WP articles.[edit]

You previously commented on this topic at User talk:Carlossuarez46. We've elevated the discussion to get community input. Please feel free to join in at WT:WikiProject Cities#Systematic inclusion of GNIS unincorporated communities. Thanks! —hike395 (talk) 08:58, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject California Schools[edit]

Hey, Hjal.

I was scanning the WP:WPSCH participants page for users working on California institutions and I found you. Paroxysm11 and I are jump-starting WikiProject California Schools, which had previously been a semi-active offshoot of WikiProject California.

We need support, and could really use your help. Will you join us? :D

--Starstriker7(Talk) 07:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Bibliography page guideline proposal[edit]

Hi Hjal,

As you have been involved in the previous discussions about bibliography pages, I thought you should be notified about a formal proposal here. Any constructive contributions would be welcome.

Happy editing,

Neelix (talk) 20:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Draft lottery (1969)[edit]

Today I tried to rewrite this article to "clarify and smooth" but inevitably I touched the substance too. (Along the way I introduced some in-line links to SSS, for reason given at the talk page, section "clarify and smooth".

Regarding the substance, I wonder about the call for induction and call for physical exam, which SSS mentions. Apparently that draft system was used to call for physical exam through 1976; that is, through 1975 lottery numbers. Maybe this shouldn't be in wikipedia but I have started to clarify it (I hope) at the ends of section 0 and section 1. You may be knowledgeable and interested. I see your note on the talk page two years ago, "Almost all of us at 195 or lower who were 1-A got orders to report for a physical during 1970.--Hjal (talk)". (a) How did you get 1-A status without a physical exam? (b) Did you mean to say 195 or lower called for a physical, or called for induction? (c) Do you recall that anyone else was called for physical without induction, up to number 215 every year through 1976, SSS seems to say. --P64 (talk) 20:36, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I may have made an assumption that I was recassified to 1-A automatically when I lost my student deferrment, pending the the results of the physical. However, I'm not sure.--Hjal (talk) 07:51, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. So I'll leave it until someone else comes along. --P64 (talk) 21:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject United States[edit]

Welcome to the project. I also wanted to let you know that I modified the proposed wording to include some of your suggestions. --Kumioko (talk) 16:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

New WikiProject United States Newsletter: February 2011 edition[edit]

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Pete Sears[edit]

Hi. I've restored all the removed Pete Sears links now. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:45, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

US National Archives collaboration[edit]

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There are all sorts of tasks available for any type of editor, whether you're a writer, organizer, gnome, coder, or image guru. The National Archives is making its resources available to Wikipedia, so help us forge this important relationship! Please sign up and introduce yourself. Dominic·t 15:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

There was a lot of talk but no consensus was reached, but removal of data without explanation doesn't move the ball forward. Thanks for the notice. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:01, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

WP Schools in the Signpost[edit]

"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Schools for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Other editors will also have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 15:38, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

IBAs[edit]

Hi Hjal - I have been dropping most of the IBA categories because they do not appear to actually be Important Bird Areas as defined and identified by BirdLife International, which is what the category is for. As far as I can see, of the 200 or so genuine US IBAs, hardly any are categorised as such (Salton Sea is an exception). As far as I can see people have been adding the US IBA cat to any site they consider important for birds, which is not what the cat is for. There may also be some confusion with the American Birding Association or the American Bird Conservancy designating sites as important outside the BLI process. The US organisation which is identifying IBAs for BirdLife appears to be National Audubon. If I am mistaken on any of this, please let me know. Cheers. Maias (talk) 22:02, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Hjal - if I am messing up your edits I apologise. Maybe I am misunderstanding, but there seems to be a disjunct between what BLI and Audubon are calling US IBAs. What I have derived from the BLI website as US IBAs are:
  • ACE Basin National Wildlife Refuge (Edisto Unit)
  • Adirondack High Peaks Forest Tract
  • Agattu Island
  • Aiktak Island
  • Allegan State Game Area and Kalamazoo River (Galesburg to Saugatuck)
  • Altamaha River Delta
  • Amak Island
  • American Falls Reservoir
  • Andreafsky Wilderness
  • Anza-Borrego Riparian
  • Apalachicola River and Forests
  • Assateague Island
  • Attu Island
  • Avon Park Air Force Range (Bombing Range Ridge)
  • Baby Islands and Akutan Pass
  • Baldwin Lake
  • Barn Island Wildlife Management Area
  • Barren Islands
  • Barrier Island and Lagoon System
  • Barry State Game Area, Yankee Springs Recreation Area and Perry Trust
  • Battery Island Audubon Sanctuary
  • Bear Island Wildlife Management Area
  • Bear Lake National Wildlife Refuge
  • Bechevin Bay
  • Big Oaks National Wildlife Refuge
  • Bilk Creek and Montana Mountains
  • Blackfoot Reservoir
  • Blacksand Spit
  • Bogoslof Island and Fire Island
  • Braddock Bay
  • Brevard Scrub Ecosystem
  • Brosnan Forest
  • Buldir Island
  • Cache and Lower White Rivers
  • Cache River State Natural Area
  • Camp Pendleton
  • Cape Canaveral and Merritt Island
  • Cape Hatteras National Seashore
  • Cape Lisburne
  • Cape Newenham
  • Cape Peirce
  • Cape Senyavin
  • Cape Thompson
  • Carolina Sandhills National Wildlife Refuge
  • Carter Bay
  • Castle Rock State Park and Lowden-Miller State Forest
  • Catahoula, Dewey Wills, and Three Rivers
  • Catskills Peaks Area
  • Central Pasco
  • Central Seward Peninsula
  • Central Yukon-Kuskokwim
  • Chagulak Island
  • Chagvan Bay
  • Chandeleur Islands (Breton National Wildlife Refuge)
  • Channel Islands (Northern)
  • Chiniak Bay
  • Chinook Fish and Wildlife Area and Chinook Mine
  • Cinder River and Hook Lagoon
  • Coastal Saginaw Bay (Nayanquing Point to Wildfowl Bay)
  • Comanche National Grassland
  • Copper River Delta
  • Corkscrew Swamp Watershed
  • Cowles Bog (Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore)
  • Cumberland Island National Seashore
  • Cypress Creek National Wildlife Refuge
  • Delmarva Bayside Marshes
  • Deseret Land and Livestock Ranch
  • Donnelly Wildlife Management Area
  • East Mojave Peaks
  • Eastern Beaufort Sea Lagoons and Barrier Islands
  • Eastern Neck National Wildlife Refuge
  • Egegik Bay
  • Eglin Air Force Base
  • Fisheating Creek Watershed
  • Fort Chaffee
  • Fort Custer Training Center and Recreation Area
  • Fort Jackson Military Reservation
  • Fox River Flats
  • Francis Marion National Forest
  • Gareloi Island
  • Goodnews Bay
  • Goose Lake Prairie State Park
  • Goose Pond/Beehunter Marsh Fish and Wildlife Area
  • Great Bay
  • Great Dismal Swamp
  • Great Gull Island
  • Gunnison Basin
  • Hammonasset Beach State Park
  • Hampton/Seabrook Marsh and Dune
  • Harriman Fjord
  • Hebgen Lake
  • High Elevation Spruce-Fir
  • High Rock Resource Area
  • Hobcaw Barony
  • Holla Bend National Wildlife Refuge
  • Homer Spit
  • Icy Bay
  • Idaho National Laboratory
  • Iditarod River Lowlands
  • Imperial Valley
  • Iroquois County State Conservation Area
  • Izembek and Moffet Lagoons
  • Jamaica Bay
  • Jasper-Pulaski Fish and Wildlife Area and surrounding areas
  • Kachemak Bay (South Shore)
  • Kahiltna Flats-Petersville Road
  • Kaligagan Island
  • Kankakee River Fish and Wildlife Area
  • Kankakee Sands Project and surrounding natural areas
  • Kasegaluk Lagoon
  • Kirtland's Warbler Management Units and Guide's Rest
  • Kiska Island
  • Kissimmee Prairie Preserve and State Park
  • Koniuji Island
  • Kuluk Bay
  • Kuskokwim River Delta
  • Kvichak Bay
  • Lake Wales Ridge
  • Little Beaver Creek
  • Little Diomede Island and Fairway Rock
  • Lower Detroit River
  • Lower Rappahannock River
  • Lynnville-Squaw Creek Mine Complex
  • Marble Canyon
  • Medway Plantation
  • Mendenhall Wetlands
  • Midewin National Tallgrass Prairie
  • Minidoka National Wildlife Refuge
  • Mission Bay
  • Mississippi Palisades State Park
  • Missouri National Recreational River
  • Monroe Lake
  • Montezuma Wetlands Complex
  • Nanvak Bay
  • Nelson Lagoon-Mud Bay
  • Niagara River Corridor
  • North Platte River Valley
  • North Valley Grasslands
  • Northern Everglades
  • Northern Montague Island
  • Nushagak Bay
  • Ocala National Forest-Lake George
  • Orange Coast Wetlands
  • Oscar Scherer State Park
  • Osceola Flatwoods and Prairies
  • Osceola National Forest-Okefenokee Swamp
  • Outer Shumagin Islands
  • Owyhee Uplands
  • Ozark National Forest
  • Pamunkey and Mattaponi Rivers
  • Parker Mountain
  • Patoka River National Widlife Refuge
  • Pawnee National Grassland
  • Pea Island National Wildlife Refuge
  • Pocosin Lakes/ Pungo National Wildlife Refuge
  • Pomona Nongame Bird Management Area
  • Port Heiden
  • Port Moller-Herendeen Bay
  • Port Snettisham
  • Prairie Ridge State Natural Area - Jasper and Marion Units
  • Pratt's Wayne and Phillip State Park Grassland Complex
  • Pyramid State Park
  • Raft River and Curlew Valley
  • Redoubt Bay
  • Rowe Sanctuary
  • Salton Sea
  • San Diego Bay
  • San Diego National Wildlife Refuge-Eastern
  • San Juan County - Gunnison Sage-Grouse
  • San Luis Rey River
  • San Pasqual Valley
  • Sand Hills State Forest (South Carolina Forest Commission)
  • Santa Ana River Valley
  • Santa Clara River Valley
  • Santee National Wildlife Refuge
  • Seal Islands
  • Segula-Davidof Islands
  • Semichi Islands
  • Sheldon National Wildlife Refuge
  • Shortleaf Pine-Bluestem Grass Ecosystem Management Area
  • Shugart/Felsenthal Red-cockaded Woodpecker
  • Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore (including North Manitou Island)
  • South Hills
  • St. George Island
  • St. Lawrence Island
  • St. Matthew Island
  • St. Paul Island
  • St. Sebastian River State Buffer Preserve
  • Stikine River Delta
  • Sugar Creek Valley
  • Susitna Flats
  • Terminal Island Tern Colony
  • Teshekpuk Lake and East Dease Inlet
  • Trading Bay
  • Tuxedni Bay
  • Uganik Bay and Viekoda Bay
  • Ugashik Bay
  • Universal Mine
  • Upper Blue Ridge Mountains
  • Upper Naknek River
  • Upper Strawberry Watershed
  • Upper Tanana River Valley
  • Walrus Islands
  • Wapanocca National Wildlife Refuge
  • Waterloo Recreation Area
  • Webb Wildlife Management Area
  • Wellington-Pine Grove Hills
  • Westby Prairie-Wetland Complex
  • White River (Manistee National Forest)
  • Willow Slough Fish and Wildlife Area
  • Withlacoochee-Panasoffkee-Big Scrub
  • Zion National Park

Maias (talk) 23:54, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

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Claim that only some content violates BLP[edit]

Re [2] - if there are some entries that dont violate BLP then you may return them. It is not acceptable for you to return content that violates BLP and require others to sort it out. -- The Red Pen of Doom 17:40, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Adam Steltzner[edit]

Hi saw the addition, thanks. I checked the cited source and can't find mention of the years he attended Tamalpais High School (1981) and College of Marin (1985–1987). I'm sure it is correct though. Is it there or in another source to verify? Green Cardamom (talk) 01:47, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok found this article which gives high school graduation date of 1981, but unable to find a source for the 1985-87 College of Marin dates.. Green Cardamom (talk) 02:00, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Hjal/Sandbox/SaveTheBay[edit]

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Wikipedia Loves Libraries Seattle[edit]

Decemmber 8 - Wikipedia Loves Libraries Seattle - You're invited
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Women's history editathon[edit]

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Silent Spring[edit]

I'm attempting to improve the article and hopefully bring it to FA status at one point. Any help is appreciated. I have recently taken a lot of material from the Rachel Carson article and inserted it into the Silent Spring article to use as a starting point. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 07:45, 18 March 2014 (UTC)