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Human trafficking

Maintenance note[edit]

I maintain this page by deleting items after a week or two. Hmains (talk) 16:09, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


You may wish to make use of a 'Dates' tab in edit mode that will help with unlinking unnecessary date links. Simply copy the entire contents of User:Bobblewik/monobook.js to your own monobook. Then follow the instructions in your monobook to clear the cache (i.e. press Ctrl-Shift-R in Firefox, or Ctrl-F5 in IE) before it will work. It also provides a 'Units' tab. If you know what you are doing, you can copy and modify the subfiles as you wish. I just thought you might be interested. Regards. bobblewik 20:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

The reason it fails is because you refer to User:Hmains/monobook.js/dates.js and User:Hmains/monobook.js/unitformatter.js and these articles do not exist. You have two options:
Try again. I am happy to walk you through the process. So feel free to ask me again. bobblewik 12:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

hold for cat discussion until find example[edit]

There are some categories that are used only for categories, and never for articles. Some of these categories have been made into 'hidden' categories, and yet they are never in fact 'hidden' since the hidden feature only applies to articles and not categories. So the hidden category always displays on the category screen as 'hidden'--which is obviously a contradiction. I suggest, that category categories not be classified as hidden. When I have tried to remove the hidden classification in such cases, someone always just adds it back in. Without something said in this categorization guideline I have nothing much justify my removal.


Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories




Wikipedia:Categorization Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes Template:Americans WP:BLPCAT WP:LISTPEOPLE

  • 12 to 12 handled by find/replace table; not by module

public public

to fix

to avoid disambiguation pages use: |{{.*dis}}


  • to auto fill edit summary: "I haven't found a way to get autocomplete in IE at https with the current setup on Wikipedia's side. If http is acceptable to you then you can disable "Always use a secure connection when logged in" at Special:Preferences, log out, close IE, start IE again and log in at PrimeHunter (talk) 16:50, 31 August 2013 (UTC)"

it may also be necessary to force the WP address to be http: instead of https:


Reviewer Right Granted[edit]

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If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. The Helpful One 17:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


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Hi Hmains, just wanted to let you know that I have added the autopatrolled right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature should have little to no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! — ξxplicit 21:36, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


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Linking Dates (centuries, decades, years, months, days, etc)[edit]


As always, the content of the linked-to article must provide substantive content to the linked-from article. The MOS decided most dates do not do this. Hmains (talk) 03:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

what links here

filter by name:

  • calendar|day|week|month|year|decade|century|millennium|Showa|Shōwa|Meiji|Taisho|Taishō| in |Other events|(number)|(disambiguation)|Aught-|SO 8601|Timeline|acronyms|initialisms


  • {{Decadebox|{{Year dab|{{Year nav|{{Month header}}|{{Day}}|Category:Days of the year|{{Portal:Current events/Events by month}}|{{Months in the|Eastern Orthodox liturgical days|#REDIRECT|disambig|{{events by month links}}|month category|Months of the|The following events occurred in

Web page has expired[edit]

I follow the directions in the message shown on the screen.

"Click on the Refresh button on the toolbar to reload the page. After refreshing, you might need to navigate to the specific webpage again, or re-enter information."

On my computer I have to remember that "refresh" looks like a circle with an arrow at the top, and it's the fourth of five icons to the right of the URL. I don't even know what the others are. Then a box pops up and I have to click on "retry".— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:04, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


Since you are very active in the project, would you like to be an administrator? Do you need tools to move/delete pages for example? Are you active in WP space, involved in xFDs or something similar? -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:03, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll second Magioladitis here. I think you'd do fantastic as an administrator. The choice is entirely yours, but just know that should you ever submit an RfA, you'll have my support. Kurtis (talk) 03:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks to you both, but I think I would lose interest in WP doing admin things. Hmains (talk) 03:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Understandable. Do whatever you feel comfortable doing, it's not my place to pressure you.
But in the off chance that you ever change your mind, know that I would feel confident in entrusting you with the tools. =) Kurtis (talk) 04:05, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


  • The delinking of dates was exhaustively discussed by WP prior to the current wording of WP:DATELINK and WP:YEARLINK and MOS:UNLINKDATES being agreed upon. Days, months, years, decades, centuries, etc were all included in the long discussion.

WikiProject Cleanup[edit]

Hello, Hmains.

You are invited to join WikiProject Cleanup, a WikiProject and resource for Wikipedia cleanup listings, information and discussion.
To join the project, just add your name to the member list. Northamerica1000(talk) 14:11, 24 February 2013 (UTC)


Whatever it is, this problem has not been fixed and there seems to be no activity by the people responsible for this mess to fix it. Hmains (talk) 02:13, 19 September 2013 (UTC) Hmains

I'm sorry that you're still having this frustrating problem. BJorsch named above the three different places where this problem may be caused: 1.your own computer, 2.the WMF's servers, or 3.a server in between you and the WMF's servers.

Each user is necessarily responsible for cacheing problems that appear in his own browser. Please follow all the steps at WP:BYPASS and let us know if that (hopefully!) solves the problem for you. If the problem is the WMF's caches, then it will likely be fixed relatively soon. If the problem is at a third-party server in between you and the WMF (e.g., on your corporate or university network or your local ISP), then I'm afraid that there is often nothing that either you or we are able to do about it except wait for the third-party server to update its cache. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:53

AWB: mass category creation[edit]

Can AWB create mass categories? E.g. i need to create categories from ”Football clubs established in 1900” to ”Football clubs established in 2020”. Each category must have 2 categories- parents, one stable ”Football clubs establishements by year” and second incrementable ”Establishements in {{year}}", where {{year}} has value from 1900 to 2020, for each new category incrementation +1. Its possible to do that with AWB? XXN (talk) 19:50, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

@XXN:, yes, check out CSV Loader. You will need to file a BRFA and get approval before you start creating the categories. Ganeshk (talk) 22:42, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, but i dont understand how to use your plugin)) I know about bot policy, i will work on, i have already submitted an request for approval. XXN (talk) 23:35, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Please follow the steps in this walk through. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions or run into any issues. Ganeshk (talk) 14:17, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


Hi there. Would you have a moment to look at the discussion on User talk:Thewildone85s talk page? I have no beef with this editor's addition of Category:Unincorporated communities in New Jersey. In fact, when you are searching for a place within a state, and you don't know the county, this is the easiest way to find it. It's the "master list". I support this editor's addition, but I know you are more familiar with the use of this category. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 03:30, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

  • I am not sure what is question. Is something being disputed here? Hmains (talk) 03:39, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes. Thewildone85 has added the parent category "Unincorporated communities in New Jersey" to many New Jersey articles; another editor claims they are "unneeded and inappropriate" and plans to delete them. I think adding both the parent and child is a good edit. The parent serves as a "master list". Magnolia677 (talk) 03:55, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
    • This is the same thing I tried to do but the other editor is the self-created 'owner' of New Jersey articles and categories and will not allow anything to happen to them that he disagrees with. He will fight any and all other editors with all the power that he has and do it continually with threats and ill will until he gets his way. Hmains (talk) 04:01, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
That's one of the reasons I asked you to comment. I'm up to my ears here with this editor, so don't want to get in deeper. I actually support the addition of this category though. When I made hundreds of edits to Mississippi articles last year, it was a huge help having each town listed in the parent category. It really is the only way to have a complete list. Otherwise, you need to search through each county. I know this is your area of expertise, so any help would be appreciated. Magnolia677 (talk) 04:20, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
I think the only way to get change is to get admins involved but from what I see they don't want to be involved either as dealing with this editor would take all their time. Hmains (talk) 04:32, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Sadly, it looks that way. Anyway, nice chatting and thanks for your many great edits. Magnolia677 (talk) 04:45, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of List of state and local political sex scandals in the United States for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of state and local political sex scandals in the United States is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of state and local political sex scandals in the United States until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. NE Ent 22:32, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents discussion[edit]

FYI, I have recently started a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Political scandals in (U.S. States) categories that involves some of your recent edits. If you would like to comment, please do so at that page. --Allen3 talk 12:02, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello. Please see Wikipedia:Categorization#General conventions. Categories are either topic categories, or set categories. Set categories – with set being defenied as "a collection of well defined and distinct objects" – are in plural, and contain only articles that are what the category describes them as. You cannot say that a person is a scandal, so please don't categorize them as such. If we need to categorize people associated with a particular scandal, create a subcategory, like Category:People associated with the Jack Abramoff scandals.
Cheers. HandsomeFella (talk) 12:23, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Please check out carefully whether to add living people to categories which give undue weight to minor offenses like misdemeanors and traffic violations. See WP:BLPCAT for more info. Also, please take part in discussions in which your editing is the subject. Kraxler (talk) 18:21, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Your edits on the Kattegat page[edit]

Hi. You recently categorized the sea of Kattegat as a "landform" of several Swedish counties. Can you explain how a sea can be categorized as a landform? I am afraid I cannot see any connection at all.

BTW. To your information, you misspelled one of the categories on the page.

RhinoMind (talk) 11:33, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Thanks for noticing the misspelling that I have now fixed. The article Landform shows that bodies of water are a type of landform and a sea is a body of water and also thus a landform. In the categories, when where are enough bodies of water to make a body of water sub-category under landforms, then I do so. At the country level, there is always a body of water subcat under the landform category. At the sub-country level (1st level administrative division of a country), there are rarely enough articles to make a subcat for bodies of water so the article get placed in the higher level category: landform while it is also in the body of water category or subcategory at the country level. Thanks. Hmains (talk) 20:49, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Canyons and gorges[edit]

Hi Hmains. I named the categories simply "Gorges of Austria" and "Gorges of Germany" because AFAIK there are no canyons in those countries. In fact, of the 127 articles under "Canyons and gorges of Europe" only 7 are called "X Canyon", all in the Balkans, of which only 2 would appear to justify the name based on book sources. Canyon is primarily a regional (esp US) term (derived from Spanish) and usually applied to very steep sided valleys in arid terrain, which is why it is not really used in most of Europe. For category naming consistency, I'd leave "Canyons and gorges of Europe" as there appear to be one or two canyons, but change the individual country categories to "Gorges of X" except in the one or two cases where the country has a recognised canyon. That avoids potential confusion and using a category half the name of which is redundant. --Bermicourt (talk) 08:41, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

proposed iban, please comment[edit]

given your involvement, please see Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 22:08, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

All I know is that it is impossible to do edits on many New Jersey categories (say, to make them match the rest of the US states), unless Alanshon agrees with them. He creates his own little world and will brook no opposition. He will spend any amount of time necessary to revert other editor's edits, insult and abuse the other editor, and go after that editor to try to make it impossible for him to edit anything in WP. Until Alanshon is stopped, there is no peace and no Admin wants to take on the full time and dangerous task to stop him. Hmains (talk) 03:17, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
If that's true, then suggest a more widely targeted ban. Having edited NJ, I've no had the same problem. MY goal is not partison μηδείς (talk) 03:47, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Until admins are ready to tackle this, I have no interest. I don't come here to fight, just edit as best I can. I voluntarily do not interact. Hmains (talk) 03:49, 17 April 2015 (UTC).

date corruption[edit]

Would you have a quick look at and put the date back a century to 333 BC - I've left the article untouched while you check what happened. I'm assuming this was nothing to do with the bot's code, just finger trouble on the part of the operator. I've looked at some other dates on pages linked from (because it has lots of BC years as well as a link to the corrupted page) and those I've checked are all okay. As far as I can tell, the 333 BC date changed to 233 BC when your bot touched it is the only instance. JohnHarris (talk) 09:29, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Thanks. A table used in my bot was coded incorrectly changing 333 BC to 233 BC. I have now corrected it and corrected the article. Hmains (talk) 05:37, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Regarding your edit of good faith[edit]

I'd say that 'killings' shouldn't be the only word to characterize what happened to the Armenians in 1915. It's important to note that there's much more to the Armenian Genocide than 'killings' (i.e. forced starvation, forced assimilation, psychological harm, deportations, and etc.) The term Armenian Genocide incorporates all these methods of annihilation. The following sentence doesn't say that killings is the sole defining characteristic of genocide either. Also, when you use the word killings, it can be easily rendered not systematic. Denialists love that kind of terminology because they want to shift the blame away from the government and towards random acts of violence. It's best to use keep such terminology away from the article when describing the genocide as a whole. An exception would be to point out specific instances of violence that would describe the killings. Étienne Dolet (talk) 01:34, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

  • Reading the entire heading, everything is included; it just does not have to be repeated in every sentence. The entire article covers the various aspects of the subject. Hmains (talk) 01:37, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

A CFD discussion you may be interested in - Churches/Church buildings[edit]

As a participent in Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 October 17#Category:Churches, you may be interested in knowing that I've just initiated a new CFR discussion to fix the whole tree - Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 May 1#Churches/Church buildings. Feel free to participate there. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 03:41, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

North Frisian Islands categories[edit]

Please note that Category:North Frisian Islands is already included directly or indirectly in the many other categories you keep adding to the article. Per the categorization guideline we do not put pages into a category and its subcategories, but only into the most specific ones. In this case, Category:North Frisian Islands is the most specific category for the lead article, and it should be the only category for the article. Anything else will be redundant. De728631 (talk) 13:14, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

  • Thanks. The number of categories does not matter. What matters is the category structure which may fully or partially exist in each tree at this time. The North Fristian Islands is an archipelago so it properly belongs on archipelago categories. But I have only found one German archipelago so far, not enough for an Category:Archipelagoes of Germany category. If there were an Category:Archipelagoes of Germany, its immediate parents would be Category:Islands of Germany and Category:Landforms of Germany to match the rest of the archipelago categories for the world. So, these parents get used anyway when the needed category Category:Archipelagoes of Germany does not yet exist. Hmains (talk) 01:56, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
    • I found additional archipelagoes and created the necessary category. Hmains (talk) 05:55, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
      • Thank you for establishing the archipelago category, but so far you've been referring to non-diffusing subcategories. These edits [1][2] though are unhelpful imo because the respective subcategories are already included in Category:Islands of Schleswig-Holstein. I think they are plain "diffusive" subcategories whose content should not be duplicated on a higher category level. De728631 (talk) 23:01, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
        • Are you talking about eponymous categories? If so, it is perfectly normal to have both the article and its eponymous category directly in a parent category. And this certainly helps the reader find things using the category structure. Hmains (talk) 04:59, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
          • Yes, I'm also talking about eponymous categories. I don't think I've ever seen any eponymous articles and categories in the same parent category before, or maybe I just didn't care when I noticed such cases. I'm not sure whether it helps the reader find things when the eponymous category appears on top of the parent category page anyway, but now I see that it's not something unusual. Thanks for the explanations, and keep up the good work of sorting and categorizing things. De728631 (talk) 15:56, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Categorization (again)[edit]

Why do you keep on adding Category:Rivers of the Netherlands when they are already in the sub-categories. WP:CAT states: "each categorized page should be placed in all of the most specific categories to which it logically belongs." Stop adding double level categories. -- P 1 9 9   00:43, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

  • In my comments, I referred you to WP:CAT. The specific section is WP:DUPCAT and the ALLincluded template which I placed on the Category:Rivers of Turkey category and which is in common use throughout WP. There is not wrong with my editing. Hmains (talk) 00:49, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
    • There is no practice to make river categories as "Non-diffusing subcategories". You added that template recently, without discussion and consensus. In fact, non-diffusing subcategories" are to an "exception to the general rule". -- P 1 9 9   00:51, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
      • No consensus is needed. It is a simple fact of what non-diffusing means as defined in WP:DUPCAT. And you are confusing the exception with the non-exception and what is allowed and not. Please calm down and re-read carefully. Hmains (talk) 00:56, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
        • Quote: "general rule [is] that pages are not placed in both a category and its subcategory". To deviate from this general rule, you'll need a good reason, like "special characteristic of interest", which just isn't the case here. -- P 1 9 9   01:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
        • The sentence "These are called non-diffusing subcategories. They provide an exception to the general rule that pages are not placed in both a category and its subcategory: there is no need to take pages out of the parent category purely because of their membership of a non-diffusing subcategory" was specifically placed in WP:DUPCAT (not by me) to negate the exact assertion you making. Hmains (talk) 01:04, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
          • Now I think that you are reading it wrong because with that assertion, you could put {{allincluded}} on every category. No, the intent is clearly to make non-diffusing subcategories an exception. -- P 1 9 9   01:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
            • Sorry. I am not reading it wrong as I watched the discussions when this material was placed into WP:DUPCAT. The general idea was when you had subcats breaking out all or mostly all contents, such as rivers by province, you could (without violating any rule) continue to keep all the articles in the rivers category. The reason is that the purpose of categories is to help navigation to articles: some readers are helped by seeing all the river articles together in one place (having no clue or no interest in the provinces)and other readers are looking at the provinces and what to know what rivers are in each province. There is nothing 'wrong' with either set of readers and nothing wrong with having such categorization to support their needs. Hmains (talk) 01:48, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Carpenters Arms and List of pubs named Carpenter Arms in the United Kingdom for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Carpenters Arms and List of pubs named Carpenter Arms in the United Kingdom is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carpenters Arms until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

What is your problem?[edit]

You keep reversing everything that I write, why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derekitou (talkcontribs) 00:59, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

  • There are rules in editing articles; failure to follow the rules results in reverts. I explain each of my reverts, which you can read. Hmains (talk) 02:48, 27 May 2015 (UTC)