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Volusia County, Florida[edit]

I do not understand your obsession with adding so much information about LYNX to the Volusia County page. As presented, there is more information about Lynx now than there is about VOTRAN! Since you added text that is not documented on the LYNX page, perhaps you should add it there first? Gamweb (talk) 07:04, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I made only two small edits to the LYNX information in the Volusia County article's Public Transportation topic, so I'm not sure how that qualifies as an obsession. The LYNX information was initially added not by me, but by on 2009-04-11. Later that day I made an edit to correct grammatical and spelling errors in the Public Transportation topic, and added a cite for the LYNX information; but I did not add content. On 2009-04-16 you removed some of the LYNX content. Later that day, I added some of the content back in that I thought to be of value. The LYNX now consists of three sentences. The reason I thought this limited information on one LYNX route has value is that the route is an important public transportation link between Volusia County and the nearest large city, Orlando, so it may be of interest to those seeking information on public transportation to and from the County (as opposed to just within the County). I am not interested in LYNX as a topic itself, so I do not plan to edit the LYNX article. Hopefully you now understand the reasoning behind my two small edits. hulmem (talk) 00:11, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Finger licken good[edit]

Thanks for the advice.

And the commentary was a download from to celebrate their re-release of Check your head. You can download it yourself if you want. --KMFDM FAN (talk!) 00:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

To our newest Rollbacker[edit]


I have just granted you rollback rights because I believe you to be trustworthy, and because you have a history of reverting vandalism and have given in the past or are trusted in the future to give appropriate warnings. Please have a read over WP:ROLLBACK and remember that rollback is only for use against obvious vandalism. Please use it that way (it can be taken away by any admin at a moment's notice). You may want to consider adding {{Rollback}} and {{User rollback}} to your userpage. Any questions, please drop me a line. Best of luck and thanks for volunteering! Smiley.svg wadester16 05:47, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Start dates[edit]

Please read up on the WP:AIRPORTS guidelines. Unless the start date is 13 or more months from the current date, the year is assumed. As AA IAD-SJU begins next month..."Begins November 19" is good enough. Snoozlepet (talk) 00:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Cynthia Weil[edit]

I saw you applied a broader tag to this article. The article is entirely unsourced and well below Wikipedia standards. I believe it merits speedy deletion unless it is shored up a bit. I welcome your opinion. Best Regards I am the Botendaddy 12:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Let me see if I can find some sources - I think she is a notable person. hulmem (talk) 21:34, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Nice to see this little exchange, five months old now. I learned of Ms. Weil only two days ago, with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame honor (which makes your Oct. comment prescient, or at least well-informed); and I was led to do some work on the article. Then you checked back in over there, tuned a bit more. So today, looking back, I decided to stroll over here to see your story. (Nice for me not to have had any major reversals. Then additionally nice to see this comment.)
One follow-up: I had decided, in the process of my work, to leave the nephew's follow-on (we have to assume) career, given he's now prob. out of Wiki for the while completely; but I can see your point. Another: Don't know if you watch the "page view statistics", but CWeil spiked 4X on the 16th. Ellie Greenwich, with whom I followed about the same path as reviewed here re: Ms. Weil, also on the 16th, spiked 7X that day. (Stats can be tracked off the link, upper-right, on an article's "history" page.) I like it (all). ... Cheers. Swliv (talk) 20:15, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Silly Putty Edit[edit]

I wanted to state that I removed "inorganic" from the definition of the compound Silly Putty for 2 reasons, 1) no cite provided that it is inorganic 2) the compound is actually both organic and inorganic in nature so it is misleading to label either organic or inorganic. You put me on notice for adding material without a cite, when I in fact removed material that did not have a cite. It is more accurate just to keep it as a "Polymer" (Note that I did not label it "Organic"). EricSGrow (talk) 04:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


Re: your recent comments at User talk:Levineps; note that the question is now being considered here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:35, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Jerry Scheff[edit]

Good morning. Are you disputing that Lauren Scheff is Jerry Scheff's son? The whole thing is incredibly bizarre. For years, Lauren was listed as his son, and Jason acknowledged him as his brother on various web sites. Dawayne Bailey also refers to him as such. Suddenly, there was some campaign to remove these references. Do you know what happened? If there was some family falling out, that's none of our business and we should still list him as a sibling. --Andy Walsh (talk) 15:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I am not aware of anything nefarious going on. I am not disputing that Lauren Scheff is Jerry Scheff's son; I have no knowledge of whether or not that statement is true. There simply have been no citations for these statements when they have been added to the article. Citations are required for all article content (see WP:CITE, but especially for biographies of living persons (see WP:BLP. So if you can cite reliable sources for the statements, please add the statements to the article with citations. --hulmem (talk) 22:41, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Well an IP removed it again. I'm stymied. I re-read the source, and it's possible that Lauren is Jason and Darin's brother (that much is clear) but not Jerry's son (ie different father). I guess I'll leave it out for now until I find a clear source. --Andy Walsh (talk) 15:19, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Hal Blaine is back[edit]

We did some Hal Blaine stuff a while back. I am still hard at work on his career and recently set up a category that is now up for deletion. I just received the following message:

I have nominated Category:Hal Blaine Strikes Again (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. BrownHairedGirl (talk)

Please think it over. Thanks, Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 23:17, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up at the list link, which will no doubt need work too. Life is good. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC) - PS I have no idea where this tiny font is coming from. I'm an old guy - I need BIG font, but . . ....
  • Sure, I may get around to doing such a list for Joe Osborn. It one point there was a list in the Osborn article itself, but someone deleted the list from the article; so at least I can go back to the article history for a starting point. It is likely that Blaine played on nearly all of those songs, although Earl Palmer or Jim Gordon probably played on a small number. --hulmem (talk) 16:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
  • BrownHairedGirl's signature had a "small" start tag but no "small" end tag. Problem solved. --hulmem (talk) 16:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

thumb|111px|right Here is my reference for writing that Hal played on No Matter What Shape Your Stomach Is In. Please mull it over and act accordingly. I am interested in continuing the list but not if it involves too much back tracking. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 00:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I knew you had a reference when you started the list, but I thought someone else added that song and it conflicted with the sketchy info on allmusic. I added it back in. I generally would only revert something if I can't find anything to substantiate it, and in this case I had found something that potentially conflicted. But the book you cited trumps that. Is the book good? I don't have it and the 3rd edition comes out March 15. --hulmem (talk) 02:01, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

The book is (opinion) a must for any serious student of the LA session scene. And since you actually care about this stuff I'm guessing that this would include you. It is unfortunate that Joe Osborn never wrote such a work. Others such as Tommy Tedesco's book are sort of disappointing. For drums (which is my main area of interest) The Big Beat by Max Weinberg is another must. But as you know, mostly ifno is gained one song or album at a time. Carptrash (talk) 02:56, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Non Free Files in your User Space[edit]

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Musician Guide[edit]

I had the Musician Guide site turned down at Talk:Shenandoah_(band)/GA1 as unreliable. It was also turned down here (the grey "issues resolved" tab) and here as unreliable. Furthermore, we don't know who can contribute to the site; what their credentials are; who's editing it, if anyone; or anything at all about the site. I tracked it down with Domain Tools and it's apparently hosted out of a household in Urbana, Illinois and the owner has a Gmail address. Given the lack of editorial policy, as well as the fact that it was shot down as unreliable in two FA discussions and one GA discussion, there seems to be a slight consensus that it's indeed unreliable. If you want, be bold and see if you can find another source that verifies the info more reliably. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many ottersOne batOne hammer) 05:11, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I guess I don't see how it is appropriate to remove the potentially questionable citation without removing the article text sourced from the cited reference — because that text would also be questionable. Now you have text that is uncited; at least if someone questioned the text, with the cite still included they could see where the information came from. I think the far better thing to do would be to first find a reliable source and update the article text if the reliable source calls into question information from the "bad" source; then remove the cite for the questionable source. --hulmem (talk) 06:08, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

The Four Aces[edit]

you know, mike, i just read your "warnings" on my posting about the four aces. if you knew anything, you'd realize that these are not my views, but the views of a majority of people who know anything about what happened with this law suit. so you can ban me or do whatever the hell you'd like, but i just wanted to remind you of the facts. and no, i don't have a reference for your little website. must feel good having all the "power," eh? have fun with that. pathetic... —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:50, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not an administrator; I'm just an editor like you, so I have no power and this is not my little website! You are correct that I don't know anything about The Four Aces. However, I do understand Wikipedia editing guidelines. I added the notices and just added the welcome at the top of your page to help you understand Wikipedia editing guidelines. I'm sure you are trying to make good faith edits and I sincerely hope you continue to edit Wikipedia articles following the guidelines. -- hulmem (talk) 02:01, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Point of topic. Recently without a user name, I edited the Department Of Motor Vehicles page to reflect "the fact" that it is a Corperation. I left factual citation. It isn't my fault if you do not read the citation and understand it. It was the Department of motor vehicles. Not just a company with the same initials. If you look up the Corperate Headquarters Of the DMV On Dunn & Bradstreet, the number one world excepted source on Corperate information. It is the same as the Sacremento Department Of Moter Vehicles. [1][2] There is the Dunn & Bradstreet Listing refference, the yellow pages listing for the California DMV headquarters, as an example of a corelating address & the wikipedia page confirming the status of the D&B as the number source of information on this subject![3].

You may not agree, but it is a fact, the goverment sub agency as you are trying to call it, is in fact a Corperation. Not exactly a government agency, like NASA. Please in the future, before you edit pages, just because you think the people that made the edit are completely stupid, remember that doesn't make it so. Bother to look at and properly soak in the information first please! To leave out the fact that the DMV is a corperation in every state in the US but two. Is a travisty. Regardless of what laws made it so, this is the case. How many more accurate refferences should I include, 200? Because I can. There are over a dozen websites out there that are dedicated to this point. All with citations and refferences. Dig? In fact, issues like this, are the reason why Democratic Encyclopedias may in fact fail. The masses do not always know or understand the truth, they just think they do based on commonly excepted falsehoods, like "I have to pay my income taxes". In the U.S. there is no legal bases for this[4]. Same thing with the DMV, it is a Corperation, not an actual state government agency. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegooddoctorisin (talkcontribs) 06:38, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Cass and Moon[edit]

Hi Mike - I see you reinstated the Keith Moon coincidence stuff on Cass Elliot. Not going to edit war, so I left a comment on Talk with my reasoning for removing it - we can talk about it over there. (And by the way, I agree with you about Brian Wilson.) Cheers Tvoz/talk 07:21, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

About citation on Gio Wiederhold article[edit]

Here some important articles (<5%) who mention «Mediator in the architecture of future information systems» as fundamental.


GroupLens: An Open Architecture for Collaborative Filtering of Netnewsby Paul Resnick, Neophytos Iacovou, Mitesh Suchak, Peter Bergstrom, John Riedl — 1994

Object exchange across heterogeneous information sources by Yannis Papakonstantinou, Hector Garcia-molina, Jennifer Widom — 1995 — INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON DATA ENGINEERING

The TSIMMIS Project: Integration of Heterogeneous Information Sources by Sudarshan Chawathe, Hector Garcia-Molina, Joachim Hammer, Kelly Ireland, Yannis Papakonstantinou, Jeffrey Ullman, Jennifer Widom

Software Agents by Michael R. Genesereth, Steven P. Ketchpel — 1994 — Communications of the ACM

Information integration using logical views by Jeffrey D. Ullman — 1997

TSIMMIS Approach to Mediation: Data Models and Languages by Hector Garcia-molina, Yannis Papakonstantinou, Dallan Quass, Yehoshua Sagiv, Jeffrey Ullman, Vasilis Vassalos, Jennifer Widom — 1997 —Journal of Intelligent Information Systems

Answering Queries Using Views: A Survey by Alon Y. Halevy — 2000

PROMPT: Algorithm and Tool for Automated Ontology Merging and Alignment by Natalya Fridman Noy, Mark A. Musen — 2000

Software agents: An overview by Hyacinth S. Nwana — 1996 — Knowledge Engineering Review

EDUTELLA: A P2P Networking Infrastructure Based on RDF by Wolfgang Nejdl, Boris Wolf, Changtao Qu, Stefan Decker, Michael Sintek Ambjörn Naeve, Mikael Nilsson, Matthias Palmer, Tore Risch — 2001

Supporting Multiple Access Control Policies in Database Systems by Elisa Bertino, Sushil Jajodia, Pierangela Samarati — 1996 — ACM Transactions on Database Systems

Query Caching and Optimization in Distributed Mediator Systems by S. Adali, K. S. Candan, Y. Papakonstantinou, V. S. Subrahmanian — 1996 — In Proc. of ACM SIGMOD Conf. on Management of Data

Using semantic values to facilitate interoperability among heterogeneous information systems by Edward Sciore, Michael Siegel, Arnon Rosenthal — 1994 — ACM Transactions on Database Systems

Object fusion in mediator systems by Yannis Papakonstantinou, Serge Abiteboul, Hector Garcia-molina — 1996 — INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON VERY LARGE DATA BASES

Context Interchange: New Features and Formalisms for the Intelligent Integration of Information by Cheng Hian Goh — 1997 — ACM Transactions on Information Systems

A Query Translation Scheme for Rapid Implementation of Wrappers by Yannis Papakonstantinou, Ashish Gupta, Hector Garcia-molina, Jeffrey Ullman — 1995

MedMaker: A Mediation System Based on Declarative Specifications by Yannis Papakonstantinou, Hector Garcia-molina, Jeffrey Ullman — 1996 — INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON DATA ENGINEERING

SilkRoute: Trading between Relations and XML by Mary Fernández, Wang-Chiew Tan, Dan Suciu — 1999

Semi-automatic Wrapper Generation for Internet Information Sources by Naveen Ashish, Craig Knoblock — 1997 — In Conference on Cooperative Information Systems

Super-Peer-Based Routing and Clustering Strategies for RDF-Based Peer-to-Peer Networks by Wolfgang Nejdl, Martin Wolpers, Wolf Siberski, Christoph Schmitz, Mario Schlosser, Ingo Brunkhorst, Alexander Löser — 2002

A Framework for Supporting Data Integration Using the Materialized and Virtual Approaches by Richard Hull, Gang Zhou — 1996

XML-Based Information Mediation with MIX by Chaitanya Baru, Amarnath Gupta, Bertram Ludäscher, Richard Marciano, Yannis Papakonstantinou, Pavel Velikhov — 1999

Data Cleaning: Problems and Current Approachesby Erhard Rahm, Hong Hai Do — 2000 — IEEE Data Engineering Bulletin

Multimedia Database Systems by Sherry Marcus, V. S. Subrahmanian — 1993 — Journal of the ACM

The Chatty Web: Emergent Semantics Through Gossiping by Karl Aberer, Philippe Cudré-Mauroux, Manfred Hauswirth — 2003

Cartel: a distributed mobile sensor computing system by Bret Hull, Vladimir Bychkovsky, Yang Zhang, Kevin Chen, Michel Goraczko, Allen Miu, Eugene Shih, Hari Balakrishnan, Samuel Madden — 2006 — In 4th ACM

SenSys Composing Mappings among Data Sources by Jayant Madhavan, Alon Y. Halevy — 2003 — In VLDB

Quality-driven Integration of Heterogeneous Information Systems by Felix Naumann, Ulf Leser, Johann-Christoph Freytag — 1999 — In VLDB Conference

SHOE: A Knowledge Representation Language for Internet Applications by Jeff Heflin, James Hendler, Sean Luke — 1999

Category translation: learning to understand information on the internet by Mike Perkowitz, Oren Etzioni — 1995 — In Proc. 15th International Joint Conference on AI

Information Integration: Conceptual Modeling and Reasoning Support by Diego Calvanese, Giuseppe De Giacomo, Maurizio Lenzerini, Daniele Nardi, Riccardo Rosati — 1998 — In Proc. of the 6th Int. Conf. on Cooperative Information Systems (CoopIS’98)

Scaling access to heterogeneous data sources with DISCO by Anthony Tomasic, Louiqa Raschid, Patrick Valduriez — 1998 — IEEE Transactions on Knowledge and Data Engineering

The MOMIS approach to Information Integration by Domenico Beneventano, Sonia Bergamaschi, Francesco Guerra, Maurizio Vincini — 2001

Loading Data into Description Reasoners by Alex Borgida, Ronald J. Brachman — 1993

Integrating and Accessing Heterogeneous Information Sources in TSIMMIS by Hector Garcia-Molina, Joachim Hammer, Kelly Ireland, Yannis Papakonstantinou, Jeffrey Ullman, Jennifer Widom — 1995 — In Proceedings of the AAAI Symposium on Information Gathering

Multiagent Systems and Societies of Agents by Michael N. Huhns, Larry M. Stephens — 1999

Procedure Calls Are the Assembly Language of Software Interconnection: Connectors Deserve First-Class Status by Mary Shaw — 1994

DATA INTEGRATION IN DATA WAREHOUSING by Diego Calvanese, Giuseppe De Giacomo, Maurizio Lenzerini, Daniele Nardi, Riccardo Rosati — 2001

CoBase: A Scalable and Extensible Cooperative Information System by Wesley W. Chu, Hua Yang, Kuorong Chiang, Michael Minock, Gladys Chow, Chris Larson, Gio Wiederhold — 1996

Answering Queries Using Views: A Survey by Alon Y. Levy — 2001 — VLDB Journal

Structured Development of Problem Solving Methods by Dieter Fensel, Enrico Motta — 2001 — IEEE Transactions on Knowledge and Data Engineering

Distributed First Order Logics by C. Ghidini, L. Serafini — 1998

Mind Your Vocabulary: Query Mapping Across Heterogeneous Information Sources by Chen-chuan K. Chang, Héctor García-Molina — 1999

Building Intelligent Web Applications Using Lightweight Wrappers by Arnaud Sahuguet, Fabien Azavant — 2000

K2Kleisli and GUS: Experiments in Integrated Access to Genomic Data Sources by Susan B. Davidson, Jonathan Crabtree, Brian Brunk, Jonathan Schug, Val Tannen, Chris Overton, Chris Stoeckert — 2001 — IBM Systems Journal

Toward Autonomic Web Services Trust and Selection by E. Michael Maximilien, Munindar P. Singh — 2004

Mobile Wireless Computing: Solutions and Challenges in Data Management by Tomasz Imielinski, B. R. Badrinath — 1993 — Communications of the ACM

Architecture and Quality in Data Warehouses: an Extended Repository Approach by Matthias Jarke, Manfred Jeusfeld, Christoph Quix, Panos Vassiliadis — 1999

Ontology-based integration of XML Web resources by Bernd Amann, Catriel Beeri, Irini Fundulaki, Michel Scholl — 2002 — In Proc. International Semantic Web Conference 2002

Capability Based Mediation in TSIMMIS by Chen Li, Ramana Yerneni, Vasilis Vassalos, Hector Garcia-molina, Yannis Papakonstantinou, Jeffrey Ullman, Murty Valiveti — 1998 — In Proc. of ACM SIGMOD

Liquid Software: A New Paradigm for Networked Systems by John Hartman, Udi Manber, Larry Peterson, Todd Proebsting — 1996

A Conceptual Architecture for Semantic Web Enabled Web Services by Christoph Bussler, Dieter Fensel — 2002 — SIGMOD Record

Computing Capabilities of Mediators by Ramana Yerneni, Chen Li, Hector Garcia-Molina, Jeffrey Ullman EDUTELLA: Searching and Annotating Resources within an RDF-based P2P Network by Wolfgang Nejdl, Boris Wolf, Steffen Staab, Julien Tane — 2001

Generic Model Management: Concepts and Algorithms by Sergey Melnik — 2003 — PH.D. THESIS

The KRAFT Architecture for Knowledge Fusion and Transformation by Alun Preece, Kit Hui, Alex Gray, Philippe Marti, Trevor Bench-Capon, Dean Jones, Zhan Cui — 1999

Ontology-Based Configuration of Problem-Solving Methods and Generation of Knowledge-Acquisition Tools: Application of PROTG-II to Protocol-Based Decision Support by Samson W. Tu, Henrik Eriksson, John Gennari, Yuval Shahar, Mark A. Musen

Representing and reasoning about semantic conflicts in heterogeneous information systems by Cheng Hian Goh — 1997

A Distributed and Anonymous Knowledge Sharing Approach to Software Interoperation by Michael Genesereth, Narinder P. Singh, Mustafa A. Syed — 1994 — International Journal of Cooperative Information Systems

Ozone: Integrating Structured and Semistructured Data by Tirthankar Lahiri, Serge Abiteboul, Jennifer Widom — 2000

Formal Methods in DAI: Logic-Based Representation and Reasoning by Munindar P. Singh, et al.

Optimizing Large Join Queries in Mediation Systems by Ramana Yerneni, Chen Li, Jeffrey Ullman, Hector Garcia-molina — 1999 — International Conference on Database Theory

MetaMorph: An Adaptive Agent-Based Architecture for Intelligent Manufacturing by Francisco Maturana, Weiming Shen, Douglas H. Norrie — 1999 — International Journal of Production Research

Multiple View Consistency for Data Warehousing by Yue Zhuge, Janet L. Wiener, Hector Garcia-molina — 1997 — in Proceedings of IEEE International Conference on Data Engineering

An Equational Chase for Path-Conjunctive Queries, Constraints, and Views by Lucian Popa, Val Tannen — 1999 — In ICDT

Physical Data Independence, Constraints, and Optimization With Universal Plans by Alin Deutsch, Lucian Popa, Val Tannen — 1999 — In VLDB

Distributed Data Integration By Object-Oriented Mediator Servers by Tore Risch, Vanja Josifovski — 2001

Enhancing Semistructured Data Mediators with Document Type Definitions by Yannis Papakonstantinou, Pavel Velikhov — 1999

Advanced Video Information System: Data Structures and Query Processing by Sibel Adali, Kasim S. Candan, Kasim S. C, Su-shing Chen, Kutluhan Erol, V. S. Subrahmanian — 1996 — Multimedia Systems

The OO-Method approach for information systems modeling: from object-oriented conceptual modeling to automated programming by Oscar Pastor, Jaime Gomez, Emilio Insfran, Vicente Pelechano — 2001

Automatic Migration and Wrapping of Database Applications - a Schema Transformation Approach by Peter McBrien, Peter M, Alexandra Poulovassilis — 1999

Start making sense: The Chatty Web approach for global semantic agreements by Karl Aberer, Philippe Cudré-Mauroux, Manfred Hauswirth — 2003 — Journal of Web Semantics

An Adaptive Approach to Query Mediation across Heterogeneous Information Sources by Ling Liu, Calton Pu, Yooshin Lee — 1996

Defining Peer-to-Peer Data Integration Using Both as View Rules by Peter McBrien, Alexandra Poulovassilis, Ra Poulovassilis — 2004

Predicate Rewriting for Translating Boolean Queries in a Heterogeneous Information System by Chen-chuan K. Chang, Hector Garcia-Molina, Name Chen-chuan, K. Chang, Name Hector Garca-molina, Andreas Paepcke, Andreas Paepcke — 1996

The Distributed Interoperable Object Model and Its Application to Large-scale Interoperable Database Systems by Ling Liu, Calton Pu — 1995 — In ACM International Conference on Information and Knowledge Management.

Semantic Overlay Clusters within Super-Peer Networks by Alexander Löser, Er Löser, Felix Naumann, Wolf Siberski, Wolfgang Nejdl, Uwe Thaden — 2003 — In: Proceedings of the International Workshop on Databases, Information Systems and Peer-to-Peer Computing, 2003 (DBISP2P 03).

Knowledge-Based Integration of Neuroscience Data Sources by Amarnath Gupta, Bertram Ludascher, Maryann E. Martone — 2000

Query Planning with Limited Source Capabilities by Chen Li, Edward Chang — 1999 — International Conference on Data Engineering

Integrating Heterogeneous Overlapping Databases Through Object-Oriented Transformations by Vanja Josifovski, Tore Risch — 1999

Mediating Among Diverse Data Formats by John Ockerbloom, William L. Scherlis, Jeannette Wing — 1998

Multiagent System Engineering: the Coordination Viewpoint by Paolo Ciancarini, Andrea Omicini, Franco Zambonelli — 1999

On Answering Queries in the Presence of Limited Access Patterns by Chen Li, Edward Chang — 2001 — In Proc. of ICDT 2001

Expressive Capabilities Description Languages and Query Rewriting Algorithms by Vasilis Vassalos, Yannis Papakonstantinou — Journal of Logic Programming

Ontologies in Support of Problem Solving by Monica Crubézy, Mark A. Musen — 2003 — HANDBOOK ON ONTOLOGIES

An Adaptive Object-oriented Approach to Integration and Access of Heterogeneous Information Sources by Ling Liu, Calton Pu — 1997 — DISTRIBUTED AND PARALLEL DATABASES: AN INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL

The Search Broker by Udi Manber, Peter A. Bigot — 1997

USENIX Symposium on Internet Technologies and SystemsLogic And Algebraic Languages For Interoperability In Multidatabase Systems by Laks V. S. Lakshmanan, Fereidoon Sadri, Iyer N. Subramanian — 1997

Information Integration in Schema-Based Peer-To-Peer Networks by Alexander Löser, Er Löser, Wolf Siberski, Martin Wolpers, Wolfgang Nejdl — 2003 — In Proceedings of the 15th International Conference of

An Ontology-based Broker: Making Problem-Solving Method Reuse Work by Dieter Fensel — 1997 — In Proc. of the IJCAI-97 Workshop on Problem-Solving Methods for Knowledge-Based Systems

Flexible and Scalable Cost-Based Query Planning in Mediators: A Transformational Approach by José Luis Ambite, Craig A. Knoblock — 2000 — Artificial Intelligence Journal

A Case for Staged Database Systems by Stavros Harizopoulos, Anastassia Ailamaki — 2003 — In Proceedings of 1st Conference on Innovative Data Systems Research

Adding Conflict Resolution Features to a Query Language for Database Federations by Kai-Uwe Sattler, Stefan Conrad, Gunter Saake — 2000 — AUSTRALIAN JOURNAL OF INFORMATION SYSTEMS

Learning Response Time for WebSources using Query Feedback and Application in Query Optimization by Jean-robert Gruser, Louiqa Raschid, Vladimir Zadorozhny — 1999 — VLDB Journal

Context knowledge representation and reasoning by Stephane Bressan, Cheng Goh, Natalia Levina, Stuart Madnick, Ahmed Shah, Michael Siegel — 2000 — in the Context Interchange System” , Applied Intelligence: The International Journal of Artificial Intelligence, Neutral Networks, and Complex Problem-Solving Technologies, Vol 12, Number 2

Composing Pervasive Data Using iQL by Norman H. Cohen, Hui Lei, Paul Castro, John S. Davis Ii, Apratim Purakayastha — 2002 — In Proceedings of the Fourth IEEE Workshop on Mobile Computing Systems and Applications

On implementing a language for specifying active database execution models by Shahram Gh, Ltichard Hull, Dean Jacobs, Jaime Castillo, Martha Escobar-molano, Shih-hui Lu, Junhui Luo, Chiu Tsang, Gang Zhou — 1993 — Models, Procs. Int. Conf. on Very Large Databases

Information Brokering across Heterogeneous Digital Data: A Metadata-based Approach by Vipul Kashyap, Amit Sheth — 2000

Context Interchange: Sharing the Meaning of Data by Michael Siegel — 1991 — SIGMOD record

Managing heterogeneous transaction workflows with cooperating agents by Michael N. Huhns, Munindar P. Singh — 1998 — In N.R. Jennings and M. Wooldridge, (eds). Agent Technology: Foundations, Applications and Markets. Springer-Verlag

Providing Security and Interoperation of Heterogeneous Systems by Steven Dawson, Shelly Qian, Vijay Atluri — 1998 — Distributed and Parallel Databases

Overview of a prolog implementation of the context interchange mediator by Stéphane Bressan, Kofi Fynn, Cheng Hian, Goh Stuart, E. Madnick, Tito Pena, Michael D. Siegel — 1997 — Proc. of the Intl. Conf. on Practical Applications of Prolog

Semantic Interoperation Via Intelligent Mediation by Xiaolei Qian — 1993 — In Proceedings of the Third International Workshop on Research Issues in Data Engineering: Interoperability in Multidatabase Systems

Ontology reconciliation by Adil Hameed, Alun Preece, Derek Sleeman — 2004 — Handbook of ontologies, International handbooks on information systems, chapter 12

Intelligent Visualization and Exploration of Time-Oriented Clinical Data by Yuval Shahar, Cleve Cheng — 1999 — Topics in Health Information Management

Global information management via local autonomous agents by Michael N. Huhns, Munindar P. Singh, Tomasz Ksiezyk — 1994 — In Proceedings of the 13th International Workshop on Distributed Artificial Intelligence

Token-Templates and Logic Programs for Intelligent Web Search by Bernd Thomas — 2000 — March-June 2000. Special Issue: Methodologies for Intelligent Information Systems

Functional Data Integration in a Distributed Mediator System by Tore Risch, Vanja Josifovski, Timour Katchaounov — 2003

A Logical Semantics for Object-Oriented Databases by Jos'e Meseguer, Xiaolei Qian — 1993 — In Proc. International SIGMOD Conference on Management of Data

Applying Agents to Bioinformatics in GeneWeaver by K. Bryson, M. Luck, M. Joy, D. T. Jones — 2000

A Hybrid Agent-Oriented Infrastructure for Modeling Manufacturing Enterprises by Weiming Shen, Douglas H. Norrie — 1998 — In Proceedings of the Knowledge Acquisition Workshop

Semantics-based Information Brokeringby Vipul Kashyap, Amit Sheth — 1994 — In Proceedings of the Third International Conference on Information and Knowledge Management (CIKM)

Transactional Coordination Agents for Composite Systems by Heiko Schuldt, Hans-Jörg Schek, Gustavo Alonso — 1999 — In Proceedings of the 3 rd International Database Engineering and Applications Symposium(IDEAS'99)

Model-Based Visualization of Temporal Abstractions by Yuval Shahar, Cleve Cheng — 1998

BQ: A Visual Interface for Integrated Browsing and Querying of XML by Kevin D. Munroe, Yannis Papakonstantinou — 2000

Integrating GIS and Imagery through XML-based Information Mediation by Amarnath Gupta, Richard Marciano, Ilya Zaslavsky, Chaitanya Baru — 1999 — In P. Agouris and A. Stefanidis (Eds.) Integrated Spatial Databases: Digital Images and GIS, Lecture Notes in Computer Science

An Agent-Based Manufacturing Enterprise Infrastructure for Distributed Integrated Intelligent Manufacturing Systems by Weiming Shen, Deyi Xue, Douglas H. Norrie — 1998 — IN PROCEEDINGS THE PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF INTELLIGENT AGENTS AND MULTI-AGENT SYSTEMS —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to copy and paste this information, but I am struggling to understand why you did it and what you mean by it. I assume you are writing in response my edit to Service oriented architecture that removed the statement, "This [Service oriented] architecture has been created by Gio Wiederhold..."; but your information above seems to provide no basis that Gio Wiederhold created SOA.

First, read the Gio Wiederhold Paper, second, search comparable previous (in date) other paper.

I have questions about your opening statement, "Here some important articles (<5%) who [sic] mention «Mediator in the architecture of future information systems» as fundamental."
  1. Every one of these articles is important? Yes!

What makes them important? The science motor is the peer recognition.

  1. Every one of these articles contains the statement "Mediator in the architecture of future information systems is fundamental" or something to that effect? No one exist without it (or in it's current form like Software Agents).
  1. Less than five percent of what? Less than 5% of important articles that mention Mediator in the architecture of future information systems as fundamental? Yes, in importance order

Are there really 20 times this many articles that mention Mediator in the architecture of future information systems as fundamental? Yes, this is the rule of the citation in science.

  1. What do you mean by "fundamental" in this context? In general, no one exist without it.

So what if there are articles that mention "Mediator in the architecture of future information systems as fundamental"? Without research in this field and industry product created in response of the result of the research, SOA don't exists.

What does "fundamental" have to do with creating SOA? My edit to the article removed the statement, "This [Service oriented] architecture has been created by Gio Wiederhold..." The sentence had a cited reference, but I don't beleive the cited reference states that Gio Wiederhold created SOA. Even if it did, the cited reference was written by Wiederhold and is therefore a primary source, which needs a secondary source as verification (see WP:PSTS). —hulmem (talk) 04:53, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


For the Exposé article I have added another source from a Billboard book written and researched by Fred Bronson that makes it clear all 3 original singers were fired. Do not remove my sources again please. Billboard IS a WP:reliable source that pretty much backs up People. Caden cool 00:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for coming up with a more reliable source (Billboard) and for correcting your original edit to reflect the statements in the reliable source. The Billboard article does not back up the People article; it contradicts it (People says two were fired and one quit whereas Billboard says all three were fired). There is no merit to citing an unreliable source and then trying to find a reliable source to back it up — just use the reliable source. I read the cited People article and it is not written in a journalistic or factual style; it is written in a gossipy and opinionated style. I will continue to remove statements referenced from unreliable sources and the citations to the unreliable sources in accordance with WP:SOURCES and in this case WP:BLP. If you have not done so already I strongly recommend you read and become familiar with WP:SOURCE.
For the Exposé article, I suggest you consider removing the contradicting and unreliable People reference and letting the Billboard reference stand on its own.
Also, for future reference, you can reduce reference clutter when citing the same source multiple times by naming the reference and then using the named reference in subsequent occurrences as described at WP:REFNAME.
hulmem (talk) 01:32, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
The Fred Bronson Billboard book of Number One Hits supports the People article in regards to the personnel having changed during the recording of the group's debut album. It again supports the article concerning the group's hit songs as well as other things. However, you're correct, both sources differ slightly in terms of how many members were fired. But that's not a problem. I've made it clear in the article to show readers that both sources contradict eachother. The readers can decide for themselves what they want to believe. There are also no BLP issues. People did not give the names of the original singers who were fired. But Billboard did the exact opposite by naming all 3 of the original girls and stating that they were fired. On a side-note, I disagree with you over People magazine. It's reliable in my opinion. This magazine has been in business for 36 years, it has covered major stories, covered major wars, world events, and interviewed many public figures. I've seen the magazine used in dozens of articles as a source and I have never heard from any editor that it is considered unreliable. If this magazine is good enough to be listed as a source in The Readers' Guide to Periodical Literature, then it's good enough for me and wikipedia. Caden cool 20:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
The latest headlines from the People web site: "Gabourey Sidibe's New Celeb Crush – No, Not Justin Timberlake!" — "Kirk Was 'Bruised and Banged Up' After the Bachelorette Update" — "Report: Paris Hilton Busted at Airport with Pot in Her Purse" — "Courtney Love's Daughter Reveals Her Dark, Ghoulish Art" — "All the Details of Carrie's Two Custom Wedding Dresses" — "Oksana Grigorieva Leans on Her Ex Timothy Dalton for Support" — "Ali Fedotowsky: Ending Up Alone Is a 'Strong Possibility'" — "Mel & Oksana: Why Their Custody Battle Went Nuclear". So hopefully you can see that an editor might consider People to be written in a gossipy, opinionated, and sensationalist style, not a particularly reliable source for citing facts, and therefore not well suited as a reference in Wikipedia. I'm not saying everything in People is wrong, but that any "facts" in People may or may not be correct and therefore should not be assumed to be correct. I can see that I'm not likely to convince you that it is not a reliable source and of course you are not going to convince me it is a reliable source. But I guess you will no longer be able to say that you "have never heard from any editor that it [People] is considered unreliable." Thanks for taking the time to discuss. --hulmem (talk) 02:16, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

"Misleading"? (and a few hopeful thoughts)[edit]

Say now, your choice of words implies that I am deliberately trying to fool people in the Beach Boys article. "Misleading?" Kinda harsh there, bro. As an established Wikipedian who enjoys the Beach Boys and has done a fair amount of work on a couple bandmember's pages, I find myself taken aback by your choice of terms.

That said, I thank you for the additional material you brought to the section. The Las Vegas Sun material re: Brian Wilson had escaped my notice.

I think the article could use some additional work, as could all the bandmembers' pages (last I looked.) I'd be happy to edit with you further on them as possible. Best wishes, Jusdafax 00:41, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

My words certainly do not imply that you were deliberately trying to fool people, but apparently you mistakenly inferred that. I didn't know or assume your motives. If anything, I assumed you were making good faith edits and it was not your intent to mislead. I didn't say you (the author of the edit) were misleading, but that the text was misleading. I try to avoid taking comments by editors on text I edited as commentary on me personally.
The statement, "There was no reported confirmation from Wilson's manager" is quite different from the statement in the article, "Brian Wilson's manager, Jean Sievers, says she's unfamiliar with reunion plans". Perhaps you were just trying to paraphrase or draw a conclusion. Although the use of the word "unfamiliar" seems to me a little ambiguous in this context, I would think that Wilson's manager would know of any reunion plans and that if she is unfamiliar with any plans it is not likely there are any. The fact that Love made a similar statement a month ago but then completely backed down makes this whole section dubious in my view, although I would certainly like a reunion concert to happen (especially if it is a free concert on the National Mall near where I live).
I enjoy the Beach Boys as well, especially Brian Wilson's work, and would be glad to help with the Beach Boys and band member articles (well, except maybe Love's). I really appreciate all the good work you've done editing the articles. —hulmem (talk) 02:47, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough, and it is clear I misunderstood your intent. Obviously if there is any consensus to pull the section, then that's that. It's a bit edgy, but I still think it falls on the right side of "the line". The articles I worked hard on were Brian's and Davis Marks', though the Marks article got mangled afterwards. Let's talk further! Jusdafax 06:49, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

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Hi. I'm sorry I didn't respond to your comment, but I didn't notice it because someone else posted something on my talk page immediately after you, and that was what I saw when I last had a message waiting. The matter of the date linking was a very fraught one, but in the end it was agreed that the Wikipedia:Full-date unlinking bot would not unlink dates in Year in Topic articles (Year in Music, etc). Despite this, the bot did wrongly unlink these articles, as you can see from its criteria. They should remain linked because of the nature of the article. Deb (talk) 20:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for 7 generations[edit]

for removing the opinion the SAn Francisco(be sure to wear flowers in your hair) was a "generational anthem". I am from that generation and even though Hal Blaine was playing on it, it's no anthem. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 22:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

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Green Acres[edit]

That show was indeed a victim of the CBS "rural purge". But the stuff about What's My Line? is obviously an editor drawing inferrences. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:27, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, while the "rural purge" is true, there is already a whole section in the article devoted to that. The rest of the edit was either a prose duplication of the ratings table or original research/editorializing. --hulmem (talk) 17:14, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Not your problem[edit]

Sorry, rescinding notification. Just wanted you to know this is not an edit war. This is another type of war, and I am losing. Please try to keep out of it, I humbly ask you.Djathinkimacowboy(yell) 04:50, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

OK --hulmem (talk) 04:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Beach Boys song title[edit]

Hi, regarding this edit, the correct title of the song is "And Your Dream Comes True", not "And Your Dreams Come True" (see musicbrainz album listing and discogs album photographs). What I was trying to do was point out that the reference used the wrong song title (although I see I also got it wrong in my edit summary). —Bruce1eetalk 10:18, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Chip Douglas[edit]

I made the change in Chip Douglas's full name by deleting "Walter". I am a close friend of his and it truly was his request. However it is indeed true that there is no official "source" I can quote since he asked me to make the change through personal conversations and emails including the one I received from him on 8 March.

In such a case, what do you think would be the best way to retain the change? I can ask him to login and edit it himself, but then people could also claim that there is no proof that it was truly himself, without a cited source. In fact, as you can see in the edit history, he tried to change it himself at 09:30, 5 January 2012, by logging on himself‎ ("Douglas Hatlelid") when I first told him of "Walter" in his name. However, as the edit history shows, even his own edit was undone by someone else later (20:37, 5 January 2012‎ by

Chip and I would actually be happy to find out the source of "Walter" in his name if anyone can supply the information, as we have been wondering where it came from in the first place. In the meantime, neither versions of his name has a source that can be cited online.

Do you have any suggestions? Chip and I will greatly appreciate it. NessH (talk) 04:45, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Beach Boys References[edit]

I noticed you removed 1 of 5 references claiming that there is no proof of its contents being used within this page. With that being said, are you able to proof that the other 4 references do have it's contents being used within the page? Why remove 1 reference and not all of them. Completely unjustified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gsgeek540 (talkcontribs) 01:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

At the time I made the edit to delete the one reference, that reference had just been added the previous day; however, there were no edits performed to add or change information around the time the reference was added, so it is clear it was not actually used as a reference. I believe the other references have been there a long time and information was added to the article at the time the references were added. But I see that subsequent to your comment on my talk page, there has been an edit war going on over this, which I have no desire to be a part of. --hulmem (talk) 11:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

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Removal of excessive unused sources[edit]

Greetings- First, I assume good faith here- this isn't personal. The biography for Laura Nyro was admittedly one of the best of the articles where I've moved refs. The removal of sources generally improve the view of the article. I don't know how long you have been editing, and often the WP "rules" change. I work a lot doing cleanup and tasks outside that benefit the Wikipedia. Often people use "External links" as a parking lot for items they bump into but don't have the time or the drive to add them to the article. My relocation of those sources to the talk page as with CAT:ELC still makes them available for use! They didn't go anywhere! Often though, there are "sources" that violate Wikipedia standards, including fan sites, blogs, and items like two of those "references", that are copyright violations of performances on You Tube that jeopardize our Wikipedia and need weeding out. Off the top of my head, that's one of the rules I recall. Who knows if I'm 100% up on regs. here, but I hope you'll see why only moving those sources to the talk page presents a cleaner article, and increased ease of noticing unusable sources when they aren't hidden in the foliage of External links. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 22:57, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, since I began this conversation on your talk page I replied there. You said you don't know how long I have been editing; I've been editing since January 2006. --hulmem (talk) 05:39, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


I was just thinking about refreshing my memory (and learning a LOT more) beginning here, and am hoping you might join me and many others:

This is a good thing! Even if you already are doing this kind of work, it is a good way to raise awareness. Do join us! --Leahtwosaints (talk) 06:43, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the invitation, I will certainly consider it. I agree the biggest problem with WP is unreferenced content. --hulmem (talk) 14:26, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Fifth Dimension[edit]

Regarding my edit of Up, Up and Away by The 5th Dimension, I edited the name of the song from "Up, Up and Away" to "Up-Up and Away". What I edited it to is the correct spelling of the track "Up-Up and Away" on the album, even though the album is spelled "Up, Up and Away". This is also a different spelling from the page it links it to. The 5th Dimension decided to use this new spelling even though the song is the same. You can see the track listing on the actual album at this page. Click on the album for a larger and easier to read version. So my edit was correct, even though it was a very minor one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:43, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation; it is a puzzling discrepancy without an apparent reason. Regarding your comment, "The 5th Dimension decided to use this new spelling...", we don't know who made the decision to use the different punctuation (or why). It could have just been some editor who thought it looked "more correct" with a dash. I see this kind of small edit frequently as vandalism, so that is why I reverted it. In the future, there are two things you could do to reduce the possibility of your edit being suspected as vandalism and reverted: (1) Cite a reliable source that verifies the factual accuracy of your edit; and (2) write an edit summary for your edits. --hulmem (talk) 03:32, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Dihydrogen monoxide.[edit]


the only reason I changed the one word "odourless" from "odorless" was because it sat *directly* next to the word "colourless" (and not "colorless"). I wasn't trying to be controversial. Since the topic falls into the "international" topic category, I really don't see how one spelling is more appropriate than the other given that both versions were originally sitting side by side. But enforce the way you must.

--OettingerCroat (talk) 01:14, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. The hoax was started by an American, and I believe all the other British/American English spelling variants in the article use the American English spelling; had I noticed "colourless" when I reverted your edit I would have changed that as well (which I later did). By reverting your edit I was simply attempting to apply the guidelines for WP:CONSISTENCY and WP:TIES. --hulmem (talk) 07:50, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Herndon photograph[edit]

Hello Hulmem,

I am trying to add images for various Virginia articles. I see you removed the image I found for Herndon, as it was actually outside the town limits - thank you for catching that. What do you think about about this photo? It doesn't specify the location, so I'm hoping your local knowledge will help identify it.--Kubigula (talk) 04:16, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Sure, adding images to articles a good thing to do. The Flickr photo is definitely within the town limits. It was taken from this vantage point (Bing Streetside image) looking almost directly south. If you look closely at the Bing Streetside image you can see the three historical markers that are in the photo foreground. The prominent brick building in the photo is the Herndon Town Hall. --hulmem (talk) 06:16, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Great - thanks for the assists--Kubigula (talk) 02:00, 28 February 2013 (UTC).

Springfield, Virginia[edit]

Springfield, West Virginia used to be part of Virginia, it was at the time called "Springfield, Virginia", see Former counties, cities, and towns of Virginia#West Virginia. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 03:23, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it was a part of Virginia until 1863 — 150 years ago — along with every other city, town, and county in what is now West Virginia. According to WP:DABLINK, "Users searching for what turns out to be an ambiguous term may not reach the article they expected. Therefore any article with an ambiguous title should contain helpful links to alternative Wikipedia articles or disambiguation pages, placed at the top of the article using one or more of the templates shown below." However, in my view Springfield, Virginia is not an ambiguous title. What is now Springfield, West Virginia, has been so for 150 years, so it is very improbable that someone looking for the article on Springfield, West Virginia, is going to enter the term Springfield, Virginia. -- hulmem (talk) 03:42, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Not every city, town, and county, just the ones that were around at the time. You're forgetting about old documents, as an example. Someone could easily look at an old book or something (there are plenty of old public domain e-books on the Internet, for example), and if it says something about "Springfield, Virginia", he might not know that Springfield is now in West Virginia, he's going to look up "Springfield, Virginia". Of course in the overwhelming majority of cases someone who looks up "Springfield, Virginia", will be looking for the current one, but in the overwhelming majority of cases someone who looks up "Arlington, Virginia" (redirect to Arlington County, Virginia) will be looking for the census-designated place/county, not the unincorporated community. In the overwhelming majority of cases, someone who looks up "Obama" will be looking for the President, not some other use. All these article's have hatnotes, and they exist because of the small minority of cases where a reader will be looking for the other use. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 04:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Here's another example. Someone reads a modern day document about say, Virginia v. John Brown. The document says that it took place in "Harpers Ferry, Virginia". It, most likely though some oversight or sloppiness, neglects to clearly state that it is now part of West Virginia. Another possibility is that the article does say so clearly, but he looks up "Harpers Ferry, Virginia" anyway, perhaps because (if it's a webpage) it's simply easier for him to highlight "Harpers Ferry, Virginia", right click, and click "search with Wikipedia" then it is to go to our website and manually look up "Harpers Ferry, West Virginia". That particular example wouldn't be an issue because the only Harpers Ferry, Virginia in the one in West Virginia, but you see my point. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 04:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

The Belmonts[edit]

Please tell me how a true statement about the failure of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame to induct The Belmonts and a reference from Billboard Magazine about them constitutes "original research" . Willgee (talk) 05:56, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Willgee, thank you for your many edits to improve and expand Wikipedia. First of all, I don't think I would refer to the Belmonts not being inducted as a "failure", because that implies (as a fact) something should have happened that didn't. I can see how someone could have such an opinion (that it was a "failure"), and a rationale for that opinion. But the only relevant facts supported by the sources you cited are that (a) the Belmonts were not inducted and (b) they weren't happy about it (which is understandable and not surprising). Even if many people have that opinion I don't know that it really matters with respect to encyclopedic content.
Here are some specific instances of what appears to me to be original research, or perhaps opinion:
(1) How is this a "controversy"? There is nothing in the sources you cited that establishes this as a controversy.
(2) The following text you added is not supported by the sources you cited: "Because of the timeline when these groups were successful, it was believed that The Belmonts would be included in this induction..." Who believed the Belmonts would be included, and why should their opinion matter?
(3) The following text you added is not supported by the sources you cited: "Because of the fact that the Belmonts scored chart hits for an additional 3 years after Dion left the group, coupled with the fact that The entire group, including Dion, were inducted intact into the Vocal Group Hall of Fame in 2000, just one year after Dion's solo induction into the Rock Hall, made their omission even more puzzling." A conclusion that this is puzzling is an opinion, even if it has a fact-based rationale; it is really a matter for the reader to decide.
--hulmem (talk) 02:15, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

More on The Belmonts[edit]

From Goldmine, the Oldies Music magazine, dated 4/28 2012:

(Written on the occasion of the six classic groups into the Rock Hall...years after the separate inductions of their lead singers)

" The Rock Hall still has other wrongs to right E-Street Band, Silver Bullet Band, Wailers, Belmonts all deserve recognition

By adding the above members to the HOF, Rock Hall officials obviously re making an effort to fix earlier errors. At first glance, it appeared the HOF was concentrating on early period errors first, and, perhaps, would get around to consider later omissions — Bruce Springsteen’s E-Street Band, Bob Seger’s Silver Bullet Band, Bob Marley’s Wailers — later on. But one glaring remaining omission from this era of artists throws that theory out of whack: What happened to Dion’s group, The Belmonts?

For a two-year period in the early 1960s, Dion And The Belmonts were unstoppable, and The Belmonts played a major vocal role in almost all of the hits, beginning with the classic “I Wonder Why.” Monster recordings of “A Teenager In Love” and the two-sided smash “Where Or When” and “That’s My Desire” are just the tip of The Belmonts’ accomplishments. While Dion went on to have a Hall of Fame career as a solo artist, the Belmonts also did OK, scoring hits with “Tell Me Why” and “Come On Little Angel” as well as charting with several other singles.

Many variations of The Belmonts continue to this day, with occasional reunions with Dion, but the original group, which consisted of Fred Milano, Angelo D’Aleo and Carlo Mastrangelo with Dion, should be inducted." Here's more:

THE BELMONTS "I think that inducting Dion as a solo artist was the right way to go, but they can’t discard his era with The Belmonts and the other musicians who played a part in it. In the same way that the six backing bands were supplementally inducted in 2012, The Belmonts absolutely need to be given that same honor. In fact, I’m shocked they weren’t included on the list. They were one of doo wop’s most important acts."

Here's still another...from The New York Daily News, dated February 9, 2012:

"In a quiet move that will draw some applause and likely raise a few further questions, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame announced Thursday it will induct the backup groups for six previous solo inductees.

The six groups include the Famous Flames, who backed 1986 inductee James Brown; the Crickets, who backed 1986 inductee Buddy Holly; the Comets, who backed 1987 inductee Bill Haley; the Miracles, who backed 1987 inductee Smokey Robinson; the Midnighters, who backed 1990 inductee Hank Ballard; and the Blue Caps, who backed 1998 inductee Gene Vincent.

They will be inducted at the Hall's annual dinner, which this year is April 14 in Cleveland.

Fans of those artists have long wondered why the Midnighters, Comets and Miracles, in particular, were passed over the first time around.

This makeup move is likely to trigger conversation about several other artists whose fans regard their backup groups as an integral part of their sound.

New Yorkers are likely to wonder why the Hall didn't take this opportunity to have the Belmonts join Dion, who was inducted solo in 1989."

With all of these references , do you still think that I was stating "personal opinions", "grandstanding", and that there was "no controversy" concerning The Belmonts' omission?

All of these articles appeared during 2012 ,during the time frame of the inductions of The Miracles, The Famous Flames,The Midnighters , The Blue Caps, The Comets, and The Crickets. The writers of these articles all pointed out that the inductions of these groups triggered questions as to why The Belmonts were not included in the mass induction of these 6 "classic groups" during this timeline...which was exactly what I pointed out in my edit that you omitted.

Willgee (talk) 01:15, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Chicago teamwork barnstar[edit]

Team Barnstar Hires.png The Teamwork Barnstar
Thanks for checking out my addition of Chicago (band)#Graphics. That was a ton of hard work for me. I would appreciate feedback on that or any other articles. I wrote Walfredo Reyes, Jr. and Tris Imboden, which are still major works in progress. I would appreciate any Chicago-related collaboration!

I did not understand his intentions to be that he had designed the first logo for any band in history. It seems that's how you read it, but it seems ambiguously nonspecific to me. I thought he meant that he had designed the first logo for this particular band, or at least for this name, since it had just renamed from CTA. What do you think about that? — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 05:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Lou Christie[edit]

You posted that I added info to Lou's wiki page and that you removed it...could you kindly tell me exactly what you removed? You said it needed a reliable source.. I am a reliable source because I was the original backup singer on all Lou's MGM hits.. So if you would be so knid as to tell me what you removed...Thanks

Denise — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:32, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Denise, first let me say I always thought the backup vocals were awesome on "Lightnin' Strikes" and other Lou Christie songs of the era! So I'm kind of honored to be corresponding with you.
I looked back at what I changed, and there was a sentence that said, "The song [Lightnin' Strikes] featured his signature falsetto and included a female chorus (Bernadette Carroll, Denise Ferri, and Peggy Santiglia, though Fred Bronson's listing stated Linda Scott and Ellie Greenwich instead..." and had a cited reference, the book The Billboard Book of Number One Hits. Your edit removed "though Fred Bronson's listing stated Linda Scott and Ellie Greenwich instead". I restored that text you deleted, assuming at the time that it was supported by the cited reference.
After I saw your note above, I decided to double check the reference, and discovered that the statement "though Fred Bronson's listing stated Linda Scott and Ellie Greenwich" was about the song "I'm Gonna Make You Mine", not "Lightnin' Strikes". So whoever originally put that phrase in was mistaken, and I was mistaken in restoring it after you deleted it. I just edited the article to delete that phrase, just as you had done.
On the subject of "reliable source", you might want to read these articles: Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources and Wikipedia:No original research. While I'm sure you really are Denise Ferri, and have firsthand knowledge from your work as a singer, unfortunately there are many people who pretend to be someone else and make up stuff in Wikipedia. So when someone (in good faith) states "I was there, this is what happened", Wikipedia considers that to be "original research", which is not permitted; and instead requires a reliable published source that can be verified by anyone. I can see how this would be frustrating for you. So if you had written a book about your career that was published, or been interviewed in a magazine article, then the book or magazine article could be a reliable reference that is cited in this Wikipedia article. Perhaps there are books, magazine articles, or other reliable published sources you know of that can support some of the things you know from your own experience. I'd encourage you to continue editing Wikipedia to add information and correct errors on topics you know about, keeping in mind that you should cite a reliable source or someone might revert your edit. --hulmem (talk) 23:31, 21 January 2014 (UTC)