User talk:Hushpuckena

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Suggestion for WikiProject United States to support WikiProject Mississippi[edit]

It was recently suggested that WikiProject Mississippi might be inactive or semiactive and it might be beneficial to include it in the list of projects supported by WikiProject United States. I have started a discussion on the projects talk page soliciting the opinions of the members of the project if this project would be interested in being supported by WikiProject United States. Please feel free to comment on your opinions about this suggestion. --Kumioko (talk) 03:17, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

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Fractions of square miles[edit]

Hi Hushpuckena, re: this edit and evidently hundreds of others, why would square miles be treated any differently to other units in this respect? I have never ever heard of fractions of any unit being used in the singular ... one would read "0.6 square miles" rather than "3 fifths of a square mile". I see no reason to treat it differently to any other unit; here in Australia we could say the temperature is 0.6 degrees, the tree is 0.6 metres tall, the intersection is 0.6 kilometres away. Even Template:Convert pluralises the fractions of square miles like this: 0.6 square miles (1.6 km2). Rather than manually editing thousands of articles to introduce potentially controversial plural changes, you would do much better to voice your opinion at the (admittedly inactive) page Wikipedia talk:2010 US Census. Graham87 14:52, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

December 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States[edit]

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January 2012 Newsletter for WikiProject United States and supported projects[edit]

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We miss you![edit]

Hi, it's FSR/Krakatoa. Haven't seen you in eons on I (and others) hope you're OK. It would be great to see you come back. If you see this, I'd appreciate it you e-mailed me at Hope to hear from you soon. Take care. Krakatoa (talk) 09:40, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you[edit]

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Thanks for your recent contributions! (talk) 21:17, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

An award for you[edit]

A Barnstar!
Golden Wiki Award

You are among the top 5% of most active Wikipedians this past month! (talk) 00:37, 12 April 2012 (UTC)



In recognition of all the work you’ve done lately! (talk) 13:35, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


The two chess articles you listed for deletion are not really listed for deletion. The tag you added only suggests that they might be deleted. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:13, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Please don't list articles at todays log when you haven't AFD'd the article or created the deletion discussion. I suggest you reread WP:AFDHOWTO & you could consider installing twinkle by going preferences then gadgets & turning it on. This enables you to AfD articles easier as it will do all the steps in one. Regards ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 05:54, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Freddie Fitzsimmons[edit]

His cause of death was a heart attack. Here's a news article written at the time of his death.[1] Deadball Era copied off of Baseball Almanac. And Baseball Almanac admits they goofed when assembling the list 12 years ago.(I emailed them) BA also had Don Wilson down as a suicide but it was an accidental death. After learning of their errors, BA corrected their baseball suicides page....William 14:59, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

.5 vs ½[edit]

Hi Hush, nice to meet you. I think you're a talent w/ copyediting! Regarding Spassky, the article uses both .5 and ½ to designate half-point. I don't care which is used (though Bubba prefers ½, and I like it too, but I'm not sure MoS supports ½, I think MoS supports 12, which I don't like, and I don't know if Bubba likes, but I've never seen 12 used in any chess article), I was just trying to make it one way or the other (ala my edit summary) for consistency. What do you think? Again nice to meet, I really respect your copyedit talent. Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 02:53, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

As I write this, I count 32 ½s in the article, and 31 .5s. (50-50 at this point.) Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 03:09, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
I don't like 12 - on my screen it is much too large. It is much larger than the text, whereas the character ½ fits, size wise. The issue of x.5 versus ½ came up on the Chess Project talk page several years ago, and the consensus was that ½ is preferred because scores in chess are either full points or half points. In Olympic judging, you can have 3.7 or 4.5, so obviously the decimal version must be used in cases like that. And chess players usually say "I got three and a half points", not "I got three point five points", although I know an exception. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 03:54, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I think I found that discussion: [2]. (ProjChess members expressing preference for ½: Fletch79, Krakatoa, Bubba73. There were no advocates for .5.) Does that satisfactorily create a ProjChess consensus on format convention then? Ihardlythinkso (talk) 14:20, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Dale Alexander[edit]

I am happy to have a "civil" discussion with you on the nature of POV on the talk page of an article, but when a person who appears to have little knowledge of baseball makes a change using the rather loaded accusation of "peacock language" without discussing it first, then I am going to call that out. I honestly do not know how much you know about baseball, but for the purpose of the following I will assume it is not too much, though please do correct me on that point if I am mistaken. Batting average is an objective measure of a player's ability to get a hit. It is the primary indicator of a player's hitting prowess, though does not do a very good job of evaluating a player's larger offensive capability since it says nothing about his ability to help the team score runs like certain other statistics do. In 1932, Alexander won the AL batting title. This means he was the best hitter in the league that year, period. Its a statistical measure of his ability, not an opinion. In 1929, he finished 10th, again ranking him with the elite hitters. No claim is made as to whether he was the best or tenth best or twenty best hitter in that period, the article merely states the objective fact that he performed well in that period. As a part of the lead of the article, it provides context for his notability and accomplishments. Now, you are welcome to provide counterpoint to that, obviously, but if you do it would be helpful to explain why you believe the statistics do not support the contention. Indrian (talk) 21:12, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

USA Superfluous??[edit]

Hey, no problem with the edit. BUT, there are pages where USA is added. Can we just get a standard here? While I concur, West Virginia or Kentucky are probably unique, they do have town names which are in othjer countries, so how do we judhe its superfluous?? UNLESS you want to do a full global search to confirm on each edit....I know I wont.Coal town guy (talk) 22:10, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

SHOW me the guideline, please.Coal town guy (talk) 03:46, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Do you know where the standard is? If so, would you provide the link or its name pleaseCoal town guy (talk) 16:38, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Cap error[edit]

It is ironic that you should notice that it was not German, but English. English is not my first language, German is my 3rd language, the irony is that on this planet there are 200+ countries and it is extreme arrogance bordering on the obtuse to assume that all of these people know that a town in Kentucky is in the USA because you deem it superfluous. I am a rather patient person, but I will not be insulted. I will tolerate your "edits" but not your ignoranceCoal town guy (talk) 13:09, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Served by as opposed to by the[edit]

Look, I am all up inside of needing to edit, but you dont know the subject matter at all. First, As stated earlier , I think its rude to edit an article based on your interpretation of a country being "superfluous". Second, the coal townsd and unincorporated communities in KY and WV were served by their own post office, not "a" post office. One could think "oh really, which one would that be?" The reason, one would ask that is because, it was not uncommon in coal towns to have a single post office serve multiple towns, or have a single town with multiple post offices. Again, I hope you play chess better than you edit. In the spirit of cooperation, you could actually help and point out the standard, which you dont do. Thats cool by meCoal town guy (talk) 04:27, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

In another section, you make a snide reference to my chess-playing capabilities vis-a-vis my editing, yet complain that you won't be insulted.

That goes both ways. Of course, you've got three admins behind you on this page, so anything you say automatically carries greater weight. Your statement that '(I) dont (sic) know the subject matter at all' is incorrect, as I work for the Postal Service and have learnt a thing or three across the last nine years. If you're going to hurl slings and arrows my way, some accuracy would be useful indeed.

I reply in the manner I am addressed.Coal town guy (talk) 13:53, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Please dont make it up[edit]

Hey- I see that you are starting to edit articles incorrectly. Especially coal town articles. Most of these places were not a town in the legal Wikipedia defined sense of the word town. That actually involves incorporation etc etc. SO, when you say a town with a post office, its incorrect. UNLIKE YOU, here is the link to the definition odf a town in the United States

You also edited an article and let me know I should not have capped the post office. The article did not contain a post office in its content. Please read the articles and stop performing edits that are factually.....wrongCoal town guy (talk) 13:51, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism warning[edit]

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On returning here after some time away, I find numerous posts here by yourself. This particular post constitutes a serious accusation, moreover one which is unsubstantiated and unwarranted. For the moment, I'll address this, then move on to other particulars. Hushpuckena (talk) 15:51, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that was because you ignored any and all attempts at communication and were making edits that were not correct, repeatedly. I tried in good faith to communicate with and that was refused. I am open to any communication. If you again want to communicate, thats swell, if not, thats swell, but I did again attemptCoal town guy (talk) 16:02, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Beefhide in Pike and Letcher Counties[edit]

Look, this is another error on your part. Its a tad tiresome. Can we try to create a constructive chat? Its glaringly obvious, you do not know the area at all nor the subject matter. My grammar could improve. So, do you want to work together or should I just report your bad edits?Coal town guy (talk) 13:35, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

So far as I knew-and there was no other article on Beefhide, which I verified before making the move-the entity in Letcher County was the only one. Your overweening arrogance is plain by your approach here, yet you carry on about wanting 'to work together'. Hushpuckena (talk) 19:53, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Hey there, to both of you. Not sure how i found my way to see this Talk page, but about this Beefhide contention, I'll offer up:
  • If there are in fact 2 notable places named Beefhide in Kentucky, with neither being highly more known than the other, it seems best to create a disambiguation page at Beefhide, Kentucky, which I will do now. And/or, it would also be fine to have a hatnote at the top of either page pointing to the other one.
  • Given there is no second page, and there was no disambiguation page, it seems to me highly reasonable that Hushpuckena would see no need for disambiguation and no need for the Letcher County within the title about the one. It is not "glaringly obvious" as a bad edit, not a bad edit at all, IMHO. I'll start a page on the Pike County one now, too. I think the situation should then be stable.
  • I kinda agree about calls for collaboration being suspicious, in the same breath as accusations. But nor do i see "overweening arrogance". Just a suggestion: try not following each others' edits for a while. Chill... Hope this helps or at least doesn't hurt. --doncram 20:28, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Personally I could not care less. I have tried repeatedly to communicate and not supplicate. This is a pattern. Misery is an optional state. To the best of my knowledge I did not in any way willingly conspire to undermine the good will of this editor. They do a swell job of that on their own. I gladly and willingly defer to better editors who actually know the subject matterCoal town guy (talk) 21:44, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Update: More confusion: Another editor considered the separate Pike County page that I had set up at Beefhide, Pike County, Kentucky and decided it was not a different location, and redirected it and also removed the separate disambiguation page. Currently wikipedia shows one page at "Beefhide, Kentucky" and other pages such as the Pike one and the Beefhide, Letcher County, Kentucky and Beefhide, Kentucky (disambiguation) redirect to that. Frankly I don't know if there is another Beefhide or not. If there is any evidence that there is a Beefhide in Pike county, please go ahead and restore the separate pages, and perhaps contact that editor ( User:TheCatalyst31 ).
Anyhow, criticizing Hushpuckena for not anticipating a Pike county one seems to have been wrong. Other editors seem to find no support for that. I'm done, anyhow. Bye. --doncram 00:16, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
IF you go to GNIS do a search on Beefhide with KY as the state and DO NOT specify a county, you will receive all of the data. It is again NOT uncommon for a location near a county line to have a PO in another county and the town in another. This is esspecially true in small small places in KY, VA, WV and PA. IF you know the rough area, Pike and Letcher counties in KY to some degree, you would do that search. Its not about anticipation, its about collaboration with other editorsCoal town guy (talk) 00:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
HERE is the link for the specific search
NOTE: The town is in Letcher County, The PO is in Pike. LOCALLY, there was a discrepancy, both counties claimed to have a town of that name historicallyCoal town guy (talk) 00:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, there appear to be some errors in what you post: the "Here is the link..." you provide points to some search about "Big Foot" not about any Beefhide, at least when I click on it. Also, I believe the other editor TheCatalyst31 stated in an edit summary that the post office GNIS location is in fact in Letcher County, not in Pike as you assert. There is something wrong right now with the geohack map server link so i cannot currently confirm that. Also, from what you say, it seems like you are suggesting that there is one unincorporated community area called Beefhide that spans across a county line. If so, the correct name for one article is Beefhide, Kentucky, as originally created, and the content should mention the two counties. Currently, it seems to me like the entire initial complaint starting this thread was wrong, that there was no error by Hushpuckena at all. If it turns out that there are indeed two separated places, it will still be contrary to initial claim that there is "obvious"ly something wrong. Please don't take offense, but there seems to be one or two or three or so errors in Coal Town guy's statements, perhaps no errors at all in Hushpuckena's statements. --doncram 04:00, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Not attempting to chime in here, except to provide this map link that might be helpful. Omnedon (talk) 04:48, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, I originally created the article, and I follow the lead of people who have more experienced in how an area like this is handled. Obscure places are populated, the exist, people are there. Calling them obscure does not preclude them from being any more or less valid. ESPECIALLY when they have a post office. I take zero offense to the statement I made errors. BUT, again, I have edits telling me about post offices where, there was no post office. I have ddits telling me what a guideline states which, the guideline does NOT do. BUT, as another user has kindly provided a MAP, why not take a look.Coal town guy (talk) 15:38, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
2337496 is the GNIS number for the Beefhide PO located according to GNIS in Pike County KY. Might be wrong, looking at a map, hey, thats cool.507483 GNIS num,ber for the community in LETCHER county.....Coal town guy (talk) 15:42, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Please continue at Talk:Beefhide, Kentucky. But FYI, after edits by Coal town guy and by me, the article now cites two GNIS entries, with the one for the populated place seeming to indicate the populated place spans both counties. Do let's continue any discussion about Beefhide at its Talk page. --doncram 20:27, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Common terms[edit]

coal town is not a common term. The categpry is less than a month old and the articvle that defines it is yes, new and accurate. Look, I have tried to be kind here and really understanding. Yiou DO NOT know the area or subject matter. I stopped my Phd program in Appalachian studies. The deal is, I have been to these places, lived in them, and you, have NO idea what you are editing here. I have tried to be civil, I have tried really everything including asking to work together with you. Please respond, or I will just start reporting your edits as vanadalism. Hoping to start a constructive dialogCoal town guy (talk) 03:12, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

While I am not the expert on these areas that you claim to be, it is presumptuous indeed for you to claim I know nothing whatever about them, as you know nothing about me. 'Hoping to start a constructive dialog' and making a threat in consecutive sentences are contradictory, to put it mildly. Hushpuckena (talk) 08:15, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
I am not an expert, I just spent 25+ years of my life in coal towns and started my Phd in Applachian studies with an interest in defining coal culture as it pertained to coal towns. Family matters (in a coal town) precluded my Phd. I can however claim to have a "better than average knowledge" if there is such a thing for coal towns. The phrases you used and the grammar style you used would cause great confusion to anyone, much less a person from a coal town, or really Appalachia or really anyone from a smaller rural community. This is in no way of saying these are impaired people, its just that, the phrasology is confusing and not direct. While you correctly identified that these were not German articles (oh my, proper nouns), it is a tad irksome as most of the places I knew had lots of folks who did not have English as their first language. As you are a chess guru I am sure you are stunned at the very idea that there are people on our planet who did not grow up speaking English. I would dare say that as there are over 7 billion people on the planet, raw math tells us, its possible. Gasp, I am one as well. I am however, earnest in my desire to start a constructive discussion. AND lest we forget, people from coal towns use Wikipedia. The horror. The horror.Coal town guy (talk) 12:40, 27 September 2012 (UTC)