User talk:Hwy43

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Please start new topics at the bottom of the page, even if they are related to a section above, to maintain a sequential order of topics.

I prefer to keep discussion threads together. If I left you a message, please answer on your talk page, as I am watching it.

Nechako articles[edit]

I've been "kinda preoccupied" since placing that merge tag; and had commented on it before; nobody responded; a few weeks ago I did GoogleBooks/News searches and "Nechako Country" upper and lower case both came up vs "Nechako Region", upper and lower-case; the latter can have many administrative meanings and other general usages; the former always means the same thing, so I'll get to merging them when I can ..... take a breath.

Now what's the procedure, not having done one before, move over and incorporate/condense materials to the consolidated one, and just make the merged one a redirect? No talkpage to move, I note. I made a point of not adding one when I first discovered it.Skookum1 (talk) 09:15, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Not sure the procedure. Have not done it before. Hwy43 (talk) 05:24, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

List of municipalities[edit]

Congratulations on the Yukon nomination passing! Are you still interested in getting the remaining provinces up to that standard? I suspect we've both been busy in real life based on our edits, but I'm still interested and willing to wait until more time is available. I think the next course of action will be to update the Manitoba list to include the newest municipalities (I can do this next), and to maybe submit PEI for nomination? PEI is just missing a map, but I wonder if it would be hard to obtain that data? Anyway, congrats! Mattximus (talk) 14:11, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for re-nominating and congrats as well. Started looking at PEI. Needs more work (more than just the map), but I've started and will be in touch when I think it is ready. I've been waiting to mass update Manitoba until StatCan publishes the "January 2, 2014 to January 1, 2015" edition of its annual Interim List of Changes to Municipal Boundaries, Status, and Names publication, but please move on that if you can find the time. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 09:04, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks to you as well, I will move on that this week, and if there is discrepancies in the publication I can make those changes. Mattximus (talk) 15:13, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
For Manitoba, I've merged all the new municipalities, calculated all the new numbers, so it should be good and align with the new source you quoted above (would be a great reference for this article once released). If it does not, we can simply revert my edits and match the latest data. Unfortunately, your awesome maps are now a little out of date, but I just added the date in brackets next to them, which I thought might be a quick fix. Thanks for your suggestions! Mattximus (talk) 03:12, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Notability of Dustin Paxton[edit]

Re your comment on this removal, crime is covered on WP; and because of the dicey risks of saying anything about it, it's a tricky area to deal with IPs and SPAs and general BLP stuff; about the living more than the dead. Indo-Canadian organized crime and {{|Canadian organized crime groups}} and WP:WikiProject Crime and more; not sure of that template name, there's another for BC/Lower Mainland that includes the Red Scorpions, Independent Soldiers should be on there, and various others....Bindy Johal, Paul Bernardo, Clifford Olson, Robert Pickton, Billy Miner and more.....not the full roster in intense detail of "American outlaws" bios (see Boone Helm about a guy who made it to BC and fed himself along the way, so to speak) but it's not like Crime isn't covered in WP; far from it.

Then there's the "suit" kind of criminal, Bonner, Vander Zalm, Mulroney, Conrad Black and more....including the guy convicted of Contempt of Parliament.

Generally crime/gang stuff I stay away from for reasons of discretion/personal safety...meaning the kind where suiting up includes putting on a gun beneath a stylish suit, instead of pulling off crimes without guns by the abuse of authority as is by far the more costly to the public; and the body count is even higher when you consider things like the missing women.

That name you deleted is familiar to me though. Oh yeah enjoy the Google News, that was the Calgary torture. Very notable; you're in Alberta no? Don't you read the paper?? Even I knew about that and I was in Atlantic Canada at the time.Skookum1 (talk) 12:01, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Conspiracy theories, other stuff exists and inappropriate sarcasm and patronizing aside, I will explain. I'm no expert on WP's criminal notability requirements. I am familiar with what I have observed however. I deleted that entry as the much more notable James Roszko, Justin Bourque and Michael Zehaf-Bibeau do not have articles. Rather, they are redirects to their criminal events. Paxton's criminal event is not (yet) covered on WP.

I suggest you leave a brief message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography asking if there is agreement that Roszko, Bourque, Zehaf-Bibeau, Paxton and others you may have since added meet WP's criminal notability requirements. Hwy43 (talk) 19:41, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Such a bizarre answer; there are more than three RS and this was a highly public case, as were the others; if Magnotta and Olson and Pickton are on here, and gang criminals, and others who've killed and/or tortured or stolen are on here, why shouldn't they be? Good heavens, or as Mae West might say, "heaven has nothing to do with it". Zehaf-Bibeau, via the perp section on the Ottawa shootings article and on that article in general; like Cpl Cirillo also and others named in the article (they exist as redirects), are covered by WikiProject Terrorism; and their notability standards are....rather loose, as are also certain members' editing practices.... I think I might have tagged the Jason Bourque page (Moncton shootings) with that, if not there where does that belong if not under crime?
And you toss in the conspiracy theorist, other stuff exist mantra with some regularity, as do others, and I've heard that "I only know what I have observed however" stuff too, and I say much the same myself on certain matters. Your kind of answer is one of those matters, and yet another demonstration of pushing aside something on Wikipedia based on one's own prejudices and.....self-made authority combined with odd rationalizations and that string of derisive accusations you led off with.
And the sarcasm and patronizing bit; it's not like you haven't patronized me by condemning me for daring to write about something you don't want to read because it's too long for you; I wasn't being sarcastic, I was amazed that someone in Alberta would not know of the guy; and had no idea at all that it was you who called the shots on what's allowed to be listed here, and who decides whose more notable than who without being an expert on WP's criminal notability requirements by your own admission. Is it wrong to be amazed that somebody from a place wouldn't know about a very famous case that happened right there and got even global airtime?
Because that's what your laconic edit comment read like; that you hadn't heard of him; you asserted NN - on what point-clause of the general NN guideline did you decide that, since you say you haven't read WP:Notability (criminals) nor have I a lot but did once or twice re certain people connected to the Johal and Basi cases and others related to crime and politics in BC (often the same thing).
So, since when did notability become a requirement to be listed on the Requested articles list? And who appointed you to police it and decide who's more notable than who? How'd that happen? There some kind of new "rule" conflation at work around here that's come into operation of late?
That's not sarcasm, and it's not patronizing, it's asking direct questions and wanting to know why WPCANADA's requests board is patrolled and filtered at all.
And this is also me telling you your response was all cliches, and a gaffe/AGF against me for being patronizing and sarcastic when I wasn't; I was being direct, and had no idea there were exclusion rules operating in WPCanada noticeboards now, as you as their enforcer have indicated yourself to be.
There's lots of names that should be in many of these sections; limiting them without even looking at the guidelines in each case is.... oh never mind, you're already doing to bite me for such a long answer, and for my "tone".
But when you make an excuse like the one you did, and with your equation of the Paxton case with a conspiracy in your opening attack on me, it calls for an answer as pointed as I have just given. And underscores my growing concerns about where Wikipedia is heading.
No further comment.Skookum1 (talk) 17:43, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I saw a name I did not recognize. I had to Google this person to figure out who it was. I remembered hearing about the crime but the name didn't stick. I boldly removed the entry. You reverted it and provided a reason. I no longer question it. Certainly if I was policing as you suggested I would have reverted your revert. I am expressing above that I am having difficulty reconciling why more commonly known criminals like Bourque, Roszko and Zehab-Bibeau don't have articles yet this lesser known should have his own article. Given the Bernardo, Holmowka, Magnotta and Picktons of the world have articles, perhaps articles on these three others are also justified. Maybe someone should be bold and create articles on the three I mentioned.

Just so we are clear, I took offence to the tone behind "enjoy the Google News", "you're in Alberta no?" and "Don't you read the paper?" all come across as judgmental and patronizing slaps to the face. It is like saying "here is a ref you prick", "I can't believe an Albertan doesn't know this name", and "don't you follow the news?" When I'm confronted with that language, I'm going to be a tad cranky. In the end, I could have just ignored and not replied at all. Hwy43 (talk) 03:40, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Banff Editathon[edit]

Hey Hwy43. hope you are well. I think you're in Edmonton, so this is probably a bit far for you, but the Banff Centre is putting on an editathon in March. I'm trying to help the librarian there get in touch with some experienced folks. Let me know if there's any chance you are interested. Best, The Interior (Talk) 16:30, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

The Interior, thanks for the invite, but family commitments prevail. Have fun, Hwy43 (talk) 05:17, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
We will! Well wishes to your family, Hwy43. Hope you're all having a good winter. The Interior (Talk) 21:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC)