User talk:Hydrargyrum

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GOCE 2013 Annual Report[edit]

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Request for Comment[edit]

Hi there-- I saw that you voiced your opinion regarding the usage of the words comedian and comedienne on Talk:Comedian. I started a Request for Comment on that talk page to sort out whether or not the word 'comedienne' should be mentioned in the first sentence of the article 'Comedian'. You can vote here. Thanks for your time! :) Newyorkadam (talk) 01:25, 15 January 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam

GOCE February blitz wrapup[edit]

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Gettext Diagram[edit]

Hi. I spotted a couple of typos in the diagram you regenerated for the gettext page:

  • ‘msmerge’ (on the left) should be ‘msgmerge’ with a “g”
  • the second ‘msginit’ (bottom right) should be ‘msgfmt’

In both cases see the previous version for the correct text.

I downloaded the file to fix it myself, but with the text being paths it's nontrivial to edit. Do you still have the version with text as text saved somewhere? Thanks.

Smylers (talk) 10:25, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

March GOCE copyedit drive[edit]

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GOCE March drive wrapup[edit]

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The March 2014 drive wrap-up is now ready for review.
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Progress report: Articles tagged during the target months of December 2012 and January 2013 were reduced from 177 to 33, and the overall backlog was reduced by 13 articles. The total backlog was 2,902 articles at the end of March. On the Requests page during March, 26 copy edit requests were completed, all requests from January 2014 were completed, and the length of the queue was reduced by 11 articles.

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Hypercorrections at The Great Gatsby[edit]

Hi, Hydrargyrum. I looked at your edit to The Great Gatsby. You made several "corrections" using commas which aren't corrections at all but errors. For instance, you added a comma to "a mysterious millionaire who holds extravagant parties, but does not participate in them" but this comma is totally unwanted. You also added a comma to "a New York crime kingpin who was notoriously blamed for the Black Sox Scandal, which tainted the 1919 World Series" when this is also unneeded. Not all clauses need commas before them. Additionally, you also seem to really dislike the use the pronouns and self-reflective pronouns and tend to replace them with proper nouns. Overuse of proper nouns in an article can make prose choppy and boring to read. You also accidentally removed the period at the end of "Gatsby is said to have briefly studied at Trinity College, Oxford in England after the end of World War I". I have reverted your changes and will re-add the remaining positive changes. Jason Quinn (talk) 12:59, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

When you've been speaking and writing improperly for a long time, naturally, the wrong way will eventually begin to seem "right".

Let's eat Grandma.

Let's eat, Grandma.

Commas save lives. — QuicksilverT @ 16:05, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

April blitz wrap-up and May copyediting drive invitation[edit]

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Web[edit]

Why are you changing "Web site" to website, when Wikipedia's own article on the subject, says that website is the accepted term in today's world. Languages evolve, no point in trying to fight it. Slacka123 (talk) 03:03, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Why are you repeating information from a page that I referred you to? Its etymology has nothing to do with your clinging to an archaic term. Call it devolved, call what you want, the languages has changed and you're living in the past.Slacka123 (talk) 07:14, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Copyedits to SAT[edit]

Hi, Hydrargyrum,

I'm glad to see you making copyedits on a batch basis (also the way I usually edit article text), but I had to revert, assuming good faith, because some of your edits to SAT introduced mistakes (for example, the old, obsolete name of the test). But please keep up the good work; just be sure to look before you leap, as that article recently changed name after the name of the test changed in the real world. See you on the wiki. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 21:51, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

GOCE June 2014 newsletter[edit]

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More info. perhaps in DejaVu fonts[edit]

Hi there, I just saw https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=DejaVu_fonts and changed the version number in the article. Do you have any idea who made the tables. Maybe some changes are needed or be added at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DejaVu_fonts#Plane_1:_Supplementary_Multilingual_Plane_.28SMP.29_Range:_10000-1FFFF_.2865.2C536.E2.80.93131.2C071.29 perhaps?

Shirishag75 (talk) 08:44, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

GOCE July 2014 newsletter[edit]

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Invitation to WikiProject Poultry[edit]

John Anthony Walker[edit]

Hi Hydrargyrum. What is the meaning of "Financial gain" in the info box of John Anthony Walker. I know you just fixed it, but thought you might know anyway. Thanks. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 14:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. But it really looks odd. Firstly, a reader is supposed to be able to look at an info box and make sense of it : born here, dies there, was this and that etc. That "motive" is entirely outside anything I have seen in any infobox.

Then, he is listed as: "Occupation - United States Navy Chief Warrant Officer and communications specialist, Private investigator", nothing about being a spy, that one could link to "Motive - Financial gain". Then to make matter worse, there is "Spouse(s) - Barbara Crowley (divorced)" between what he does/ did and the motive, which makes it look that the "spouse" was for "financial gain". I looked up a few other spies (very few have infoboxes), and none include mention of "motive". What do you think? Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 09:53, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

GOCE July drive and August blitz[edit]

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Template rename[edit]

Hello:

(Hydrargyrum moved page Template:Remove File prefix to Template:Remove file prefix over redirect: conform to Wikipedia template "sentence case" naming convention)

Would Template:Remove File: prefix or Template:Remove "File:" prefix still clash with this convention? (Not sure about the first, but imagine the second should be acceptable as it uses quotemarks..?) Sardanaphalus (talk) 23:22, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

GOCE October 2014 newsletter[edit]

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"Web site"[edit]

The word website is typically a single word and there's no reason to alter it. See website, website, and website. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 17:59, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

@EvergreenFir: Sez who? A few lazy journalists who got "C" grades on their high school writing assignments? It's called the World Wide Web, a proper noun, and in English proper nouns are still capitalized. — QuicksilverT @ 18:42, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Says dictionaries ([1], [2], [3]) and the Associated Press style guide and The Guardian? This isn't 1995 anymore. It's no longer "e-mail" anymore. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 19:01, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
@EvergreenFir: Tim Berners-Lee invented and named the World Wide Web. Perhaps those sources you quote never bothered checking and/or were too lazy to hit the shift key on their keyboard. — QuicksilverT @ 22:04, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
I am aware of the history of it. I was 11 when it was invented and lived through the creation and adaption of "website". The spelling has changed. The predominant spelling is "website", as evidenced by the AP style guide. There is no reason to alter a spelling in an article to suit your particular preferences without any solid reason. Just like we leave BC and AD alone if that's what the original editor used, so too should that go for other spellings that fall outside of WP:ARTCON. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:09, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
@EvergreenFir: If it irks you so much, change it to suit yourself. Remember, your name will be attached to the edit, so you'll own it. I'm not interested in spending any more emotional capital on this issue. — QuicksilverT @ 07:02, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Two Steps From Hell[edit]

I have again declined your speedy deletion request at Two Steps From Hell, since you do not present a valid reason for speedy deletion. Please use the WP:Redirects for discussion process and make your case for the change there. Thanks. Safiel (talk) 07:12, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Comment By the way, I don't mean to get to caught up in process for the sake of process. I am a bit more cautious with this article due to the very heavy number of edits by many users. I would prefer just to take those seven days, get a consensus at RfD and then do the move. I have been around long enough to see the trouble that can come from unilateral page moves. I just see it as better being safe than sorry. Safiel (talk) 07:23, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
@Safiel:I can't make heads nor tails of the WP:Redirects for discussion "process". The template keeps spewing garbage and the "instructions" are opaque as mud. Fuck it. Leave the article with a bad title and I'll just sit back and laugh while Wikipedia grinds to a halt in bureaucratic manure. — QuicksilverT @ 07:27, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
I have initiated the process. There is a template on the redirect now that will take you to the discussion page. Safiel (talk) 07:40, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Alatna Valley[edit]

You made this edit with this edit summary: templates in lead section break tooltip preview. Can you explain that to me? I've not heard of this so could use an education.

Trappist the monk (talk) 20:32, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Wikipedia suppresses display of templates in tool-tip previews of articles, as when a user hovers the mouse cursor over a link. This makes sense in the case of large templates, such as {{Infobox person}}, but when it is done with inline templates that display text in a sentence, instead of seeing the text, all the user sees is blank space or a strange discontinuity in prose. For the lead sections of articles it is best to replace such inline templates with the text that they generate. Further down the article, beyond the area displayed in the tooltip preview, leaving inline templates in place doesn't matter. — QuicksilverT @ 20:39, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't experience that. In both your version and the version preceding it, I see tooltips for every link in the article; I don't see blank space or a strange discontinuity in prose. Where is this suppression documented? You left {{USNS|Alatna|T-AOG-81}} so how is it different from {{convert}}?
Trappist the monk (talk) 20:54, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
@Trappist the monk: I don't know where it is documented, if it is at all, but the effect is clearly visible with browsers that support tooltip previews. I generally use SeaMonkey, Firefox or Opera, since I now work almost exclusively on Linux systems and do not have access to Microsoft Internet Explorer. MSIE isn't standards-compliant and doesn't work correctly in many cases, and I've read that MSIE users, especially of the older versions of the browser, don't see tooltip previews in any case. As for missing {{USNS|Alatna|T-AOG-81}} in my edit, that was an oversight. I usually make the edit when distances or elevations are missing, information that is critical to extracting useful information from a quick preview. To see what I'm talking about, see a tooltip preview to an article with inline templates from another article that links to it. For example, hover your cursor over this link: Mount Adams (Washington). When the tooltip preview pops up, notice the text that reads "... located in a remote wilderness approximately east of Mount St. Helens." Compare that to the article, where it reads "... located in a remote wilderness approximately 31 miles (50 km) east of Mount St. Helens." Note that the second time you access a link by hovering, the popup may be collapsed, but you can reset it by clicking the "popups -> reset" link in the cream-colored box. — QuicksilverT @ 21:16, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Is this mw:Beta_Features/Hovercards we're talking about? If so, that doesn't work for me at all (chrome latest and presumably greatest). I still see tool tips that are similar to those one gets with abbr template. If we're talking about hovercards then I think it is hovercard's problem to fix; Wikipedia articles and editors needn't adapt because of hovercard's inadequacies.
Trappist the monk (talk) 21:56, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
@Trappist the monk: It's not Hovercards. Until you brought it up here, I had never heard of it. When I checked my Preferences, under the "Beta features" tab, I saw that it isn't enabled in my account. It's "Navigation popups", found under the "Gadgets" tab in the user Preferences. This feature has been around for a while and is quite stable. I can't remember when I enabled it in my account, but it seems like 5 or 6 years ago. When I disable the feature, I still get a pop-up, but all it does is echo the title of the article without a preview. If Navigations popups aren't active in your Preferences, click the checkbox to activate it, save the settings and reload this Talk page to test the effect on the Mount Adams link, above. — QuicksilverT @ 22:09, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I get it, thanks. I guess I think that the limitations of Navigation popups should not be imposed upon the rest of Wikipedia. Until and unless inline templates are proscribed at MOS:LEAD, they are permissible and shouldn't be removed.
At WP:Tools/Navigation popups#Options is popupPreviewKillTemplates which has a default of true but if set to false, and if one believes the documentation, would at least show the templates as wikitext. You might try that.
Trappist the monk (talk) 22:48, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

GOCE coordinator elections[edit]

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December 2014 GOCE newsletter[edit]

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Drive: Thanks to everyone who participated in November's Backlog Elimination Drive. Of the 43 people who signed up for this drive, 26 copy edited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

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