User talk:Ianmacm

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re: Sadowitz quote

"(rv, not really relevant. This was the usual showbiz gossip at the time; if he had specific information, he should have gone to the police)"

Curious as to why the John Lydon quote fits the criteria for inclusion but not the (more outspoken and direct) Jerry Sadowitz quote? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcarax68 (talkcontribs) 11:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure that the Lydon quote is relevant either. The best thing is to take this up on the talk page. I also thought that the material was too long, leading to undue weight. It could be shortened to something like "entertainment industry figures such as John Lydon and Jerry Sadowitz made allegations about Savile while he was alive" and leave the rest to the citations. It is unlikely that either of them had heard more than the routine gossip about Savile.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:38, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

James Foley (photojournalist)[edit]

Hi. I just wanted to point out that I added the {{Recent death}} template to the James Foley article because there have been more than 50 edits since yesterday by at least a dozen different editors, therefore I felt its use was justified. So that I know for the future, when is this template considered to be necessary? Thanks --Adam Black talkcontribsuploadslogs 18:10, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

There is a tendency to overuse this template. Foley's death was reported on 20 August, and as a general rule 24 hours is enough for this template. Wikipedia articles have a constant editing process, and nothing dramatically new has emerged about Foley's death in the last 24 hours. Sometimes there is a "Hold the front page!" stampede when multiple editors try to edit the article at the same time, with new edits on a minute by minute basis by dozens of different editors, often inexperienced IP editors. James Foley (photojournalist) has not had this type of editing in the past 24 hours, and it has been mostly by experienced regular editors. This means that the recent death template is not really needed.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:30, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification :) --Adam Black talkcontribsuploadslogs 18:36, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

2001: A Space Odyssey (film)[edit]

May I inquire about the 2001 edit? I am not sure I understand "unnecessary explanation. It is simple and reasonable to say that there is no dialogue in the ape sequence".

1) But there _IS_ dialogue in the first 20 minutes, just not modern human dialogue. It is not an issue of "do you or I understand the spoken language in those first 20 minutes?" The issue is: "do the _characters_ understand it?" Language is language, dialogue is dialogue. I do not speak "ape" but I will not deny they speak to each other. When the Russians speak in Russian on the space station I do not understand it but I do not claim there is no dialogue. The creatures in e.g. Quest for Fire speak a language; e.g. Sid Caesar in skits on his television show speaks mock languages no one who watches the show understands but it is still "language" and thus dialogue because characters in the skits understand it. Do you see my point? (To deny there is dialogue here misses a point of the movie. I know Wikipedia is to be neutral and I refrain from presenting an interpretation here which demonstrates how relevant that "dialogue" is; I merely assert that to deny there is language and thus dialogue in that part of the movie factually misrepresents the movie.)

2) One very specific reason 2001 is peculiar among movies is because of how little modern human dialogue it has. And that is exactly what the "Dialogue" section promises to discuss, yes?

"Alongside its use of music, the lack of dialogue and conventional narrative cues in 2001 has been noted by many reviewers."

They note it and so do I. I agree with the observation: the film is peculiar for that reason. (I think the film's dialogue is fascinating and frequently funny, regardless of its amount. E.g. "Good morning, sir"--but there is no such thing as morning in outer space. She and the other character drag Earth-bound worldviews with them into space.)

But the film is peculiar for a great many other reasons too; should each and every one of them--many of which are just as factual and even more astonishingly peculiar than the film's amount of dialogue--be included too? Why should this inaccurate observation in the "Dialogue" section remain? Why should the "Dialogue" section--which is partially dependent upon the inaccuracy--itself remain? What is its purpose? Is it there merely to document this one assertion, that the film has little dialogue? It is not a general discussion of language, speech or communication in the film--including the voice print ID, the signs, the machine instructions, etc.--but it focuses implicitly only upon spoken English. And it is odd if not wrong in other ways, e.g. the line "Hal is the only character in the film who openly expresses anxiety" is clearly false in the broader context of communication because "expresses anxiety" is not the equivalent of "says in English he is afraid". We clearly see the man-apes being fearful. We just don't hear them say the equivalent of "Dave, I'm afraid" in English.

Would you be willing to compromise to change the section's name from "Dialogue" to "[Modern] [English] Speech"? Or to prune those two paragraphs in other ways? Perhaps the section should only contain the "By the time shooting began" comment?

Why is there a need to maintain a fiction about the first 20 minutes? Does the film become less great because of it? The entire point of the "Dialogue" section is to discuss the dialogue in the movie, whether it has a lot or a little. One might construe your edit to be a dogmatic attempt to favor an error, as if it were necessary to pretend there was no dialogue in that part of the movie to protect the movie's greatness and uniqueness, or to protect the opinions of others. (There are other movies made in the sound era with even less dialogue. The amount of dialogue in a movie is irrelevant to its value.) Surely I have misinterpreted your purpose.

I think it may be simple but it is also unreasonable and inaccurate to write "there there is no dialogue in the ape sequence".

Thank you.

royfleming — Preceding unsigned comment added by Royfleming (talkcontribs) 22:05, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I was going by the usual meaning of dialogue, which according to the article in question, is "a literary and theatrical form consisting of a written or spoken conversational exchange between two or more people." It is clear that nothing of this nature occurs in 2001 until the space station sequence. The apes grunt and shout, but I have never been able to figure this out as being intended as dialogue, and it is unclear whether Kubrick or Clarke intended this. There is some original research here, because it would require a source to argue that the sounds made by the apes are intended as dialogue. This should be reasied at Talk:2001: A Space Odyssey (film) for broader input and consensus.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:52, 6 September 2014 (UTC)


added HW informational website — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akemaschite (talkcontribs) 16:07, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Re this edit: the link added to the infobox is not the official address, so it is unsuitable for this location. It also has questionable relevance as an external link, as it does not appear to be affiliated to the site in any way, and should not give this impression.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


Fixed wrong url, check it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akemaschite (talkcontribs) 06:41, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal[edit]

Not wanting to give you more work, but do you have Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal on your watchlist? I seem to be fighting a lone battle there.... Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:05, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

It was not on my watchlist but it has been added.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:29, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm grateful that User:Martinevans123 is looking at it as well. Ongoing debate(s) on the talk page. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:54, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
As if I would ever be stalking Ian's Talk Page! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:01, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Amityville poster.jpg[edit]


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Fixed, this was removed in a vandal edit here.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:33, 12 September 2014 (UTC)