User talk:IronGargoyle

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Help with article Glossary of Belly Dance Terms[edit]

Hi! I saw that you had contributed to the article on Belly Dance. I have created an article “Glossary of Belly Dance Terms” because many of my dance students have been asking for it. I am new to Wikipedia and I was hoping that you would be able to help out by contributing or helping with formatting (I need that!) or adding citations. Thanks! MonicaDance (talk) 21:22, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate the thought, but it's likely that I only contributed by reverting vandalism. There are not many things I know less about than Belly Dancing, lol. It seems like a decent start. Adding incoming links from other pages and adding categories seems like a good next step. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 11:38, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Head's up[edit]

Hey, just wanted to let you know that I extended the block on User:Ignitepictures because it looked to be the name of one of the companies involved with the movies. I wanted to let you know just so I didn't step on your toes or anything. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 03:06, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

No problem. It seems like a good block extension. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 11:39, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Redlinks, II[edit]

Guidance on redlinks at the Beer in New Zealand page? That's almost entirely unsourced redlinks. I'm happy to trim it back, but wanted to get your judgment on that. Prof. Mc (talk) 11:41, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I think they should be removed. I'll probably get to them at some point if you don't. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 13:49, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Done. <It's a lazy Monday>. Prof. Mc (talk) 14:08, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Message to IronGargoyle[edit]

With modesty i wanted to ask wich of the parts that i edited in the Jiro Ono page where not needed. Even though i saw these edits as a inprovment to the info that was provided by this page. that is why i reverted it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:26, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm not sure. I reverted your IP address on another page (Billy Joel). This may or may not have been you. Sometimes multiple people use the same IP address. I didn't revert your edits to Jiro Ono. That was another editor. You will have to ask them. IronGargoyle (talk) 01:05, 27 May 2014 (UTC).

Waste of our time[edit]

You cannot claim to be a complete novice to Wikipedia, so I assume you're pet peeve is "red links in lists of people" and just don't care about niceties like WP:DIS or WP:TALK nor if a list is carefully supervised or a random opportunity for people to add their name to. You've forgotten that you've pulled your dragnet through the list of oboists before, in August and November 2012 and June 2013, also without ever leaving a word on the talk page. Though it has been a lot of work creating a reasonable list like this and keeping it clean over time, I'd taken those assaults largely on the chin (it costs just too much time) and, among the 44 deleted contemporary artists, I only reinserted 6 (just some of the most outrageous ones, like Ray Still, who now has an article). Your standards seem to have changed for the worse and, while you're only at the letter H, you've deleted 47 more contemporary oboists, only 1 postdating your last purge. What gives? Are you gonna delete Ray Still again?

The first time you came by you deleted all 50 or so red-linked oboists with a reference to an article in the Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians, making you a club of one thinking that that is not a reliable source. Since you admit to not having any knowledge on the subject, why would anyone have faith in you deciding what link provided is and isn't a reliable source? For example, you discount third person bios on famous orchestra and conservatory/music school sites. Oboists generally are not celebrities; while playing first or indeed second chair for the Berlin, Concertgebouw or even the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra compares to being in the starting lineup for an NBA team, it may be impossible to find a what you would call independent biography online. You now also don't accept non-English Wikipedia bios; pray tell me where in WP:LISTPEOPLE it says that a page like Sandro Caldini makes one worth including in the list while, say, a page like de:Emanuel Abbühl doesn't (I've left the obviously just self-promoting Wikipedia (English or otherwise) bios off the list already). If you find dead links, you could try to follow WP:LR and fix or simply tag those, rather than deleting the whole line. If you find a source dubious, you can tag it as well and give other people a chance to improve on it, with above limitations in mind. Since these are such basic Wikipedia guidelines, my guess is that you've made your own interpretation of WP:LISTPEOPLE that overrules them all. Afasmit (talk) 23:17, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't mean any offence, but the list is in terrible shape. WP:LISTPEOPLE is very straightforward. Entries on lists of people need to be bluelinks or redlinks with reliable sources that speak to their notability. If the list entry has an article and is an oboist, it obviously wouldn't be deleted. So, no, I won't be deleting Ray Still. You'll notice that I also studiously avoided deleting the Grove Dictionary entries. I am deleting entries that don't have an article on the English Wikipedia and don't have independent reliable sources (in other words, I remove redlinks with only faculty bios, personal websites, record company bios, etc.) IronGargoyle (talk) 00:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Recent edits to List of Jamaican record producers[edit]

Information.svg Hello, and thank you for your recent contributions. I appreciate the effort you made for our project, but unfortunately I had to undo some of your edit(s) because I believe the article was better before you made that change. Feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. Thank you! (talk) 18:14, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Please review the WP:LISTPEOPLE guideline. Entries in lists of people should have Wikipedia articles already, or they should have independent, reliable sources which verify their notability and membership in the category. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:47, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[edit]

The IP that you threatened to block without warning for adding false information to articles here is at it again. I'd take him to ANI except for the fact that he hasn't actually received a full suite of warning templates. Note that this user has, in the past, added the same sorts of nonsense to many of the same articles from dynamic IPs in the range. Deor (talk) 13:11, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Reply:June 2014[edit]

Yeah, sorry about that. I was trying to revert vandalism, and I accidentally undid your revision. McCann27 (talk) 23:05, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Not a problem. IronGargoyle (talk) 01:21, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Your reversion at Pir Sadardin[edit]

This IP is copying text into multiple articles from [1]. I'll block him shortly. Dougweller (talk) 16:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Could you please check this issue of paid editing out and possibly block certain users and/or IP addresses[edit]

I strongly believe that employees of Advisorshares, and/or Arrow Invesment Advisors are editing the “Advisorsshares” and Wikipedia pages. First of all, Advisorshares and Arrow Invesment are both based in Maryland and there have been an unusual amount of ip edits in the history sections that come from near both firms headquarters in Maryland according to Wikipeida’s suggested geotag sites. In fact one edit on the page from March 20, 2014 traced back to ARROW INVESTMENT ADVISORS using the WHOIS tool. Other IP address from around Advisorshares’ headquarters in Bethesda Maryland, include:

A username “AdvisorShares” made an edit before it was banned on Feb. 14, There’s a large possibility that this was a paid employee of Advisorshares trying to put an ‘official’ entry, which is just firm marketing material. This account was quickly blocked by IronGargoyle. These two usernames seem to be sock puppets of the same user (probably an Advisorshares or employee): UserNameUnderContruction which edited the “Advisorshares” page and “ETFinvestor” which edited the page. They deleted basically the same sentence on May 26 and May 27 respectively. On the Advisorshares history it took away 331 bytes in the history and on the page it took away 337 bytes. Other possible sock puppets of this same user include, Babylon1894 and Jigsaw574 UserNameUnderConstruction has been warned twice on their talk page that if they are a paid employee of a company whose page they are editing, they need to declare it. Both times they avoid answering if they are a paid employee or representative and claim that other users can’t make such assumptions.Tempuser788 (talk) 19:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

There could very well be something shady going on, but I would suggest that you take this over to WP:SPI. I don't have the technical tools to investigate on the technical end of things (I'm not a checkuser), and I don't have the patience to get into a detailed behavioral investigation. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 16:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)


          • sorry couldnt figure out how to send you a new message*****

is there anyway you can add that the romanians are or have been known to be gypsies for 24 hours please — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:31, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on the demographics of Eastern Europe, but I don't think that's accurate. There are certainly Roma people in Romania, but all Romanians are not Roma (or Gypsies). Anything you add should have a verifiable, reliable source. If you don't have that, it shouldn't be added to the article. IronGargoyle (talk) 16:04, 24 June 2014 (UTC)


CUT IT OUT! I CENSORED THE F-WORD FOR A REASON! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt200055 (talkcontribs) 18:49, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Please review WP:NOTCENSORED. Wikipedia does not censor material simply because it is offensive. This is particularly true in direct quotations where fidelity to the source is important. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:58, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Universal Community Calendar[edit]

Hi, you removed an external link to 'Universal Community Calendar' but also the whole reference to it I realise now that it's best if I create a proper Wiki page for the calendar and link to that I've literally just signed up so if you could link me to a template page I can use to create the page that would be great thanks Litmusafreeman (talk)LitmusLitmusafreeman (talk)

My suggestion would be to head over to Articles for Creation. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:24, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Mash Brewery[edit]

Mash Brewing Company is not a redlink, need to refresh and have a look again. Dan arndt (talk) 06:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:39, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Heaven Sent Gaming[edit]

Heaven Sent Gaming was just recreated by the same new user who filed the DRV. I realize that you said that there were no official restrictions on the recreation of the article, but surely this has reached the point of disruption by now? The article was deleted through proper process, recreated, speedily deleted, challenged at DRV, and upheld. How many times do we have to go through this process before the article is finally salted? NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:44, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

It seems as though the situation has resolved itself for now. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:40, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Sevan Nişanyan[edit]

You need to undo all the deletes to this page and the redirects. The article Sevan Nişanyan has been an around for awhile. A user has moved it to User talk:Sevan Nisanyan. This is the second time it has happened. Bgwhite (talk) 17:34, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

The page wasn't deleted, the cross-space redirects were. The article was terrible, was a likely autobiography and seems to have only been around since the end of June. I see my actions as being an WP:IAR version of WP:CSD#G7. As no content was deleted, however, you're certainly welcome to move that content back to mainspace if you feel it is of suitable quality. IronGargoyle (talk) 17:41, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
The page was moved to a non-existent user talk page. If you see it as G7, then delete the talk page or move it to the creating user's sandbox. You are now the 7th person in the last 24-hours to use IAR. So far, biographies don't need refs and I don't have to follow accessibility guidelines and changing referencing scheme to another one take the top 3. fyi... quality is not a reason for deletion. Bgwhite (talk) 17:58, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
How is the fact that I'm the 7th person in 24 hours to use IAR in any way relevant? IAR is a core Wikipedia policy. I said politely that you're welcome to move it back. The fact that it's a biography of a living person without reliable sources is indeed a reason for deletion though. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
I've moved the page to Draft:Sevan Nisanyan to address your other concern. Do with the page what you will. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:07, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I wasn't directing my IAR comment towards yours. Just stating the unusually high number and some of the lame reasons. Thought it might interest you. I should have phrased it better. I apologize. Bgwhite (talk) 21:04, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

RE: Life of female electronic musicians[edit]

" If a person in a list does not have a Wikipedia article about them, a citation (or link to another article) must be provided to: a) establish their membership in the list's group; and b) to establish their notability on either BLP1E or BIO1E." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chloe.stamper (talkcontribs) 23:08, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't establish that the musicians themselves are notable. It simply establishes that the groups are notable. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:12, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
How is that justification for their exclusion from this list? Numerous musicians on this list do not have their own page and are only referenced on a group or band page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chloe.stamper (talkcontribs) 23:37, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
If you'll notice, the entries I left are still linked to the musician. The "regular" name is not linked, but the second name is linked to a stage name or a solo act which is primarily about the individual musician. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:42, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Ivor Callely[edit]

Dear Iron Gargoyle, I see that about five or six minutes ago you reverted my changes about Ivor Callely the Irish former politician who, yesterday, was jailed for five months for fraud. I would never make any unfounded remark on the Internet about anyone. I have to go now but I will revise the article later this evening with links to Irish newspapers referring to both the case and Mr. Callely's imprisonment, which happened yesterday.

CHRISTIAN MORRIS,. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christianmorris (talkcontribs) 19:15, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Be careful while doing so that you don't give undue weight to the event. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:19, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Message to Iron Gargoyle[edit]

I understand your concern. My intention is not to commercialize the information I am trying to add. My concern is that there are a few other bands under the moniker SubRosa, and they should be differentiated from one another. I am absolutely fine with adding the information and leaving out the link. Do you find that acceptable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:10, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps the best course of action is to create a wikipedia page just for this particular band, as they are becoming more well-known and want to avoid any other musical acts being mistaken for them. If you have the time and are so inclined, would you help me in this endeavor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:41, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

If coverage of the band can be found in reliable, independent sources, sure you can write an article. If not, they should not be mentioned on Wikipedia at all. IronGargoyle (talk) 15:18, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Rocky Mountain Radar[edit]

Do you really think that the way it is now is neutral it is all negative from the companies past. All this is coming from the narrow minded view of a man named radar roy a self proclaimed radar expert. Who in reality is on the board of Bell a competitor of rocky mountain radar. by all means make the changes if you want but I don't agree with you for pulling down my neutral revision. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:04, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

You had it written like an advertisement. You should also review the Wikipedia conflict of interest guideline. IronGargoyle (talk) 15:16, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Template:Historical information needed[edit]

Lower to semi-protection? I can't ask Anomie because s/he may seem reluctant to read my requests, as s/he did to template:prose. --George Ho (talk) 23:49, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

It's a bit unclear why Anomie responded with confusion about your asking, but the advice given is still sound. I am hesitant to change the protection level for a couple of reasons: First of all, Anomie was the last administrator to change the protection. Second, I think a template of this usage level should be more than semi-protected. If you just want to edit this particular template, I would bring up the change on the template's talk page. Alternatively, you can follow Anomie's advice and request a protection change at WP:RFPP. Or, you can request the template editor user right if you want to do more template work than just this one. IronGargoyle (talk) 00:10, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Kidz Bop[edit]

I am not doing any vandalism i am just trying to improve the Kidz Bop 18 and 19 page but i have a solution let me make a quick edit to both pages and let me save them on my wikipedia app on my phone and change them back so I can keep my edits without violating anything i am doing us both a favor Silentsaul21 (talk) 21:54, 4 August 2014 (UTC).

The majority of your edits seem like they are trying to be helpful. The problem is that the information you're adding is really trivial and does not belong in an encyclopedia. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:06, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

That's why I will delete them afterwards please trust me Silentsaul21 (talk) 21:49, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey douchebag[edit]

I indeed have a source for those changes. All by a PI who was on the case of the murder. Suck on that — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:10, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Please review WP:RS and WP:NPA. IronGargoyle (talk) 00:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

You've got mail![edit]

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Milodarka Cicimil[edit]

Hello IronGargoyle. I have observed you have implemented a number of warnings on this editors page. Not long ago I reported the editor to WP:AIV. Beyond the harassment on the other editors talkpage, the account is a vandalism only account with the purpose of only seeking to create disruption. Warrants instant action. TF92 (talk) 00:24, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Blocked. When I went into the user's edit history, it was indeed clear that the account was vandalism-only. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 00:29, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Possible sockpuppetry going on here? [2] TF92 (talk) 00:33, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
There's a bit of overlap in terms of when the edits were happening. Otherwise, it certainly looks like it. IronGargoyle (talk) 00:36, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Barnstar of Reversion Hires.png The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For removal of all the eh... "love" from my talk page :) —Frosty 00:34, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Not a problem. Thanks for the barnstar! IronGargoyle (talk) 00:37, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Fields Medal[edit]

Il n'y a jamais eu 18 médaillés Fields US , vos décomptes sont faux !

Je sais bien que votre patriotisme , en ces temps de décadence US , a besoin de se rassurer : soyez gentils de respecter la simple vérité !

US = 13

France = 13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:16, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


The user vandalizing the Cadillac article is a sockpuppet of User:Altimgamr. Please block. Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 19:18, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Someone else seems to have beat me to it. IronGargoyle (talk) 19:24, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

A link you should see[edit] — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:32, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


Is the Rolling Stone considered a reliable source? Lysergic Casserole (talk) 18:08, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

I was under the impression that since you undid the edit you simply restored the content as it was before. This wasn't the case, but it still seems to be undue weight to the remarks in question. IronGargoyle (talk) 15:42, 20 August 2014 (UTC)