User talk:Isaacl

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What to do[edit]

@Go Phightins!: MelanieN just e-mailed to tell that the next recepient fore EotW is up for RfA. and one of his nominators is Kudpung so we want to do it right. Thoughts? . Buster Seven Talk 17:49, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

He is next weeks EotW/. GoP agrees we should award anyway. . Buster Seven Talk 20:11, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
For better or worse, it seems the assignment of the administrative privileges will likely happen around the same time as the next Editor of the Week is announced. Following the recognition guidelines, I suggest we pass over the nominee, and suggest that the nominator find an appropriate barnstar to award, accompanied with an appreciative note. isaacl (talk) 20:16, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Regarding the type of work being recognized not falling under the realm of administrative duties, recall that the restriction is just a proxy for filtering out editors that have already received gratitude for their work. Someone on the cusp of receiving administrative privileges would fall under the same presumption of having been well-recognized for their contributions. isaacl (talk) 20:21, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps but I am not sure that, seeing as someone nominated him for thinking he met the criteria probably more than a month ago, now it is fair for us to go back and say that because he is now an admin and has received consequent recognition, we are not giving him the award. I see your point, Isaac, about the presumption of having been well-recognized, but if he had not been up for adminship, we would not have been having this conversation, so I think it is fair to just award it anyway and move on. Go Phightins! 10:51, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
I agree w/ GoP. Respecting the nominators wishes is important. But...then proper timing becomes an issue. The convergence of the Awarding and his RfA conclusion could be handled by presenting the award Saturday or very early Sunday...so as not to create the "which came first" problem. . Buster Seven Talk 15:32, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't think the order matters; whether or not the "lesser-known" criterion is satisfied doesn't depend on the Editor of the Week recognition being given first. I may not personally like it, but as there was no agreement on how to enforce the lesser-known criterion, it's become more a strongly encouraged guideline. isaacl (talk) 16:53, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
The order WILL matter to someone (a former member of this project) who was and is an administrator and is a stickler for what EotW does wrong. If we give the award first there can be no criticism that we awarded an administrator.. . Buster Seven Talk 19:09, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
In my opinion, giving the recognition first will not insulate it from criticism regarding the lesser-known criterion. Unfortunately I have no ideas at the moment regarding how to improve matters, in part because my views on the importance of this criterion differ from others involved. It's not a matter of one side being right and the other wrong; it's just a disagreement on goals and how to achieve them, coupled with practical limitations due to a lack of volunteers. Optimistically, I chose to believe that this initiative could attract sufficient helpers to assist with screening based on the lesser-known criterion, but in retrospect, perhaps I should have proposed a more objective criterion to narrow the scope of potential recipients (such as number of edits, months since first edit, or something else similar). isaacl (talk) 19:23, 5 May 2015 (UTC)