User talk:Isaacl

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Primus inter pares (short form: Primus)[edit]

I just now added the coordinators for the project to the "pact' page. While there I read the following:
A project this large needs volunteers who are willing to help maintain the project and provide a neutral voice in disputes. As such, a group of initially 4 editors will be created to serve this function with the official title "Primus". This number may grow as the need grows, by majority vote of all Project Members. Primus will have no special powers or authority and their duties will be limited to determining consensus, closing discussions, maintaining primary pages, templates and other wiki-related aspects of the project, providing guidance and assistance and helping coordinate subprojects and events.

  • I think you, @Go Phightins!:Go P, myself and a fourth editor (to be determined0 should consider creating this "Primus" function. Dennis planned for the future and the future is now. I also think you should be one of the coordinators but that is an other issue. Thoughts? . Buster Seven Talk 17:01, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
    • The "Pact" page did not gain consensus approval, and Dennis abandoned it after opposition. As much as I'd like someone to be able to sift through conversations and keep them on track, from what I can tell, most of the Wikipedia community either doesn't favour this, or hasn't had enough experience with effective group dynamics to understand its value. There are some WikiProjects that have worked well with a few members taking charge (for example, although there are a few dissenters, I think most people involved in the featured article process are content to defer to the judgments made by its co-ordinators), but most of them seem to want to have free-ranging discussions to talk about everything. (And to be fair, most projects probably don't need any co-ordinators, which can make it harder for some people to appreciate the scenarios where they would be useful.) So in my opinion, I don't think bringing the "Pact" page back into the limelight will lead to any productive change. isaacl (talk) 19:12, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Fair Enough. I just thought that maybe with those that want to separate EotW from WER "at the gate" , we three might get Dennis's blessing to our role as Leaders. I never saw the Primus mention back then so it was new to me today. As Rosanne Rosanadana might say, "Nevermind!" . Buster Seven Talk 20:08, 29 January 2015 (UTC) DRATS! I was just starting to create my PRIMUS COAT of ARMS and order some nice velvet slippers from Hammacher-Schlemmer. . Buster Seven Talk 20:18, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
The thing is Dennis's only method for exerting leadership was through moral suasion, as a consequence of being one of the key founders of the project. As far as I can tell, no one else has a comparable lever to use to persuade others to align with a common set of objectives. (Taking the Teahouse as an example, Steven Zhang was also able to use his founder status to foster agreement, but since he stepped back, I don't believe anyone else has filled the same role.)
Now for Editor of the Week, where there is a degree of day-to-day, ongoing activity to sustain the initiative, I do think you have leverage for guiding the direction of the program. Those who put in the time get to do the crime, or something like that :-P. However, as you know, everything is subject to what a consensus of people want to do. But unless a whole bunch of people show up who are willing to put in the work to do things differently, and for some reason want to use the "Editor of the Week" name instead of creating a new name, I don't think there is much danger of a consensus decision to make drastic changes. (A consensus could decide to shut it down, but I don't think that's going to happen either, since I don't believe a case can be made that the award is actively harmful.) isaacl (talk) 20:27, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Isaac, you have eased my mind. It's like someone is attacking my adolescent child and I need to DO something to protect it. But, as you hint, many times doing nothing is the best course of action. . Buster Seven Talk 22:05, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


Thanks Isaac. I'm so glad you're watching! TRA! . Buster Seven Talk 17:41, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

RfC - Helper Script access[edit]

An RfC has been opened at RfC to physically restrict access to the Helper Script. You are invited to comment. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:30, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

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Can this template help?[edit]

Somewhere a while back we had a discussion about how threads get off-track at WER and how the original good idea is lost rather than fertilized. I call it "getting lost in the cow pasture". The talk just roams around with cows (editors) adding more and more cow pies to the already overflowing (and lost) mess. Would something like this template be a tool we could utilize:

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Relisting comment: While your participation is valued, please allow us to return to the original editors query. Thank you, Buster Seven Talk 22:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, . Buster Seven Talk 22:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

or something like that. I just saw it for the first time, being used somewhere else and thought it might be something we could benefit from. . Buster Seven Talk 22:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)