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Khalsa[edit]

Please read up on the topic its obvious you have no knowledge of the Khalsa. Guru Hargobind, the 6th Sikh Guru clearly stated that if a Sikh doesn't have weapons that Sikh should not visit him and that Sikh is not his Sikh. Even today if you go into almost any Gurdwara you will see swords, spears etc infront of the Guru Granth Sahib as signs of respect. In the Harminder Sahib there are guards with spears. Every baptized Sikh must have a kirpan, a small dagger at all times, and your saying that baptized Sikhs cant come into their own places of worship?

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Jujhar.pannu (talk) 04:33, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

There's a difference between symbolically carrying a kirpan spears etc. and using a Gurdwara as an armed fortress. Khalsa is a strictly religious term, and is defined as "the collective body of all initiated Sikhs". All initiated Sikhs did not participate in this battle, and many of them did not agree with Bhindranwale. It's an extremely vague and potentially offensive generalization, and it erroneously implies that this battle was the Indian Army vs Sikhism. JDiala (talk) 06:59, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
The armed fortress part makes no sense because their are Ramgarhia Bunga's in the Harmandir Sahib Complex are clearly put there for militaristic purposes. That's incorrect definition of Khalsa. The fact is the Indian Govt were trying to suppress Sikhs by doing this attack and other violent methods technically does make this a war with the Sikhs and the Indian Government but it is not a sikhs duty to fight back it is a Khalsa's duty to fight back so there for its not all that weird that it says Indian Government on one side and Khalsa on the other side. Jujhar.pannu (talk) 18:36, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
There's no evidence that the government was trying to suppress the Sikhs. When you have an armory with foreign weapons, including rocket launchers, in a place of worship that thousands of people visit daily, it's the government's duty to perform such an operation. They were not necessarily representative of the Khalsa in general, and calling it that is a vague generalization offensive to all baptized Sikhs who did not support Bhindranwale. JDiala (talk) 03:45, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Your wrong there is heaps and heaps of evidence that the entire Sikh culture was being repressed think why was Punjabi not allowed to be taught in any public school in Punjab between 1947 and 1966? That time the Harminder Sahib, or Golden temple was invaded by police in 1955 and the head jathedar of Akal Takht were arrested for a peaceful Punjabi Suba movement. The civilians were beaten and shot at and the army entered the place of worship with shoes and paraded around amirtsar for 3 days just to put the message that the Sikhs are second class citizens in India and that they are not allowed to peacefully protest. Sikhi allows weapons in its Gurdwaras and the Revolutionaries of 1984 were threatened for their safety and kept those weapons for Self-defense. Jujhar.pannu (talk) 18:03, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

That has nothing to do with this operation. If you can conclusively prove with a WP:Reliable source that this operation was the Indian Army v. Sikhism, and the belligerents were representative of the whole khalsa and everyone in it, then I maybe I will take you seriously. The "revolutionaries" cannot keep foreign-made military grade weapons, including RPGS in an area that thousands of people visit daily. This group of "revolutionaries" who were actually terrorists that on numerous occasions slaughtered buses full of hindus and assassinated Nirankari leaders were not representative of the entire Khalsa.JDiala (talk) 11:18, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
The Akal Takht represents the entire Khalsa Jujhar.pannu (talk) 17:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Re: Edit War[edit]

You're getting yourself embroiled in an edit war on Operation Blue Star. If I took further action you would be blocked as you have already breached WP:3RR, however, I'm giving you a chance to discuss on the talk page with editors. Thanks SH 13:04, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

August 2013[edit]

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Talk on my Page[edit]

Hi Fellow editor, Let me explain my reason for my actions. The other two editors engaged with you stopped short of 3rd reverts. You've done far more than 3 in a 24 hour period. Secondly, I agree with you on the Khalsa issue but not the Civilian Casualties. The civilian casualties issue at Operation Blue Star is a central reoccuring issue from Human Rights groups and journalists. At the time of the operatiion a big play was made as to this operation was being taken against Militants and terrorist (terrorists incidently Gandhi herself created). The analogy I would use would be the SAS storming the Iranian Embassy siege not a battle during war in Stalingrad. I've read through the article, and there is a section and many references to civilian casualties, and the reason for this was they stormed it during the celebration of the birthday of a Sikh Guru when 1000's of piligrims would be there. That is why the civilian casualties but should stay. On a side note it wasn't only Sikh Militants who fought, the Nihang Sikh's who are guardians of the temple fought as well. Not because they supported Bhindranwala, but because it's their instinct to fight any invaders. Thanks SH 17:46, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

The Iranian Embassy Siege section DOES have a section on losses and cites hostages i.e. civilians, and you keep refering this to a battle. It wasn't a battle. It was a military Operation to flush out Militants (same as the Iranian Embassy Siege) but on a larger scale. The Indian Army however, got it horribly wrong and were forced to use much heavier equipment. The reality is from all Independent accounts many Civilians lost their lives. Whether I am Sikh or not is irrelevant. I used to be a Hindu as well, is that relevant? I always respect WP:NPOV. General Brar is one source there are other sources that contradict him like General SK Sinha. I suggest WP:Mediation as I don't think you are willing to give way on this point, but I must warn you that this version of this article has come aout through WP:Mediation and WP:Consensus. Thanks SH 06:51, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

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Regarding the use of specific words on Operation Blue Star article[edit]

Hi, I started discussion on the talk page regarding the use of specific words in the info box. I think we should discuss this case on the one place (talk page of article) rather than talk page(s) of individual editors. Hopefully, we will find solution via WP:Consensus. Thanks Theman244 (talk) 22:33, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

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History of the world[edit]

  • Hello! I completely agree with your thinking that the title and content of "History of the world" do not match. Unfortunately, this has been a sort of deadlocked situation for years. Just look at this page: Talk:History of the world under the section "Requesting your help at History of Earth" and the section below it. People are opposing and supporting a name change left and right in those sections! The main arguments for those opposed to name changes are that (a) there is no name that they really like better and (b) the phrase "history of the world" is apparently traditionally used to refer exclusively to human history in the English language (like how maybe in secondary school you had a "World History" class that really should have been called "World History of Relatively Recent Human Civilizations"). How anthropocentric our language has been historically! Wolfdog (talk) 05:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

UNHCR claim[edit]

I see you referenced the UNHCR claim to this document. I've had a quick read through, and I can't find where it says that the majority are legitimate asylum seekers. Could you point me to the specific bit? Thanks, Number 57 12:42, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I can't even see where it says most are asylum seekers. Number 57 12:59, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
We can't assume anything. I'll remove the UNHCR bit and leave it at the NGOs. Number 57 13:15, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, but it doesn't say anything about "most". Number 57 15:51, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
But then all the report is saying is that there are asylum seekers coming, so isn't relevant to a sentence about whether most of the arrivals are asylum seekers or not. Can we keep this together on the article's talk page, rather than disjoined here? I am going to copy across all the comments. Thanks, Number 57 16:39, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Israel article[edit]

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Previous accounts[edit]

Hi Did you edited previously under any other username?--Shrike (talk) 09:23, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

@Shrike: No. Why? JDiala (talk) 10:11, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
The area of WP:ARBPIA is contentious area many people were restricted anyhow as you editing the area you should aware of editing restrictions.--Shrike (talk) 10:34, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
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'2014 Israel–Gaza conflict' name change[edit]

Please participate the discussion. Thanks. Mhhossein (talk) 11:33, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

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Amnesty reports[edit]

Are these news (1, 2 and 3) reflected in 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict? Mhhossein (talk) 13:38, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

@Mhhossein: Don't see why they would be necessary. We already have the actual report cited, what's the point of news reports? JDiala (talk) 21:59, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
I had not noticed the actual report. Where is it mentioned in the article? Mhhossein (talk) 05:25, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
@Mhhossein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict#Destruction_of_homes fourth paragraph. JDiala (talk) 06:18, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
There's no mention of "war crime" in this paragraph. While most of the news reports maintain that Israel is accused of war crime by this report. By the way, I reckon that the report its self is a Primary Source for this subject, isn't it?. Mhhossein (talk) 04:32, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
@Mhhossein:The report [I've read it] never explicitly accused accused Israel of war crimes; it used deliberately vague language to try and minimize the conclusions that should have been made as a result of its damning evidence (most likely for PR reasons). What the report actually says should be given credence over what news media, dishonest as they are, say it says, for the simple reason that the text of the report is directly available. It is not a primary source, moreover; it is a published secondary source by a WP:RS organization. JDiala (talk) 09:41, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The source is counted primary per ALLPRIMARY, so we have to find reliable secondary sources regrading this subject. Mhhossein (talk) 11:09, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

@Mhhossein: Well then you should start a discussion in the talk page as to how that should be done. It just seems odd to me that corroborating news reports, even though those news reports clearly misrepresent what was written in the report, should be given as much credence as the report itself. JDiala (talk) 16:21, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

perverse, POV Zionist narrative?[edit]

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Finkelstein's Antisemitism[edit]

I will appreciate it if you refer to my notes at [[1]]. thanks. Ykantor (talk) 07:18, 15 December 2014 (UTC)