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War horses

I don't know what to do with the doggone war horse dab. The Horses in warfare article was originally titled "war horse" and the title was changed years ago after some huge debate I have now (thankfully) forgotten. Now we have the issue of the movie, which is why someone (not me) moved the War horse redirect link from Horses in warfare to the film. Turning it into a capitalization issue isn't going to solve the real problem, which is the temporary popularity of the movie. I moved stuff to the lower case title, as to get the caps you have to search in caps. I guess I wonder (I don't favor it, but to avoid a dab or move war with the film fans) I wonder if "war horse" should be the dab page rather than the WP:PRIMARY page? What are your thoughts? Montanabw^(talk) 23:40, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

"War horse" is not an ambiguous title. "War Horse" and "Warhorse" are; the dab page might be titled either one of those, and "War Horse" has the plurality. I do not have a preference if War Horse (disambiguation) is moved to War Horse, however, if the idea is that there is no longer a primary topic for "War Horse". Cheers! -- JHunterJ (talk) 03:06, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

The nuances of this week's disambiguation policy make my eyes bleed. Whatever works, but the next time someone comes along and complains to me that it's title case instead of sentence case, you can deal with them, OK? Montanabw^(talk) 01:33, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Sure. I hadn't come across that issue before, but I can go leave a comment in the page if needed. Sorry for the nuisance -- wasn't my intention; I just came across the page as a WP:MALPLACED disambiguation. -- JHunterJ (talk) 02:49, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Had a move discussion/war a couple over whether the word "horse" was or was not an integral and inseparable part of a breed name and hence, to be capitalized. I am so tired of capitalization wars that I could puke. (American Quarter Horse is title case, because no one refers to them as a "Quarter", but Arabian horse is not, as people constantly just call them an "Arabian." There IS a logic to it, but go figure) Montanabw^(talk) 21:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Michael Palmer and disambiguation

Greetings! I saw that you reverted the changes I made to Michael Palmer and Michael Palmer (disambiguation). In my opinion, these are all prominent individuals, and therefore Michael Palmer should redirect to Michael Palmer (disambiguation). These are the page stats for November 2011:

1. Michael Palmer : 1577 pageviews
2. Michael Palmer (politician) : 1718 pageviews
3. Michael Palmer (musician) : 222 pageviews
4. Michael Palmer (Canadian football) : 504 pageviews
5. Michael Palmer (British Army officer) : 52 pageviews
6. Mick Palmer : 162 pageviews

The fact of the matter is all the individuals have received significant page views and therefore an article on one individual cannot be deemed as primary. Can you please reconsider your action? Thanks. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 11:34, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

But http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Michael_Palmer indicates that the poet may be primary. Since the changes you made resulted in a WP:MALPLACED disambiguation page (which is how it found me) and broke those links, I reverted. The pageviews do indicate that there may no longer be a primary topic; if so, the disambiguation page should be moved to the base name and the incoming links should be retargeted. Cheers! -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:33, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I have moved the disambiguation page to the base name and incoming links have been re-targeted to their appropriate biographies. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 12:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Lame

Bah! --MZMcBride (talk) 22:01, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, but I fixed it. -- JHunterJ (talk) 00:14, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Heh. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:17, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Eidos RfC

Hello, there is an RfC concerning the Eidos page in which you have shown interest in the past. This is a small notification in case you may wish to take part in the discussion. Salvidrim! 20:44, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

WP:AN mention

You were mentioned in a discussion at WP:AN; Wikipedia:AN#Should_editors_be_discouraged_from_asking_admins_to_justify_their_actions.3F --Born2cycle (talk) 17:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

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Dragon's teeth

After you cleaned up the dragon's teeth dab page and moved it from dragon's teeth (disambiguation) to dragon's teeth (and thanks for your work on that, btw), should dragon's teeth (disambiguation) now be deleted? It's just sitting there as a redirect. Engelhardt (talk) 06:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Possibly. If any page ever links to the page, it should use the redirect, per WP:INTDABLINK. In the past, I've seen unused such redirects deleted, and I've also seen such redirects be created by bots. -- JHunterJ (talk) 15:58, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello

You seemed a little annoyed at me at the Alphabet move request; I've withdrawn it now, anyway. I just wanted to say sorry if I came off as hostile, or something.. I didn't mean to. Mlm42 (talk) 19:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

The move request was fine (although I opposed it) -- I'm often annoyed by requests for evidence from only one side, but your response to my annoyance was greatly appreciated -- not hostile at all; my own apologies if my own annoyance was too harsh. Thanks and cheers! -- JHunterJ (talk) 20:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

ITV Companies Move

Hi JHunterJ,

With all due respect I think you may have jumped the gun a little bit with the ITV companies move. I feel that this is a complex issue and that there was insufficient debate at Talk:Yorkshire_Television#Requested_move to reach consensus on the move. Individual articles have been moved back and forth between the "ITV xxx" format and original company names over the last few years and I am concerned good faith attempts at consistency may well end up torn up before too long, all without real debate.

The crux of the problem is that, sadly, there is limited community surrounding ITV history on Wikipedia to form good consensus on this issue, which I feel is a unique one. I have been trying to raise a debate around (unfortunately with little interest) for a while now.

See [[1]] (sorry about bad link, somebody bodged the archiving) and Talk:ITV_Central#Requested_move for previous discussions I have tried to raise on this point.

My personal opinion (though I am willing to be challenged) is that many of the original company names (in particular those with long and varied histories such as Yorkshire and Granada Television) are of sufficient significance within UK broadcasting history to justify their own articles, and that although (e.g.) "ITV Yorkshire" and "ITV Granada" are nominally legal continuations of these companies, their histories under these titles are of far less encyclopaedic significance than when they were independent companies.

If you have any suggestion as to where to have a good debate and consensus on dealing with this issue could be, please let me know, because as far as I can see the whole issue at the moment is a complete mess. -- Fursday 01:09, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

The debate at Talk:Yorkshire Television#Requested move appeared to be a new consensus. The limited participation I took as a lack of preference one way or the other on the issue. Since that discussion was linked from the other impacted pages, it was a good place to have the debate and reach the consensus. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject British TV/Channels may be another to raise awareness if you disagree with the conclusion of that discussion, in preparation for subsequent move requests (either a full revert of my moves, or a partial of the ones with long histories). No offense will be taken -- I have no opinion of my own in this space. But I will say that perhaps a split of some of the information to articles like history of Yorkshire Television or history of Granada Television might be appropriate, if their original names hold their own encyclopedic significance. And thank you for the evenness of your note here -- it's quite welcome and appreciated. Cheers! -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:35, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Film titles

Hi, I noticed your talk on Disambiguation of TV film titles.

I've created a couple of templates, which I've intended to work even when contributors move article around:

• Template:Film show year
• Template:Film year

Both of them look for a Title (film year), or Title (film), or just Title. The link goes to whichever target is found first. The difference is that the first one shows the year in parentheses.

I hope this is not too technical. Here are some examples:

• On the Waterfront (1954)
• The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) - redirect
• Solaris (1972)
• Stagecoach (1939)
• Stagecoach (1966)
• The Ladykillers (1955)
• The Ladykillers (2004)
• Miracle on 34th Street (1947) - redirect
• Miracle on 34th Street (1994)
• The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946) - redirect
• The Postman Always Rings Twice (1981)
• The Crazies (1973)
• The Crazies (2010)

The nifty aspect of the template is that if someone moves the page, the redirect is automatically eliminated. For example, if we moved The Postman Always Rings Twice (film) to The Postman Always Rings Twice (1947 film), the template still finds the movie. --Uncle Ed (talk) 01:55, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Very nice! -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:27, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

"Some recent participants"

You apparently refer to me, but… it is really silly. Don't think that others behave disruptively only because they are on the opposite side of some edit wars. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 14:16, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

True. You were also apparently referring to others in the dab who were on the opposite side of some edit wars. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:18, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Science Museum

Having moved the dab to this title, I hope you are now going to fix all the incoming links, which a quick look suggests are mostly intended for the London museum to which they were being sent correctly when there was a redirect at this title. You made the move, please tidy up - I noted the need for this at the talk page. Thanks. PamD 07:15, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. That talk page is the right place for it. The group consensus is that the title was too generic, so the outcome of the group consensus is that the incoming links should be more specific. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

But will the "group" actually do any work to tidy up? PamD 12:18, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Actually the group consensus was only a decision not to move Science Museum (London) to Science Museum. The closing admin of the RM explicitly said "Whether Science Museum should be changed to a dab page or redirected to Science museum is a different discussion.". That discussion did not take place (the failed RM left the, admittedly illogical, status quo which had existed for 18 months at least). You have made a decision to rename the dab as Science Museum, so it is your responsibility to sort out the incoming links which now point to the dab page. But I see you have now at least started to do so, thanks. PamD 12:28, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. The statement of the conclusion there was too tepid, agreed, but the conclusion was that "Science Museum" is too generic. Everything else follows, as noted in the discussion. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:30, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thanks for fixing the Santorum disambig page that I was managing to mangle. It looks much better now! StvFetterly(Edits) 21:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! That's very welcome indeed! -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:45, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

A toast!

		Cheers!
		This glass is given to JHunterJ for a hearty and good-spirited debate in the name of consensus. Encycloshave (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Must be my week for beers. Thanks! -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC)