User talk:Jacklee/Maintenance: 2012 archive

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25 Singapore law/politics articles on GAN!

Greetings, Jacklee! You may be pleased to be informed that 25 articles about Singaporean law and politics, mostly written by you, have been nominated at GAN by uninvolved (and ironically named) user Kaypoh. If the reviews are handled well, the number of Singapore-related GAs would skyrocket. I have watchlisted all 25 articles and will try to address concerns by reviewers, but I am not a law expert, so I need your help. The considerable effort you put into writing these articles is clearly appreciated and with a little more effort, will be officially recognised with plenty of green plus signs! All the best in all your endeavours! --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 01:59, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

It's flattering that some of the articles I worked on have been nominated, but I think it was over-ambitious for Kaypoh to nominate so many articles for review. Is he or she planning to personally work on addressing the reviewers' concerns as regards all the articles? I doubt if I will have time over the next few months to work on more than one or two GAs. — Cheers, JackLee talk 11:52, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
If a nomination is placed on hold, the concerns are generally minor and would not take long to address. I will help with concerns that do not require legal expertise, but could you deal with those that do? Note that some nominations may pass without a hold. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:48, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Sure, let's see how it goes. I note that no one has started to review any of the articles yet. — Cheers, JackLee talk 17:12, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Group Representation Constituency is currently being reviewed and will probably be placed on hold, due to several dead links and statements without citations. I fixed a grammatical error that the reviewer pointed out, but I cannot help with the referencing issues as most of the references are offline. For you, who would be familiar with the sources you used to write the article, the citation issues should be pretty easy to deal with. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 13:13, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Not really. It might take some time to look up the references, which is why I wished Kaypoh had not nominated so many articles at one go, particularly since he or she doesn't appear to intend to help address reviewers' concerns (judging from the "Group Representation Constituency" article). I suggest that you leave a note on his or her user talk page advising against nominating such a large mass of articles at one go in the future, since most reviewers expect issues flagged up to be addressed within a week. — Cheers, JackLee talk 21:01, 12 January 2012 (UTC)



I have to disagree - I am from middle England, we have always used "a ewer". It is also the same on the Ewer page. Google (though I am not saying it is definitive) gives 45,200 "a ewer" and 17,700 "an ewer"

There are some words that begin with vowels that do not use that rule, such as "a european".

In fact, after re-reading your edit summary, you are exactly correct about the difference in pronunciation. Those words beginning in e that have a u sound are those which fit this particular exclusion to the rule - elephant is the "ehh" sound (as in edifice and ebony), ewer and university are "you" sounding Chaosdruid (talk) 14:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I think the difference of opinion is due to the way we pronounce the word ewer. I looked up the OED which states that it is pronounced /ˈjuːə(r)/ (YOO-er). I have been pronouncing it differently – /ˈiː(j)uːə(r)/ (EEYOO-er) – giving it an initial /iː/ vowel sound and thus making it different from words like European and university. Since the OED concurs with your pronunciation rather than mine, go ahead and revert my change. — Cheers, JackLee talk 15:34, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for that. Hopefully we can continue to find consensus in the wonderful world of Wiki :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 19:34, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for the 4/5-year-old herculean effort that yielded WP:UKNATIONALS.

Yesterday I read the protected 2007 discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies/2007-2008 archive: British nationality and skimmed much of the 2008. I disapprove most fancy signatures but I approve the "JackLee" you introduced midway, because for almost a year i read "Jackiee" (and the new one isn't very fancy).

The head and foot of that Biographies subpage archive are inadequate, because the header directs "back" to Biographies talk, the footer directs nowhere, and the discussion also continues at MOS talk. I do have it sorted out now for myself, but I think you should know.

I will make some substantial comment at WP:UKNATIONALS, probably not now because my Friday time is so limited --and I have mis-spent almost all of it :-(

P.S. Depending how much time you have to mis-spend, or how much the matter still grips you, my recent trail in Talk space might interest you. (WP England talk: British, English, etc ... ends by reporting that trail.)

Literary examples are featured, where there is some extra confusion because of the "English literature" anomaly, where the adjective refers both to England and to English language (Literature in English, Category:Literature in English). --P64 (talk) 20:13, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Template:Infobox sportsperson

Transferred to "Template talk:Infobox sportsperson#Addition of "Caps" parameter".

Singapore GAs

Thanks to the articles you sent me via Factiva, Ya Kun Kaya Toast has been rewritten and is undergoing peer review in preparation for a GA nomination. Could you help me search Factiva for the following? Feel free to do this in two sittings if the total number of articles is fairly large.

  • Articles containing "Association for Persons with Special Needs" or "Association for the Educationally Subnormal"
  • Articles containing "Singapore Association for the Visually Handicapped" or "Singapore Association for the Blind"
  • Articles containing "national pledge", Singapore sources only
  • Articles containing "Mas Selamat"

By the way, in 2012, there have been 18 new Singapore-related GAs so far, so we are in an excellent position to break the record of 22 new Singapore-related GAs in 2008.

--J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:59, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I am not in Singapore at the moment and will only be back next week. Let me look at this again when I am back. — Cheers, JackLee talk 21:42, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Are you back yet? The results for your search for "Ya Kun Kaya Toast" indicate that Factiva does include Chinese sources in its database. Thus could you also conduct a search for "陈伟联" (which would probably have a few hundred results, at most) and maybe "郑彦彦" (definitely less than a hundred results)? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 08:12, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
By the way, I contested a proposed deletion of Subhas Anandan and thought you may find it an interesting future project. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 17:26, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Sorry, no results for either "陈伟联" or "郑彦彦". — Cheers, JackLee talk 14:46, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the articles about SAVH and APSN! Will go through them while waiting for the articles about "Mas Selamat" and the "national pledge". --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk)
Sure, no problem. — Cheers, JackLee talk 15:05, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of List of carols at the Nine Lessons and Carols, King's College Chapel for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of carols at the Nine Lessons and Carols, King's College Chapel is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of carols at the Nine Lessons and Carols, King's College Chapel until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Mangoe (talk) 04:07, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Subjunctive case

I suggest you look up the subjunctive case. Because this is a suppositional/hypothetical case, 'were' is more correct. Cf. "I wish he were here." "If only there were more time."
Ulmanor (talk) 03:31, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Both of the examples you cite sound fine, but somehow "To decide whether or not he were running with an unfair advantage ..." sounds very awkward. I won't revert your change, but I'll post a note at the language reference desk for further opinions and advice on the issue. — Cheers, JackLee talk 06:40, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Laurentia Tan

She has won another bronze at the 2012 London Paralympics! Time to update her article! --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 06:28, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, will probably do that this evening. — Cheers, JackLee talk 07:37, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Napoleon with Satan

I don't know why I didn't think of it right away, but if I give you the text in pre-reform Rusisan replacing all yats with a placeholder (something like <yat>), you should be able to copy-paste it from the "yat" article and replace the placeholders, right? (There are just a few in that text anyway). Let me know if that'll work for you. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 17, 2012; 14:59 (UTC)

Sure, that sounds good! — Cheers, JackLee talk 15:41, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Here we go:
Наполеонъ съ С... посл<yat> созженiя Москвы
Вс<yat> треснули теперь предположенны планы;
Вс<yat> угрожаютъ мн<yat>, мной покоренны страны;
Всё взяло ходъ иной — всё стало изм<yat>нять;
Тиранить всё меня, — пропалъ я, — что начать!
изъ Разг. Н... съ С... страница 20я
Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 17, 2012; 16:15 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. See if I did it correctly. — Cheers, JackLee talk 18:06, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Looks good to me; thanks! If you ever need help with Russian again, feel free to contact me directly (I don't always follow the refdesk discussions and saw yours purely by accident).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 17, 2012; 18:12 (UTC)
Sure. Thanks again! — Cheers, JackLee talk 18:39, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Images for JCPC and UK Supreme Court Infoboxes

Hi, JackLee,

I"ve made a suggestion at Template talk:Infobox court case about new images for JCPC cases and UKSC cases; would welcome your comments. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 04:18, 14 October 2012 (UTC)