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I make lots of mistakes, sorry. If you don't make any mistakes, great! To keep that record intact, it's best not to post here. On the other hand, if you do make mistakes of your own from time to time, please consider how you would like others to respond to your mistakes before posting about mine.

Please add any new topics to the bottom of the page and any comments to existing sections at the bottom of the appropriate section, otherwise they will most likely be ignored. Thanks! Jacona (talk) 18:14, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for ur work on the 9/11 people live making the entries clearer and better. Kmccook (talk) 16:21, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations from STiki![edit]

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We hope you continue your ascent up the leaderboard and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! West.andrew.g (developer) and Faizan 08:37, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Kelly Pavlik[edit]

I noticed you changed my kelly Pavlik. Kelly Pavlik was arrested on Saturday. So I don't know why you change it but it's the facts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 807x2 (talkcontribs) 00:15, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Before you can write anything, especially negative information about a living person, a reliable source is required. Even if it's true, stating it without backing it up is against Wikipedia policy and common sense. Jacona (talk) 00:17, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Santa Fe High School (Alachua, Florida)[edit]

Jacona ... I'm 75 and over my head on some computer stuff. I have tried to add Dr. Luder Whitlock to the list of notable grads on Santa Fe High School (Alachua, FL) page. I'm not sure what you mean when you post that an article to establish notability and a reference to establish connection with this article are needed. I've used the Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). to reference several links which identify Dr. Whitlock as a remarkable guy, and most certainly as deserving of recognisance as any football player :) There is zero vandalism or ill-will implied in this note ... simply I need the help/advice of one more esoteric than myself ... look forward to hearing from you! GatorJimCook (talk) 15:43, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I understand. Before someone is included on a list of notable people, that person needs to meet the wikipedia definition of notability (also see WP:NLIST). It is generally accepted that a person is notable, and therefore eligible to be added to a list of notables, if that person needs to have their own article. So, before adding Whitlock to the list, article Luder Whitlock needs to be created. The information in that article needs to verifiable, and be supported by reliable sources. Until then, Dr. Whitlock does not belong on the list of notables.


Your quick work allowed my students to see why Wiki is not considered to be a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:08, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

If that's the best reason you could come up with, you have no business teaching. Jacona (talk) 09:25, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Gripes of a reverted vandal[edit]

Sorry for interrupting but Sir... Kim Jong Un is part of the Aztec Empire so please undo what u took away from the Aztec page because what I wrote is related to the topic... Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by TSA Sniper (talkcontribs) 11:56, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Lack of reliable source on Fort Collins High School wiki page: football section[edit]

Trevor Martin keeps getting added to the football section under professional athletes but he didn't play professional sports after graduating from FCHS. Can you flag for removal if it gets added again?

Almost everything there should be removed due to lack of sources, promotional, non-neutral point of view, etc. Jacona (talk) 15:43, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Reversion of my edit to Loughborough University notable alumni[edit]

The alumni I added is a silver medalist from the Sydney 2000 Paralympic Games. Four of the existing "notable alumni" do not have their own Wikipedia page so I did not think that the presence of one was a requirement. Apologies for the edit.

AlecEdworthy (talk) 16:03, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

No apology necessary, just keep on editing, keep on learning from the results and you'll go far! Jacona (talk) 16:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Thanks for fixing my accidental edit on Oldham! I was trying to revert the vandalism, but ended up reverting somebody who had already done so. Haha. Again, thank you! Happy editing. -- Mysterious Gopher (talk, contribs), 00:55, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

it happens! Jacona (talk) 01:06, 7 May 2015 (UTC)


Curse you, JaconaFrere, and all your flying machines! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Harold Shipman (talkcontribs) 12:53, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

May smiles and good fortune follow you all the days of your life. And to Saša Lukić, naka dirtyratman as well. Jacona (talk) 14:43, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

You removed a reference to David Lee's work for Parliamentary private committees on art. What kind of inane, stupid, ignorant, pusillanimous world do you inhabit that can assume that this edit was vandalism. No wonder Wikipedia is so damnably useless. I have done with it for good! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:59, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

No one called it vandalism. It was an unsourced statement. Bye. Jacona (talk) 11:20, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

What does NOTDIR have to do with school administrators?[edit]

I'm familiar with WP:NOTDIR, which applies to such articles as List of instant noodle brands. What's not clear is how NOTDIR applies to such edits as this one. Can you point to a relevant Wikipedia policy that forbids such sourced content? Alansohn (talk) 02:42, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm. I don't get it. I just re-read WP:NOTDIR and it seems obvious to me that a list of non-notable personnel is exactly what that policy is talking about. How is it not? Jacona (talk) 02:49, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Hmmm, I'm not sure what you were reading. I've looked at WP:NOTDIR and there are six categories listed. It's not (1) Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics; (2) Genealogical entries; (3) The White or Yellow Pages; (4) Directories, directory entries, electronic program guide, or a resource for conducting business; (5) Sales catalogues; or (6) Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations. Again, do you have a relevant policy that forbids listings of administrators? Alansohn (talk) 03:49, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
There is no policy that requires listing of administrators. Nor is there any policy that prohibits or requires schools to have articles. There is no policy that says we should have high school articles, no matter if they are flimsily sourced and should not have kindergarten articles, but the fact of the matter is that's the way things are. Things are that way because over time, consensus in articles, AfD, and elsewhere has resulted in a tradition that is practiced across the encyclopedia. If you want to learn about that policy, you can read a summary in the essay WP:OUTCOMES, which has a section on schools. It's not policy, it is an essay, but it is pretty consistently used across the encyclopedia. Now, back to school administrators. There is no policy that says the assistant principals, teachers, custodians, or UPS drivers who deliver to the school occasionally should or should not be included. But yet, across the encyclopedia, we see a certain consistency. In the vast preponderance of school articles, if any administrators are listed, it is generally only the principal. This is to some extent a result of WP:NOTDIR, after all, an attempt to list the current employees of an organization is going to result in out-of-date information very quickly, thereby detracting from the encyclopedia. It is the result of years of discussions at talk pages, and elsewhere, including wikiproject schools. At WP:WPSCHOOLS, editors have looked across the encyclopedia and tried to determine practices. An essay has been written, WP:WPSCHOOLS/AG which attempts to record the tradition and practice at school articles. It's an essay, not policy, just as WP:OUTCOMES is. But it does represent the work and effort of a team of editors, rather than being just the opinion of one user, say User:Alansohn or User:JaconaFrere. Let's have a look at what the good people at Wikiproject schools have to say.

"School articles should only contain material of encyclopaedic interest; lists should be kept to a minimum; prose with context to the individual school is preferred. Remember that Wikipedia is not a directory, a host of primary source material, or a place for advertising."

"Any mention of living people must conform with the biography of living persons policy, including the presumption in favour of privacy. While naming the head teacher or principal is permitted, lists or detailed information about current or former pupils, parents of current or former pupils, administrative staff, school secretaries, teachers etc. is usually inappropriate. Special care should be taken in regards to the mention of individual pupils or providing information that would allow individual pupils to be identified (particularly where they are underage); such disclosures should only occur in exceptional circumstances."

Well, this is only an essay, so we're free to seek our own interpretation. What we can expect is that most editors will agree that listings of students, teachers, cafeteria employees, assistant principals, parents, and so forth is not material of encyclopaedic interest. If you look across the encyclopedia, you will find that there is some inconsistency, but for the most part, there is very little naming of individuals other than principal. Have you spent any time editing articles outside of New Jersey? If you would, I think it would probably be a big help to you, especially when editors familiar with the practices across the whole of WP happen by and edit according to the traditions and practices followed in the rest of the Encyclopedia. You might even find that what you learn in a little time invested elsewhere would enable you to edit your New Jersey articles more efficiently. Jacona (talk) 10:52, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Anyway, I hope this helps you understand why I removed low-level administrators from the article. Thanks for all your hard work to make Wikipedia better. As I look around New Jersey articles, I can see you have really put a great deal of effort into hundreds, or even thousands of articles. Thanks! Jacona (talk) 10:52, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Re: Golgotha[edit]


Thanks so much for your email. I was looking for a place to just send a comment and couldn't find it! I appreciate you letting me know.

Lalipod — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:49, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of sending one; it must have been automatically generated. I hope it was helpful, whatever it was! Jacona (talk) 15:19, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Your revision on the mazda platforms page was incorrect.

The Rx8 is not the same platform as the Rx7. It was a completely different body style built to meet modern crash and safety regulations. The F style platform was ditched completely and Mazda went with the new SE platform. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:12, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Perla dab page 'restoration'[edit]

I don't think this was the best way to handle this. The page move should have been undone (moved back to Perla) . Now the editing history is not 'connected' to the page anymore. 220 of Borg 11:25, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Feel free to correct it! Thanks!Jacona (talk) 11:26, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Not possible for me AFAIK, but in the meantime Admin GB fan has moved the dab page back. Just dropped them a note asking for the talk-page to be moved back to the right place. Face-smile.svg 220 of Borg 11:40, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate your help!Jacona (talk) 11:44, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
The plot thickens! The editor that moved Perla has now recreated Perla (City). (after having Perla(City), Perla (city), Perla (Town) and Perla (town) deleted, moved or userfied, multiple times!) My advice, run away and don't get involved! I can see a block coming for that editor real soon. 220 of Borg 12:17, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
It's not a big deal, really. And he's not malicious, just confused. Be patient, it'll all get worked out soon enough. Jacona (talk) 14:47, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

i apologizes for editing — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:49, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Kev Keegan regarded as one of the best kllm[edit]

Why did you remove it? He is regarded as one of the best players of the 20th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lime1487 (talkcontribs) 20:46, 17 May 2015 (UTC) For anyone who is "widely regarded as one of the greatest players of the 20th century", there should be plenty of reliable sources. Provide one or more of these to verify the statement, and it should stay in the article. .Jacona (talk) 21:03, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry about the changes made to the Streptococcus pyogenes page. Someone hacked into my computer and made changes. (blob)

Recent edit to Old Faithful[edit]

Hi and thanks for keeping Wikipedia free of vandalism.
My edit included an existing reference <ref name="tour"/>, which links to The text I added was taken from that site. (talk) 21:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, when I wrote it, it came right out of a reference that I was reading but since u deleted, can u please remind me what it is you need a reference for that u deleted??

I read, research, edit, and write all day long, so-- please?

Welcome to Wikipedia, anonymous ip user! You made a controversial change, but you did not cite a reliable source in your edit, so I reverted you. I would suggest you register, which will offer you several perks, and allow you a chance to build up some credibility and always cite a reliable source when adding material. That would be a great start towards giving your edits staying power. Thanks, and happy editing! Jacona (talk) 23:39, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Walnut Hills High School[edit]

You may believe yourself to be the arbiter (however self appointed) of things notable. I'm sorry, but you are not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AtomicNinja14 (talkcontribs) 01:26, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

By no means! I am on occasion, however, a messenger of such. Please consider reading WP:NLIST and WP:LISTPEOPLE. Whether the messenger is me, or as it was shortly before User:Dougweller or any of hundreds of other editors, there are policies and practices that need to be followed. Learn them, and you will be able to contribute and enjoy the encyclopedia! Jacona (talk) 01:57, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
He seems to have stopped. Dougweller (talk) 19:29, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, he was new. New editors often feel like they are under attack until they understand why they get reverted frequently. I know I did. Thanks for all your help! Jacona (talk) 02:24, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Cartherine Levine[edit]

Please add my name Catherine to Curt Levine for several years I was married to him at the time of his death. I am his surviving widow Catherine Levine — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Genesis versus History[edit]

The ICR page needs to be left alone. If you are a supporter of ICR, I get that you might consider Genesis to be relevant history. Factually, it's not, though. Native Americans came to the United States 6,000 - 9,000 years before the Bible-god created the Universe in Genesis, 6,000 years ago. Thus, Genesis has no basis for being historically-accurate, and ICR is nothing more than a cult. If they want to treat Genesis as though it were a historical event, that's their perogative. It's not our place to give them any more credence than we'd give Vishnu. Knowledgebattle (talk) 22:17, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

You state that "The ICR page needs to be left alone", indicating that you own it. What if it turns out that it is not yours after all? Jacona (talk) 02:19, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
You have determined that, not me. Do you presume to own? Follow Jim1138's advice: Take it to Talk. Perhaps one of us will be enlightened. Also, "there is plenty of room in the article to attack that position" - it is not "attacking" to not give credence to unsubstantiated positions; it is using proper semantics to relay a message. On the Obama page, would you word it such that, "Obama is allegedly a Christian"? No. You do not give credence to lies by inserting the word "allegedly". On the ICR page, do you word it such that the Genesis account may be a historical event, because ICR says so? No. "Both sides" don't get equal billing when it comes to science. (Quote: Zugman, on the Talkpage...) Knowledgebattle (talk) 23:57, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
LOL, your statement is at the top of this section, warning me that "the ICR page needs to be left alone." IF that's not ownership, I'm not sure what is. As far as your imagination of how I might word something on another page, that's just ridiculous. And as far as my edits on the ICR page, they certainly do NOT say anything about whether or not the Genesis account is historical. Nothing at all. Is it possible that you have some deep-seated anger issues or hatred for this group? Or is it just that you absolutely have to have your own way? Either way, that's a problem you will have to deal with yourself. Jacona (talk) 00:34, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello JaconaFrere i made some changes on kylie padilla because i think that theres something wrong about her on wikipedia page so i decided to change it.AllysaSaymo21 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AllysaSaymo21 (talkcontribs) 10:40, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

That's fine, Allysa. But to protect us all, Wikipedia has rules that require references as proof for comments about living people. I'm going to post some helpful links on your talk page that describe some of the basics of Wikipedia. Thanks for your efforts to make Wikipedia better! Jacona (talk) 10:49, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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I'm giving you this star to recognize your editing skills in wikipedia AllysaSaymo21 (talk) 10:54, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you JaconaFrere. The person using the name Alyceleibowitz is a fraud. The real Alyce Leibowitz did not and would not do this. We appreciate your sharp eyes. Yogourtman (talk) 19:33, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
I truly have no idea what I did, but I'm glad it was appreciated! Thanks, it's very nice to get some appreciation, especially as I'm currently dealing with a very negative and underhanded individual! Jacona (talk) 19:36, 22 May 2015 (UTC)