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Please add any new topics to the bottom of the page and any comments to existing sections at the bottom of the appropriate section, otherwise they will most likely be ignored. Thanks Jacona (talk) 14:02, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


Deletion of content from Sayreville War Memorial High School[edit]

Your recent edits to the article for Sayreville War Memorial High School have again removed extensive portions of sourced content, using various elements of WP:WPSCH/AG#OS as justification. The document you link to provides "advice on article content", and is "not a formal Wikipedia policy or guideline". The school infobox provides a parameter for vice / assistant principals and those fields are populated in thousands of articles nationwide. Even if some of the material regarding core staff should be deleted, the deletion of the source is inappropriate. The infobox is intended to summarize material from the article, and there will inherently be overlap between the article and he infobox, with no justification to delete content that appears in both places. Regarding athletic championships, this advice indicates that "Major extra curricular championships will be defined as the highest possible championship a team can win from that activity's organizing committee. In the United States, this would nominally be a 'state championship'." While there are states and sports where there are single state champions, in New Jersey there is no playoff system across the state in football, and the winners of state sectional titles are state champions. As winners of the "highest possible championship a team can win from that activity's organizing committee", such championships should be listed under the terms of this advice on article content. Based on this justification, I have reinserted the material in question. If you have a different reading of the advice provided by Wikipedia:WPSCH/AG#OS please feel free to reach out to me and discuss further. Alansohn (talk) 15:57, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Altho this seldom happens, I actually agree with Alansohn on this one. California is another state where there is no real clear state title. The documentation for Template:Infobox school seems to indicate that we are not to use the fields for "underadministrators", however it is common practice and I see no harm, in the infobox. I will draw the line at the "custodian" field, however. I delete that each and every time I see it. (and btw, have started a discussion on the template's talk page asking for it's removal). YMMV. Happy editing, Jacona! John from Idegon (talk) 20:43, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Lumia meaning in Spanish[edit]

Hi Jacona,

I have seen how you remove information about lumia meaning in Spanish, and/or how it is changed in other ways about Spanish meaning for that word in article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_Lumia_series.

I can talk about to create a section about this topic, but without proper section I have placed it where Lumia name is described (1st paragraph).

You have deleted definition about RAE (Real Academia Española) and/or changed it by "some dictionaries", but this is inadmissible in Sapnish language because RAE dictionary is official language dictionary. I think this is difficult to understand for some English spoken people because in English there is not an authority like RAE. In some languages (French, Spanish, Italian, German) there are authorities studying and defining proper language usage and in general every cult person speaking those languages accept it, so it is part of the language, specially when those institutions are old in time and its influence has been big and long.

Even in Spanish there is an Association of Spanish Language Academies from 22 countries, and the modern dictionary of RAE is considered a true pan-Hispanic work . Even if you enter the web pages of those Spanish academies you will see that all them uses the RAE dictionary as official. So RAE dictionary is not "an dictionary" but OFFICIAL SPANISH dictionary.

The situations of Spanish and English are very different in this way, and RAE is near 300 years old, so it is part of Spanish language culture long ago.

You can see a list of language regulators here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_language_regulators And English is not in that list, but Spanish is and with near 300 year history with that work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LuisGU (talkcontribs) 02:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

"Official" or not, it has been recognized as archaic, biased and inaccurate by many reputed scholars. And no matter how official it may be, it can still be misused by malefactors who wish to profit by publishing a story that is sensational but misleading, as this particular case shows quite well. I ask you, have you ever heard of someone as it were, (languages mashed on purpose) "soliciting una lumia", "having sex with a lumia", or anything of that nature?Jacona (talk) 11:46, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Your AfD on schools[edit]

Hello I just wanted to let you know that article on schools, places are rarely deleted. I found Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chain of Lakes Middle School not good for AfD, it is quite notable because it has some good academic achievements and features. A.Minkowiski _Lets t@lk 13:01, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

It appears that WP:WPSCH/AG#N specifically states that High Schools are generally assumed notable, but elementary and middle schools are not. This is a middle school article that cites no references. It should either be deleted or redirected to the Orange County School District, in my opinion. Thanks for your comment.Jacona (talk) 13:10, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree with the above, but just a heads up that A7 speedy deletion does not cover schools. As a result, I've declined your speedy requests of Glenridge Middle School and Westview Middle School (Miami, FL). Thanks, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 13:52, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
thanks, of course you're right...i've resubmitted them as afd.s Thanks again!Jacona (talk) 14:10, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Jacona. May I make a suggestion? Just be WP:BOLD and blank them, replacing the content with #REDIRECT[[The school district's, or if that doesn't exist, the city's article]], followed by {{r from school}}. Of course, since you have already filed AfD's on the above schools, let them play out (it says right in the AfD template on the page not to blank them), but just for future reference. If someone objects, they can re-instate the article by reverting your redirect edit and then we can go thru all the hoopla. I've done that probably 200 times and have only had to argue like twice. John from Idegon (talk) 06:01, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks!Jacona (talk) 12:35, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

WP:GNG[edit]

You really need to re-read WP:GNG. Most of these drafted players clearly pass GNG. WP:Too soon is not a good reason to nominated these articles.--Yankees10 18:58, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

some may meet gng, but there are dozens of drafted players who will never play in a game and who will be long forgotten this time next year who have articles. For every one that I may have pushed a little too hard and they meet gng, there are 50 that don't and need deleting. Please carry on and defend the few that are good, and help me weed out the non-notable! Thanks!Jacona (talk) 19:14, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
I came here to impart the same message as Yankees10. As a practical matter, and in my experience, it's counterproductive to seek out articles about newly drafted NFL players for deletion. Until the end of training camp, the media are interested in these players, and readers will come here to find out about them. The great majority of them will receive substantial coverage either before or after the draft or during camp. At a minimum there will always be verifiable information about their high school and college careers. And if they make the team, they're in. So what's the benefit of attacking a verifiable bio whose notability has a strong chance of being established in a matter of a few weeks? A better to time to bring this up is after the season starts: at that point, bios of those players who haven't made a team roster can be examined to see if they meet GNG. --Arxiloxos (talk) 04:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

PRODing schools[edit]

Hi. Just reiterating the advice you've been given above. We don't usually PROD schools. Just blank them, redirect them to their school district article (or locality) while remembering to add the {{R from school}} template to the redirect so that it automatically adds the appropriate message and populates the school redirect cat. Saves people like me a lot of work - I could have spent the past hour far more constructively than converting all your PRODS to redirects ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:18, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

thanks!Jacona (talk) 12:33, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

redirecting middle schools[edit]

Hi, Jacona. Please take a look at the last few "r from school" edits you made. You forgot something pretty vital...the actual redirect. Please check any others that I might have missed. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 16:30, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

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You were wrong about my contribution[edit]

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GORDON WEST IS IN WEST PYMBLE I SHOULD KNOW I GO TO GORDON WEST AND I LIVE IN WEST PYMBLE!! EW6381 (talk) 10:15, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
The edit to West Pymble, New South Wales I reverted, to which you refer, begain "West Pymble has a large number of Giant Pandas roaming about so be careful and watch out." It is possible that I am mistaken and Giant Pandas are roaming about the landscape. Even if this is true, it would need to be accompanied by a reliable source WP:RS in order to be included in Wikipedia. On the other hand, if Giant Pandas are NOT in fact roaming about West Pymble, my revert of your edits would also be OK, as your edit would have introduced inaccurate information. Thanks for the laughs, but Wikipedia is a serious endeavor.Jacona (talk) 12:16, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Giant Pandas[edit]

That was my little sister. I left the computer and she did that. I am not lying cos she told me later. However, the bit about gordon west public school is true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EW6381 (talkcontribs) 10:09, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Spanish Colonization[edit]

Hello, Jacona. I just got your message about a false editing I made. Well, you made a mistake alright- you got the wrong guy. I never did a thing on that page. Just thought you should be made aware of that. 64.222.131.136 (talk) 03:57, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

The IP address you are using made the edit. IP Addresses can change frequently. If it's not you, but someone else using the same IP address, don't worry about it. Jacona (talk) 12:24, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Reverting your reversion on Churches of Christ (non-institutional)[edit]

I had previously sourced a deleted (and necessary) section on this page that had been removed, and removed some links that did not belong on it. You reverted these for no apparent reason. I'll be adding them again. Since Wikipedia policy is being followed in both cases, please kindly stop reverting them. Thanks! Jdb1972 (talk) 01:42, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

You added two brand-new dead links. Please kindly stop corrupting this article.

Lost and found - basketball minds[edit]

I'm glad you found your mind. I was wondering why a suggestion for added material should be removed from a talk page. By the way, do you know any-where where this is in fact discussed (I live in Korea, so I don't have access to a library with books about basketball etc.)? Here's a source: http://womenshistory.about.com/od/basketball/a/timeline.htm, but I don't think it qualifies as a reference in Wik. But maybe http://ncgirlsbasketball.com/rules.php or its source does? Kdammers (talk) 09:51, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I keep misplacing that darned mind! I have since found a wiki article Six-on-six basketball and a blog post [1] that had a timeline similar to the one you posted. As far as books go, can you access abebooks in Korea? Using Advanced search and restricting the maximum year to 1980 yields several books that might be of interest including one titled GIRLS' BASKETBALL / INCLUDING SUMMARY OF THE OFFICIAL RULES (ATHLETIC INSTITUTE SERIES) by Mildred J. Barnes, Published by Sterling Publishing Co., London, 1978 that would probably have a great deal of info about the old version of the sport.Jacona (talk) 10:43, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I finished editing. What about removing multiple issues note?[edit]

At 2012 Mississippi State Bulldogs baseball team, do I just remove the "This article has multiple issues..." note at the top myself. By the way, I felt the reference list was growing almost out of control. Higher up in the article, I summarize some details that can be found at references and links lower down. I felt it was unnecessary to keep referencing material that was already referenced lower down in the same article? Thanks, Jay Jor (talk). — Preceding undated comment added 12:27, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

You can just remove the "multiple issues" templates, be sure and say why you are doing so in the edit summary and it will be fine. As far as the references go, while you are correct that a reference elsewhere can "cover" the whole article, you have to watch out for later editors who either won't notice, or will remove the reference leaving the material vulnerable to deletion. You should be in good shape on this article as you've done a great job and the page will probably wind up being patrolled by Dawg fans, but in general there's no downside to over-referencing and huge upside. Websites change, especially sports sites like sec.com and hailstate.com, resulting in link "rot". In order to keep your material from getting tossed later, try to use the most reliable source you can (national/regional newspapers, books, etc.) and as big a variety of these as you can. Thanks again, this is great work!Jacona (talk) 13:59, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is an essay; That's it and nothing more[edit]

Wikipedia:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is an essay; That's it and nothing more. It attempts to summarize an overview of what often happens at AfD for schools, but it is not policy. You have skipped the actual AfD, turned the article into a redirect without actually merging any of the content and ignored the fact that the "page is not a policy or guideline, and previous outcomes do not bind future ones because consensus can change", as stated earlier in the essay. Please stop these presumptuous deletions of content, start reviewing the articles and start AfDs, only if appropriate. Alansohn (talk) 00:44, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest in the subject Alansohn! On the advice of several people including a sysop, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง and others, rather than wasting people's time by PRODing or AfDing these middle school articles when the vast majority of these articles that are virtually certain to be redirected (or deleted) on AfD, let's be WP:BOLD, blank and redirect these articles that should never have been created in the first place. That is the purpose of WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, to be a guideline so you know what is likely to happen and take action appropriately. If you find articles in which you think I'm in error in relying on school outcomes, please feel free to revert my redirect. If I still disagree with you upon further review, I will take the article to AfD. The community will take care of it as it should. Thanks again for your help! Jacona (talk) 01:04, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
That very well may be, but Punta Gorda Middle School and Murdock Middle School have both been through AFD and survived it. IMHO, no individual should override previous consensus established by the community without discussing the matter first. PCHS-NJROTC (Messages) 01:41, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
By the way, before you go to AfD, thought I'd point out that PGMS established notability due to it's destruction by Hurricane Charley, and MMS established notability due to the rarity of a school being recognized as a Blue Ribbon School. So if you do decide to go to AfD about it, that's what you're up against. PCHS-NJROTC (Messages) 01:45, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Jacona (talk) 12:11, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Alimacani Elementary School[edit]

Hi there, you may want to check out the article Alimacani Elementary School again. I was cleaning up the manual of style when I noticed this was an article you recently redirected. I wasn't sure how to proceed so I cleaned it up the best I could, but I can't see what's there coming anywhere close to notable. I do note that it's the same editor adding the same content as previously edited the article. Should I have just redirected myself rather than fixing? Cmr08 (talk) 05:40, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

You can just ignore this message, as it's already been redirected by another editor. Cmr08 (talk) 06:31, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done And yes you should have! It's all good! John from Idegon (talk) 06:32, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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King Middle School (Portland, Maine)[edit]

Did you look at the sources for King Middle School (Portland, Maine)? Did you give it a cursory google search? I hope you will read WP:BEFORE prior to redirecting more articles based on an essay.--TM 19:12, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Ranking System across the site[edit]

Hello, just thought you should find out this way that I happen to be a better editor that you. --BACKPACK TOM (talk) 10:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but I don't think you speak from a neutral point of view. WP:NPOV.Jacona (talk) 10:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Obviously not I admit, I speak from a Backpack Tom biased point of view! --BACKPACK TOM (talk) 11:07, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
IMHO, your premise is WP:BOLLOCKS, but since I don't have a WP:RS, I'm not going to create an article about it.Jacona (talk) 11:09, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
The sock puppet accounts are now all blocked. Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:14, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Jacona - I believe you have incorrectly deleted Improvements to the page on Mobile Commerce[edit]

Dear Jacona,

I see that you have deleted the improvements that I made to the page on Mobile Commerce. I thought that I referenced well qualified data from leading organisations such as Master Card and PayPal.

Please clarify for me which parts of the following are unacceptable, and why. Many thanks.


Mobile commerce has taken off very rapidly in developing markets. A July 2014 survey by Paypal found that in China, 90 percent of respondents have made payments from their phone, followed by Russia (85 percent), Brazil (nearly 70 percent) and Turkey (60 percent). More than 17 million Kenyans use M-PESA, and in 2013 a full quarter of the country's GDP passed through the service.

Arguably, take up of mobile commerce has been slower in developed economies, perhaps because there are established convenient alternatives. However, Juniper Research forecasts that in 2014, mobile transactions will exceed those on desktops and laptops for the first time (even though mobile will continue to trail cards as customers’ preferred payment method). Readiness for Mobile Commerce has recently been analysed by MasterCard for over 30 individual countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.16.56.226 (talk) 18:06, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

I believe I intended to get rid of the link to LinkedIn and deleted a little more than I intended. Please feel free to add the rest of it back!Jacona (talk) 19:33, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Social Media Marketing[edit]

My name is Mariana and i made changes to your WiKi page for a Social Media Marketing class to show users just how easy it is to post anything at anytime to Wikipedia and therefore should not be used as a viable resource to gain information from... I apologize if you feel i misused your page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.115.184 (talk) 20:16, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If anyone ever wants experiment like this, why can't they use the sandbox? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 04:23, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
they should. Jacona (talk) 10:31, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

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Take a look now. You want to improve the athletic section? John from Idegon (talk) 05:18, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! You've been a great help! Jacona (talk) 11:37, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

A Stop Sign For You[edit]

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Thank you for your edit on Doge of Venice I was about to revert the changes but you did it for me! A2 00:12, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Redirects[edit]

You will be extremely interested in the discussions here, and on my talk page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:44, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Indeed very interesting, and very informative. I've learned a lot. It appears that earlier advice was very good indeed! Thanks for your help here as before! Jacona (talk) 10:35, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

DeMarre Carrol[edit]

Hey jaconafrere please get your facts right about demmare. I would be so grateful. But Your message really offended me. And a source at ESPN said if not for Demarre Carrolls defensive efforts the Atlanta Hawks would not of gotten to the playoffs and who have made it farther if not for team injuries. Next time please try to get your facts right before you go and take down my edit to the page. Thank You

Hi, and thanks for your efforts to improve Wikipedia. I personally make many mistakes, as everyone who edits very much does. If you want to accomplish much on Wikipedia (and in life in general) you need to learn to work within certain frameworks. First, assume good faith WP:GOODFAITH. Avoid personal attacks WP:NPA. Learn how things are done and work within the system. For instance, when posting a new topic on someones talk page, always post at the bottom. Otherwise your comments might not be noticed, or might be ignored. As many editors edit a large number of pages, provide a wikilink to the page in question by putting the page name between two pairs of brackets [[]] like this, for instance here is a wikilik to the page in question, DeMarre Carroll. Finally, always sign your comments by typing in four tildes in a row like this ~~~~ Now, in relation to the edit onDeMarre Carroll, it appears that he led them past the Hawks, but they had not yet played the Pacers, so there is no way to be certain what would have happened against the Pacers had there not been injuries. A sportswriters opinion is not a fact, which is what we hope fills the encyclopedia! Again, welcome to Wikipedia, and happy editing! Jacona (talk) 10:29, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

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School redirects[edit]

Just in case you are using a script. You left a } off of every redirect. Bgwhite (talk) 20:33, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll review them right away Jacona (talk) 20:34, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

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English Wikipedia is not a subject of the USA[edit]

Greetings. I noticed you requested a speedy deletion of an article of the recently deceased leader of Botswanas 2nd or 3rd largest political party. I applaud your lack of sense for displaying itself so wantonly, I realize the leader of a major Botswana political party is not notable in Texas but Texas on the other hand is not notable in Botswana. --Stalfur (talk) 12:51, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

  • perhaps if we both visit Texas some day we shall learn about that. Jacona (talk) 14:07, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
  • While you may believe you see some sort of prejudice against Botswana, the article in question is a completely unreferenced biography of a living person (who may have since died) and who has drawn repeated slander but no references. Please feel free to improve the article in a constructive way. If you want to express your prejudice against/distaste for Texans, you should do so here Talk:Texas, rather than on my talk page.

'Iftar' page changes[edit]

I'm not sure if you are aware of the events that take place during Ramadan. You might even be a muslim. But all you need to know is that the topic I bought up in 'Moonsighting or 'Moonfighting' plays a very big part in Iftar. Please re-post it. Thanks. Peace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.202.251 (talk) 13:17, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I removed the comments because they were made from a non-neutral point of view. Please feel free to add them back without the veiled attacks on particular sects. Jacona (talk) 14:04, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Never mind, as this IP has already been blocked for repeated blatant vandalism. When you return, please take a little time to learn how Wikipedia works so that your efforts will not be entirely in vain. Jacona (talk) 14:14, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

I just want to say thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnthonySeymourEU101 (talkcontribs) 01:02, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Glad to be of help. May I ask the context? Thanks! Jacona (talk) 14:07, 31 July 2014 (UTC)