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WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers Newsletter Vol. 1, no. 2[edit]

The Second Red Hot Chili Peppers Newsletter has been published. Some interesting things have happened in the Wikipedia world of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, so please take the time to read and review any information. Thanks for being apart of the team! Regards, NSR77 (Talk|Contribs) 02:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers June 2007 Newsletter[edit]

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Volume 1, no. 3 — June 2007
"When I joined the Chili Peppers Anthony and Flea could have said 'Listed, we're the whole thing, and you're just here to play guitar', ya know, but we would have never made a record like Blood Sugar or Californication had they said that to me, ya know; instead what they said was 'You're equal to us...you're ideas are no less important than ours are'." - John Frusciante
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WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers July 2007 Newsletter[edit]

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Volume 1, no. 4 — July 2007
"It was the most horrible show ever. Every single note, every single word, hurt, knowing that we were no longer a band. I kept looking over at John and seeing this dead statue of disdain...that night, John disappeared from the topsy-turvy world of the Red Hot Chili Peppers."Anthony Kiedis
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WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers August 2007 Newsletter[edit]

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Volume 1, no. 5 — August 2007
"Well, I don't even know how to drive in this life, so I'm pretty far from ever having the life of being a stuntdouble. I had an Evil Knievel doll when I was a kid, that's about it!"John Frusciante
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WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers September 2007 Newsletter[edit]

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Volume 1, no. 6 — September 2007
"John was just up there like he didn't give a fuck about anything. You can't be in a band and not care. It's gunna show. And it did. A lot of the shows were terrible."Chad Smith
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WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers January 2008 Newsletter[edit]

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Volume 2, no. 1 — January 2008
"I remember I was taking a piss at a party once in this multi-urinal stall bathroom, and this guy was pissing next to me and he looks over at me pissing and starts singing 'Under the Bridge' in some twisted key and I though 'Okay. We've definitely made it now; a drunken guy is singing out of key one of our songs next to me in the urinal." - Anthony Kiedis
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Re: Josh Klinghoffer[edit]

I get what you're saying, but a private email message is not (unfortunately) confirmation. It will have to be a statement from the band or Klinghoffer himself. Best wishes. Sky83 (talk) 18:16, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

  • Hi. Blackie may well be the best source, but he's still not suitable for inclusion here. For what it's worth, from everything I've read myself, I think they're highly unlikely to have anyone other than Josh in the band, but it will have to be an official announcement of some kind and if that doesn't happen for months, it will just have to wait. As we know, the threshold for inclusion here is verifiability, not truth :). Sky83 (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

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Re: Anthony Kiedis[edit]

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Anthony's father, John Kiedis (aka Blackie Dammett) has his own wiki page and ran the Peppers fanclub for many years. Anthony is even working on a television show about his childhood with his father. I'm not sure why info about his father is not allowed. Jason1978 (talk) 05:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

As stated, you need to provide a reliable source for your information, -especially- if you're adding the information to a biography of a living person. Links to other Wiki pages and/or fansites aren't considered reliable. Doniago (talk) 06:35, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

List of Red Hot Chili Peppers band members[edit]

Your edits to the List of Red Hot Chili Peppers band members have been undone. Zander Schloss is considered an official member of the band, as cited by Anthony Kiedis' autobiography. It shouldn't matter if Schloss was in the band for four days or four years. He is still considered an official member due Kiedis' acknowledgment. There has already been a discussion regarding Schloss' membership, and it was confirmed that he was an official member of the band. Thank you. WereWolf (talk) 04:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


Anthony never confirms Zander was a offical member of the band in his book. He confirms that the band felw him to Sydney in hopes that he would take John's place for the rest of the tour but after rehearsing for four days things didn't work out. When Dave joined he along with the band made up guitar picks with all the past Peppers guitarists names on them, Zander's name wasn't on there. I have every book, documentary etc on the Peppers imaginable and Zander is never mentioned at all let along as a official member in any of them except for the small two paragraphs in Anthony's book. Like Chuck Biscuits, who is said to have filled in for a show or two, Zander was going to be a tour replacement if hired. I even asked director/actor Dick Rude (close friend of Zander and the Peppers) a few years ago if he was a member and he said he tried out in hopes he would be one but that's it. Of course that means nothing to you and I have nothing to back it up but here is what Anthony wrote in his book:

Page 297, Chapter 11 in Anthony's book, here is what he says about Zander:

"We met up with our friend Zander Schloss, who was going to take John's place. Zander was a talented guitar player who could read and write music, a quick study with a zandy, soulful, comic sensibility. We had seven days to teach him enough songs to rock out Austraalia. Zander met us in Sydney and we started two-day rehearsals. But after four days, it was clear to me and Flea that this wasn't happening. Zander was playing the songs but it didn't feel like the Red Hot Chili Peppers. At that point, we decided we'd rather cancel dates than present a half-assed version of ourselves."

Also...Zander on his official Facebook page lists all the bands he was in...and doesn't mention the Chili Peppers http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000476358182

Jason1978 (talk) 05:21, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. Facebook isn't considered a reliable source here on Wikipedia, and because he was mentioned in the book, that confirms his status as a member. Like I said, there was a debate about this a very long time ago, and we reached a conclusion that Scloss is a former member of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. WereWolf (talk) 23:14, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

It's unfortunate that you don't accept facebook because that's Zander's actual page and it lists his full resume but whatever. Nowhere in Anthony's book does it say he was a member. He tried out for the band, things didn't work, he never joined the band. I will also again point out that in the past when info about Zander was put on his Wiki page, it was removed because he wasn't a member but on the Peppers page it says he was. Jason1978 (talk) 23:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Listen, we've had this discussion before with another user. The members here on Wikipedia reached a consensus regarding his stance as a member. We consider him a former official member of the band, so please, do not remove him from the list. WereWolf (talk) 04:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I see you're continuing to remove Schloss from the list; this is your final warning. DO NOT REMOVE HIM FROM THE LIST. WereWolf (talk) 20:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

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Excessive detail[edit]

Jason, please stop adding excessive detail--before you know it, what is now a halfway-decent article is turned into a list of minutia. Not every single thing that's verified is worth mentioning. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 05:34, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

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Red Hot Chili Peppers[edit]

With respect to this request on my talk page, I'm not going to take any action against Z33k at this time, and both of you should take this response as a warning. You should bear in mind that being right doesn't prevent you from being guilty of edit-warring. In that sense, both of you are equally guilty.

I need to see both of you stop flipping the date back and forth. Continuing to do so will result in a block. You need to get an actual consensus, even if it takes an RFC to get there.

I will note that the underlying case isn't 100% clear to me. For singles, the earliest release date is routinely used, and I'm surprised to see that Jason1978 isn't just completely wrong (which is what I thought at first). There are numerous discographies that apparently use a "home release" rule. Since I've issued a warning, I can't take place in any further discussion of the topic.—Kww(talk) 00:27, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

The Adventures of Rain Dance Maggie[edit]

Could you please explain to me why you removed my edits and how this page meets WP:NMUSIC? I Help, When I Can. [12] 01:09, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

The entire single page was wiped out and removed and there was nothing on there when I re-added everything. There has been a edit war going on and I thought that's what happened. Someone decided to delete the page for no reason. I checked the history and didn't see anything either and noticed someone else in the discussion area said they didn't know why it was removed either so I re-added it. I apologize for removing your edits. Jason1978(talk) 01:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I turned the page into a redirect. It does not meet WP:NMUSIC. I explained my edit. So, are you going to undo the edit or do we have to take this matter to AfD? I Help, When I Can. [12] 06:53, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


Wouldn't let me undo the article so I re-directed it back to the album article. I hope this is what you want. Again, I apologize for the edit as I didn't see right away what you did. Jason1978(talk) 01:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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"The Adventures of Rain Dance Maggie" on Mainstream Rock Tracks[edit]

Do Not change to Billboard Rock Songs position, as this is misleading. The chart position is for Mainstream Rock Tracks chart peak, not Rock songs peak. It has currently peaked at #5 on Mainstream Rock Tracks, although it has gone #1 on Rock Songs. Please do not change it back to #1. Thank you. --Crocodileman (talk) 01:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


Rock Songs took over for Mainstream Rock Tracks. Mainstream Rock Tracks is now a subscriber ONLY chart. You have to pay for access to it. Billboard.com no longer acknowledges Mainstream Rock Tracks as an actual chart.

The chart is still compiled, but it is only available through the magazine's website. The chart could be accessed free until June 2009, when it became subscriber-only. At that time, a new chart named Rock Songs was introduced that combined the data from Mainstream Rock with that from Alternative and Triple A.


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Charts[edit]

The data from Rock Songs chart does not correspond with peak positions of previous songs on Mainstream Rock Tracks. They're two completely different charts. Just because Mainstream Rock Tracks aren't published on the site or the magazine does not mean it's not an actual chart. The positions on the singles chart should remain all Mianstream Rock Tracks because then all peak positions will be consistant. --Crocodileman (talk) 11:21, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Billboard changes their chart names all the time. Hot 100 Airplay is now called Radio Songs. Mainstream Rock Tracks data is now used in Rock Songs. Unless you subscribe and pay to be a member of Billboard.com you have no way of seeing the Mainstream Rock Tracks which is why Billboard created Rock Songs in 2009. Can you provide a link proving the song is at #5 on this chart because all links to this chart lead you directly to the Rock Songs chart. The previous link provided saying the song was #5 on this chart led directly to the same link I just posted in my previous response. --Jason1978 (talk) 11:23, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

They are most definitely not the same charts. Rock Songs was not created to replace Mainstream Rock Tracks. It is a chart that takes in radio spins from Alternative, Active, Heritage rock, and Triple A and combines them into an overall chart. On the other hand, Mainstream Rock Tracks is a chart compiled by combining Active rock and Heritage rock only, which is the same formula Billboard has used ever since the chart debuted. Therefore, Mainstream Rock Tracks chart should be used on the singles chart instead of Rock Songs because they are two different charts compiled two different ways. If you like, you can make a new column for Rock Songs, as every other artists' singles chart on Wikipedia now uses (or should be using) Mainstream Rock Tracks. --Crocodileman (talk) 18:22, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

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Dude, seriously. I'm getting really sick and tired of you removing adding Zander Schloss from the List of Red Hot Chili Peppers band members. As I've told you NUMEROUS TIMES. Kiesis states in his autobiography that he DID JOIN THE BAND FOR A FEW DAYS, NOT AUDITION. This is your FINAL WARNING. This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. WereWolf (talk) 18:37, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I will not edit it again but it needs to be open for a debate because it's inaccurate info. Again....PLEASE go check out the band's official biography titled Red Hot Chili Peppers: An Oral/Visual History in 2010. Anthony's book is NOT A BAND BIO. The RHCP book is written in the band's own words with interviews from almost every single band member in their history and is the ONLY book released by the band and endorsed by them. Nowhere in the book does it mention Zander Schloss name at all. So tell me why would the band's official bio omit a band member completly and never mention him or interview him like they did with everyone else? Zander states in his bio he was trialed for four days, Anthony in his book clearly states he was going to take John's place however after four days of rehearsals it didn't work out. The end of his comment however is very misleading but he was never hired. Rehearsing to be a replacement on tour is not being hired. He rehearsed, it didn't work, end of story...Arik was hired shortly after to offically replace John.

Here is Anthony's quote from his book: We would go on to Austrailia where we would meet up with Zander Schloss who WAS going to take John's place. Zander was a talented, zany, soulful, comic sensibility. We had seven days to teach him enough songs to rock out Australia. Zander met us in Sydney where we started intensive two-a-day rehearsals. But after four days, it was clear to me and Flea that this wasn't happening. Zander was playing the songs but it didn't feel like the Red Hot Chili Peppers. When we told Zander he was devestated. You'd thought he was with the band four years and not four days. Jason1978 (talk) 12:46, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

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Ballad of ole betsy[edit]

Has this now been played in the regular set? I notice the reference note has been removed from the song but there is no explanation in the edit summary.
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RHCP Tours[edit]

I am not sure why you feel you have certain authority over other editors but you do not. I do not need your permission to make any changes to any article, major or minor. I removed all information that had no notable connection with the tour. On Wikipedia, we do no assume information, only things that are sourced. I provided two sources setlists and listed the city of origin. Nowhere did I make an assumption they were the only two setlists performed. You provided an unsourced list of songs that cannot be proven if performed or not. Josh Klinhoffer has been touring with RHCP since 2006, so how is he magically joining them on their "current tour"? Given the fact the SAWT was their last tour and he was a part of it. More importantly, there are at least five sources that state the tour begins in September. Why are you including dates from July? This article (and the others) are about the concert tour, not a promo tour for the record. That is why they were removed. My information comes from research. I don't pull things from the sky. If you have information that contradicts mine or another editors, show some sort of proof, besides your knowledge as a "fan". Wikipedia is a not a fan site and we do just assume information on here. If you have an issue with that, you are more than welcomed to start your own wiki. Itsbydesign (talk) 05:54, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

You removed most information that was notable to the tour.
I didn't provide a unsourced list of songs. I provided two links: one to http://theside.free.fr/ which is one of the longest running RHCP tour sites around and one to their official website. Both links are also provided at the bottom in the external links section. I don't understand adding just two random setlists to the page. It gives off the indication to OTHERS that by showing two setlists that is all they are doing.
The tour did begin in September. I never said it started in July HOWEVER they played a bunch of warm-up shows in support of the album which are included in the I'm With You touring process. Just like with every tour they do a month or two of warm up dates before kicking off the full world tour. Josh Klinghoffer was touring as a backing guitarist in 2007 for the final legs of the tour. He became their lead guitarist replacing Frusciante in 2009. I sorta think that's pretty noteworthy of mentioning it in the article that since the 2006 tour they lost their guitarist after 8 years and he was replaced by Klinghoffer. You also removed all mention of the backing touring musicians as well, Mauro Refosco and Chris Warren who have appeared at every show during every song.
You posted during their break while Kiedis recovered from his injury they were inducted into the HOF. Again... this is not true. They were inducted in April while on the first leg of their U.S. tour. Kieids was already recovered.
And if you want to talk about providing unsourced info...you completly renamed each page with made up tour names. The Tony Flow Show? Your reasoning was that was their name for that tour, which is wrong. It was for the first two dates. 23 out of the 25 dates they were known as Red Hot Chili Peppers. Each tour didn't have a flashy name like you gave it so again, these are personal changes being made as you see fit and how you want it to look though none of it is fact.
Like I said....i'm not saying you can or can't edit all you want however you come along and make massive edits, remove info you personally feel is unimportant such as band members, members joining, songs, tourdates...which to a touring page seem pretty important to me and so far for the past year have been at least to everyone else who has made any edits to the page. Again, I noticed you have been warned more than once for randomly doing this. Not sure why all of a sudden you decided to make massive edits to the RHCP touring pages.Jason1978 (talk) 02:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
The band was inducted into the RRHOF on April 14, 2012. The last tour date was April 12, 2012 and the next concert was April 25, 2012. That sounds to be like a break in their touring schedule. The band went on a promotional tour for the album. It has nothing to do with the concert tour for the album. Since you appear to be so hellbent on including the information, include it in the article for the album. This article pertains to the concert tour.
As for the setlist, you cannot place your way of thinking onto everyone else. Just because YOU wold assume they are the only two setlists they are doing doesn't imply that everyone else does. Anyone with common sense can see that there are over 100 dates not the tour and only two setlists, that notate date, city and venue, will put two and put together and realize that those setlist apply to those dates and venues--not the entire tour.
The sources you provided are not reliable. The policy clearly states, "Anyone can create a personal web page or pay to have a book published, and then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources"
Furthermore, we don't assume information. Until dates are made public for Australia (there is ZERO source for Africa) the tour ends in Nov 2012. When future dates are added, the article will be updated accordingly. You are on your 2nd revert of the article, not revert will result an a ANI.
I am not a fan of RHCP so I am neutral in this situation. What the fans deem notable is not important. I will reiterate, you IF have any issues with ANY EDITS that ANY EDITORS make, YOU need to provide SUPPORT for your claims. The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Itsbydesign (talk) 06:48, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


In the article you state that Kiedis suffered his foot injury and the tour was postponned. While on the break they were inducted into the HOF. It's completly misleading and completly implies during the break prior to the tour resuming they were inducted. Two weeks into a tour, 4/12 show, 4/14 HOF, 4/15 Obama show isn't a break. April 16-26 is a break. In the article you wrote following the ceremony they played the Obama event. Again...comes off as misleading. The Obama event was 24hrs later but makes it seem like it followed the ceremony that same day.
As for the warm up dates...you yourself created a tour background section and the first line mentions they played warm up dates/festivals in the tour background section. So how isn't the tourdates do not belong in this article but you can mention them as being part of the tour? As the article states...the the tour is in support of their tenth album. Warm up dates, world tour BOTH fall into that catagory. Furthermore...can you explain why you removed dates from the actual world tour including two full shows Dec 19 and 31.
Care to explain how sources like the band's official website not reliable? www.redhotchilipeppers.com is not a reliable source because it's of the THREE sources I provided with the song list. There is even a link in the article to the official bootlegs released through the band so that's four sources, two from the band's actual website providing info on the songs played. It seems very pointless to add two random setlists rather than a full listing of songs. You personally picked out two random setists of your own choosing.
Not sure why you seem deadset on completly hijacking the artice and then throw out unfair warnings as threats when I did nothing to even warrant one. Furthermore I have already asked more than once to take this to the article's talk section before making more edits so others can weigh in on the debate however you seemed to have ignored that and for somee reason you seem hellbent on removing everything I have posted or the articles I have created, are making threats so I wont edit so I asked for a Wikipedia:Dispute resolution (WP:DR) Jason1978 (talk) 07:11, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
I am not sure what you are not understanding but I will repeat that I do not need your permission to make edits to any article or justify my reasoning for editing to you. Whining about editing an article for over a year means nothing to me or any other editor on this site. For some reason, you appear to believe I am at a lower intelligence level than yourself and that I am oblivious to what your are attempting to do.
Bottom line is the article was riddled with non-notable information relating to the main subject. It is pointless to have an entire section dedicated to the RRHOF induction. What does it have to do with the tour? What is the point of highlighting a concert event and movie that has zero connection to the tour? You want to detail promotional dates, include them on the album's article, where the information is relevant.
What you are doing is adding unnecessary fluff. It's like an editor asking for an article on peaches and you write an article on peaches but 90% of the article is about the state of Georgia. A lot of the material that you are debating has no or minimal connection to the tour. Every edit was explain in edits summaries and I have done so on your talk page, referencing policies to support my changes.
Regardless of time spent or fandom you have towards RHCP, you must remain neutral when editing Wikipedia. You are rationalizing your thoughts based upon your bias. No one thinks you like and to assume others do is foolish. As I stated, you bare the burden of proof for changes. All of my additions are accompanied with a source. If you want to challenge that, provide support for your theory, within the guidelines of the policies. Itsbydesign (talk) 11:54, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Since you asked:
  • promotional tour: a series of events with the intent of increasing sales and/or public awareness of a product
  • concert tour: a series of musical performances presented to an audience

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Again, and I have said this more than once, I don't care who edits the article. I didn't create it, many have edited it however usually when it's edited there are reasons behind the edits other than I personally think it's fluff and doesn't belong. Some of the stuff in question, the so called fluff I never added. It was others who added and was accepted in the article up until your edits. I however created many of the band's other tour pages and as you can see none of them contained a massive load of your so-called fluff however you decided to rename some of them giving them made up names with no sources behind the name changes.

With the promotional dates...here is what YOU placed into the article: Before the tour commenced, the band played several one-off shows and music festivals[5]; including the Summer Sonic Festival. If the promotinal tour has no connection to the article/tour why mention that? Why not post that in the album section? As for your defintions of promotional/concert tour...10 out of the 15 of the promotonal dates full shows in front of full capacity auidences. Their Asian leg of the tour was on the promo leg. Both are tours in support of the album, to promote and sell it. The warm-up/promo dates however differ because they aren't confined normall in arenas like alot of the tour is. They were in clubs, festivals, ballrooms etc.

I'm not biased towards the band when it comes to editing. I keep everything accurate and backed up with proof like we are supposed to around here. What I posted in the tour section is about the tour, happened during the promotion of the album/tour. I do however know a little too much about this band but i'm not biased towards them. My fandom takes a backseat when editing or creating articles however it does tend to make it easier to notice made up edits/vandalism when you know alot about the subject of the article and the main article is vandalized alot. I have always worked with everyone fairly, rarely if ever having problems like this and if they are, they are quickly worked out.

Look...this is obviously going nowhere and never will so I ask if we can come to a comprimise. You layed out your opinions and reasons for changes, I layed out mine. I think you added alot to the article and made it look more cleaned up. I will leave out the so-called "fluff" however would like to re-include the song listing (and again the link i'm providing is their official site) and warm-up dates (again since it was you that mention them as background for the tour it falls in line with the tour's history). Of course I don't need your permission to edit it just like you don't need mine but i'd rather try to work together than argue everyday. Jason1978 (talk) 04:58, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

July 2012[edit]

First warning[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article I'm with You World Tour, please cite a reliable source for your addition. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for how to cite sources, and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Itsbydesign (talk) 06:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Wow that's pretty childish of you. I respond to you and you hit me with a warning for no reason yet it is you that is editing the page without citing reasons for your edits and making up falsee information like tour names. I have provided links time and time again since I started posting on here in 2006. Jason1978 (talk) 06:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
You referenced a fan site and an open wiki as reliable sources and you wonder why you are been cautioned of verifiability? I've provided a link that says specifically that those type of sites cannot be used. What's childish is your response. You deliberately added those sites thinking I'd be aloof to them. This is why you were warned. With each response you make, you are further cementing ownership. Itsbydesign (talk) 12:01, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

I referenced three links. The band's redhotchilipeppers.com, theside.com and setlist.com however you seemed to have overlooked or ignored the band's official site as a source. I didn't deliberatly add those sites like you said I did. You said I was not providing sources and I added not one but three different ones that included the info I was adding to the article. Jason1978 (talk) 05:02, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

July 2012 – Questionable claims of sources used in "Songs performed" sections[edit]

Yesterday you added "Source:<ref>http://http://backstreets.com/setlists.html</ref><ref>www.brucespringsteen.net</ref>" as the source for your "Songs performed" sections in four Bruce Springsteen tour articles: Wrecking Ball Tour, Working on a Dream Tour, Bruce Springsteen with The Seeger Sessions Band Tour, and Ghost of Tom Joad Tour. I find this hard to believe, because www.brucespringsteen.net has no set lists before 2009, meaning it has nothing on the Sessions Band Tour or the Tom Joad Tour, and because backstreets.com has no set lists before 1999, meaning it has nothing on the Tom Joad Tour. In fact I don't think you used either of these sites for when you originally added these sections in the Wrecking Ball or Working on a Dream Tours either, because doing so would require a lot of work. I believe you just pulled results off of http://www.setlist.fm, or a similar site, where they are already aggregated and listed. Just as you did for Born in the U.S.A. Tour and Tunnel of Love Express Tour and Magic Tour (Bruce Springsteen), where you added these sections without any source at all.

But http://www.setlist.fm is a fan-maintained wiki, and not suitable as a WP:RS. In fact I suspect those most of the "Songs performed" sections you've been adding to tour articles all over Wikipedia are not adequately sourced, in addition to being of dubious value to the reader. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:32, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


I get my Springsteen info from either greasylake.org, backstreets.com, brucespringsteen.net or brucebase.com. I used backstreets.com or brucespringsteen.com for more recent shows but try and include brucebase and greasylake as well. Sometimes I guess I dont, my mistake. Those sites include every setlist, from every tour dating back to pre-E Street Band and always have the setlist up within an hour after each show as seen here: http://www.greasylake.org/setlists_lists.php. With those sites you can easly type in song and see when it was last performed. setlists.com is worthless and a site that anyone can add to or update and doesn't provide detail like those Springsteen sites do which I why I dont use it. I have used that as a source in one other non-Springsteen article to provide 3 matching links but that's a different story between me and someone else. I always try and post sources/links (many times more than one) with edits or explain the edit since I first started editing and creating articles on here in 2006. Stuff can however be edited by anyone or removed. In this case I normally would put a source link following the song listing so since you brought this up I went back and added to the sources providing further proof.

And I have not been adding them all over wikipedia. I only keep watch/edit three bands. The layout of the song listing came originaly from someone else so I decided since one article had it, I would start to add it to other articles of that artist. Originaly they had one setlist posted for the entire tour, which seemed misleading. I changed it to the full song listing (and someone else decided it was better to include the albums the songs were associated with.

Check out how I changed the Wrecking Ball Tour article with the songs performed list. I made them hidden so the article looks less cluttered. If the songs remain I will do that for each article (with sources of course).Jason1978 (Jason1978) 02:18, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

You've now added "Source:<ref>http://www.greasylake.org/setlists_lists.php</ref>" as the source for many of these sections, but you've still left in brucespringsteen.net as a source for the Sessions Band Tour and Tom Joad Tour. How is that possible?
And what makes greasylake.org a usable source? Per its own self-description, "Greasy Lake is a fan-based, fan-operated Bruce Springsteen website. That means we have no relations and no contact to Bruce Springsteen or his management whatsoever. ... Greasy Lake disclaims the responsibility for any negative effects caused by erroneous information published here. We don't have the time, nor the means to doublecheck all information." Does that sound like a WP:RS to you?
Finally, I've rarely ever seen tour articles with "Songs performed" sections; you are responsible for most of the ones that exist. (A lot of articles about tours with fixed setlists include the setlist, but that's a completely different situation.) As I originally said at Talk:Working on a Dream Tour, the information in these sections you have added is overly detailed and violates WP:NOTADIR. It tells the reader nothing about how often a song was performed, or what thematic meaning it had in the set, or anything else. It's just a list. In fact, for the Working on a Dream Tour, a GA article, it's downright misleading. It shows every song of six early albums being played, but that's because those albums were being performed in their entirety at selected shows. It shows almost all the songs of Working on a Dream being played, but the one of the most notable things about that tour is how little he played material from that album! I agree with you that posting just one random setlist from a tour is meaningless for artists like Springsteen. But just writing down every song that was played is equally meaningless. And adding "Soundchecked/not performed" songs is further total trivia - what about "Practiced in hotel room"? Or "Rehearsed at Convention Hall but abandoned because it sounded awful"? Then you've added even more trivia in as annotations on the Magic Tour, such as "'Cynthia' (last performed 2003)" ... do you really think it's notable that "Cynthia" got skipped on the Vote for Change, Devils and Dust, and Sessions Band Tours?
Good tour articles have narrative sections that try to describe the themes of tour shows and which songs played important roles. For possibly the best example, check out Zoo TV Tour, to my knowledge the only tour article to reach FA status. What you're doing is the opposite, and for both sourcing and content reasons, I do not believe these "Songs performed" sections belong in these articles. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:13, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


The U2 article is well written however on the otherhand I have encountered editors who feel articles like that are too wordy. Springsteen i'm asuming you know can play 100+ songs a tour, plays rarities, alot of covers so of course doesn't stick to just one setlist. I noticed with U2's articles they pretty much list every song performed throughout the article. You mentioned triva, I was told in the Wrecking Ball Tour article adding the tribute to Clarence Clemons was considered useless info. Really? A founding band member dies and the tribute his band plays to him on the tour shouldn't be included and is useless info? I also don't know how the article is misleading because it says in the article Springsteen started to perform full album shows towards the end of the tour. Of course I listed all the songs performed like I did in each article. This tour just so happened to feature the only time he felt like performing full albums.

Have you looked at the Pearl Jam tour articles? Like Springsteen they don't stick to one setlist and always change it nightly. They also happen to list the songs performed the same way I did in the Springsteen articles although minus the albums the songs were on. Oh and none of it seems to be sourced either. Take a look at Ten Tour, Backspacer Tour, Riot Act Tour etc. It's all the same and NO, I had no role in editing their articles.

Look at Paul McCartney's tour articles especially his 2011 On The Run Tour which includes 28 different setlists in the article. Really is 28 different setlists needed? On top of that, you want useless triva, ALL of his tour articles then list out every song performed in a large layout and detail what instrument each band member performs on each song. It already once lists each band member's name in the article and instruments they play. Jason1978 (talk) 06:00, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Regarding U2, the tour articles do what they're supposed to: describe the meaningful aspects of the tour, not list all the tour details. Regarding Zoo TV, there's a lot of text there because it's one of the most famous and most written-about tours of all time. And there were about 55 songs played on it; the article mentions only about 25 of them, the ones that had an important role in the shows. Regarding Springsteen, how the death of Clarence was handled is the most important thing to describe about the Wrecking Ball Tour - continuing at all, Jake, the full horn section, the unnamed mention of Clarence (and Danny) during "My City of Ruins", the explicit pause (and later video tribute) during "Tenth". Anyone who argued this is trivia is totally wrong. Regarding the Pearl Jam tour articles, I don't think "Songs performed" sections belong there either. Regarding the McCartney tour articles, yes I've seen those before, the table of instruments vs songs is ridiculous and the 28 different setlists is ridiculous. But these are all WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:44, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

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Adding utter useless trivia to articles[edit]

Jason1978, we discussed the dubious value and sourcing for your "Songs performed" sections before, but at least they were songs that were performed. Now you are adding "Soundchecked/on setlist but not performed" lists to tour articles. What is the rationale for this? These articles are supposed to be about what was played at concerts that audiences heard. They are not about what was not played or what audiences did not hear. For example, at Tunnel of Love Express Tour you have listed about 50 songs in the "Soundchecked/on setlist but not performed" list - a longer list than the songs that were performed. And what is your sourcing for this? A fan site, Greasy Lake, that is not a WP:RS to begin with, and that furthermore, doesn't list any "Soundchecked/on setlist but not performed" entries for any of the shows that I've checked. But even if they did, this information is of no value to the article - it's just the bottom level of Bruce trivia for Bruce ultradiehards. It's the kind of stuff that belongs on the BTX fan boards, not here. And you've added this to a dozen articles at least. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:41, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


Everything has been in the article since July. If you go and look at my edits, the soundcheked/onsetlist info has been in the article since July. All I did with my recent edits was divide the sections, make them hidden like I said I would when we discusssed this before. Like I said before...there are many articles on here on here that have tour pages similar to this with full song listings however you have pages like Pearl Jam and David Bowie that feature ZERO sources/links to any of their song listings yet that doesn't seem to matter to anyone. Jason1978 (talk) 06:33, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Checking again, it looks like in July you were listing "Soundchecked/not performed" but now you've expanded it to "Soundchecked/on setlist but not performed". But regardless of whether I mentioned this in July or not, what is the rationale for including such songs? The Pearl Jam and David Bowie tour articles do not include these - they only mention songs played in the shows themselves. The same with every other tour article that shows setlists. There is no rationale for including soundchecks (mostly heard by roadies and janitors only) and setlist changeouts (heard by nobody). This is fancruft of the worst kind. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:05, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


I did expand the name because the other Springsteen articles had that. If it's such a major problem I can remove them however is there are reason the various other articles I mention with no sources are ignored? As for roadies/janitors only hearing these songs...it's usually the fans who attend that post info on the soundchecks because like I said, Springsteen is known to allow them in to hear the soundchecks. On this tour he has been coming out performing special acoustic performances for the fans allowed in early if they have a General Admission/Pit ticket. Those other artists mentioned are not known to do this so I doubt soundcheck info for every performance is easily obtainable for Bowie. He also makes various onstage changes to his setlists and takes sign requests that are not part of the setlist which is why on setlist, not performed is mentioned. It was supposed to be played but wasn't. Jason1978 (talk) 11:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I know what you're talking about - I've been to lots of Bruce shows - but listing such songs still isn't significant to a general audience. The text for the article for the current tour should mention the practice of special pre-show acoustic appearances, as those are real performances for a subset of the actual audience. But not soundchecks - those are practice, not performance. As for setlist dropouts, no also. We describe what he does, not what he doesn't do. (And the sourcing for these things is very patchy, as you know. Tours in the 1980s don't always have reliable setlists known, much less soundchecks. And even on the current tour, the Bruce website has stopped putting up handwritten setlists and fans are guessing what the changeouts were.) Please respect the fact that you are writing for a general audience, not a fan site, and improve the quality of what you are doing here. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:32, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

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RHCP at Sullivan Arena[edit]

The easy answer would be in a recent edit summary I saw in another article: "Wikipedia isn't Ticketmaster." You must have missed the link to WP:CRYSTAL I provided, which clearly states that an event which hasn't taken place yet should be notable enough on its own merits to mention ("Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place."). That they announced an upcoming concert offers no guarantees that it will actually take place, hence the reference to The White Stripes. Judging from your contributions and talk page, your fanaticism for the Red Hot Chili Peppers is perhaps admirable, but not quite what is needed to make this event notable. Your edit summary which states "It's Red Hot Chili Peppers" probably says it all. Except that the article you're editing is about the Sullivan Arena, not the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and isn't standing up as encyclopedic content pertaining to the Sullivan Arena, for the reasons I outline above. RadioKAOS  – Talk to me, Billy 20:07, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, is it possible to add an imagine of an RHCP performance in the page roll on the red tour? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.250.36.33 (talk) 11:33, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah sure it's possible. There are plenty of photos from the Hyde Park show out there which was released on CD. Jason1978 (talk) 04:54, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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All of my changes have now been provided with a proper link from the band's official website. It was my mistake because I forgot to add the link, thought I did. Yesterday they released a timeline giving correct dates for all of their releases, events in their history. http://redhotchilipeppers.com/timeline Jason1978 (talk) 08:12, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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Discogs contains a photo of the actual 12" with a sticker containing the info. Not sure what other proof is needed.

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Oh I missed that, sorry. --Laser brain (talk) 21:46, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

No problem...and discogs has been very reliable since everything there is for sale. I have bought a lot of this stuff there. RHCP have a lot of rare promos from all over the world that many do not seem to know about. --Jason1978 (talk) 06:09, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

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Responding to your comment about unperformed Springsteen songs[edit]

This is in response to your comment on my talk page about Springsteen's setlists. I'm well aware he does a handwritten setlist for each show, that he often deviates from it once he actually takes the stage, and that on the Working on a Dream Tour he simply left a couple of spots essentially blank with the notation "Requests," or sometimes just a question mark, to reflect the "signs segment." Springsteen's own website, which contains concert info only as far back as 2009, published the handwritten setlists for tour dates in 2009 and 2012 (but, notably, not 2013 or 2014). Springsteen's website is clearly a reliable source. Other websites are not necessarily so. Greasy Lake, for example, states that the site is fan-based and fan-operated, expressly disclaims any reliability and says they don't double-check information, and says they are not responsible for errors. A site that explicitly says they do not double-check cannot be considered a reliable source according to Wikipedia's guidelines. The "Brucebase" wiki site does not satisfy WP:RS because it doesn't give any source for the information—it's simply posted by anonymous individuals. Obviously, just because something is on the Internet does not automatically make it true, and anyone who's ever revised anything on Wikipedia knows that it's susceptible to misinformation from (a) well-intentioned but overzealous people who take rumor as fact and (b) pranksters who deliberately set out to falsify information. I'm not suggesting a site like "Brucebase" regularly suffers from those problems, but there's nothing preventing it, and I also firmly believe citing to a wiki that does not include sources may violate Wikipedia's ban on original research.

But, setting all that aside, the bigger question when it comes to songs listed on a setlist and not ultimately performed, or songs soundchecked and never performed during the show, is how they are relevant here. This is an article about a tour and about what was actually performed on the tour. If there were a particular reason for a song being dropped at the last minute and a reliable source could be offered, then it might be noteworthy (but again, it might not)—suppose, for example, Springsteen had been scheduled to perform a concert in Asia on September 11, 2001, and shortly before he took the stage word of events in New York and Washington came in and he dropped "Darlington County" in response in favor of a subdued set. That might be notable. But otherwise, except for obvious situations (adding "Viva Las Vegas" in that city, for example), generally nobody knows what went into Springsteen's decision about whether to add or drop a particular track, so there's really no significance to it for purposes of a tour article. It's trivia. The "External Links" section of each tour article is a fine place to include links to Brucebase, Backstreets.com, Greasy Lake, etc., for people who are truly interested in delving into that level of minutia. But unperformed songs and soundchecked material simply are not notable for the tour in general. After all, it's well-documented that some artists (Paul McCartney being a good example) routinely soundcheck stuff they never add to the set, whereas others (Springsteen, for example) sometimes soundcheck songs they're considering adding—but even then, they may or may not actually add them.

I guess this is a long way of addressing two issues. The first is the WP:RS issue. The second relates to guidelines such as WP:NOTNEWS and WP:IINFO, both of which strongly counsel against the idea that every single appearance an artist like Springsteen makes, and every single song he might perform at every such appearance, automatically deserves mention on Wikipedia. They don't. Wikipedia doesn't attempt to provide a show-by-show database because it's not the function of an encyclopedia and because there are other sites for that purpose and they perform the job admirably well. Certainly there are particular instances that deserve mention. The performance of "Sun City" last week in Cape Town is one such example because of where it was performed, the song's meaning, the country's history, and the song having been banned there in the past. But something like a song off the Wrecking Ball album not being performed is minutia. A very good guideline is the ten-year test, which suggests asking, "In ten years will this addition still appear relevant?" In the context of a Springsteen tour, in ten years will anyone other than hard-core Springsteen devotees (who are likely to be well-aware of the other sources for detailed concert information) care that he soundchecked a particular song but did not perform it?

Another way to consider this issue might be that in 2008 and 2009, the "signs segment" often saw the revival of songs Springsteen hadn't played in 30+ years. That's relevant, it's interesting for the context of that tour, and it's worthy of mention. What song was played when is not—for example, "On August 23, 2008, at a show in St. Louis Springsteen began the show with Then She Kissed Me, a cover of a Crystals single he had not played live since 1975" is overly detailed for this sort of article. In the WP:10YT context, in ten years the Magic and Working on a Dream Tours will still be memorable for the "signs segment" and the seemingly-spontaneous nature of that part of the show, but what songs were actually played in that segment will likely be of far less interest except to the devotees.

You also mentioned the acoustic pre-show sets. I'm well aware of those (I wish he'd perform one in Washington, DC, sometime!) and I think as a general matter Springsteen's occasional practice of doing that bears a brief mention, but that's all it has to be. Saying that on dates X, Y, and Z Springsteen performed acoustic sets two hours before showtime and listing what songs he played is again getting into excessive unnecessary detail that's better provided through the fan sites. Saying that at a number of shows Springsteen revived a sporadic practice from past tours of occasionally coming onstage to perform a few songs for early arrivals in a solo acoustic performance is sufficient. It's a bad idea to make too big a deal out of this because it's obviously not a routine practice—it's the exception, not the rule. (Of course, who knows? Maybe he might change his practice so as to make it routine, although that seems unlikely. If he does that, then the article can obviously be revised later. That's an important consideration as well: It's not a good idea to try to draw conclusions in advance based on a three- or four-song sample. Appearing early in Johannesburg doesn't mean he'll do the same thing in Sydney or Auckland or wherever. I'm sure everyone with tickets would love to have some way of knowing!)

Please understand that I'm not trying to attack you with these comments. I can tell you're interested in the topic and that you're probably quite knowledgeable about Springsteen's tours. That's a good thing. It's just a case where it appears you're often a bit too eager to include every bit of detailed minutia without giving serious thought to whether the average reader (who, let's face it, is unlikely to be a serious Springsteen devotee) either wants or needs that level of information. I guess in a way it's sort of like responding to e-mail. We all know how sometimes it's important and necessary to take a step back and say "do I really need to say that?" and "is it really a good idea to send this?" I think that same principle often applies to adding heavy detail to Wikipedia articles. 1995hoo (talk) 14:47, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I completely understand where you are coming from and do not consider it an attack. I understand the reasoning behind not adding the songs not performed. Your reasons are much better than some I have encountered. There have been some back and fourth debates on if songs performed/setlists should even be added. Someone a while back was constantly removing them. Considering most band's tour articls feature songs performed or a setlist, I didn't see why Springsteen should be different. Also noticed you mentioned DC...I am from Maryland and go to all the DC/PA shows. Hopefully an announcement happens today. Looks like if rumors hold up, the PA, NY, DC shows could be in May. Seems like forever since that Nationals Park show. Wouldn't mind a return there (though staff handled it poorly getting into the venue). Pit tickets were easy to get for that show.Jason1978 (talk) 10:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

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hey, I'm aware of the picture (and countless sightings at various venues). However, the picture itself is not a quality reference, meaning not up the quality standard that wikipedia tries to provide. As long as there is no confirmation via a reliable source (such as springsteen's official page, shorefire media, billboard.com or other respectable sources) it is regarded as a rumour and does therefor not belong in that article. nashvillescene.com clearly states in the article that is not confirmed yet, therefore it does not belong on this page. we expect the official confirmation of tour dates any minutes, until then it is suitable for this article. please adhere to the quality standards of wikipedia. zwirnie (talk) 13:54, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

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