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- 2 terran computational calendar
- 3 Important Notice: Your 2013 Arbitration Committee Election vote
- 4 Books & Bytes New Years Double Issue
- 5 Books and Bytes - Issue 7
- 6 One-time pad
- 7 ISO 8601
- 8 QUIZ?
- 9 Common sense, no?
- 10 Not cool
- 11 GMT and summer time
- 12 IBM style guide
- 13 ISO 8601 and 3-letter month abbreviations
- 14 ISO 8601 thread
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Books & Bytes New Years Double Issue
Books and Bytes - Issue 7
I'm not sure how to edit user comments. I know that random OTPs can be secure against Charles by using a random substitution instead of mod 26. You know this too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony717 (talk • contribs) 03:47, 3 August 2014 UTC
- I am not convinced you know what a one-time pad is. Please explain what you think a one-time pad is, and how your version would be different. And who is Charles? Jc3s5h (talk) 09:22, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Could you explain further why you undid my edit on ISO_8601 - the information is not relevant to the article as it has nothing to do with the standard. I also quoted WP:V because the original source, full text, cites as its source for the civic claims this article: The Civil Reception of the Gregorian Calendar a self published puff piece by the Vatican. That text selects Japan, China, Russia, and European countries (implies a few others) and promptly comes to the conclusion that "the world has been united in the secular use of the Gregorian calendar dates." Unfortunately, Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia, Nepal, Iran, Afghanistan, India, Sri Lanka, Cambodia, Thailand, Japan, North Korea, Taiwan, Bangladesh, Israel and Myanmar either do not use Gregorian, use multiple, or their own "version" of Gregorian (example: India 7 months have 30 days, 5 months have 31 days and all but 3 individual states employ additional calendars). JMJimmy (talk) 07:54, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- ISO chose to use the Gregorian calendar. For readers who might not recognize the name, it is relevant to point out this is the most widely used calendar in the world. The Explanatory Supplement to the Astronomical Almanac is a widely respected work and its authors are fully competent to make statements based on their own knowledge. Doggett does not cite "The Civil Reception of the Gregorian Calendar" as a source for the statement in question, although a few pages later he does suggest Coyne et al. as a source for those interested in the history of the Gregorian Calendar.
- The phrase used by Doggett and in the article is "serves as an international standard for civil use" which I believe is reasonably well-qualified. "Civil" eliminates calendars that are only used for religious purposes. "International" implies use when a particular instance of writing or speech should be understood by people from several different countries. With those qualifications, I think the statement is true. Jc3s5h (talk) 14:03, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- About Doggett: according to The LeRoy E. Doggett Prize for Historical Astronomy the American Astronomical Society has instituted a prize for the history of astronomy in memory of Doggett. The page also indicates he served as director of the U.S. Nautical Almanac Office from 1991–96. This suggests he was fully competent to make statements about the prevalence of the Gregorian calendar based on his own knowledge. Jc3s5h (talk) 14:12, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- I would disagree with the well qualified part - in researching this I found that paragraph of text lifted near verbatim in dozens of sources many of which did not recognize the qualifiers and their slight modifications to the text often made it absolute. (he also made several critical errors in the equations) While we can agree to disagree on that point, the point remains that it's irrelevant to the article. The line immediately after makes the connection with the Gregorian calendar without bringing in the "civil use". Civil use is documented within the Gregorian calendar and bringing it into a standard that is only about formatting of dates doesn't really serve any purpose. JMJimmy (talk) 19:59, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- I maintain that it is relevant to briefly describe to readers what the Gregorian calendar is for the benefit of those readers who don't realize that the calendar they are sure to be familiar with is called the Gregorian calendar. Jc3s5h (talk) 21:07, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
WHASSAMADDER WID DIS to make u wanna revert? Consistent formatting throughout articles has got little to do with citing sources per se. It about not using dmy and mdy in the same article and is not touching on yyyy-mm-dd dates nor AP style dates. I've reverted. --¡digame! 02:23, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
- There is no agreement as to whether WP:MOS and its subpages governs citations or WP:CITE does. WP:CITE does not require date format in citations. In fact, it does allow one to follow an external style guide, such as Chicago Manual of Style or APA style. Indeed, an editor might be using software that automatically formats the citation in one of these external styles, and imposing any format change from WP:MOS would prevent the use of the software. If the external style calls for a different date format than what is used in the body of the article, that is allowed by WP:CITE.
- In my opinion, it's a pity the community can't decide which guideline is in charge of citations. This kind of problem will continue to occur until one of two things happens:
- WP:CITE is deleted and all useful information in it is transferred to WP:MOS.
- WP:MOS contains a prominent statement that no advice about the formatting of citations is allowed in that guideline, and any such advice must be contained in WP:CITE.
- Jc3s5h (talk) 14:46, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Common sense, no?
Hi Jc3. I don't understand why you reverted OC at MOSNUM on the harmonisation of date formats in articles. I think if you raised it, there would be no objection, since it's entirely consistent with the rest of our guidelines on within-article date-format consistency. Tony (talk) 02:38, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
After all that discussion why would you go and make a bad faith edit completely changing the meaning to exactly the opposite of what was discussed and call my attempts to include what is actually in the standard "ramblings"? JMJimmy (talk) 16:13, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
- I can no longer persuade myself you have a sincere interest in improving the article so will pursue dispute resolution. Jc3s5h (talk) 16:38, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
GMT and summer time
Thanks for the talk page note. I agree with it. But I do think it should be emphasized that the essential difference between GMT and UTC is Daylight Savings Time. If there were no Daylight Savings Time, there would be no need for UTC, and GMT would continue to suffice as the official global timekeeping reference. Br77rino (talk) 21:27, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
- There are several different modern time scales that are akin to GMT. Two of the better known are UT1, which in effect is the mean solar time at Greenwich, and International Atomic Time (TAI), which started out the same as UT1, but the two have drifted apart because UT1 is based on the rotation of the Earth, and TAI, which is based on atomic clocks. Today they are different by more than 30 seconds, and the difference is growing. It's impossible to find one time scale that works for everything; if you try to use TAI when you need UT1, astronomer's telescopes point in the wrong direction. If you try to use UT1 when you need TAI, spacecraft crash into planets and cell phones stop working. UTC is a compromise that nobody is very happy with. The next important decision on what to do about the mess is supposed to come in 2015 at the World Radio Conference.
- Also, I'm American, and I'm also a ham radio operator. Ham operators use UTC a lot (sometimes calling it GMT). Among the people I know, GMT does not observe summer time. So if the British people think GMT observes summer time and Americans think it doesn't, the term is pretty much worthless. Jc3s5h (talk) 21:49, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
IBM style guide
Just to let you know I agree with your latest post, but prefer to give others a chance to reply before doing so there myself - it seems very slow, with the anti-MiB brigade yet to make its appearance. It is the spirit of the IBM guide that is important here (use IEC prefixes where they are helpful and not otherwise), not the letter. My purpose is, and always has been, to end the pointless deprecation. Dondervogel 2 (talk) 18:33, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
ISO 8601 and 3-letter month abbreviations
I honestly don't think I can help because I know nothing about dates. The only reason for even mentioning ISO 8601 was that it was the subject of the MIT post that mentioned 3-letter month abbreviations. Nevertheless, if you can summarise the concern in a couple of sentences, I would gladly read them and make what comments I can. Dondervogel 2 (talk) 10:29, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the offer. The section ISO 8601#Dates begins with an overview of dates, and provisions that apply to all dates that are to be represented with the standard, then there are detailed subsections about different parts of the date. My concern with the part between the "Dates" section heading and the "Years" subsection. I argue that it is incomprehensible and excessively detailed. User:JMJimmy seems to feel that while the writing needs some improvement, the all points it covers are essential and should not be omitted. The talk page section specifically addressing the readability is Talk:ISO 8601#Readability and context. Jc3s5h (talk) 10:37, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
ISO 8601 thread
I agree with the closure of the ISO 8601 thread. You never said what admin action, if any, you were requesting. You made a claim, which was completely contrary to fact, that the article was "locked" with incomprehensible content. Please do not start inflammatory but useless threads. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:29, 18 August 2014 (UTC)