User talk:Jdcrutch

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House Rules[edit]

I'm glad to engage here in conversation and debate with fellow Wikipedians, and to receive their comments regarding my contributions to Wikipedia. Please note that if I respond to comments posted here, I will do so on this page, and not on the talk pages of other users (though I may post something on their talk pages to let them know that I've responded here). I don't like it when a talk page contains only one side of a conversation.

If people start using this page as a forum for debate, which they're welcome to do, I'll post some rules intended to keep things civil and interesting. For now, I'll just point out that if I come across here as excessively formal or stand-offish (for instance, by referring to people in the third person, instead of addressing them directly), it's not because I think I'm so great, or want to be unfriendly. It's because formality and decorum in debate are good manners, and they're the best way to keep a discussion from getting tiresome.

Jdcrutch (talk) 16:49, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Activated debates[edit]

Hi Jdcrutch. I invite you to feedback on my views in Talk:List of names in English with counterintuitive pronunciations, I'm encouraging all involved since January to do so.Adam37 (talk) 10:27, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

House of Burgesses[edit]

You claim there have been "other legislatures" called the House of Burgesses. Care to name one? I don't see any mentioned on Wikipedia. Rklear (talk) 17:44, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

That was fast! See Speaker of the North Carolina House of Representatives: "The office evolved from the office of Speaker of the lower house of the legislature in the Province of Carolina, called the House of Burgesses." The members of the Lower House of Maryland's colonial legislature were called Burgesses. The official style of the house appears to have been "the Lower House", but it was commonly referred to, both colloquially and officially, as the House of Burgesses.[1] [2] I'm sure a search of the Web would reveal others.

Jdcrutch (talk) 18:10, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I am going to copy this conversation to talk:House of Burgesses of Virginia for further discussion.--Kubigula (talk) 21:43, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


  1. ^ "House of Delegates". Maryland Manual Online. Maryland State Archives. Retrieved 5 July 2013. 
  2. ^ Elihu Samuel Riley (1906). A History of the General Assembly of Maryland, 1635-1904. Baltimore: Nunn & Co. pp. 26, et passim. Retrieved 5 July 2013. 


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Lexington - Home of the $100 Tapas[edit]

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Thank you Dr JD Crutch, JD for your kind words regarding my Virginia tid-bit. I notice that you were at W&L. I made my first visit to Virginia a couple of months ago in May 2013, visiting my daughter, now working at Sweet Briar College. She was keen to take me on a history-based tour of the region. As I am British, she took me to see Foamhenge (as part of a joke). This led to a visit to Lexington, Virginia for an evening meal. I found the place charming (at least for a brief visit), but I was impressed by the level and variety of notable people who were at one time residents there. Sam Houston certainly didn't just stay and sit around at his original home, but it was in Rockbridge County, just outside Lexington. My wife is a 9th generation Virginian (but didn't grow up there), so she was impressed that both Jackson and Lee were on college academic staff there (one before and one after the Civil War). I was impressed that even in such a small city, they worked at different colleges. I believe it was Lee who brought "your" separate School of Law into W&L. But the historical footnote for me is my own "Story of the $100 Tapas". We looked through the windows of several restaurants on Main Street, but due to a one-day cash flow mistake, I had to be careful of the cost - particularly as I have a major illness that sometimes (not always) makes it too difficult to eat in public. Then we noticed Brix - a new(?) tapas restaurant. My experience of tapas in Spain was the small amount of food and correspondingly price of these "snacks". So we dined there. My wife and I both chose the day's special "halibut tapas" (not priced). The food was VERY good, and just the tiny quantity I could handle. But the bill (without drinks - we only had water) for three was exactly $100 - a lot more than the full plate offerings on Main Street. So I now call it "Lexington - Home of the $100 Tapas.

The thumbnail associated with this message is of another Lexington alumnus of W&L (then still Liberty Hall, just before G. Washington's endowment). Who is it? The file name should appear in a "Tool Tip" as the mouse hovers over it, and that'll answer the question. ChrisJBenson (talk) 11:55, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm charming, but hardly departed[edit]

I'm not dead, nor have I stopped contributing to Wikipedia. Thanks for thinking my humorous remark was charming, though. I would also suggest you watch your throwing around "coon" so flippantly.Camelbinky (talk) 14:24, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Warning noted. Jdcrutch (talk) 15:18, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

September 2013[edit]

Information icon Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals), is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:38, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Information icon Please do not delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Such edits are disruptive and appear to be vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:53, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome, although I've been around for several years. I was careful to edit only the formatting of the Village Pump discussion, not any of the other contributors' text--not even spelling or punctuation. If even that is against the rules, please let me know, and I'll gladly undo it. Jdcrutch (talk) 03:41, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Adding the tags like "Procedural oppose" to other people's comments isn't allowed, because it looks like they wrote that then. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:46, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
I see. Sorry about that. I saw that other discussions were formatted to show "Opposition", "Support", "Comment", etc., and that the section I'd started wasn't. I assumed it would be acceptable and helpful for me to make it like the others, as long as I left other people's text alone. I appreciate the trouble you went to, taking out my formatting and restoring the text. I would have done it myself, if you'd asked me to. Jdcrutch (talk) 03:53, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


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Hello, Jdcrutch. You have new messages at Skamecrazy123's talk page.
Message added 01:25, 16 November 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Sorry about the length of the message I left. Skamecrazy123 (talk) 01:25, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

It seems quite short to me! Hope my response isn't excessively long. Jdcrutch (talk) 13:10, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
I have answered back to your reply. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 21:38, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Slave Power[edit]

I didn't really "move" anything as such, I merely adjusted indentation levels for consistency and clarity in showing reply relationships (though the diff view isn't good at displaying this). See Wikipedia:Indentation, Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Others' comments subsection "Fixing format errors".

As for the other matter, it's hard to discuss whether something is a conspiracy theory without trying to decide whether it has a basic grounding in reality or not... AnonMoos (talk) 07:39, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

@AnonMoos: No worries. As I said, I presume good intentions. I've been scolded by a veteran for similar helpful adjustments, but I don't know the rules as well as you seem to.
I think your understanding of what a conspiracy theory is is inconsistent with Wikipedia's definition. It appears to me that a conspiracy theory may involve quite a lot of reality—may even prove correct—and need not be a symptom of insanity or folly; and that your objection to the classification of the "Slave Power" article under "Conspiracy Theories" rests on a too-strict definition of the category, apparently inspired by a belief that the "Slave Power" was not a theory at all, but an established fact. You're certainly entitled to that opinion, which some reputable scholars share; but a neutral, encyclopedic point of view, it seems to me, requires the article to acknowledge the mainstream view, which I take to be (and I believe I have Leonard L. Richards's support for this, unless his book has changed the mainstream view), that it was a theory, and, in many of its manifestations, a paranoid theory.
Jdcrutch (talk) 12:48, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
I wouldn't say that "Slave Power was an objective fact"; rather, I would say that some of the basic political analysis connected with Slave Power rhetoric had a great deal of objective validity during the 1852-1860 period, when southerners and southern-sympathetic northerners always controlled the Presidency, the Supreme Court, and the Senate (while the House went back and forth). Is there any reputable historian who does not believe that southerners and southern-sympathetic northerners controlled the Presidency, Supreme Court, and Senate during that period?? AnonMoos (talk) 13:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
P.S. If you want to see a real conspiracy mindset at work, just look at the "Stephen and Franklin and Roger and James" passages in the House Divided speech, but for some reason I doubt whether the Abraham Lincoln article has been added to Category:Conspiracy theorists... -- AnonMoos (talk) 13:55, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Ways to improve Alex Marshall (Journalist)[edit]

Hi, I'm Kudpung. Jdcrutch, thanks for creating Alex Marshall (Journalist)!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. All journalists are published as part of their work. Citations to the subject's own work and WP:Primary sources do add notability. More independent 3rd party articles with in-depth coverage about tMarshall are required.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:38, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Driehaus Architecture Prize nomination for "In the News"[edit]

Hi! I nominated today's Driehaus Architecture Prize laureate Pier Carlo Bontempi to be featured on the start page of Wikipedia at "In the News". It'd be great for the whole discipline if you could support this nomination.

Please go there: Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#Driehaus Prize and add Support or Strong Support. Thank you! All the best, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 15:26, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

It'd be also very helpful if you could also support this request (click!), so the Driehaus Prize would be considered to be included at "In the News" every year. Thank you, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 17:59, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, but I'm completely ignorant of these matters and have no opinion about the Driehaus Prize.

J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 18:45, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. It's just that I saw you editing a relevant article of this field. Thx for your reply! -- Cheers Horst-schlaemma (talk) 19:51, 29 March 2014 (UTC)


Just wanted to expand on my reversion of your reversion, because the brevity of edit summaries can lead to them sounding brusque, and I didn't want that. I removed "then-current" not just because it's bad writing from a stylistic standpoint, but also because it's bad writing from an informational standpoint. Anytime a sentence includes the phrase "then-current", it can be removed and leave the reader getting exactly the same information they would have otherwise, just with less wordiness. When the reader reads, "In 2006, a ceremony was held at which Vice President Dick Cheney gave a speech", they automatically conclude that Dick Cheney was Vice President in 2006, unless there's some other qualifier like "former" or "future". (This is also why Wikipedians need to be careful not to write things like "In 2006, former Vice President Dick Cheney", which happens with some frequency.)

I suppose "then-current" does tell the reader that he was no longer Veep at the time the sentence was written, but it actually doesn't tell them that he's still no longer Veep now. And if we assume, as writers, that that's a piece of information the reader needs, it requires us also to assume that the reader is themselves assuming that because Dick Cheney was Vice President in 2006, they should expect him still to have been Vice President at some indeterminate point in the future when the sentence was written. That's simply not how people react to the material they read.

Again, apologies for the terseness of the edit summary. I do feel emphatically that the revised sentence is a more useful one to the reader, and that no reader learns anything from "then-current" that they haven't already learned without it, which is why I'm sticking up for the revision. Binabik80 (talk) 21:34, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I very much appreciate @Binabik80:'s cordiality, but I still disagree.
"Then-vice president Dick Cheney" does add information that "Vice President Dick Cheney" does not convey, as Binabik80 indeed suggests. Specifically, it informs the reader that, at the time adverted to, Dick Cheney was vice president, but that, at the time of reading, he no longer holds that office. Compare the case of a divorced woman, who has remarried, referring to an event that took place during her first marriage, involving her first husband. If she speaks of "my husband", without qualification, she seems to refer to her present husband, not her former. To be clear, she must refer to "my then-husband", or "my husband at the time". A reference to a former vice president is analogous.
Further, "Vice President Dick Cheney" improperly accords a title to Mr. Cheney to which he is not presently entitled. In a democratic republic, in which the offices of government are held only temporarily and are matters of popular election, rather than personal status, it is important, when we refer to former office-holders, and especially to recent former office-holders, that we acknowledge that they no longer hold office. (This is particularly important in a self-consciously international publication such as Wikipedia, whose readers cannot be presumed to know the length of an American vice president's term, or, indeed, the name of the present incumbent of that office.) At any given time, there is only one person entitled to be referred to as Vice President, without qualification: viz., the current holder of that office. (An exception would involve an extended narrative, set firmly in the past, in which all participants might properly be referred to according to their then-offices or titles, such as an account of the Nullification Controversy, in which it would be appropriate to speak of "President Jackson" and "Vice President Calhoun".)
As a courtesy, we would address a former vice president as "Mr. President" (or maybe "Mr. Vice President"--I don't know the specific protocol); but in general we ought to refer to him as "former vice president So-and-So", or (if referring to him at a particular time in the past) "then-vice president So-and-So".
As for the unsightliness of "then-vice president", that's a matter of taste, which I would say does not justify revision where, as here, another editor's version has substantive arguments in its favor.
I hope Binabik80 will find these arguments persuasive and will undo his recent revision. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 15:43, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
I was making some other revisions to the "Legacy" section, and, since Binabik80 hasn't replied to my arguments above, I took the liberty of reverting "Vice President" to "then-vice president". If he can't live with that, I suggest we compromise by simply deleting the reference to Mr. Cheney's speech, which is in the nature of current events anyway, and is by now outdated: given that the speech is not notable in itself (otherwise it would merit its own article), I submit that neither where Mr. Cheney made a speech in 2007, nor who made a speech at a small historical observance in 2007, is notable in 2014. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 14:52, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Emerald ash borer[edit]

Hi Jdcrutch, I noticed your edit on the emerald ash borer page. I just wanted to let you know I'm currently working on condensing both Emerald ash borer and Emerald ash borer infestation down to concise content with reliable sourcing and (the infestation page has more problems with that than the species page). This will hopefully get to the point of re-merging the pages when a lot of redundant or unneeded content is parsed down. I've been taking the time to albeit slowly put reliable sources together and come up with a rough outline of what the merge might look like (some content is just copy/pasted from the articles and hasn't been condensed yet) here: Basically I'm willing to answer the call to put in some time into the article to source content as I was planning on that already, so if you have any suggestions in mind that you've thought of but didn't want to spend the time on, I'm definitely open to looking into them as I continue plunking away at edits. Thanks! Kingofaces43 (talk) 21:19, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Glad you're on it, and I'll look forward to seeing what you come up with. I don't have any specific suggestions at this point. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 22:37, 1 July 2014 (UTC)