User talk:Jerzy

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Rough Overview of this Page

1. Welcome to the Page for "Talking" to Jerzy (Talk-Page Front-Matter)
   1. About Communicating Here
   2. Note to Non-Native Speakers of English
   3. Links to my Discussion (User-talk page) Archives
   4. Detailed Table of Contents of whole page
2. Messages to Jerzy and Dialogues with Him

Welcome to the Page for "Talking" to Jerzy (Talk-Page Front-Matter)

Communicating here

Leaving me a message

The end of this page is always a good place to leave messages to me, and for most users, by far the easiest ways of doing that is:

1. You probably have simulated file-folder tabs (not "browser tabs") at the top of the box enclosing the text that you are reading from: rectangles a little taller than one line of text, with the fourth tab from the left reading something like "+" or "+comment". Click on that tab -- or here.
2. Fill in both the single-line edit pane with the title or subject of your message.
3. Type your message for me into the larger edit pane below it.
4. As the last line, type

   --~~~~

5. Click on the "Show preview" button, and proofread what is displayed.
6. If changes are needed, make them and repeat the the previous step (and then this one).
7. Click on the "Save page" button, making your message a new "section" on this page.

Leaving followup messages

If you previously left me a message on this page, and now you have more to say on the same subject, follow this link to this page's Table of Contents. If it hasn't been too long, you should find the section with the previous message from you, and to its right a link reading

[edit]

1. Click on that "[edit]" link.
2. Confirm (perhaps by previewing) that it's the same section as before.
3. Type type more below the old message in the larger edit pane (below the preview, if any).
4. As the new last line, type

   --~~~~

5. Click on the "Show preview" button, and proofread what is displayed.
6. If changes are needed, make them and repeat the previous step (and then this one).
7. In the small edit pane below the larger edit pane, type a few words summarizing what you're adding (and preview and revise if appropriate).
8. Click on the "Save page" button, replacing your previous message a new longer one including it.

Guide to the Rest of This Page

The remaining material consists of

• A warning about a highly idiosyncratic aspect of my grammar
• Help finding things that were previously on this talk page, but have been moved

  (These are some people's top priority, but most will prefer to jump to the Table of Contents, or add a message at the end.)

• A Table of Contents listing every section currently on the page
• A number of sections each containing either messages from on editor, hopefully each on a single topic, or a two-way discussion

Note to Non-Native Speakers of English

Years ago, i got stuck in my brain the idea that there's something wrong about modern English singling out the first-person singular pronoun to be spelled with a capital letter. So i spell it without the capital -- except at the beginning of a sentence, or when i'm not the sole author. If you follow my example, native speakers will just figure you're ignorant of the basics.

(I also say the above, and a bit more, on my User page.)

Links to my Discussion (User-talk page) Archives

"Phases" of my Talk Page

The remainder of this section is dynamically transcluded from my "Past Archive Phases" page.

These phases can be used not only for their text, but also for verifying the date & time when specific edits occurred and what registered or "IP" user at Wikipedia made the edits, via each phase's edit history.

• Phase 10's future content is currently being accumulated at User talk:Jerzy, from discussions starting on or after 2009 August 1 (or expected to continue from before that date), and will be copied to the subpage Phase 10 at a later date.
• The Phase 09 page covers discussions active during 2009 July.
• The Phase 08 page covers discussions active during 2009 June 21 (at noon) -30.
• The Phase 07 page covers discussions active during 2009 June 16- 21 (at noon).
• The Phase 06 page covers discussions active during 2009 June 1-15.
  • Progress report: (I got lazy; i should have cut Phase 6 off in mid-June due to high volume, but here it is mid-July.)
    I think i won't have "to break the pattern" after all, instead splitting the history (and content), with hindsight, at the points where i would have if i had had foresight abt the volume of upcoming discussions! Phase 06 (temporary) is not a phase, but a work space: i moved the talk page there to start accumulating new discussion on the newest User talk:Jerzy page, and now am in the process of undeleting portions of the temp to provide both the edit history and the content (after removing excess) of several new phases. I'll continue to update this template to provide current guidance, mostly a little ahead of actual implementation. Some archived content will temporarily be available only to admins, at times when i'm fairly actively working on this process.
• The Phase 05 page covers discussions active during 2009 May.
• The Phase 04 page covers discussions active during 2009 April.
• The Phase 03 page covers 2009 February 1 through March 31 discussion-starts; although the voluminous discussion concerning a dispute resolution process is mentioned and linked (and "included by reference") from the point at which it originated (on the talk page that has been renamed to Phase 03), its content is at my Proofreader77 subpage.
• The Phase 02 page covers 2009 January 1 through 31 discussion-starts.
• The Phase 01 page covers 2008 September 1 through 2008 December 31 discussion-starts.
• As to Phase 00 (in the sense of the remaining period talk page's existence):
  • Discussions started from 2006 February 20 to 2008 August 31 are covered, as to both editing history and content, by the Phase 00 page.
  • Discussions started from 2003 Sept. 3 through 2006 February 19 have their discussion content in the "Topical" and "Mixed-topic" archives linked below (directly and via a date-range-organized index pg, respectively); their editing history is presently part of that of the Phase 00 page.

    If the material were more recent (or if interest is shown) that page history could be subdivided using administrator permissions, producing at least a corresponding separate history for each of the two phase 00 periods just described. The process could certainly be extended to reunite the presumably non-overlapping "Mixed-topic" archives with their respective edit histories. Doing the same for the "Topical" archives would surely be more onerous, and if there are duplications of these discussions in the "Mixed-topic" archives, one copy of the history would have to be manually assembled by copying from the DBMS-generated history pages, and pasting to an ordinary content page.
    

Notes re history irregularities.

Mixed-topic Archives

These are more chronological than my Topical Archives listed in the immediately previous section, exhaustive (outside the "Topical Archives" topics) for the periods they cover but (presently and probably permanently) cover only through 18:43, 1 April 2006 (UTC).

• User talk:Jerzy/Archive Index

Note that the Mixed-topic Archives are content-only archives, and the page history entries of the corresponding individual contributions will be found as part of the page history of User talk:Jerzy/Phase 00.

Topical Archives

These include nothing newer than 2004, and each concerns one area of interest, sometimes oriented toward an article or articles with the same subject matter, sometimes otherwise connected.

• TRAC Programming language (6.7 kB, 2004 Nov 8)
• Carleton College (9 kB, 2004 Nov 6)
• Wikipedia Categories (9 kB, 2004 Nov 4)
• Turkey (often re Armenians) (19 kB, '04 Jul - Oct)
• Jerzy as Administrator (16 kB, '04 Sep- Oct)
• Dialogue with Adam Carr (14 kB, 2004 Jul 16)
• List of people by name (14 kB, '03 Dec - '04 Mar)

Note that the Topical Archives are content-only archives, and the page history entries of the corresponding individual contributions will be found as part of the page history of User talk:Jerzy/Phase 00.

TABLE of CONTENTS

Access to Most Recent Entries of ToC

(If the page gets large, it's easier to scroll back up into the ToC from here than to scroll down thru it from its top.)

Messages to Jerzy and Dialogues with Him

• I think the discussions that are still not reflected here will progress no further.
  --Jerzy•t 05:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
  

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Former Titles of the Section that This Section Concerns:

Talk page work

Talk page work > American warning

This section still awaits testing as the target for the following lks to titles that were formerly on this talk page:

• User talk:Jerzy#Talk page work
• User talk:Jerzy#Talk page work > American warning

User talk:Jerzy#Talk page work > American warning and

User talk:Jerzy#Talk page work .3E American warning.

[[User talk:Jerzy#American warning]]

[[User talk:Jerzy#> American warning]]

[[User talk:Jerzy#Talk page work > American warning]]

[[User talk:Jerzy#Talk page work > American warning]]

User talk:Jerzy#> American warning

Details, and the removed material from that section and its successor, are now at User talk:Jerzy/Proofreader77 DR.

Notices:
I hereby give due notice that i place the following reasonable constructions on the apparently widely accepted statement that i have seen on at least one project-space page, to the effect that msgs removed by a user from their own talk page may be presumed to have been read by them:

1. Archiving a talk page, with a link to the archive, does not constitute "removal" in the sense intended in such statements.
2. Removing the text of a discussion on a talk page for stated good cause, stating that cause, stating that it is to be considered as "included, by reference, as part of" the page, and providing a lk to it on another WP page, does not constitute "removal" in the sense intended in such statements (nor for that matter is it equivalent to "archiving", FWIW).

In light of each of those constructions, and the statement that follows this paragraph, i note that (altho i at least skimmed large sections of the former text before my statement to the effect that i did not intend to give attention to further additions to it), i do not warrant myself as having detailed knowledge of what i read, nor sufficient knowledge to place what later portions i have since noticed into any meaningful context. I thus declare any inference that i am informed about the material in question to be abusive and unfounded.
I have removed from this talk page the text of the section most recently titled "Talk page work >American warning", because its length approximated 26.5 Kb, rendering impractical normal use of the talk page without neglecting the long-standing request to avoid letting pages approach or exceed 32Kb in length. It is, however to be considered as included, by reference, as part of this talk page. For perhaps a few days, it can be accessed on my archive at User talk:Jerzy/Phase 03#Talk page work .3E American warning, and i will alter this section accordingly, when that material moves from that archive page to its own page.
--Jerzy•t 08:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

• The removed material is now at User talk:Jerzy/Proofreader77 DR.
  --Jerzy•t 18:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  

Disambiguation

I think this deserves an award for most information crammed into an edit summary. So, here's the worlds smallest barnstar: ·  ;-) —DragonHawk (talk|hist) 01:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks; i think there was room for a little more info if it had mattered, but i seem to recall there was no more than a character or two left. Fortunly bran cnstruz abrs wel!
  --Jerzy•t 02:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
  

Talk:Formal

re Talk:Formal

Hello. I've tried to start discussions on the Talk pages of all dabs tagged for clean-up. I'm afraid I can't really contribute to the issues at SR - I'm not great with the technical issues, but your points made sense - and so i thought I'd let you know that discussions have been started about other pages you tagged, including the one linked above. Thanks, Boleyn2 (talk) 21:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks, i think that'll be a valuable move.
  I suspect you of being overcautious about giving your opinions about what Dab'g issues, in places where the best we can probably hope for is for someone apply the own creativity in away that others don't disagree with enuf to matter. But then, i know that i often let that inhibit my work as well, and of course you know the most about when to stick your neck out a little more.
  BTW, i note you tagged the Dab Blackleg, which i found very satisfying to work on. Much more so than i would imagine that ugly Formal one to be!
  Also BTW, you might be interested to take a look at the edit i just made on the lead section of Talk:Formal; you can preview what happens when you change the parameter from "no" to "yes". As to {{TOCright}}, IMO un-commenting it is useful, if the hdgs get bulky, until the number of non-lead sections gets beyond 3: IMO ToCs smaller than 3 or 4 are too small to be useful (except for their ends to serve as the targets for lks), but large enuf to be distracting and use up vertical space unless kicked over to the right.
  --Jerzy•t 22:27, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
  

Thank you, I bore your advice in mind about being overcautious and got through a few more. I really hate it on the few occasions I get angry messages from other editors and so I worry a bit too much about that. Best wishes, Boleyn2 (talk) 17:40, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Clarification on dabs

re User talk:Boleyn/Archive 2#Disambig Q

Hello. I recently got an enquiry from an editor because I prodded a page which listed people who just had the same given name and middle name. They pointed out that they couldn't find anything on MOS:DAB to back up my point that this was unencylopedic and shouldn't be there. You can see my most recent correspondance on this topic if you go to User talk:Boleyn/Archive 2 and the section 'Disambig Q' where I've quoted responses from you and Slackermom on this issue in the past. I don't know if MOS:DAB has changed or if it was never clear on there. What do you think.? Should MOS:DAB be changed? (Personally, I think it should, be I'd never edit that page myself) Boleyn2 (talk) 08:28, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Strange heading

Hiya. You made this change, which left an odd section header. I wasn't sure what you were trying to do, so I've left it for you to finish off. Cheers, Trafford09 (talk) 21:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

• I thot i was sure what abt i was trying to do, but thanks for the heads-up! I you want to grasp it, tell me either what already get, or what you don't; i'd be glad to clarify.
  --Jerzy•t 21:59, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
  

Problem solved. The further change you made to the heading - adding a second '{', some minutes before your above comment - has corrected the problem. No need for further clarification. Thanks, Trafford09 (talk) 12:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Testament Records disambig page

re Testament Records

You made several edits, some of which I understand. But you give no explanation for your changes to the explanatory text and removal of links that were there. I thought the original versions were better: easier to understand and more useful, so I am planning to change them back. If you would like to discuss it, please respond to this. Thanks.--Robert.Allen (talk) 18:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

• Maybe, rather than assuming "Dab-CU" serves to explain, i should resume routinely lk'g such edits to both MoSDab and Dab. Experience editing WP does not prepare one for editing (much less creating) Dab pages, which are not articles and thus not pgs intended to be treated as instances of many (& probably most) WP guidelines and policies. I suggest you study those pgs first (since you'll need to in the long run anyway), but i would be glad to comment on specific issues specified by you, either before or after your doing so.
  --Jerzy•t 18:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
  
  • Thanks for the links, I should have seen them before I guess, but somehow I missed them. I still think the explanatory text is a bit confusing, at least it was initially to me: it seemed like a dictionary entry saying they were British and American terms. Also, since there are only two items, I'm not sure a section heading "Record labels:" is an improvement. I skipped over it entirely when I first saw the new version of the page. I may make some small changes back. If they aren't acceptable, then please revert them.--Robert.Allen (talk) 18:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
    • Don't feel bad abt missing those guidelines; if i seemed to imply "you should have known better", i misspoke. (In fact, i had thot to myself "How do i add a single link that encompasses both links?", and have a couple of thots.) IMO, editors who go around trying anticipate and read all the guidelines they're going to need are wasting their energy.
      I think the most important thing is to resist reading a Dab page. Unless you can master the knack of imagining what someone does, who gets to the page bcz of either looking for, e.g., Testament Records, or following a lk from an article, the tendency is to sabotage by "making it read better" what is hopefully optimized as a navigational aid. If the user looks at the two entries and immediately clicks on one, the page is perfect for them, even if they don't understand what they've seen. For users to have to read "record label" in both entries, when we have no articles on anything but record labels as a candidtates for the title "Testament Records", is a waste of their time. Until there are entries that don't fit under the single heading, not noticing it is a plus (and the lack of other headings is probably the reason you overlooked it). The only purpose of the heading at present is to have a read-once globally applicable place that the rare user who gets there, not looking for a record label (or not realizing that that's the nature of the thing the article referred to), can refer to for reassurance. (And perhaps guidance: knowing they are labels increases the helpfulness of knowing one article pertains to matters British and one American: e.g., British and American cars and records (as opposed to songs) are much less available to the UK or US respectively, than are the literary works of the respective countries -- thus when the rare user who didn't grasp that the reference in a WP article or outside page was about a label, the national or genre info is suddenly cast into a new light. (Even tho most users would be wasting their time by reading those extra words, and certainly by reading them twice, once in each entry.)
      --Jerzy•t 22:27, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
      
• Well, I'm not sure whether I agree or not. Acutally, I'm not totally sure I understand what you are saying. The extra explanation comes at the end of each entry after the links to the actual pages, so the user may not even need to go that far. In any case, I like it the way it is now. Can we leave it that way? --Robert.Allen (talk) 23:19, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
  • I'd like to say the rest in the context of observing that your "classical"-music interest should prove to make you substantially valuable to WP, and i hope to see your work continue.) (I particularly took pleasure at seeing both Feen & Varnay among your contribs!) That said ...
    Well, those are not "small changes", as you earlier said you were about to make. (They are everything you had there when i started, except what is explicitly ruled out by the guidelines.) And i can't imagine that you both understand and accept what seems to me the obvious and fundamental principle, repeatedly reflected implicitly in the guidelines, that nothing belongs in a Dab that does not contribute to disambiguation.
    I'm merely tagging it for cleanup, bcz i don't think i have anything left to say, and it's not worth it to me to do otherwise. IMO you've had your BOLD, so please don't change the tag back, but if a colleague with substantial Dab-cleanup experience sees no further CU needed and de-CUs, i'll be satisfied. Hope to see you around the 'Pedia.
    --Jerzy•t 03:26 & 03:31, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
    

• I consider the relevance of the above discussion to this page to probably be over. It may be relevant at Talk:Testament Records#Too many words?, where i am placing a copy of it, but beyond what i've said in the box, i hope not to participate further.
  --Jerzy•t 03:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
  
  • This seems like a very acceptable compromise, I appreciate your flexibility. And the talk page for the disambiguation page does seem like the best place to put our discussion. Any more would probably be a waste of time for both of us, since we seem to have "dug in", but I can say I think I have learned a lot of new things from it and appreciate your different point of view. --Robert.Allen (talk) 07:22, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
    • Thanks.
      --Jerzy•t 07:24, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
      

Comcast name

I believe you will appreciate this edit; or, for a more detailed explanation, there is this subversive website's description. -- Thekohser 02:42, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

• Nice job, indeed appreciated. My eye was caught by the italics on the word "from", which i was sure was an error. Knowing now that it was made by Angela (who is unlikely to have italicized the whole 6 words unless she believed they were a single name!), i take it to be not a mark-up error, but that rather a (perhaps hasty) mis-parsing by her of the ambiguously worded preceding version. I in turn took that word "from" to be about the relationship between the two italicized phrases, rather than two business entities, with "...cast" coming from letters of the words "CAble SysTems". (And moved quickly along to losing track of the fact that that would leave "Com..." unaccounted for!)
  Yes, i see now that it was the company that would in 1969 become Comcast [Corporation] that was founded in 1963, as your wording and refs each make clear, and i fully endorse your edit -- including the CoI violation that someone who claims to be you describes, since this is clearly a situation where IAR applies: what i assume is your status of having a standing presumption of a conflict of interest seems irrelevant since it is so hard to imagine actual conflict of interests in the specific edit. Even a WP editor can see your info is objectively correct, now that you have done the fine service of sweeping away 6 years of confusion. Well, two transient confusions spanning 6 years, with misinforming effects that continued for 6 years (and could have easily continued another 6).
  You said on the "subversive" site that WP will suck "for business matters" barring its "welcom[ing] businesses to assist ...
  I am far more of a worker bee than Angela, and thus concern myself much more with tactical than strategic policy. Nevertheless, i'll comment that you seem to intimate that CoI is a major alienating factor for you. Even where IAR does not so clearly dominate as this time, i would expect that businesses' frank reps could be pretty effective by presenting their respective firms' PoVs on talk pages, even where actual CoIs seem likely -- as long as they grasp and respect the concerns behind the CoI policy, and occasionally have the patience to let the mills of WP grind as slowly as they often must (whether in grinding fine or coarse).
  In any case, thank you for not leaving us wallowing in squalor in this instance.
  --Jerzy•t 05:44, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  

Nomination for deletion of Template:American politicians Robert Smith

Template:American politicians Robert Smith has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you.
—Preceding undated comment added 16:39, 22 October 2009.

WP:MOSDAB#Specific_entry_types

Re WP:MOSDAB#Specific_entry_types

That you very much for your valuable contribution. Every once in a while, such fundamental things can get habitually overlooked but your keen eye has made a positive reflection on us all. Kudos! :)--Thecurran (talk) 16:54, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

• Really! I initially whether you were being sarcastic. IMO my correction of the misconception about the nature of comet tails was very minor, and worthwhile mostly bcz it might be distracting to others: a irritant better removed sooner than later. The corresponding one at Tail (disambiguation) is almost equally insignificant, and worthwhile fixing only bcz i work so cheap and bcz so little that happens here really depends -- long enuf to matter -- on an individual, that whatever else i might otherwise have been doing could wait.
  I'm responding bcz when i refreshed my memory at MoSDab's edit history, i noticed that you've traded reversions over your arguably analogous edit in the same section, where you prefer "UK" over "England" where both are accurate, bcz "England is not a UN member state".
  Like my edit, yours was of insignificant value, because
  1. neither had significant likelihood of enhancing Dab'n or the writing of Dabs
  2. the omission of either had only a remote chance of contributing to the respective widely held confusions we addressed, by continuing their repetition in either place
  3. users who consider the material on Dab pages or in examples used on guidelines pages as authoritative information are probably misguided beyond our ability to help.

The England/UK one had two added liabilities: you reasserted it by reverting an apparently reasonable colleague who had objected, and your reasoning was so unsound as to be obviously poorly thought thru -- what made you so confident that UN membership is a relevant criterion? Even if it were, do you want us to describe places in Greenland as being "in Denmark"? To give the impression that places on Taiwan are under the control of the PRC, or that places in Kosovo are relevantly "in Serbia"? That Troy was a Turkish city? That places in Israel, Palestine, and Western Sahara do not exist? What about the multi-national communities of Antarctica -- especially if they lie where pro-forma territorial claims overlap? Are you one of the editors who thinks "Washingon, D.C." needs to be followed by "United States"?
I'm sure you want to aid the project, and perhaps this note is overkill, but i hope it is forceful enough to help dissuade you from an edit war, and to help improve your perspective on our work.
--Jerzy•t 02:42, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I do not know if it matters to you but I was not trying to be sarcastic. I still genuinely think you deserve a pat on the back. Now though I stand speechless. :|--Thecurran (talk) 05:52, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

• Excuse me for being vague, and also if i left the impression either that i failed to realize you hadn't been sarcastic or that whether you had was unimportant to me. I thot your interest in the parallel case fully established that you intended no irony. And my point is not about your kind words; it is mostly about the 2nd edit and my concern abt whether an edit war might be in the offing.
  On reflection, i realize i omitted the follow-on to my complaints about your UN argument: i wanted to say that rejecting your argument is not enuf reason to find fault with your edits to the page; i should have continued by saying that a lot of effort has gone into that guideline page, and that tinkering with debatable parts of it -- what are really matters of individual preference rather than objectively bad content -- by going in and editing without trying out your approach on the corresponding talk page, has two bad effects:

1. a tendency to encourage every editor (there are probably at any given between 5 and 6 thousand who will make at least a hundred edits in the next month) who has a new idea for how Dab'n should be done or how that should be stated, or suspects that an established practice deserves to be explicitly stated
2. creating unnecessary chatter in the edit history of the page, with a corresponding increase in the likelihood that those who watch for changes in it will be distracted and muff their review of vandalism or mistakes, which deserve quick repair before a vandal uses them as an excuse for disrupting articles, or a good-intentioned user makes a mess based on assuming that what they find in the guidelines has been reviewed as reflecting consensus

I'd rather you'd

_ looked for a guideline saying that otherwise ambiguous places should be specified (at least on Dab pages) according to UN-membership names (and i'm confident -- bcz i'd have recalled hearing that, and bcz of the contrary arguments i made above -- that you won't find that), or
_ have thot it thru better.

We do say, however, say "edit BOLDly", so given that both of those failed, i hesitate to criticize your executing there first of your edits there (being unsure, as i am, whether at least presumption of need for consensus for changes is stated at the top of MoS pages, as a perhaps weaker version of what i recall on policy pages).
But i think you were being more than bold in the second one, counter-reverting our colleague who disagreed. And that is why addressed you on the matter. I would have hoped that you would drop the matter without the second edit, or open a discussion at MOSDAB to make your case why the longstanding wording should be changed. In such a discussion, i would expect you'd find that what IMO was implicit in the edit summary for the revision you reverted, would be said there by as many different editors as it took to convince you, namely:

both the old wording and your own would be acceptable there, and any difference between them is too small to change from status quo ante.

I am concerned by your pleading speechlessness, bcz i'm probably at fault for producing that, and i'm not sure what to do about it. And i assume that i've failed re the principle "Don't BITE the newcomers". I hope you'll be better disposed now at least to say what will help you feel at home here. Thanks -- for at least the patience i infer if you've read this far.
--Jerzy•t 07:50, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

You have not failed any policy. I failed to realize what the consequences of my actions on the page would have been. I must try to remember to talk first before editing WP policy-type pages. When I started out, I noticed that people rarely respond to talk proposing small changes in articlespace, so I would wait unnecessarily for weeks at a time. I got more emBOLDened and abandoned my earlier practice even though it would have been more appropriate in this space. Thank you very much for responding and clarifying things. Your advice has been very helpful. :)--Thecurran (talk) 05:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Old LoPbN pages

Hi there. I was browsing through Wikipedia's ancient history and stumbled upon the traces of the old List of people by name index (LoPbN), which it seems you were heavily involved with. While the list is long since gone, I notice you still have many user subpages related to it: see one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. As the list seems unlikely ever to return, do you think there's any point in still keeping those pages? If not, you could tag them for deletion using {{db-user}}.

If you do want to keep the pages as a historical archive, feel free - it's your userspace, you can do what you want with it. I just thought I'd bring this to your attention as you might have forgotten about them. Robofish (talk) 23:53, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Outside of your userspace, I also found: Wikipedia:List of people by name, Wikipedia:LoPbN Meta-structure, Wikipedia:LoPbN index-template generation and Template:ToC for LoPbN direct links. Again, it's up to you what you do with these, whether you want to delete them or keep them for historical record. Robofish (talk) 23:58, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

• IMO the retention of both groups is preferable.
  --Jerzy•t 06:24, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
  

November

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to New York Giants (soccer), did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Mohrflies (talk) 13:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

The reversion has been counter-reverted by an third party. The tagging party has clearly confused my even-handed action in a contentious dispute with vandalism.
--Jerzy•t 18:28, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

WPT:MoSDab

re Rdr WPT:MoSDab:

Howdy - I notice you have recently created the above article as a 'redirect' from the main Wikipedia namespace (the one containing the encyclopaedia itself) to another namespace (one used by editors to discuss the inner workings of the encyclopaedia). Such redirects are normall a bad idea - see Wikipedia:Cross-namespace_redirects for some discussion of this. For now, I have removed the redirect. - TB (talk) 15:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

• I created it bcz i had already committed it to an edit summary and don't consider it appropriate to alter the edit history to fix the red link. You've broken a link intended for those seeking to understand the edit i was summarizing, over a trivial bit of clutter. I can understand how that might happen, as a "what links here" on the Rdr's name won't make the use visible, but i am undeleting. If you want to go to the trouble of fixing both the trivial problem you fixed and the larger one that entailed, please be my guest.
  --Jerzy•t 15:36, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
  
  • No problem with you undeleting. In my initial check, I couldn't find any reason for it being there - nothing it its edit history, page text, what links here or talk page to justify its existence - and was hoping you'd be able to point me in the right direction. I can now see the link in the edit history of [Homicide (disambiguation)]] (although I had to use the toolserver to discover this) but can see no way of fixing it other than hunting down an Overseer, sorry. I'll go ahead and RfD the page for now. = TB (talk) 16:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
    • Huh! I regard it as a natural, tho stupid, mistake, but i didn't realize i'd done it before. (I think you'd have found today's ref to it, quicker, by looking at my last few contribs entries.) I haven't thot it thru carefully, and you've gone the extra mile with me already, and i've reached a point where the task within which the Rdr & our discussion were a minor distraction feels done. Lemme take a crack at the admin-only fix i had vaguely imagined, and we can discuss it, tho maybe in tens of hours not within the hour, OK?
      --Jerzy•t 16:17, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
      
    • Actually, the Homicide Dab one is for the WP namespace, and i constantly do that, correctly. In any case, i fixed the problem that made me want to keep it, and feel pretty confident we've broken me of the habit. If there's ever a next time, i expect i'd catch it in preview. Thanks for catching it, and your indulgence.
      --Jerzy•t 07:39, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
      
      • You're a star! Thanks. - TB (talk) 09:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

New York Giants (soccer)

I have done my best to fix the cut and paste moving at New York Giants (soccer) and the relationships article. Please do not move it back. It became clear in the AFD that the original title is the preferred one.--chaser (talk) 01:06, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks. You sound unsure the job is finished, so i'll look it over in the next few days, and -- in an excess of caution -- discuss it with you before trying to get any loose portion of the full history & content back together at that page.
  --Jerzy•t 03:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
  

Don't worry about it. The history merge I did was half-assed on the talk page, but the article is the important part.--chaser (talk) 06:32, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

• OK, now i follow you; i agree that merging the talk history would be gilding the lily. I've just updated New York Giants (disambiguation) to reflect the return of the AfD'd article to that title, and we'll see whether the Dab part is also settled.
  My remaining concern is with the stub for the 1890s soccer team, whose overwriting with a Rdr to the article is IMO improper. I expect to raise that, and any further controversy over the Dab, at MoSDab -- since the issues in those cases are effectiveness of Dab'n, rather than the name or scope of the AfD'd article.
  --Jerzy•t 07:58, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
  

Von Geldern

re: Von Geldern

Hello, Jerzy, I was wondering if you could have alook at this page? I added disambig-cleanup just so what was developing into an edit war between me and anon user could be averted, although it isn't really a disambig page. However, anon feels that I am vandalising the page. I would be grateful for a third opinion. Thanks, Boleyn2 (talk) 20:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for editing it, Boleyn3 (talk) 21:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Joseph Greenberg (disambiguation)

re Joseph Greenberg (disambiguation)

Hello. Just to let you know I've nominated this for deletion; please challenge this if you think it's useful. Thanks, Boleyn2 (talk) 21:14, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• It's IMO a righteous deletion. Thanks for the notice, especially since it is hopefully the last chapter of something, and i guess fittingly low-key in that role. What i speak of is perhaps best documented at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Joseph Greenberg (economist) ... although i'm pretty sure i also had some discussion with User:Angela, around the same time, also relating to the economist. (It was probably my first successful del nom -- i think CSD was a later invention -- if not my first del nom altogether; when i saw yr notice, i remembered making a somehow related nom, but falsely reconstructed it as a failed nom of the Dab.)
  --Jerzy•t 01:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
  

Saoirse (Fenian)

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--Jerzy•t 07:15, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

What you are seeing is the pretty much unavoidable side effect of creating a page which contains much of the contents of another page that used to be visible through search engines: because it currently isn't the bot is unable to find it now and picks up one of the umpteen mirrors instead, it pops its notice up (which is the Right Thing — even if annoying when a split/disambig has been done right — because it so very often was not).

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• Tnx. I don't know why it didn't occur to me that it's driven by RC rather than just prowling, and somehow that feels different. In any case, it suggests that slowing down the process of splitting may help the bot: aren't you implying that if the old version of the page being split hangs out long enuf for the bot to see them coexist, the false positives will be avoided? If so, can you estimate how long is long enuf, as a function of edits per minute?
  --Jerzy•t 18:23, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
  

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Lore Sjoberg

OK, I know you made this comment allllll the way back in 2007, but I feel I should respond. You typed:

FAQK

Half an hour of research leaves me still scratching my head. His (supposed) claim that the added K is for "Kevin", if it was he who said it, supports my speculation that he

1. knows that using it is catchy, and that it's mainly a means of self-promotion, and/or

2. likes the subliminal force of "FAQK you!"

I doubt my thots above exceed original research, but maybe i've missed the body of previous work on this important question. Can anyone write a 'graph for the article? --Jerzy•t 17:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the 'K' standing for 'Kevin' is a reference to the Derek Smart debacle. Sjöberg's FAQ actually is pretty similar to the now famous Derek Smart FAQ. Johnnyt471 (talk) 02:52, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

• My reply is at Talk:Lore Sjöberg#FAQK.
  --Jerzy•t 07:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
  

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John Kennedy

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I was going to lead you back to my talk page but you have fragmented it so badly from your last few edits I can't make sense out of all the layers so I just pasted it here. If you have determined that I do not care or that I am stonewalling you have grossly misread my statement. I was trying to be nice about saying that I think that YOU were in error in YOUR determination that Civil War was more meaningful than Medal of Honor recipient. If you feel like following me around and reviewing my edits feel free but if that is the case then you clearly don't have enough to do and I do enough edits to keep you very very busy. I recommend focusing your efforts on something more meaningful like say doing some editing or creating some articles. If you are in need of some to work on here is a link to some medal of Honor recipient articles that need to be created and here are some, and some more that you could work on. I have even taken the time to add the articles assessment so you can pick and choose the level of effort you want to do. By the way, the more time I spend with your wikidrama the less time I spend doing real improvements to the projec. Your condescending tone and leaping to conclusions is ridiculous. --Kumioko (talk) 02:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Watershed (k.d. lang album)

re Watershed (k.d. lang album)

Hi. A couple of years ago, you made a move that I believe should be reversed. Would you consider just undoing it? The artist has used this case and lack of space between the initials for about 25 years and most of the usages here follow that and I believe we should do it consistently. I'll take it to RM if you like or will drop it if you can convince me otherwise. Cheers, Jack Merridew 21:37, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

• Hi, Jack. My initial impulse (which had delayed my response) was to send a exhaustively nuanced note about all-lower-case names, but the bottom line is that with a work that is permanently a work in progress, consistency is trumped by doing it right, to whatever extent currently feasible, toward the long-term goal of doing it right (and of course consistently within any individual's mentions and probably among people).
  I will digress into (italicized) nuance to some extent -- in fact, more than i expected [shrug].
  Of course we have to say in bios, e.g. "She styles herself as 'k.d. lang', and at one time refused interviews to journalists who would not promise to do so, or whose publications had not honored such promises." -- or whatever the substance is, behind the language "K.D. Lang or, as she used to insist kd lang" at "Live Updates From Opening Ceremony" in NYT).
  I think the issue will at least take years to settle, and i don't expect to take a very active role in its resolution, but i do have a pretty clear and stable position on it. While i am not a language prescriptivist (but a sympathizer of Steven Pinker -- you'll notice that i hold the upcasing of the 1st-person-singular pronoun to be a convention whose value evaporated with the scriptoria), the upcasing of proper names (at least of persons) is, like the delineation of sentences with a capital and a period, a crucial functional measure that, in nearly all formal writing (including, in WP, titles and prose content) is not subject to variation according to the personal choices people make about their names. (However, this is reasonable, bcz of imbedding a list in the prose:

The performers will include the following: Arlo Guthrie, Joan Baez, kd lang, and Melanie.

Can you see the crucial difference in the flow, when instead the only adjacent structure is syntactical?)

I also think it is important to counter your reverence for "most of the usages here". I've paid much less attention to Lang than i did to an early phase re Bell Hooks; while that bio seems to have since settled down to a version i largely approve of, she then had apparently fanatical advocates who insisted on keeping the lower-case name at the start of multiple sentences, rather than letting them be recast to preserve their exact meaning while moving the name to a later position, and on misrepresenting the titles of works that refer to her by downcasing her name in citing those titles. (BTW, i haven't investigated whether the current absence from her bio of those titles, whose publishers or authors upcased her name, reflects selective suppression of counterexamples to WP's relative credulity.) Predominant WP usage is a meaningless indicator to the extent that it reflects the PoV-warrior-hood that (parallel to the R. D. Laing [coincidence!] admirers who regarded all psychiatry as oppression) apparently assume all grammar and rules of style and punctuation are oppression. Lang-mentioning WP articles are likely to disproportionately reflect fan[atic] PoV, especially in light of her bio requiring a 4-'graph Activism section.
However, i do not expect take part in any RM deliberation.
--Jerzy•t 01:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Jerzy. Thanks for the detailed response. My request was fairly casual as I had happened upon one of the Lang articles (cap'd it for clarity;), noticed some inconsistencies in how things were being done, and gave a few nudges in the right (or wrong) direction. I did move one of the other albums to a lowercase parenthetical and the zealots will probably appreciate that. If you knew more of what I do here, you'd see that I've a dim view of fan[atic] PoV; it's a major problem on this project that warrants constant vigilance. I'm not going to pursue a RM and am open to nudges in the other direction. I'll marinate on the whole issue and may be back for help sorting the move I made and mebbe some others. I did not realize that there are other people doing this casing-trick, and, in Lang's case, she seems to have mellowed her stridency a bit.
fyi, the scriptorium has reincarnated quite nearby. I've read one of Pinker's books (Blank Slate) and found it quite interesting. I'm pleased to have met you and will go looking further at your interesting links. You'll have more trouble, however, convincing me to use 'i' a whole lot. Cheers, Jack Merridew 02:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

• 'Sa pleasure, Jack (tho i won't get on the same trans-ocean flight with you [wink]). At this point, BTW, the i thing is pretty much a quirk -- an intellectual fancy that became a habit. Glad Pinker came up; i've been trying to remind myself to catch up on his work (& Dennet's & Dawkins's).
  Moves can drive you crazy, so plz speak up when appropriate. (I'm guessing you're already C&P savvy, and know to ask for admin help when needed.)
  --Jerzy•t 03:16, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
  

  I'm boring on long-haul flights; too much estazolam (and if that doesn't work, cognac; 24h flights are grim). I do go through spates of lowercase-everything. a habit picked-up coding. i am quite aware of case as a lot of things are case-sensitive. i expect you've seen that i've been here nearly as long as you have; i cheated, however, this is a sock account (no block; i have my yellow ticket of leave). i've read most of dawkins, too. welcome to my watchlist… which means i'll be back. cheers, Jack Merridew 04:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

  • Oh, i was obtuse: i wasn't talking abt the flight, but the encounter with your alter-ego after the crash!
    --Jerzy•t 04:36, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
    

    mybad. i'll let you in on a sekret; the username doesn't really refer to me. i'm really ralph. you notice this? poke it with a stick a few times to get the idea. cheers, Jack Merridew 04:59, 23 February 2010 (UTC) (who's real name is david)

    • Well, i got it when Jack's warpaint accompanied my first edit of your page. But you're David in meatspace, Jack in cyberspace, and actually identify with Ralph? OK, you could do a lot worse.
      --Jerzy•t 05:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
      

Metal Gear move message

Previously Elsewhere on Wikipedia:

This discussion began at User talk:KiasuKiasiMan#"Metal Gear (series)" vs. "Metal Gear" with:

While some of the content of the immediately preceding talk secn Metal Gear move is a little more pertinent than the edit-summary on the unilateral action that User:Jonny2x4 took 4 hours later, in light of OWN, you acted reasonably, and Jonny2x4 did not in either his msg above to you or his own move. I hope you will note my response to the situation at Talk:Metal Gear (series)#Reversal of move, and consider participating in the discussion in that sec'n. Thanks for your contributions.
--Jerzy•t 05:19, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Third-party colleagues would otherwise be confused by our succeeding discussion, not knowing that Jerzy used "E-mail this user" from the WP-page Toolbox to write KiasuKiasiMan under the subject line "Wikipedia e-mail re your possible discouragement", as follows:

Sun, February 21, 2010 6:53:16 [re-expressed by Jerzy as UTC]
From: Jerzy [Email addressed suppressed on WP pg by Jerzy]
To: [KiasuKiasiMan tho not reflected on my copy]]
I may be unduly cautious in thinking there may have been a break in your pattern of Wikipedia editing. If you

*have* been logged on and viewing en:Wikipedia pages

since 02-19 (Fri.) 18:09:16, UTC (Uh, 36 hours ago, as i write this, and thus Sat., 02:09 SG time, i think -- can my cell phone be right?),

but *not* since 02-21 (Sun.) 05:19:30, UTC (90 minutes ago; Sun., 13:19 SG?),

then i want you to know you have a new msg from me, since the last message you should have seen.

In any case, i hope to see you edit again before long! Thanks for your contributions.

Jerzy

--Jerzy•t 08:47, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

• I received your message on the Metal Gear move. I was not logged in as I used the https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Main_Page page to log in. As my IP (which is shared by the ISP) had been temporarily blocked by Wikipedia. I'm just leaving this message as a gentle note and thanks for your concern also I have still been editing pages recently haha. :) KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 05:46, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
  • I infer from the quickness of your unblocking that you were not responsible for whatever brought on the block, and that your "haha" expresses pleasure at the quick resolution, rather than at having evaded a block that was directed at you (which would be a serious matter).
    So welcome back.
    --Jerzy•t 08:47, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
    
  • Yes, the shared I.P. address due to the ISP has led to a lot of people receiving messages that do not belong to them and thanks.KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 12:34, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

"(mostly aggressively alpha'd spam) " new term for me

Hi Jerzy. I've not read that term before. I think I can guess it's meaning, but could you expand? Thanks, Dlohcierekim 14:00, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• New for me, too; i invented it on the spot. I observed an unusually large number of Cats, and all but one (which purports to be system generated) had a blank field after the "pipe" (vertical stroke) character, with the effect that the page's title appeared set apart at the top of the listing of member pages, on the corresponding Category's Category-namespace page. I concluded that the large number of Cats and the odd use of the parameter intended for alphabetizing the entries were both intended to increase the visibility of the AfD'd page in question beyond what could reasonably be expected, with the motive of either demonstrating the SOE-providing author's saavy or being viewed by more potential SOE clients.
  And that's a form of spamming via WP.
  Thanks for your interest; i'm going to try to remember to watch the AfD process, and i may weigh in with that as evidence if spam-intentions are cited as a ground for del'n. (I haven't decided whether there's a well applicable CSD, tho i expect there is.)
  --Jerzy•t 19:52, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
  

WOW! That's brilliant. I'll be on the lookout. Dlohcierekim 05:03, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Uh. What does SOE stand for? Also, I saw your note on the AFD. Given the aggressiveness, with what seemed an element of desperation, on the part of the creator to get the article up and keep it up, I have to wonder how far afield you were. (The thing was deleted four times before. 175 deleted edits.) The creator seems by his username to represent a company involved with "Optimized Searching." At least one version of this was a copy of http://www.optimizedsearching.com. That company's web page has at the bottom, "Optimized Search is proudly powered by Kam Technology." It does not seem an overly unreasonable stretch to believe that the creator had the skill to do exactly as you proposed. WP:AGF is a fundamental principal, and one should strive to be courteous even when the ability to assume good faith has been strained. But the assumption of good faith cannot survive in circumstances where there "is specific evidence of malice." Is there such evidence here? maybe not. So we may assume good faith of this user, and allow that he had a conflict of interest that clouded his judgment so that he did exactly as you supposed but without any intent to harm Wikipedia in the least. He simply did not understand that his actions were highly objectionable or perhaps even why. He acted in good faith, but to further personal or outside interests. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 05:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

• Er... SOE is Special Operations Executive, the model for the OSS (see The Good Shepherd (film)). Eventually i noticed my own error, and annotated to SEO.
  --Jerzy•t 06:04, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
  
• As to the AfD issues, i'm not trying to arrive at a position either on good faith or on deletion, but i had erred in construing the evidence, at least on this talk page where you (who was already active, IIRC, on the AfD) would see it, and i felt obliged to point out my error there.
  --Jerzy•t 06:04, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
  

Subway station naming conventions

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Articles for deletion nomination of Giant Armadillo

I have nominated Giant Armadillo, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Giant Armadillo. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.
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• As a general measure, i suggest using strikethru rather than removal of text as the means of retracting your own messages. Strikethru reduces confusion between such innocent removals and vandalism, by maintaining a record that more closely parallels the page's edit history. Thanks in any case.
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"68-pounder" cannot be a Dab page

(My normal practice is to delete nothing except vandalism from this talk page without archiving it. What is being placed in this secn despite my implicit request to keep the discussion where it started is a surprising new case. That content & my replies are at User talk:Geni#"68-pounder" cannot be a Dab page.)
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RE: "Accoutrements (and thus in turn Accoutrement) should soon be speedied; it appears that if anyone cares, it would be you.
--Jerzy•t 20:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
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Actually, I don't care in the least. It's a rather trivial matter. Mike Hayes (talk) 03:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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• I do Dab like crazy, and it offers substantial occasions for refactoring.
  If i were a Good Guy, i'd probably snarl less [blush], especially at those who set up Good Things by facing design challenges that would drive me up the wall. The least i can do is note that i've been if anything overzealous about merging histories of merged pages, but only fairly recently gotten diligent about documenting refactorings in edit summaries, as your bot so wisely counsels.
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  --Jerzy•t 18:16, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
  

Thank you and question

My counter-response is with my original comment at User talk:Eckenrrp#Saint Francis Cross Country.Jerzy•t 00:19, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey thanks for making my article "Saint Francis University cross country" better and I have a question. Could you some how make it accessable from the Saint Francis University page? I'm not sure where this would be appropriate on that page.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Eckenrrp (talk • contribs) 00:12, 13 April 2010

Category sorting

Just a reminder that the DEFAULTSORT markup uses a colon, not a pipe, e.g. {{DEFAULTSORT:140 th meridian}}, not {{DEFAULTSORT|140 th meridian}} —Paul A (talk) 12:52, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

• Duh, thanks!
  --Jerzy•t 18:09, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
  

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Mailer - "not good journalism"

Jerzy, I've responded to your correct deletion of my "not good journalism" citation here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zafio (talk • contribs) 15:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Draga variants

Thanks for letting me know. For the moment I have nothing to add at those pages. In my oppinion the pages Draga (surname) and Draga (given name) could be merged into a single "Draga (name)" but that's just me. Ark25 (talk) 05:35, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

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SIA?

Hi. In this edit you added {{SIA}} to page Odd Fellows. I had a look at Template:SIA, but I'm still confused. Can you briefly summarise the value of adding that template? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

    I consider the tag descriptive bcz the page is not a typical prose-heavy article, but primarily a list that is supplemented with small amounts of prose. I seem to recall that the tmpl makes an SIA sound a little more like a Dab-pg than the criterion that i just stated, and it is possible i am mistaken in this assertion: insisting on such a difference is probably counterproductive.
    I consider the tag valuable in this specific case bcz the page is clearly not presently a Dab page, and retention of the portions that keep it from meeting the standards of WP:MoSDab probably will best serve the project. I did not just now review the history to refesh my memory, but experience suggests that i probably would not have editted it ever (as i probably did, prior to the edit you cite) if it had not by that previous point in time been tagged improperly as a Dab pg. Even if it has not previously been Dab-tagged, i have seen so many, many examples of pages even less Dab-like than it, that some user decided needed {{Disambig}}, that IMO that prospect would be likely in the absence of the {{SIA}} tag. I hope the tag will have the valuable effect of forestalling addition of a Dab tag, which could lead to all the (IMO) desirable prose being removed as part of a Dab cleanup, and in practice lost, being hidden in the depths of the edit history.
    I signed on just now with the specific intention of posting a Wiki-Break template, and intend to avoid most stringently the discussion pages. Please forgive me if you soon seek further response, but i succeed in my intention!
--Jerzy•t 02:12, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that - it all makes sense now, and I now understand and agree with what you've done. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 04:27, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

P.S. I hope you enjoyed your break. Pdfpdf (talk) 04:27, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Wiki-Break

--Jerzy•t 02:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, yeah: He's ba-ack!
--Jerzy•t 16:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Your forgery accusation

I've copied the following content to the colleague's talk page, complied with the request, and expressed regret.
--Jerzy•t 17:03, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
You recently posted on my talk page a level 2 warning claiming that I had forged Template:PRODWarning in order to put an extended middle-finger graphic on a user's talk page. As you'll be able to see by this edit, what you described was not the case; I did not alter the template posting, but rather someone else had vandalized the template itself, and I (unknowingly - I was working through Twinkle and never saw the user's page result) had posted the warning during the period that the vandalism remained in place.

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Jo Parkerson

Re Jo Parkerson:

Hello, Jerzy. I wanted to tell you that this article has tags on it, including as unreferenced, and may soon be nominated for deletion. You created it a long time ago, but if you're able to add references, it should be alright. Thanks for your help with this, Markiewp (talk) 06:41, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

   Interesting walk down Memory Lane. I may analyze further the bizarre edit that it led me back to!
   I don't remove orphan tags until there are three links, myself, but i ditched the Blitzer 'graph; don't know if you're interested in reviewing that call.
--Jerzy•t 11:30, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on it, Markiewp (talk) 08:45, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Three-point turn/standard swap

Thanks for the talkback there. The thing is with these refs (three-point-turn used as a metaphor for standard swap) that they are kinda the ones that I kind know I have read somewhere, where in context it quite appears it was meant as a usual term, i.e. is stated as "the usual three-point turn" or somesuch where it appears that the term is common use already: i.e. the best kind of etymology. Right now I can't think of exactly where, so I will sleep on it a few days, that usually helps. Fortunately now all my books are at home, so when I remember where I will be able to find quite quickly. (I have a kinda photographic memory for that, but need a bit of context as a trigger.)

Si Trew (talk) 11:49, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

re from my talk

excuse me sir, I feel as If I dont deserve the incivility warning after someone lies about my actions after two adminstrators told him that it was not the case. I was calling a spade a spade. (Reply on my talk or here which ever you prefer.)Weaponbb7 (talk) 02:31, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Answering there.
--Jerzy•t 03:27, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

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lol i swear this is not personal Weaponbb7 (talk) 04:45, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

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re: Copyright vio at Ron Eldard

Re article Ron Eldard:

The text in the following box appeared as User talk:Yllosubmarine#Copyright problem: Ron Eldard and was removed by that talk page's owner with a reversion summarized

Undid revision 387057009 by Jerzy (talk) no copyright violation

depriving the succeeding discussion of its context.

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The text you've tagged as a copyright violation was added four years ago, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to template me at this point. Further, seeing as how the direct quote was correctly attributed and cited -- albeit not to the most reliable website on Earth -- I don't see how you can claim it is a copyright violation. Simply remove the quote if you don't think adds anything to the article, and don't template the regulars. María (habla conmigo) 15:00, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

   You've certainly misunderstood my intention. Your citation of DTTR suggests you've "taken [my msg to you] as rude by being impersonal", and if that is so, i regret it. So let me tell you my actual intention: The template in the article is not addressed to you, but to the need that copyright violations be clearly labeled (and, when judged appropriate by our copy-vio specialists -- who BTW do not include me -- removed not just from the text but from the edit history). I would not have made the considerable effort needed to determine your identity as the adding editor if {{copyvio}} did not instruct "Place {{no thanks}} on the talk page of the contributor of the copyrighted material"; i assume {{no thanks}} adequately shares the tone of an editor doing a colleague the courtesy of informing them that deletion of their work is likely after applying a {{Db}} or {{Prod}} tag to it. Even if you find that tone has been neglected by the template's authors, i urge you to treat my use of it that way.
--Jerzy•t 04:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

   Your choice of removing my msg from your talk page by reversion will have to speak for itself, as it is more important that i make a reasonable attempt to convince you that your accompanying judgment "no copyright violation" in this instance is utter folly.

1. You appear to imagine that COPYVIO's purpose is to eliminate plagiarism from WP. In fact, plagiarism and violation of an author's copyright protections can each occur without the other, and direct quotation, attribution, and acknowledgment of copyright are incapable, in any combination, of ruling out a violation of copyright. And diligent removal of copyvios is vital to the project.
2. IANALB i am sure failure of a copyright holder to enforce their rights does not absolve the violator of liability (and in fact i'm pretty sure that every republication of the infringing material -- i.e., every time a server transmits the page -- is a new violation).
3. If you are suggesting that the late arrival of the {{copyvio}} template makes the reality of the violation implausible, you should consider that the year without an evaluation, and the three years evaluated as "Start" class, are evidence of the inadequacy of the attention it has received. We are speaking of a neglected article whose copy-vio could have gone on indefinitely.

I urge you against further comments on any page's copyvio or non-copyvio status, pending adequate study of copyright-related issues.
--Jerzy•t 04:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Material placed on User:Jerzy & User talk:Jerzy by IPs, nominally on behalf of User:The Rogue Leader

(Concerns Jerzy (talk · contribs) & The Rogue Leader (talk · contribs))

The former sections "Not Fair" and "So this is how U treat me?" have been moved to User talk:The Rogue Leader#Material placed on User:Jerzy & User talk:Jerzy by IPs, nominally on behalf of User:The Rogue Leader.
--Jerzy•t 01:51, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Lot

I just noticed that you moved it to Judeo-Christian views of Lot. While I'm not that concerned over what the article is named I think that a discussion should have been first. The primary reason for having a discussion is that there are a possible 16 other articles with the same titling concern. These are

1. Islamic view of Adam & Adam,
2. Islamic view of Noah &Noah,
3. Islamic view of Abraham & Abraham,
4. Islamic view of Ishmael & Ishmael,
5. Islamic view of Isaac & Isaac,
6. Islamic view of Jacob & Jacob,
7. Islamic view of Joseph & Joseph (son of Jacob),
8. Islamic view of Job & Job (Biblical figure),
9. Islamic view of Moses & Moses,
10. Islamic view of Aaron & Aaron,
11. Islamic view of David & David,
12. Islamic view of Solomon & Solomon,
13. Islamic view of Elijah & Elijah,
14. Islamic view of Jonah Jonah,
15. Islamic view of Zechariah Zechariah (priest),
16. Jesus in Islam Jesus.

There are 5 other prophets from the Qur'an and the Bible but the articles are differently named,

1. Yahya ibn Zakariyya & John the Baptist,
2. Shoaib & Jethro (Bible),
3. Al-Yasa & Elisha,
4. Dhul-Kifl & Ezekiel,
5. Hud (prophet) & Eber,
6. Idris (prophet) & Enoch (ancestor of Noah).

As an aside the identification between Hud/Eber anbd Idris/Enoch is uncertain.
--Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 08:15, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

   I trust you'll not be offended by my reformatting you for clarity. (And perhaps you said "5" and meant "6".)
   I don't know whether you find it relevant, but the whole picture includes my creation of a new page Lot (Sodom) with the edit summary ‎"Needed overview of common core elements; Still a stub, i expect".
   I assumed that the rename (not a move per se) would be non-controversial, since i found there had been no pertinent discussion of implications of the core NPoV policy at the time of the original naming, and since NPoV is foundational in WP policy and pretty unambiguous. After about 3 weeks, no one has objected to the change (altho you've implicitly questioned the process), so i was probably correct that it's non-controversial and we just differ as to what level of caution should have been applied.
   The asymmetry in the names of other Abrahamic superheroes' articles is not IMO an issue bcz they form a set only in the views of various WikiProjects relating to religious figures; the Lot articles, for instance, are equally parts of sets of articles that are special concerns to projects concerned with sexuality, mobs, geological catastrophes, and tales of supernatural intervention in human affairs; some of them would be better accommodated by names that don't parallel the other Abrahamic-lore titles.
   On the other hand, it is my opinion that the same arguments apply to most or all of the articles you listed, and i would support your carrying out the corresponding work on those you are interested in. You seem to carry admin status, but should there be any technical issues around renames and attribution-maintenance that stand in your way, i probably can be helpful.
--Jerzy•t 03:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem with the formatting. I suspect that, given nobody else has commented on the name change, any perceived problem is mostly my imagination. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 11:55, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Block of User:Julpisanty on hold

I have to tell you this seems like a very poorly justified block. You indefinitely blocked a user six days after their one and only edit, without even attempting to discuss the matter with them. I was sorely tempted to just unblock before consulting you. I am hoping you can provide a more compelling or detailed reason than the one recorded in the block log, which appears to be a highly speculative and very much assuming bad faith on this user's part. New users often do not know how to use page histories and if we assume good faith, this user simply removed some obvious vandalism. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:05, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

    Thank you. I welcome both your feedback and whatever independent action your judgment dictates.
--Jerzy•t 07:18, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, I suppose I was hoping you would tell me there was more to the story that was not obvious from the block log. Since there apparently was not I must tell you that this was a disgraceful, completely unjustifiable block. I hope in retrospect you can see that you jumped to completely unwarranted conclusions and ignored several of the most basic policies we should all keep in mind when blocking, namely WP:AGF, WP:BITE, and WP:BLOCK. I sincerely hope you do not make a regular practice of using your admin tools in such a haphazard and irresponsible fashion. Beeblebrox (talk) 11:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Browsing through your logs I see you do not block users very often, but that you made a similarly unjustifiable block on User:Demcaps last year that was also overturned for essentially the same reason. And in that case you simply tagged them as a blocked user without using one of the standard block notices or otherwise informing them of how to appeal the block. As an administrator you are supposed to be aware of and abide by our blocking policy. One of the things it says there is "As a rule of thumb, when in doubt, do not block; instead, consult other administrators for advice. After placing a block that may be controversial, it is a good idea to make a note of the block at the administrators' incidents noticeboard for peer review." Either you ignored this advice, or even worse you had no doubt that these two outrageous blocks were justified by the one edit a piece these accounts made. It seems you lack either the policy knowledge or the judgement to determine when to block and when not to. Only you know which issue caused you to make these bad blocks. If it was your own judgement then I don't know that that is a problem that can be fixed and you probably should just recuse yourself from using the block button and rely on other admins whose judgement in this area is more sound. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

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Three point turn/Standard swap

That was a good move to create Standard swap.

I think "Three point turn" is just one of thosejargon phrases I use all the time as a software engineer of now about twenty five years but is very hard to source. My feeling is it is somewhere in Knuth, but I also though somewhere in Brookes, and probably wrong on both counts it is just very hard to source it even though used every day. Perhaps I invented it myself as shorthand for it, uin which case it may be in a copy of ACCU magazine, but most likely not. Will try and source it some time.

Very good to create a separate article for it, at least it is a start eh.

Si Trew (talk) 21:46, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

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Penetrant vs. penetrating item

Alter: Penetrant ist der bessere Terminus Technikus in diesem Fall. Ich habe aber vergebens versiucht das zurückzubewegen. Kannst Du mir helfen das zu reparieren? MfG, --Achim (talk) 23:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Here is my translation of Achim's German-language msg above:

?? [Alter confuses me; "old person" or perhaps "age" would be Alte, and IIRC, Älter (or älter, other than at the start of a sentence) would be "older".] "Penetrant" is the better terminus technicus [IMO, a Germanized spelling of a Latin term] in this case. I have tried [I assume versiucht is a typo for versucht.] in vain [I'm vague abt the meaning of vergebens, but it fits and sounds a bit familiar.] to put it back. [[D]as zurückzubewegen is not what i'd have chosen for "to restore the old version of that", but then i'm not a native speaker.] Can you help me to repair it? [I draw a blank on MfG. (Or would it have been mfG in the middle of a sentence?) It's likely that f stands for an adjective or preposition and G for a noun; meine... or manche freundliche Grüße e.g. would be "my..." or "many friendly greetings".]

IMO talk:Penetrating item is the appropriate place to work this out.
--Jerzy•t 21:05, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

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Jaanwar

Request that Jaanwar (1983 film) be redirected as Jaanwar as its more popular than other two films with same name Jaanwar. currently it shows that you had moved the page jaanwar 1999 as Jaanwar.Paglakahinka (talk) 22:08, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

   I've started a broader & perhaps more populous discussion at Talk:Jaanwar#Is there a primary topic for the WP title "Jaanwar" ? where your further thots would be valuable.
----Jerzy•t 09:37, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

response

oho what happened? i did not see your message. it seems you are angry or hurt from your message. i really did not intend to... be clear in what you say. i did not understand what am i supposed to do.

what you had asked me to do?Paglakahinka (talk) 16:17, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

    Response on your talk page.
--Jerzy•t 21:29, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

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Wanted to see what you thought of my comment on the discussion page re: the dubious topic on an oft cited reason for three cent coins going out of production being "confusion" of vending machines. I really want to clean this page up to address your concern. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Sammybenny (talk) 00:36, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

   Thanks for your attention to the matter. I should manage to refresh my memory & respond, somewhere between 2 and 48 hours hence; i'll then note doing so on yr tk pg, but let's keep our substantive discussion here, in one place for clarity. Tnx again.
--Jerzy•t 01:10, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

   Substantive response at Talk:Three-cent_piece_(United_States_coin)#Dubious.
--Jerzy•t 15:49, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Shahsi Kapoor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shashi_Kapoor_filmography -This contains full list of 170 films of Shashi Kapoor as ACTOR. But that needs to be put in format in wiki page of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shashi_Kapoor_filmography. I want 6 columns in Shashi Kapoor Filmography page

Year	Film	Role	Actress	Director	Producer	Notes

Can you put all the names of the films and year in that format? Rest of the detials in other 4 columns i will fill up.Paglakahinka (talk) 08:26, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't get it...

I note you've moved your new list from "South Maluku" to just "Maluku". I don't understand what you are trying to do. But I also note that List of Islands of South Moluccas actually still exist with my last two edits to that list as the only edits - i.e., it seems I am the creator not you. What's going on? --Merbabu (talk) 06:17, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

   Sorry, that was an odd sort of edit conflict. Feel free to tag List of islands in the South Moluccas for speedy deletion.
    I can tell you don't understand what i am trying to do. Please stop causing ed confs by trying to undo it, and listen to what i've been saying on talk pages.
--Jerzy•t 07:14, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

   Before i give in to incoherency, i should clarify that what i did to List of Islands of South Moluccas was to follow up, in view of your apparent lack of interest in doing so, on my earlier suggestion that it could be renamed and broadened since you did not like that title. You apparently had started editing, but before you saved, I renamed it, and in light of it being so new (but perhaps unwisely) specified moving w/o creation of a Rdr since it had been linked to for such a short time. Instead of you getting an edit-conflict handler when you saved it, your save was thus treated as a creation of an article with a name that was not in use, even tho you'd started from my revision (which was no longer at that title).
   I'm adding more on my talk page, twd our continuing collaboration. Thanks.
--Jerzy•t 09:59, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

   Oh, this --Jerzy•t 10:24, 20 August 2011 (UTC)is my talk page.
   What will help me is to know whether your objections to the See also entry on the Dab page reflect in any degree my inattention to terminology about the Banda Sea islands we've been discussing: my assumption was that South(ern)/south(ern) Molucca(s)/Mulaka(s) (Islands) are interchangeable in the context of disambiguating them: anyone using any of those variations may need Dab help, and which one they chose doesn't depend on whether they have used a correct or confused term. Have you been arguing against that?
   For my part, what's crucial here is that, whether they are using one of terms correctly or not, they might be using said term for the part of the province that has stayed under the same name, without intending to refer to the province; that it's a natural term (which we don't have to endorse, and don't, by using it as a Dab entry, especially below "See also") and even if they're stupid for using it, the Dab has to help them find what they're looking for. (I think that will still make sense to me after sleeping.) I'm less interested, for now, in whether you agree than i whether you can either agree or disagree: do you get the question? Later, must go.
--Jerzy•t 10:24, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

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WPT:V/First Sentence

Just curious why you re-factored my comment on the straw poll at V/First Sentence? I was under the impression that comments came after the !votes in their own separate section, however, I'd have no problem including it as a # !vote if it's a big deal. Personally I thought the datestamp in my sig was evidence enough of when I posted it. Cheers! Crazynas ^t 04:37, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

   I also considered just striking it through, thus, since the section has a clear purpose, offering an opportunity to be heard for those who consider the topic not worthy of their detailed attention: your remark amounts an uncollegial, in fact insulting, refusal to let them be heard on the terms of "our minds are made up, and we'd rather keep at our work than trot out again the reasoning that has been persuasive to our proven colleagues for ten years, to satisfy people who appear not to grasp the nature of the task"; you imply not only that your supposed insights about the terms they've chosen to endorse make those terms absurd, but that they need you to explain the meaning of what they've already concluded they agree with. That position on their part should require no response. (And BTW it's also a shame that some chose to half endorse something that was intended for those who wanted to say "no" without qualification, and presumably get back to work editing; I may go back and move them to a subsection for those who sorta want to be confused with those the 1st graph specified.) In any case, one thing i've learned in my 8 years here is that some do have the patience to recruit those who seem bent on disruption -- so i limited my attention to the more acute problems you created.
   (BTW, i have no idea what you mean by !vote, and i don't want to know, tho our polls are not votes: they're opportunities to contribute to determining whether a consensus to establish new policy is likely to be feasible.)
   I construed your remarks as relevant to the 'graph that began the section, and reckoned adjacent positioning as being less disruptive. I urge you to consider reducing the copy of your comment at the bottom of the section to at most an annotation about the material being moved.
   But if you really think it will work better at the end of a section than next to what was explicitly relevant (or better imitate some structure you feel you've been prescribed) far be it from me to dictate you do it my way. Hidden in wiki-comment markup i left some mechanism -- visible only while editing -- for reducing confusion on the part of editors. What i do insist that there be some mechanism, at least for avoiding blocks of sigs in response to the stated purpose of the section being interrupted by your remark,which is the almost inevitable consequence of your formatting: people would sign below your comment, and start a separate list & sub-count of people who intend to agree with Jclemens but can easily be construed as agreeing with your complaints about that colleague's wording.
   Altho the basic point is not the fact that you had no business adding fundamentally contrary marks to such a section without starting a subsection like "Critique of the preceding position", a good solution is for one of us to retrofit it into that structure (i being a candidate only if you consent). I did not consider doing that unilaterally bcz you might reasonably construe that as removing your remarks to further from what they addressed and thereby making them easier to miss, i.e. muffling you; both the logic of the structure and making your criticism almost as visible as what you criticized seemed likely to give you the least occasion for offense.
   (The real basic point is that the way you transformed it was doomed, before long, to causing disruption and misunderstanding, which is why i tried to intervene in what i hoped would be a non-disruptive way.)
--Jerzy•t 07:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your insightful reply to my query, thank you also for trying to keep what you perceived to be a formatting problem that would eventually lead to confusion at bay. Upon further thought and in light of what you said here, I realized that my comment might have been a bit more pointy than I intended, I have reverted your re factoring and struck the comment ATM as an interim solution.

Regarding the comment itself, I feel that the entire subsection (no compromise or change needed) is itself somewhat pointy on a page dedicated to change. The attitude that 'we are right' and 'nothing can be done to change our mind' seems to say you can do what you want here on the sub-page but the 'cabal' will maintain the status-quo regardless. This is also one of the few polls I have encountered thus far that appears to implicitly prohibit Disagree responses.

I realize that this is a topic that people have gone round and round again, although the entire idea of a wiki encyclopedia makes me think (and has for years) of a bunch of mice running on their wheels. I realize that there may be frustration at what some view as a doomed proposal, however that doesn't mean that change can't happen.

Regarding your above reply, I'm curious what you meant by ...that some do have the patience to recruit those who seem bent on disruption -- so i limited my attention to the more acute problems you created. I was never recruited, I found this entire quagmire on the village pump (I think). I don't think that the reasoning in it's current form has been like that for ten years. When I first arrived at WP (2005) "Verifiability, not truth" had yet to make it on the policy page. A !vote is a 'not vote' (see !), I refer to any numbered ':#' poll as a !vote as opposed to ':*' which I consider to be a discussion (see also WP:RFA vs. WP:AFD). I am somewhat a cynic regarding 'voting' vs. trying to reach consensus since I feel their is a critical mass wherein true consensus building becomes impossible and evaluating based on the !vote is the only way (see RFA again). I do appreciate that you were trying to help, thank you for pointing out that my comment as currently formatted would lead to problems. Cheers!

Crazynas ^t 17:40, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

   Please don't bother explaining exactly what form of recklessness on your part resulted in your deleting my sig, as i don't intend to throw good time after bad.
--Jerzy•t 02:12, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

 ? Crazynas ^t 02:22, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Please glance at Hanlon's razor, then take a look at [1] considering that your sig did not have it's own ':#' and followed directly after a comment you made about my comment, I thought you were just signing to attribute the fact that you refactored MY comment, so my apologies about reverting that. It wasn't recklessness, I was simply trying to correct (without unnecessarily confusing other editors) a problem you brought to my attention. Crazynas ^t 02:40, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

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Disambiguation

   I wrote at User talk:Kermanshahi#Disambiguation:

   Thanks for your interest in WP and your efforts.
   Please study Dab and MoSDab. I assume you care about whether you are editing constructively, and that implies that you have no idea what a Dab page is. You added a few acceptable entries to Islah‎‎ in your next-to-last edit to it, and they are appreciated; however, most of your recent editing to it will be reverted, and it's a shame to see your energy being wasted in this fashion. Thanks again.
--Jerzy•t 22:53, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

eliciting the follow reply here:

I have no idea what I am supposed to have done wrong on the Islah (disambiguation) article, as far as I know it's just like any other disambiguation article on wiki. And looking at Wikipedia:Disambiguation, I don't think there is anything wrong the article, either. Kermanshahi (talk) 16:54, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

--Jerzy•t 07:39, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

   Thanks for taking this time.
1.   If you haven't gotten to "MoSDab" yet, it's not that surprising that you'd experience some puzzlement. "Dab" is more about the general principles involved, and "MoSDab" more about specific practices that we've found further those principles. For instance, i grant you that Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Dictionary definitions doesn't by itself actually rule out the one dictdef involved here, but Dab alone is not definitive, and MoSDab is much more specific at the section "Linking to Wiktionary".

2.   On the other hand, Dab itself does say at WP:MoSDab#Individual entries, 4th bullet point after the first example box,

• Each entry should have exactly one navigable (blue) link to efficiently guide readers to the most relevant article for that use of the ambiguous term. Do not wikilink any other words in the line.

which was part of the most visible fixes i made when my summary included "DabCU done", and was what i assumed it would be obvious that i meant when, after your next edit, my summary referred to "forbidden extra links".
3.   Clearly i saved without remembering to add a ref justifying the pruning of your descriptions, in that same edit, and closed the summary w/ "[removing] (IMO) excess description per [...]" and omitted to indicate that the same section applied in that respect as well: the second point you will find after the second example box reads

• The description associated with a link should be kept to a minimum, just sufficient to allow the reader to find the correct link. In many cases, the title of the article alone will be sufficient and no additional description is necessary.

and if you had gotten to "MoSDab", you should have noticed the clear analogy to the second example-box's struck thru bad-example line reading ""Dark Star" (song), a song by the psychedelic rock band The Grateful Dead", where rather than just undoing the excess links, 6 or 8 words were entirely discarded: removing such "[(in my opinion)] excess words" is what is meant by "description associated with a link [being] kept to a minimum".
4.   It appears to me one of your recent contribs to the page was constructive in adding 3 relevant links to the page (and the need for -- so to speak -- pruning them is no problem, and part of our "many eyes" collaborative-editing process). That is one of the reasons i want you as a colleague.
5.   I don't know whether you superficially consulted the first page i cited, before saying "... I don't think there is anything wrong the article, either" (and didn't bother to acknowledge skipping the second), or studied them both and failed to grasp their relevance. I don't regard recklessness in editing on the Web as requiring bad faith, so i don't hesitate from saying that falling in the range that those two extremes span appears reckless to me. And along with constructive work you've also been (regardless of your presumed good intent) editing on this Dab unconstructively. Please step back, take a hard look, and figure out whether and how you can keep your work on the page we are discussing constructive.
   Thank you for your patient attention to my regretfully frank words,
--Jerzy•t 07:39, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Jerzy, I understand what you are saying, what I don't understand is how my edits conflicted with that. See I created that page, and almost all the links there were added by me. It seems from your edits that the explenations I provied for the terms were too long? Was that the problem? And there are not supposed to be any links in them except to the article itself. Because that's not what I've seen in other disambiguation pages, but than again, they may be wrong.Kermanshahi (talk) 14:10, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

   Thanks, Kermanshahi, that's helpful. Yes, the key idea is that Dab pages are fundamentally different from articles, including both the aspects you cite, which rest on the need to separate the functions of providing information on a circumscribed topic (altho the links to other articles are an important secondary aspect) and that of rapid navigation to the focused topic that the user was hoping to find an article on.
   I'm not sure what you were getting at in saying "See I created that page, and almost all the links there were added by me." Say more about that if you like, but in case you're not aware of WP:Own, do note that the licenses we grant, every time we click "Save page", give away our content to everyone in the world, with the exception that each contributor is promised that the page history will document the fact that the new material they added came from them. You and i are each entitled to have our IDs appear at the Islah edit-history page, but it is WP policies and guidelines that control what can or can't be changed or discarded, not any rights you or i get for having contributed.
   I noticed several days ago that you've been blocked, which lessened my sense of urgency (tho not my long-term interest in dealing with the matter more thoroughly). I'll save this for now, without trying to recapture the thread of my thots on the Islah matter let alone proceed to the point of being sure i'd responded to everything i can at this point. When (and if) you return to editing, i hope you'll consider our discussion merely delayed.
   Thanks again for your attention.
--Jerzy•t 01:40, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

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Revising and expanding the "Quaker Universalist Fellowship" article

Friend,

I'm Mike. I'm a long-time convinced Friend (Quaker), and I recently joined the steering committee for the Quaker Universalist Fellowship (QUF). Colleagues on the committee have been trying to correct and expand the Quaker Universalist Fellowship article. Unfortunately, they didn't know about the Conflict of Interest rule. I was advised about COI when I queried User:SwisterTwister, who had removed most our edits because of that rule.

Now I am trying to find someone from outside QUF who would be willing to help us revise and update the article without violating COI. I'm contacting you simply because your edit to the article is the earliest one I can find.

I have left messages on the article's talk page Talk:Quaker Universalist Fellowship and at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religious Society of Friends (Quakers), asking for collaborative help to edit this article, but it doesn't really look like anyone has been substantively involved with either the article or WikiProject Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) for several years.

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MSU Interview

Dear Jerzy,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

• Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
• Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
• All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
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• The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

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"In analysis,...."

Hello.

Please notice my recent edit to Decoupling (analysis). If you say "In algebra,..." or "In geometry,..." or "In number theory,...", the lay reader will know that mathematics is what it's about. If you say "In category theory,..." or "In topology,...", they usually won't. And "analysis" is what Freudian psychiatrists do, and sometimes what chemists do, and sometimes any of many different other things. It doesn't at all get across the idea that mathematics is what it's about. Michael Hardy (talk) 03:03, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

   Good, prol'ly an improvement, and hard to conceive any problem; tnx. (If you have the interest, you might look at Decoupling (disambiguation) -- which was what drew my attention to it -- with a similar eye.)
--Jerzy•t 03:34, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Discussion of molecular formula disambiguation

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