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Hi and thanks for the welcome. I had found that acetaminophen page and changed most of the macrolide subpages to follow the same layout. Too bad I hadn't found that amiodarone page before your message, on that page the box contains more fields. Guess I should now redo the macrolide boxes to conform to it... A good addition to the box would also be the ATC code, but I think that would be the most the box should hold , otherwise it will be cluttered with info. That imatinib article looked pretty good. Added some stuff about metabolism. Daevatgl 18:46, Jun 22, 2004 (UTC)

Added myself as a participant to WikiProject "Drugs". Hope I can come up with something for this project. At first glance I couldn't make head or tails of it. But perhaps that's because I'm a newbie. Daevatgl 20:17, Jun 24, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Jfdwolff, thanks for the invite. I've added myself to the WikiProject "Drugs" too, but I may not have too much time to contribute extensively (being secretary of Sydney Uni Pharmacy Assoc and a national councillor in the National Australian Pharmacy Students Assoc) - but I'll try. Oh, my background is in my user profile =) Techelf 10:30, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)

It just occured that I should've said "Hoi, hoe gaat het?" =) Anyway, I might've missed it but is there a standard set of things that we're aiming to include in each of the drugs pages? Techelf 12:32, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

To draw structures I use a program called Advanced Chemistry Design. Uploaded amphotericin and nystatin, will they do? Apart from books, a quite good source on the net is The European Medicines Agency site. Funny enough, they havent got anything on nedocromil or cromolyn (or cromoglicic acid).Daevatgl 12:57, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)

They are almost alike. Basically, the only difference is that amphotericin is a heptaene (7 double bonds on the bottom) and nystatin is a tetraene (4 continuous double bonds). I had to double check myself as well, and actually found some articles that had used the picture of amphtotericin for both. Daevatgl 19:31, Jun 29, 2004 (UTC)

Judaism WikiProject[edit]

Hi JFW, as I said I'm still pretty new to all this so not quite sure what a WikiProject is - looked as some existing ones on other religions and it seems to be a page dedicated to conventions and plans to develop that part of Wikipedia. In this case, I'm all for it and a sense of more precise direction will do the articles good. Although, because I'm not completely familiar with the wiki format, I'd probably only have suggestions as to what directions the articles should be developed in, new articles etc. and not style conventions. But yeah, if you do set up a draft then I'll be happy to come up with some ideas as to how to develop the articles. Frikle 06:01, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Judaism articles[edit]

Hi, you mentioned that I should get my previous anonymous contributions credited to my account. Do you know how to do this? Since I've got a weird roaming IP address, there's a few of those contributions floating around and I haven't been able to find out if it's possible to do it. Also, with lifnei iver, I don't think it will lead to a huge proliferation of articles on individual mitzvot as of the 613 it's only a few that are rich sources of laws beyond their "literal" applications, lifenei iver being one of them. So, I think it is possible to do a few other major ones without crowding Wikipedia. Finally, the triplicate description of tractates has been removed and the individual pages of each Seder have them leaving the Mishnah and Talmud page with space for other topics. Frikle 12:10, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hi Jfdwolff - I'm pretty new to Wikipedia so I guess I got pretty excited about it all and put a bit too much detail into some contributions. But I still think it can go into quite substantial detail. As to Judaism articles, that sounds great, I've added abstracts of tractates in the Mishna article and made separate article starts for the orders. Also seeing Rosh Hashanah (Talmud) and Taanit have their own page I started one on Avodah Zarah although if you you thought that other one was too detailed wait till you see that one! But I think since some tractates have their own pages it would be good to have at least the major ones with their own pages. So, some heavy editing is welcome and if you have any ideas about Judaism articles to be touched up/expanded, tell me. Thanks, Frikle 10:17, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

CAM boxes[edit]

Here it is. Our Article Series Box that does not even look like a box. Alternative Medicine (Terms, Philosophy, Branches, People, History, Index)

Replace {{CamBottom}} with {{CamTiny}}.

I want to make sure that you have seen this post. -- John Gohde 16:06, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I feel like our articles developed something like a foot fungus. Maybe someone makes a spray for these? You're the administrator-- do something before they spread. Alteripse 17:14, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The mycosis pedis lesion on the plantar aspect of Disease doesn't look very "tiny". Can we expect it to spread to all other diseases? Some damfool has an alternative treatment to virtually anything, but I might quit editing -- or else start pushing to quarantine the vector-- if they spread to the articles I'm working on. How do the other members of the mess feel about this?

Also, user:Prisonblues did some nice additions to leptin; I invited him to drop by the mess. Alteripse 00:25, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Re clinical depression - I got rid of it and commented that if he/she wants complementary medicine mentioned in the article then they should put a section header and relate comp meds directly to the article. Sticking such a vague, open set of links down there... I can't see the benefit.
Done. The phases of the CAM project have been clearly laid out. First, we identify. Next, we label. And, finally we take over. It called making a smooth transition. -- John Gohde 16:58, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The branches link takes you to a list which includes cognitive behaviour therapy, but it's down a long list which includes 100s of other items - including coin rubbing (holds head in hands) .
Essentially, if someone wants to spread the word about complementary therapy well, frankly, don't be so bloomin' lazy!  ;o)
More seriously though, as a member of a family that suffers with profound mental ill health some of these "medicines" make me rather angry. Or rather the fees for them do. --bodnotbod 14:37, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)
Why is there a backout of virtually all coverage of preventative medicine from a conventional medicine perspective? Will the CAM project be the first group to make the connection public from an alternative point of view? -- John Gohde 17:05, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

There is now two options. You can either display it on the very top of the article as a category (Alternative medicine) or on the very bottom of the page. Clicking on either will provide the explanation. {{CamTiny}} now works completely like text, because it is text.

It is your choice: Categories on top or See other on bottom. -- John Gohde 20:28, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I'd like to propose a third option for the real medicine articles: an even tinier label, Template:Certified CAM free. Alteripse 22:16, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

From the rubosis of the link I gather this was glosso in maxilla. JFW | T@lk 22:32, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Depends on how annoyed I get at the CAM vector. Keep reminding me to keep a sense of humor.Alteripse 22:35, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

One tries... JFW | T@lk 22:38, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

He's put in the section now. Well, I asked for it. Now I have to pick it apart. Not up to it now. Too busy smoking. --bodnotbod 23:47, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)
I've made my edits to the and parts of Clinical depression - please have a look at Talk:Clinical depression, I'd appreciate your input. --bodnotbod 14:22, Jun 3, 2004 (UTC)
This attack against {{CamBottom}} is total nonsense, as you very well know. {{CamBottom}} is an ASB.
  1. The WikiProject on Medicine's ASB is absolutely huge.
  2. The WikiProject on Medicine's ASB violates the every WikiProject has to chose and use its own color rule.
  3. The WikiProject on Medicine's ASB pushes a POV, just as much as our ASBs do.
  4. Everywhere we have actually bothered to state our views, our ASBs etc. have been deleted / vandalized. Everywhere where we have wasted time doing what you people have asked for our ASBs etc. have been deleted / vandalized.
-- John Gohde 14:29, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Talmud and Orthodox Judaism[edit]

Hi Dr Wolff,

First, I must compliment you on your editing skills; you have “a great eye”.

As regards the articles on Judaism, I have some thoughts:

  • Once this is complete, “editorial” responsibility could be distributed for each category. I imagine that there might be some wiki protocol or precedent relating to this.
  • In general, and by editor, “POV stuff “can be treated via an inclusion in each article of the sort: The Talmud in modern day Judaism. Similar treatment could be applied to parochial external links.
  • “The list” might also serve as a basis for standardization in spelling and terminology.
  • Do you suppose that the content of the wiki articles could be (ought to be) “validated” against outside sources, for example the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia?

Fintor | talk

  • Congratulations on the "de-poving"; I saw that myself but hesitated to act...
  • "Jewish glossary" is a great idea; I will set to work and message as it progresses.

Fintor   |   talk, June 3 20:49 UTC

Categories for Judaism[edit]

Take a look at the "categories" for Jewish texts, such as Talmud and Torah, someone has decided it belongs under "Jewish MYTHOLOGY"???? Can we do something about it soon please!


I OBJECT most strongly to placing the classical Jewish texts under the category "Jewish Mythology". "Category:Jewish mythology" and the Subcategories being "Category:Jewish texts" And then God becomes ARBITRARILY part of "mythology"! Perhaps Midrash could go with it, BUT not these others. I vote that the titles be REVERSED and that "Jewish mythology" become a Subtext of Jewish texts. I plan to take this to arbitration!IZAK 12:30, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

And I thought the CAM categorization on the medical articles was a problem.  ;-) Kd4ttc 16:18, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hi, re your message, how narrow the categories?[edit]

Hi JF, You say that you have sent me personal messages in my Talk section, but I do not see anything new from you?

I do not agree with your narrow view of the categories as the Mussar Movement or the Torah Im Derech Eretz movement were powered by Rabbis and by the Jewish Texts they taught, it was all one in essence: "Yisroel, Ve'oraisa, VeKudsha Brich Hu - Chad Hu" : "Israel (the people), and the Torah and God are ONE", is what I was always taught, how about you? Similarly for "Jewish texts" it's the Rabbis who teach them and keep them vitally alive. The Torah and the Talmud do not exist in a vacuuum but in a symbiotic relationship with their teachers (usually the rabbis) and their students who are the Jewish people) that practice Judaism, which ties it all together. After all, I am not connecting the subjects with astro-physics or unrelated categories. I suppose it's a different perspective. IZAK 09:36, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

See my reply...on my Talk page IZAK 10:55, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Attributing edits[edit]

Hi! I've already logged in. Now I would like to know how my contributions from my old number can be switched to my new username, Marcus2. --

OK, I've added my request. Now, how long would I have to wait before my old contributions are switched from to Marcus2? --Marcus2 (
I was going to hold my vote till he accepted, but ... why wait<G>. More level head sshould make for a better Wikipedia. - Nunh-huh 20:35, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Admin nomination[edit]

Thank you for the kind words and (admittedly rather unexpected) nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. It was very nice of you to put my name forth for consideration, and I've humbly accepted. --Diberri | Talk 22:24, Jun 8, 2004 (UTC)

Jewish mysticism[edit]

JFD, I agree with your position on this issue. See my added comments on Category talk:Jewish mysticism. IZAK 09:40, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion regarding "Jewish mythology"[edit]

JFW: Take a look at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion where the issue of "deleting" Category:Jewish mythology is being "discussed". I conveyed the comments from the "Category:Jewish mysticism" talk page to the deletion page so that they get some more input on some of the core issues involved. Feel free to add more comments on the deletion page as you see fit. IZAK 05:56, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)


In answer to your comment on my talk page, if it can be kept clear in the writing of it that the article is primarily about how believers in Islam understand Allah, then it is less likely that a series of one-contribution contributors will insert categories that do not lead readers in productive directions. 金 (Kim)

Recent messages[edit]

Hi JFW: Please see my comments/responses at Category:Jewish rituals and also on User talk:Frikle. I cannot understand why you want to "clip his wings" when he (Frikle) wants to add good articles. Also your comments about Jewpedia make no sense as it is not even off the ground yet. Will you be involved with it, and will it automatically store Jewish themed articles from Wikipedia?IZAK 02:53, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Detailed articles and other views of Judaism[edit]

JFW: Thanks for your responses. I still think that there should be absolutely no limits on (Jewish) articles, (and you should not jump down people's throats if it appears they want to contribute, as we need all the help we can get in the Jewish areas on Wikipedea). As for getting the non-Orthodox's reactions and "misquotes" I agree with you, but since when is that a problem, as once an article grows a little, one can simply divide the sections between the "Orthodox view", "Reform view" etc, or they can eventually be disabiguated or even satnd on their own as independent articles eventually. Also I fined it odd that this concerns you as you seem to feel its perfectly fine to have a CHRISTIAN view on the Shema Yisrael and you even combined it with the Jewish view after I had spent time dividing them via a perfectly legitimate disambiguation page which gave the reader two options: One Jewish and one Christian. What was wrong with that? After all don't you think that the Shema which stresses God's UNITY should most definitely be "disambiguated" from a Christian's "Trinitarian" viewpoint since they believe in the "Father, the son and the holy host", something which runs counter to the Shema's entire premise?? So if I were you I wouldn't be so concerned about "what on Earth will the 'liberal' Jews say next", as ways will be found to deal with them, or we can always count on you to stop disambiguations and just make us all into "one big happy WIKIPEDIA family". Also, I am presently unable to do more than I am doing on Wikipedia, as at the moment I have some time for it but I would like to be doing some other things soon (like writing some Torah down, which will have to wait for now.) I am rather puzzled though by what excactly Jewpedia is all about? Best wishes. IZAK 02:16, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

More on above...[edit]

JFW: Hi again, what "Jewish" Wiki project do you have in mind? As for the Shema Yisrael article, I was NOT worried about Christians who might read it as there are about two billion of them and if they lose a few to Judaism it's like taking water out of the oceans. It's the unsuspecting curious Jews I was worried about who would gain a wrong impression about Judaism, and who knows, may ask a Christian for guidance which is what happens all too often in our age. This in fact is a major flaw in Wiki in most of its Biblical articles taken from that wretched old encyclopedia they used to launch the articles in the year "zero". All the best. IZAK 10:15, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

too many cats[edit]

hey dude, how's your daughter? (sorry I can genuinely only remember Myrtle but I know that's not her name). anyway I'm a bit anxious about Category:Mu-opioid agonists... most drugs in this category also have kappa and delta activity... it all gets a bit of a mess ... do we mean pure mu agonists, weak mu agonists etc etc. me thinking just keep it simple. this must be a generic issue accross many classes. food for thought. Erich 00:11, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Dr. Wolff, What do your think about this similar 'issue' at Category talk:Heart ? This categorizing craze can get things somewhat complicated ..... -- PFHLai 22:37, 2004 Jun 24 (UTC)


Doc, what is wrong with having some commercial links in the IBS article if they supply some additional information? Does Wikipedia have a policy against this? I supplied one of the links in question in the hope that it might be helpful to someone who was suffering. H2O 04:10, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the feedback. I share your dislike of people placing spam-like links. I have also deleted links that I thought were questionable. I also agree that the mfg site is biased toward their product, and will try to make that bias more evident in the future by using a format similar to what you described if I can't find an unbiased page to use. H2O 12:20, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  • The first external link on the IBS article [1] will take you to the ACG IBS help page. It has two review articles listed on their page. I skimmed over them and they look like stuff physicians like to read. Maybe they will be helpful. I am merely a layman who became interested in IBS and related disorders after I began suffering daily unexplained abdominal pain over a year and a half ago. My gastro doc has done all the tests and he says he has no idea what is causing the pain. He is the source of the trash can comment. H2O 04:40, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  • I think it would be wonderful for the IBS page to be revised and updated to include the most accurate information. This is such a common problem, I am certain many people will be reading this page in search of answers, and the more accurate the information, the more people might be helped. H2O 15:35, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Minor administrative euthanasia task[edit]

See hemoglobinopathy and haemoglobinopathy. I ran across the latter article when I was doing some good citizen stuff like going through the Wikipedia:Deadend pages. I considered putting it out of its misery or transforming it into a redirect, but realised you are definitely the man for the job. Do what you think best and we'll avert our eyes. Regards. Alteripse 02:11, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

See also hereditary spherocytosis and leukocyte elastase. Alteripse 03:05, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Edit Skirmish[edit]


I will be sure to keep the 3-revert rule in mind. It might be more constructive to discuss with Mr-Natural-Health, but his history does not indicate that that would prove successful. However, I hope you will prove me wrond and I wish you the best of luck in trying. As for the war-account, you are of course right. It might be cowardly of me, but Mr-Natural-Health has a long history of ad-hominem attacks and I prefer to avoid those.

207-203-156-105 10:03, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hasidism: naming convention[edit]

Hi, Jfdwolff, could you please have a look at my proposal at Talk:Hasidic Judaism#Naming convention: Hasidic dynasties vs Polish/Ukrainian towns and let me know what you think? --Kpalion 11:13, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)


Stop vandalising userpages, or you risk getting banned. JFW | T@lk 01:40, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I don't now what you're talking about, I've never vandalised user pages. May I remind you that I'm behind an ISP with dynamic asignation of IP addresses? You can check this out by . I assume this is one big misstake, so no offense! Greetings! 15:49, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Need some technical help from an administrator[edit]

Hi Jfdwolff,

I have been experiencing a rather frustrating technical problem with wikipedia. I posted it on Village pump and on Wikipedia:General complaints. The only practical tip I got there was to "contact an administrator" so (I hope its OK) I'm contacting you.

The basic problem is that ever since the new software, I cannot work while logged in (the pages simply refuse to load but they work fine when I don't log in). For more details, see village pump #25 and "general complaints" #10. (One other person on village pump said the same thing was happening to them.)

If you could refer this to someone who might be able to help I would be grateful. -- Dovi

Thanks for your reply on my talkpage. The problem I described is not limited to editing - even to read a page once logged in no longer works. Also makes watchlists impossible. But thanks for letting me know that others are aware of the problem. -- Dovi --


I created one of the articles on the p450 oxidases, partly because I had always found the terminology confusing, and wrote the article to "get it straight" in my own mind. What I wasn't certain of, and did not want to take the time to investigate, was whether all the cytochrome P450s were oxidases. If you are sure they are, then combining the articles was the right thing, and I appreciate your work.


why do you think cancerous is obsolete? In this article I was refering to the potential for a cell to become cancerous. I'm unaware that a cell can become "malignant"? Please provide some info. Sam [Spade] 02:11, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Re: Tracking the vandal[edit]

Ooops... thanks, won't happen again.--[[User:HamYoyo|HamYoyo (Talk)]] 09:56, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)

Electronic music instruments[edit]

Hi Jfdwolf, I notice you're also interested in helping with some of the articles in the Category:Electronic music instruments. Many of the wikipedia articles on sound recording, electronic music and music production are in a bit of a mess. There's much duplication and many stubs that either need to be redirects or be expanded, I wonder if you'd be interested in helping cleaning things up a bit, a good place to start to see the range of articles is music technology.

It's a bit difficult to know where to begin, it's fairly easy up until the 1980s or so, because drum machines, synthesizers and samplers were fairly distinct entities, after that things start to blur together with computers, hard disk recording technology etc., and the distinctions have become somewhat less meaningful. That said, I think there's room for more coherence in the sound recording/music production/instrument articles and I'd be interested to hear if you have any ideas for a structure. Cheers --Lexor|Talk 11:21, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hi Lexor. I'd rather be a passive participant of music topics. I'd love to help, but I've already committed myself to lots of medical topics. Still, I'll try to write up some more of Vangelis' albums (I see you worked on them). Can I scan in CD covers and put them in Wikipedia under Fair Use?? JFW | T@lk 15:22, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
No problem, happy for you to be a passive participant. As to scans, it's a bit of an iffy issue, I know that they would be technically OK, but there is a movement on wikipedia to try and include images that are 100% redistributable to third-parties, and with fair use screenshots, it's a bit of grey area. I have done so in the past, but you might want to ask on Wikipedia talk:Copyrights just to see what the latest feeling is. Cheers, --Lexor|Talk 12:05, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Medicine participation[edit]

hi jdw, thanx for your message. yes i do have an interest in somatic medicine, since i recently finished my studies and as an upcoming psychiatrist somatic medicine is my favourite hobbie. i noticed that many pages in the medical field are in laymen's terms and have strong drive into cam, however i have perceived this as a certain advantage over the german versions which are more or less lists of signs and symptoms copied from the popular "herold" - internal medicine textbook. but why not participate in making them better? yes, somatic medicine is my field in wikipedia - what has to be done? Dbach 17:25, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

i went through the ophtalmology - yes it does need a re-organisation, however i was overly optimistic to offer my help. plz don't count on me for these big things right now as i have lots of other work to do. i will help and copy edit here and there, and as soon as i have time i will try an ibs relaunch and go through neurology. this may be no earlier than a month or so from now. Dbach 21:35, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

i merged rome ii and ibs information and the page is ready for deletion, however, the opinion on votes for deletion is currently against deleting rome II Conference - just in case u want to vote pro Dbach 15:24, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

From Bod[edit]

Don't really approve of people editing my to do list, even if to be helpful. Might be an idea to put that sort of thing on the talk page. Ta though, sort of. --bodnotbod 20:10, Jun 28, 2004 (UTC)

I though you were having hols?[edit]

so what happened? :-) Erich 10:28, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Review requested[edit]

I've noticed you've done wonders on Wiki's medical coverage and I was wondering if you could take a look at Newborn screening. I'm a total layperson and cobbled together what I read in a Wall Street Journal article, a TV news piece and the Web. In particular, I wasn't sure about the capitalization of some of the diseases. If you have time, thank you! If not, no worries! :) jengod 06:12, Jul 1, 2004 (UTC)

Bad decision[edit]

Sensible users exercise self-control. They do not block themselves and in so doing block everyone else using that ISP or proxy server. Please don't do that again. -- ChrisO 21:59, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Physiotherapy v Physical Therapy[edit]

Hi Below is a discussion I have been having with Cyclonenimrod. I have outlined the reasons his request to you to change the long held title of the article from Physical Therapy to Physiotherpy was not a good idea. Please revert the title of the page to Physical Therapy. Thanks DoctorDW (talk) 14:59, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

You moved and redirected the Physical Therapy page to Physiotherapy. The page has been named physical therapy for many years. It was awfully quick of you to make such a major change. I ask you to revert your move. The world body governing the profession uses physical therapy not physiotherpay. The wiki page should be consistent with what over 100 countries have agreed to. thnks [index.php?title=User:DoctorDW&action=edit&redlink=1 DoctorDW] (talk) 02:11, 3 July 2008 (UTC)"
Unfortunately, I will not be carrying out your request to revert the move. Page names should always be what is most likely to be looked up by an individual searching for the subject. The amount of countries refering to it as physiotherapy is far greater than those refering to it as physical therapy. Physical therapy, infact, is almost an entirely U.S-used term which means we're failing to give proper international perspective. This also makes it far more likely that physiotherapy will be searched rather than physical therapy. That said, if someone from the U.S.A. decides to search for physical therapy, they will simply be redirected. It is no big deal. Feel free to contact me if you have any further concerns. — CycloneNimrod talk?contribs? 06:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately you are incorrect. "Physical Therapy" is the adopted term by the World Confederation for Physical Therapy which represents 101 countries. "The World Confederation for Physical Therapy (WCPT) is an international non-profit professional organisation founded in 1951. The Confederation is supported by subscriptions from its 101 Member Organisations and through them it represents over 300,000 physical therapists worldwide.
WCPT is a confederation of national physical therapy associations. Only one national organisation per country may be in membership."[1]
Clearly the representives of over 300,000 PTs worldwide have decided the preferred term is physical therapy and physical therapist. It is not "almost entirely US-used term."
Google "physical therapy" and 19,100,000 hits return. Google "physiotherapy" and 6,650,000 hits return.
Physical therapy is the preferred and most commonly used term. Please revert your edit.DoctorDW (talk) 18:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Well unfortunately i'm not an administrator, so I cannot move the page back. If you genuinely feel it is the best option, ask an administrator to move it back. Preferably though, put a discussion on the talk page first as it the original move was discussed and agreed upon. — CycloneNimrod talk?contribs? 21:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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