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DYK for Ek Hi Raasta (1956 film)[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 08:58, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your work! You're quite welcome to work on lists like List of Bollywood films of 1956 and try to improve coverage on here by year!♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:34, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the message Dr. Blofeld. I will try to improve the coverage. Though it is not an area which I have good knowledge. But I will try. Thanks again. Jim Carter (talk) 08:23, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Raj Hath[edit]

Carabinieri (talk) 11:10, 3 October 2014 (UTC)


YGM. --MelanieN (talk) 04:47, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Charles DeWitt Watts[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:02, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Abhishek Bachchan filmography[edit]

Harrias talk 12:02, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
How about this - your DYK article ‪Abhishek Bachchan filmography‬ and mine ‪History of Chinese Americans in Seattle‬ are on the main page together right now! --MelanieN (talk) 20:59, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Good article![edit]

Hey, it passed! Congratulations! --MelanieN (talk) 23:05, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Congrats from me too! ;) --AmaryllisGardener talk 23:07, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Oops, sorry, User:AmaryllisGardener - didn't mean to steal your thunder! But I know Jim will be excited; I think this is his first Good Article. --MelanieN (talk) 23:23, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
@MelanieN: No need to apologize, no thunder stolen. :) --AmaryllisGardener talk 23:24, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Oh, thank you Melanie. And a big thanks to AmaryllisGardener for so detailed review. This made my day a little better. Thank you again. BTW where is Legobot? I was waiting for the bot to notify me :p. Jim Carter 05:32, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
You're welcome! :) IDK what happened to Legobot, he notified User:Example, not you. Bots do strange things. --AmaryllisGardener talk 05:51, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
@Legoktm: should investigate why this happened. Anyway, thanks again, AmaryllisGardener. Jim Carter 06:04, 11 January 2015 (UTC)


YGM. --MelanieN (talk) 17:07, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Rahul Sinha[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 13:05, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Heads up![edit]

Moving forward in about an hour. Be sure to read my email about your essay! --MelanieN (talk) 14:11, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

...and - we're off and running! Would you believe, TWO !votes in the first minute? --MelanieN (talk) 15:06, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, that was a great way to handle it with your essay! --MelanieN (talk) 15:29, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
My computer is working again. Yesterday, the moment you transcluded, I !voted support but since my rationale was a bit bigger than others, it took sometime and I faced edit conflict with AmaryllisGardener. Tried again, another edit conflict now with Harry, now frustrated me, slammed my keyboard and suddenly it stopped working. Within seconds I logged in from my phone and typed in the most rough way I can but I was late and in the 5th position. Anyway, thank you Harry, for doing that. BTW I think my essay is as good as the nomination statement by Kudpung Face-tongue.svg. Should I start nominating others? Face-grin.svg Jim Carter 13:33, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Heh, I edit-conflicted with Amaryllis as well! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:15, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Face-grin.svg --AmaryllisGardener talk 14:17, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, you three were tripping over each other for a minute there. Amarylllis, I bet the reason you were there was because you had just been here at Jim's talk page to tell him about his GA, and you saw my "heads up" note - right? And right before your little three-way scramble to be first, **I** edit-conflicted with Harry; there were a couple of things that needed changing in order for the page to display correctly; Harry beat me to fixing them. I trust we are all out of each other's way now. Jim, your statement was eloquent and remarkably effective; half a dozen people have now mentioned it as a reason for their support. You always wanted to nominate me, and as it turned out, you did! 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 15:03, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Actually I was the third support, but I kept getting edit conflicts, so I ended up at the 6th support position is it? Now I know who to blame! Joke :) Regards Irondome (talk) 15:14, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Actually, I watch Wikipedia:Requests for adminship, and it came up in my watchlist when you transcluded your RfA, then I saw your RfA with the invisible note that needed to be removed. I was going to fix it, but I experienced an ec (Harry beat me to it), then I quickly !voted my support. It's funny how things go. :) --AmaryllisGardener talk 15:10, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Letitia Woods Brown[edit]

Passed! :) --AmaryllisGardener talk 14:44, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Melanie's RfA[edit]

Hi Jim, hope you don't mind but I moved your note on Melanie's RfA from the "support" section to the "discussion" section (I also duplicated your signature rather than tag either post with {{unsigned}}) so that it didn't break the numbering in the support section. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:24, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Mizan Abdullah Tuhin[edit]

Since I see your a native, maybe you can help at Mizan Abdullah Tuhin, I believe it should probably be speedily deleted for no indication of significance or as an autobiography. However, since I don't speak the language, all I can do for now is tag it as a non-English article. Thanks. War wizard90 (talk) 06:04, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello War wizard90, I think the article should be speedily deleted as non-notable person without bothering to list it at PNT. I didn;t found any coverage in reliable sources in English and Bengali language. Jim Carter 06:34, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Lalji Singh[edit]

Dear Jim Carter, Hope you are doing well. I have worked over a month now on the expansion and updation of article on Lalji Singh in my userspace here. W.carter has helped me to improve this. Could you please read and comment when you have some time? I would like to nominate this for GA at some point. I have also requested Philg88 for help on DYK from this article. Thanks in advance! Rgds. Educationtemple (talk) 13:25, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello Educationtemple, I have currently limited access to internet. I will take a look by tomorrow. Thank you for understanding! Jim Carter (from public cyber) 15:40, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Hello Educationtemple, on a quick look it seems like the article will easily pass our Good article criteria after few minor fixings. I will go ahead and do some work on your article later tonight. Really nice article! Good work. Also, thanks to W.carter. BTW it looks like you and @Philg88: is planning for a DYK. Since you are already working toward GA let's let the DYK go for now. It will become eligible for DYK all over again, if it is advanced to GA. What you say? Jim Carter (from public cyber) 06:46, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

That is perfectly fine dear Jim Cartar. Thanks for praises on the articles. I am sure @W.carter: is listening to the echos! I wait for a green signal from you for a GA nomination. Cheers! Educationtemple (talk) 07:20, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

@Educationtemple, Philg88: Okay, I'm done. The article is currently, 11159 characters (1745 words) of prose. Before you started expanding, it was 5179 characters hence it is 2.15 fold expansion that means it doesn't pass the DYK criteria. According to the criteria the article have to be expanded 5 folds. So, if you want to nominate the article for DYK, then you have to wait until the article pass a GA review. Now you need to fix few things before nominating it for GA: Firstly you have to find sources to verify about the subjects wife and children. In the "Wildlife Conservation and Forensics" sub-section, you have added 9 sources for a single statement; That is not needed and it looks very cluttery. Source number 69 need to be fixed. And I suggest you to remove words like "Hon'ble", they are generally used in promotional stuffs. Credentials like "Dr." should be avoided. Other than the few minor issues (mentioned above), I can't see any major problem. Fix the above mentioned issues and then you're ready to nominate the article for GA. Cheers, Jim Carter (from public cyber) 12:05, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Dear Jim Carter well pointed! However, I note that previous article was I think 878 words and current one is 3891 words (as I just calculated in MSWORD). I shall address all issues as you suggested and get back to you. I think the word Hon'ble was written for Hon'ble President of India and that is the way the law has provided us to address the Hon'ble President of India. If there is any other way to address Him, please let me know. I would however, remove Dr from everywhere if it is still left somewhere. Educationtemple (talk) 12:31, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Wife and Children: I have a book named "Safar" which is written in hindi" where the names of his children and wife is written. Also this is said and written (on screen) in ETV (a TV channel of India) documentary, which is online on youtube. Can we use this documentary as reference and shift this reference from external link to main reference section? Educationtemple (talk) 12:38, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

@Jim Carter, Philg88: Okay. I have now done all the fixes that you suggested. Briefly:

deleted the word Hon'ble before the Minister, however left it as such before the 'President of India' since this is a norm to address the President in India as 'Hon'ble', to the best of my knowledge. deleted extra reference(s) from section 'Wildlife Conservation and Forensics' as you suggested. deleted source 69 (now it was 63 after above editing) since it was not needed. Source 62 itself is powerful to prove this since it is GOI official website. I would like to keep 'Dr' before A.P.J. Abdul Kalam's name since he was the President of India, and there may be some support for this on WP rule book. If yes, then we may leave this as such. If not, please go ahead and remove this. Wife and children name issue still remains unsorted (see above proposed solution?) Cheers Educationtemple (talk) 13:00, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

We don't use Microsoft Words to count prose size as it doesn't excludes Infobox, References, Wikimarkup, categories etc. We generally use JavaScript tools like User:Dr pda/prosesize.js to count size. And according to a similar tool I got the result I mentioned above. According to the article President of India, Yes the president is refered as "Hon'ble" in India so I don't think it will cause any trouble.
You can use that Hindi language book as well as the Youtube link as source. To add the Youtube link as reference use this (Read the instructions carefully). You can use the Hindi language b ok using this. Just you have to add language parameter in the Citation. For example: <ref>{{cite book|title=Swadesh|author=Akash Rathore|isbn=| ...| language=Hindi}} {{Hindi icon}}</ref>
Hope this helps. Cheers, Jim Carter (from public cyber) 14:28, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Great! Will try updating it tomorrow. Good night! Educationtemple (talk) 20:19, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Dear Jim Carter, I have now added the citation for names of wife and children. Please see once if I did it right! Can I go ahead with nomination for GA now? Cheers! Educationtemple (talk) 07:24, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

@Educationtemple: You can go ahead and nominate it for GA. I thing it is ready, the GA reviewer of your article may ask you to change few things during the review process but don't worry they will be minor changes. About the Citation: Is the language used in the YouTube video Hindi? I don't have access to YouTube. If the video is in Hindi then add the following parameter: |language=Hindi inside the citation. Cheers, Jim Carter (from public cyber) 08:56, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Great! It is Telugu documentary by Telugu ETV channel. Added in source one. I will nominate now for GA as you suggested. Cheers! Educationtemple (talk) 09:37, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done! Cheers! Educationtemple (talk) 15:27, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Talkback message from Tito Dutta[edit]

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Hello, Jim Carter. You have new messages at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Editor_Retention/Editor_of_the_Week/Nominations#Ijon_or_Asaf_.28WMF.29.
Message added 13:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

That guy is doing superb works for our En WP Ind community. Now we should appreciate his works. Consider participating. (don't link his usernames) TitoDutta 13:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello Tito, I have seconded your nomination of Ijon. Jim Carter (from public cyber) 16:08, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


"Friend" should perhaps be "bandhu"? :-) Best wishes. Axl ¤ [Talk] 18:57, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

LOL! How did you know, bandhu? Do you speak Bengali? I thought you are from UK. :) Anyway, nice to meet you! Jim Carter 06:02, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
My parents are originally from Calcutta and immigrated to the UK in the 1970s. Axl ¤ [Talk] 11:57, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Oh I see. Anyway, see you around. :) Jim Carter 10:57, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

AfD possibly of interest[edit]

Is this discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ranikuthi something that you would like to contribute to? --MelanieN (talk) 02:00, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

@MelanieN: I have contributed in the discussion though I couldn't improve the article. I hope Tito can help here. Jim Carter 04:18, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Adjusting pilot start date - WP:Co-op[edit]

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Hello Jim Carter,

I'll be putting out a formal update sometime soon, but I wanted to inform you that I've decided to push our start date back to mid-February rather than in January. There are number of reasons for this, but the biggest factor is that we are now facing the hard work of implementing our designs on the Mediawiki interface. It's a limiting environment to work with from a web-building perspective, and the team that worked on the Teahouse can offer similar testimonials to these challenges. We also want to make sure there is time for us and for you to test the environment out, ask questions at our project's talk page, and give us a little time to make any last changes before we start inviting editors to the space. If some of you know you will be unavailable during this time, it's totally fine if you need to bow out for the pilot. But we do need all the mentors we can get, so even if you can take the time to mentor just one or two editors, that would be fantastic.
Thanks a bunch, I, JethroBT drop me a line on behalf of Wikipedia:Co-op.

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Talkback message from Tito Dutta[edit]

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Hello, Jim Carter. You have new messages at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_India/Condensed_proposed_roadmap_for_Wikimedia_work_in_India#MMS_right.
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Replied. Jim Carter 10:10, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

GA review Sunil Kumar Verma[edit]

Hello Jim Carter. Hope you are doing well! I have been working on Sunil Kumar Verma for quite some time now and fixed most of the issues raised by GA reviewer. May I request you to please fix for me the style of the dates within the references using some js script that you did for another article Lalji Singh. It was quick! I would appreciate if you could also pin-point and let me know if you see any major (or minor) problem in the article! Cheers! Educationtemple (talk) 10:58, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

@Educationtemple: I have fixed the date format. I'll take a look at your article tonight. Cheers, Jim Carter 11:19, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Update: W.carter had checked it and finished editing at her end! Just an update. Awaiting your hurry, please take your time. Cheers! Thanks. Educationtemple (talk) 10:34, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Jim! TC Educationtemple (talk) 11:24, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

@Educationtemple: I'm busy solving some real life mess, I suggest you to ask I_JethroBT. I'm sorry I can't help you at this time. I'm on and off nowadays. Ritche has reviewed many GAs so I think he can help you better than I could. Thank you for understanding! Jim Carter 11:43, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry to hear that Jim! I wish if I could be of any help!! Real life is difficult!!!! God bless and take care. Please drop me a line when you are comparatively better, I shall feel happy! Ya, I shall get in touch with I_JethroBT. Educationtemple (talk) 13:17, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello Jim! I wish you are bit better now. How is your mother? The GAR for Sunil Kumar Verma passed! Thanks for your help and guidance. Rgds. Educationtemple (talk) 18:54, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Mailing to a group[edit]

I noticed that you do the mailing for the WP:Co-Op group. Last week, Editor Isaacl and I had a conversation about a possible membership mailing for Project:Editor Retention. The need abated but, assuming a similar need arises in the future, what would be required to do an announcement, lets say. to the 175 members of WER??? . Buster Seven Talk 15:23, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

@Buster7: The mailing I did was to inform mentors about the WP:Co-op project's update. But in this case it will be a bit different. We have to announce about the membership mailing at the Editor Retention's talk page. Now, a mass message sender will send a one time message to all the members of the project asking them to see the Project's talk page. In this way we can announce it. We can't send the announcement at there talk page as it may look like spam/advertisement to them. (I can create a mailing list and send messages on your behalf.) Do you have any better idea? Jim Carter 04:23, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply Jim. We don't need a mailing now...but when we do I will let you know. . Buster Seven Talk 04:48, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


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Final warning[edit]

There are times when experience says when it is time to IAR and issuer a final warning. When it is blatantly clear that a user has no intention whatsoever of becoming a useful member of this community it is time to not mince words. We do not need trolls. We have a lot of kids who are reasonable editors and I bend over backwards to help them, but I have no time for children who I would send out of my classroom. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:42, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

@Kudpung: Pardon me, but I partially don't agree with you. Let me tell you a short story: Once upon a time there was a troll who came here with a single aim, disrupt Wikipedia. They ignored every single warning they got from the experienced ones. I don't think you remember but you have also given them a couple of warnings. He was a children whom you send out of your classroom. But another teacher spend sometime with him and make him understand how Wikipedia works and why he should not disrupt. While it was blatantly clear to others that he was not here to build, but that teacher didn't gave up. He got blocked for disrupting and was also blocked for sockpuppetry but the teacher still helped him. At last the troll was not a troll anymore. He became a useful member of the community. He started and contributed many GAs, FLs, DYKs, FPs etc.
While most people give out warnings to this sort of trolls but only an exceptional teacher can turn a blatant vandal into a productive editor. It is easy to give out a warning but it will take some time to make a troll admit his mistake. While you are much experienced than me but when dealing with this sort of users, I know better when IAR should be used and when a final warning is necessary and in this particular case it was not needed IMO. Experience doesn't do all the work, one need patience too. And BTW I was the troll in the above story. Cheers, Jim Carter 10:45, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
You've just shot yourself in the foot Jim: the user you are referring to actually ended up being blocked before they would even begin to understand. I haven't blocked the one we're talkjg about (yet), but if you would at least take a look at their user page you'll understand. If you have time, you are welcome to take him under your wing and mentor him. I've been a teacher for over 40 years, a Wikipedia editor for nearly 10, and an admin for 4 - are you telling me I don't have experience and don't know when to IAR? (rhetorical question). --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:57, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
@Kudpung: Hell no! Do you expect that being an admirer of your works, I can tell you such things? After all, I have learned from you! I just want people to be less Bitey towards new editors. You won't believe me but 4 out of 10 vandals are actually confused newbies. They can be productive, they just need proper guidance. I always try to be kind towards them because when I help a new comer, it reminds me about my past. Jim Carter 11:30, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
@Kudpung: Why? Jim Carter 11:37, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Because Melanie is an admin you and I helped create. That's why. And that's why I think you'll understand that I do a lot more helping newbies than biting them, but those who deliberately act the clown need a short sharp lesson. Experience has shown that if they are really interested in becoming a valued member of the community they will stay. If they leave, in most cases like that it's the best thing they can do until they come back when they are 10 years older. Believe me, it works. On another entirely different note, you'll probably notice sooner or later that as one of the most prolific members of WER since Dennis created it, I've left the project and slammed the door behind me.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:06, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
@Kudpung: why on earth did you left WER? Is it because Dennis is no longer active? Or is it because the project no longer works in the way it should work? Do you think that by leaving the project, Wikipedia will benefit? It will not sound good but I must say, you don't know where IAR applies. If you believe that the project is not working properly then being one of the most prolific member of WER you should support and improve the project (ignoring all rules) instead of saying them "bye". Leaving the project is cowardness, when you know what the problem is. Since Dennis is no longer much active, you should take the responsibility to lead the project (As you have the correct amount of experience). Please don't take my words personally, I'm telling this assuming that you are my good friend. Remember, I might have many rivals here, but I don't have a single enemy, not here, not in my real life. Even the worst rivals has given me barnstars. Best wishes, Jim Carter 17:37, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
It's not cowardice Jim. WER has practically collapsed and rather that wanting or trying to be its moral saviour, there are other places on Wikipedia that need my help more urgently. For example, take a look at this RfC I started: RfC to physically restrict access to the Helper Script. You might not even support it but you are most welcome to cast your vote. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:12, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
@Kudpung:. Why did you thought I might not support it? Is it because we have disagreements here? Actually, I have voted support. I don't know what made you think that way. But trust me, even we might have some disagreements but still I consider you as a good friend and a good mentor. Also, I don't vote support or oppose by just looking at the proposer (It is you in this case), I vote after evaluating the merits of the proposal. Cheers, Jim Carter 04:06, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for commenting at the RfC. When I inform you of a discussion like that one, I have to be neutral and point out that you are most welcome to vote whichever way you want. Thank you again for taking an interest in the way Wikipedia is run. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:12, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── You're welcome, friend. I think you should use this instead of informing users in their talk page. It will save your time and your proposal will get wide input. Cheers, Jim Carter 15:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 6, 2015)[edit]

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Freeze dried coffee, an example of the application of food science

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A Gotlandic friendship token for you![edit]

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For your help with a Gotland article. A traditional and very tasty Gotlandic dish served to distinguished guests on our little island — Sweet saffron pancake, made with almonds and rice, served with dewberry jam and cream. Face-smile.svg w.carter-Talk 10:14, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
If you think that the recipe sounds almost Indian, you are probably right. The Vikings here did get around. A lot! Look at this little thing found in a Viking treasure. Most of the Viking treasures here on the island are Islamic or from the Far East. And if you look at the picture stone at Gotlandsdricka you'll see that they got the style of their trousers from the Turks. Best, w.carter-Talk 10:30, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
@W.carter: Hey, this looks delicious! Thanks. Actually, I don't have much knowledge of Indian recipes (I barely go to my kitchen to cook something). Hmm... Interesting. So you are from Gotland? Jim Carter 12:06, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Right. I thought that was obvious by now. :) Cheers, w.carter-Talk 12:29, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
@W.carter: You should be mentioned here. Jim Carter 12:47, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
LOL! I don't think they allow usernames there. Face-smile.svg But if you flip to the "Veiw history page" you'll see my name many, many times. w.carter-Talk 13:19, 5 February 2015 (UTC)


Hey thanks for your suggestion to avoid new page patrol. I have been tagging articles long before I created my account with a 100% successful deletion rate, as each and every article is carefully investigated before a tag is place. But one thing I have continued to be annoyed by is editors tagging articles for deletion one minute after they are created. That's why I interested in creating a pre-deletion warning to let other editors know a article is already being watch. It would be great if you could point me in the right direction to get WP:CONSENSUS. Where would I start that discussion? Thnaks! Unit388 (talk) 21:52, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello Unit388, you can propose this idea either at the village pump or at the talk page of WP:NPP. Proposing this idea here will also work. But remember a simple discussion will won't work. Wider input from the community is needed to get a proper consensus. You have to start a WP:RfC to get wider input.
As you say you have been patrolling before registering this account, do you have any previous account? Cheers, Jim Carter 04:00, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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For pulling me up on my colourful language

I know some people on here hate bad language.... the problem is I do swear IRL and so at times I swear on here too which I try not to do,
Anyway I shouldn't of used bad language at you at all and I sincerely apologize for doing so
Thanks for the task - Closed as Delete Face-grin.svg,
Anyway have a great day - Happy Editing :) –Davey2010Talk 15:37, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Dave for the barnstar. I'm glad you understood your mistake. I do try to be polite but as I said, I don't tolerate any profanity (you can also see that on my talk page edit notice). Anyway, let's forget it and move on. Have a nice day! PS Thanks for closing it as delete without admin tools Face-grin.svg Jim Carter 09:07, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

On that RfC you're planning...[edit]

Hi Jim,

I noticed your comment about starting an RfC on physically restricting access to NPP on Kudpung's talk page. I just wanted to comment on it and note that I personally feel that it's not a good idea. (With no intended offense to you personally, I will be opposing if it goes live.) I say this because it is my belief that these restrictions imposed on new users are against the absolute core principle of Wikipedia, which is that anyone can contribute. Why shouldn't new users be able to help out with NPP and simply view the list of new pages? How about teaching users who want to help instead of just keeping them from helping at all? In fact, some of my very first edits were patrolling new pages, as I enjoyed it. I certainly did make some mistakes, but the mistakes helped me learn. If I had found out that it was physically impossible for me to patrol new pages, or if I had gotten messages on my talk page telling me that I was too inexperienced to help and should essentially run along and do "simpler things", I would have been rather discouraged, and may have even stopped contributing to Wikipedia, as I would have gotten the impression that Wikipedia is an elitist place that does not really follow its core principles. Sorry if I seemed a bit too blunt, but I just wanted to comment; that's all. Best regards, --Biblioworm 00:20, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello Biblioworm, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I thought for a while from your point of view, I respect your point of view but I don't agree with it. Yes, anyone can contribute here but there are few things here that needs experience first. Will you support if a brand new editor nominates himself for RfA? I hope no, because adminship needs some experiences. In the same way, reviewing a new page is not a work that should be done by new editors as one need to know policies and guidelines like WP:MOS, WP:GNG and deletion policy etc before reviewing. It is very very unreasonable that a brand new editor have read all those policies and guidelines. Remember, a blind cannot help another blind. 9 out of 10 new pages are created by new editors. A new editor can't help another new editor. So new editors should not review articles as they them self don't know the policies. This for example, when a new comer tagged an article for A3 and A7 when the article doesn't qualify for both the criteria. -I hope this explains why new editors should not help out with NPP. Teaching new users? -Most of the new users who start patrolling new pages don't listen to any warnings/advices until they get blocked. See Unit388 for example. I advised him to help out with other things but as you can see, he just ignored it. You might don't know but when I was a new user, I use to patrol many new pages, make many mistakes. When advised by others, I ignored them. At last I got blocked and then I understood. Experienced users have to spend hours to clear mess made by new users when patrolling pages in good faith. Remember, mess created in good faith is after all a mess. As you mentioned in your very first edit that, "I have editing experience on other wikis" so it is reasonable that you will have some knowledge of patrolling but a brand new editor will certainly make many mistake before they learn. Trial-and-error method should not be used when patrolling new pages. New pages are not guinea pigs. Honestly, from my experience, who's first edits where to patrol pages don't learn anything but they end up being blocked. I can show you many such examples. WOWIndian for example. I have unofficially mentored few editors, they started by improving existing pages rather than patrolling pages. Now one of them has improved an article to GA and created some DYKs.
500 mainspace edits & 90 days are not a huge requirement. Most editors learn policies after few thousands of edits and spending sometime improving/creating articles. Please thing about my idea deeply. Another advice: Never oppose a proposal just because you don't like the proposer. Try to evaluate the merit of the proposal. I hope Kudpung will agree with me. Best, Jim Carter 10:35, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply, Jim. Of course, I would not support a new user's run at RfA, as admins have a very large toolset that can cause severe damage if misused. That, in my opinion, is a rather poor comparison to NPP. NPP is where you add CSD/PROD/AfD tags, and these tags must be reviewed, either by an admin (CSD/PROD) or by the community (AfD).
Although some of your points have merit, there is one major problem with them. The problem is that by using this argument, a person could argue that new users should not be able to simply edit at all. Let's look at the arguments that could be used to keep new users from editing:
      • If new users do not know WP:MOS, WP:GNG, and all the other policies, how can we ever expect them to do anything responsibly? A new user that does not know all the syntax and style guidelines might really mess it up when they're trying to write an article, put in a picture, or copy edit (in good faith, mind you). I say this from personal experience, as I have run across all of these problems, and I'm sure most other have, as well.
      • Many users get blocked on an hourly basis for disrupting articles or just plain incompetence. This problem could be solved if they simply couldn't edit.
      • In light of all the arguments above, we should make all new users carefully read over all the policies, and then have them take a test to ensure their knowledge of them. If the pass, we grant them the right to edit, and if they fail, we make them do it all over again. Such a great idea, right?
Of course, we all know that a major RfC proposing this would probably be overwhelmingly shot down within hours, perhaps minutes, of going live, and that would happen because people would argue that admins just block the disruptive users, the mistakes are usually cleaned up, doing so would go against Wikipedia's core principles, etc. I give this example to show that there is technically more evidence to support outright banning new users from editing than there is evidence to support banning them from simply doing NPP. After all, admins just decline the misplaced tags, or delete them under a different criteria. Also, we have absolutely no way of knowing if any given "new user" is actually new. He may be a veteran IP who finally decided to create an account, or he may be a legitimate clean start of an experienced user. This blanket blocking would prevent them from doing these things. A perhaps somewhat rough example of this is Eric Corbett. He used to edit under a pseudonymous username, but then wanted his username changed to his real name. Apparently, the MediaWiki software cannot correctly rename users with many thousands of edits, so he had to create a new account. If these physical restrictions would have been in place, he would not have had the ability to do any of these tasks, although he was unquestionably qualified to do them. Keep in mind that he is not the only example, as there have been many cases of experienced users making a new account for one reason or another.
I perhaps have this point of view because throughout my entire life, I have always opposed almost any form of blanket discrimination, so that probably shows here.
Also, I never oppose RfCs merely because I "don't like the proposer". There might be certain users that I've had disagreements with, but I don't have a little book that lists my enemies, and I have no plans to make one, either. ;) Best regards, --Biblioworm 16:42, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
  • @Biblioworm: No where in my proposal I mentioned that all new editors should be restricted from editing anywhere. Reviewing and normal editing has huge differences. Reviewing others work needs lots more experience than normal editing. Can you attend a College without studying at a School? Same thing here, normal editing will make a new user experienced enough to patrol others work. Your above comment not clearly describe how Wikipedia will benefit if new users review. Why do think that 500 mainspace edits and 90 days experience is a bad idea. 500 mainspace edit will help the new user gain experience which will ultimately help them. Oh! BTW I think WMF can make a page that will be cascade protected, anyone listed on the page can access NewPageFeed. So, if a experienced user has switched account then they can make request on the page's talk page and ask an admin to list him on the page and in this way they can access the New page log. Even I can create such exemption method using JavaScript. I think I have addressed most of your concerns. Jim Carter 17:27, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
    • I never said that forbidding new users from editing at all was included in your proposal. I gave that example to show that by using the arguments used in support of restricting NPP, it would be possible to argue for the "editing rights approval system" I described above. In any case, I alone can't influence other people's opinions, so we'll just see how the RfC turns out. Regards, --Biblioworm 18:33, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
      • @Biblioworm: I didn't mean that you should influence others opinion. As you came here with the intention to let me know that you "will be opposing if it goes live" so I just tried to convince you. Anyway, thanks for your reply. Have a nice day! :) Jim Carter 09:32, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Proposed better NPP system[edit]

I'm in favor of making NPP more like AFC.

Join the debate here: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unit388 (talkcontribs) 02:49, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

It is not the time to consider introducing restrictions to access to NPP, but for very different reasons to those cited by Biblioworm. For such a major policy change the ground has to be prepared properly, any RfC preamble needs to be backed by solidly reseached statistics, and the timing should be right in order to take into consideration any other related policy changes that may need to be launched concurretly but on separate RfCs.
While perhaps possiby true in his case, Biblioworm's argument does not embrace the overall reality. NPP (and AfC) is in fact in the total mess it is due to being carried out by far too many users who have not cut their teeth on much simpler maintenance tasks and who ostensibly actually resent offers to teach them. Users who join Wikipedia with the sole intention of policing its editors and systems rather than contributing to article content are often regarded with a certain skepsis. Seriously motivated, mature new editors whose first articles don't quite meet our criteria and older and experienced editors like me and say, DGG just for example, would certainly resent being told what to do by a five-week, five hundred edit user, and while we may not openly demonstrate our disdain, such behavior hurts people who have contributed thousands of hours to this project or a lot of serious research into their articles, and they would not hesitate to ask a poorly performing patroller to 'run along and find somthing else to do'; and this has nothing more elitist about it than an elderly lady asking a rowdy teenager to not ride his bicycle dangerously on a crowded sidewalk. Ideed, in some cases such users have caused us the very loss of some very valuable contributors, one of whom was a retired professor with a PhD in his subject matter. We have to consider which is the greater loss. It's important however how we phrase it, and in fact in most cases such users see where they are going wrong, are grateful for the advice, and do excellent vandal patrolling for a few months first, get PC Reviewer and Rollback rights, and then move up to NPP.
It also bears mentioning that AfC, a far less important operation than NPP but just as complex, has clearly shown that it is not an area to learn the ropes by getting things hopelessly wrong, and in fact the community overwhelmingly agreed on a required level of experience (which is also shortly to be sharpened due to persistent poor reviewers who refuse to read the instructions), and we certainly do not hesitate to remove their access to the reviewing tool if they are causing the rest of us more work. Patrollers who suffer the kind of criticism Biblioworm refers to have usually been offered extremely friendly help and advice several times before finally being asked to stop patrolling. I was largely instrumental in persuading the Foundation to develop the New Pages Feed and its curation system for us - it took users like DGG, Blade, Scottywong and me several years and a lot of diplomatic negotiation with the most senior excecutives in the WMF.
The work of DGG and me, shared with many other long-time experieced Wikipedians, towards continuing to improve NPP and AfC continues, has a lot of support, and I would love to see detractors understand that while Wikipedia is the encyclopedia anyone can edit, its not a common blog or forum for trolls and vandals, and we need all the help we can get to maintain it as the world's largest knowledge base and its reputation for a serious approach to its maintenance. We have the confidence of the people who donate to its $70 million budget, some of whom give only $1 from their allowance (that's 'pocket money' in some regional forms of English), let's not disappoint them. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:37, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
@Kudpung: I'm just drafting the RFC. It won't be live until I get a green signal from you. Cheers, Jim Carter 10:39, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not really happy with a fixed time and edit restriction of new reviewers--I'd prefer something more flexible, but still one where someone must specifically ask for permit ion or have it offered to them , generally on a trial basis. Otherwise it's too easy to game the system, on one hand, or it hampers good new people who learn quickly. This would be a lot of work to be sure, but much less work than undoing the mistakes of reviewers who do not know what they are about, and then trying to instruct the reviewers after the fact. But if there is no agreement on this, still lee need a requirement of some sort, and time and edits is better than nothing. I would apply this to both NPP and AFC--the problems are almost identical. (if anything, bad work at NPP is easier to spot because it gets more attention).

I would very strongly advise combining the two systems, and would do this by making AFC more like NPP, certainly not the other way round. AFC is a wildly and extravagantly confusing and bureaucratic system, which results all too rarely in improvement, and all too often in both chasing away potentially good editors and in permitting bad promotional editors to submit the same junk many times over. The simplest and best fix for AfC is to simply eliminate it immediately as a route for new articles, and then work out the details of how to handled drafts and revisions. If I could do any one thing at WP right now, that's what it would be.

The alternative first step which might prove easier to get consensus for is to increase the requirements for participating in AfC. It's a second-best, because no matter what the requirements were it's a bad process in every possible way. But the more we can do here, it will at least help the situation. I'd raise the requirements for NPP too, but at the moment it's AFC that's in the worse shape and should be attended to first. DGG ( talk ) 23:48, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

@Kudpung, DGG: I thought about it for a while. I have another solution, there is no need for any diplomatic negotiation with the most senior excecutives in the WMF. Few editors have good knowledge of JavaScript, Technical 13, Wbm1058, Writ Keeper, Jackmcbarn etc. They can create a script which will be activated for everyone by adding the script to MediaWiki:Common.js. The script will work in this way: When a user tries to access Special:NewPagesFeed and Special:NewPages, the script will check if the user is 90 days old and has 500+ edit. If the user passes the requirement, they will be able to see the pages. If not, a notice will popup which will say something like this: "Sorry! currently you are not allowed to view this page as you don't pass the requirement needed for patrolling new pages." and the user will be redirected to mainpage. Now as DGG mentioned about flexibility, I have a idea: There will be two cascade protected pages, Wikipedia:New Page Patrol/Exempted users and Wikipedia:New Page Patrol/Prohibited users. The JavaScript will check both the pages when ever some one access New Page logs, if a user don't pass the requirement but his username is listed on Wikipedia:New Page Patrol/Exempted users page, they will be able to patrol. If a user is listed on Wikipedia:New Page Patrol/Prohibited users this page, even if they pass the criteria they won't be able to patrol, this page will help to prevent disruption. If a user things that he can patrol new pages as they are quick learner etc. then they can request at Wikipedia:New Page Patrol/Exempted users's talk to add them on the Exempted users list and an admin will decide if the user should be exempted or not. On the other hand I agree with DGG that we should merge NPP and AFC. Jim Carter 10:11, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
(And @DGG:). Keep those 'technical' soutions in mind and very much up your sleeve otherwise someone might steal your ideas, and because they are not for just yet. My RfCs are generally successful and what they have proven is that it pays to get an RfC consensus for what you want to do first, then follow up with an RfC on the proposed method(s) of actually doing it. We'll get there in the finish, but patience is a virtue, some of us have been carfully steering issues lke these towards successful solutions over a period of years. Thanks for joining us on this and let's keep working on it as a team.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:03, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  • I was pinged but am unable to follow to whole discussion from my mobile phone. Based on what I have read so far, doing this with JavaScript is not a very good idea and it should be done server side. I'll go into more detail when I get home to a computer. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 13:48, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  • I completely support the idea that there should be some kind of vetting process before a person can do NPP or AfC. Wikipedia is committed to the idea that this is "the encyclopedia that anyone can edit", but that doesn't mean that just anyone can judge the appropriateness of submitted material for inclusion in Wikipedia; that's a different function and one where competence is required. I can't contribute to the technical issue of how to do it but I will support whatever you all come up with. I think some kind of user-specific permission would be preferable to a tied-to-the-numbers system, but for starters it might help to prohibit brand new users and IPs from doing it. I certainly agree that before any such idea is proposed, it's important to work out the details of the proposal in discussion. I also agree that AfC is a bad process and is not working as intended. Personally I would blow it up. One indication that it is not working: as an admin I have become aware of a large number of people asking that their AfC submissions be deleted - because they got sick and tired of waiting for approval, and simply bypassed the system and submitted the article to mainspace themselves. And it's not uncommon to see something put up for deletion, after it was approved at AfC. --MelanieN (talk) 15:04, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  • @Kudpung, Technical 13: Yes,we are a team. I'm not worried about RfC to get consensus as I have some good statistics which will prove how patrolling new pages by new users are not good for Wikipedia. Techincal 13, I understand your concern, I guess that you might be worried that people may turn JavaScript off and try patrol but remember without JavaScript enabled one can't use Twinkle and Page Curation. Without those two gadgets patrolling pages I will very time consuming and not effective. The above idea can also applied from server. Jim toCarter)' 15:0407,9 February 2015 (UTC)
  • That's actually not my concern at all. Please check your edit history and restore a Melanie's comment and I'll explain what I mean and am thinking tomorrow when I get to a computer. —{{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 15:46, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
@Kudpung, Technical 13: I would not want to limit access to the pages. There is no reason why even new users should not tag problems.(Indeed, if they do not, we'll have it very difficult job figuring out if they know enough to judge correctly. It's the same as we ask people to comment for a while at AfD so we can they're qualified for the mop to make deletions) . What we want to prevent is their marking pages as patrolled/accepted/declined/ until they know what they;re doing. I would certainly not want to discourage anyone from finding copyvios on new pages.
I agree we don;t need to figure out the technical details first before we change the policy of what people can do--it seems clear there're many ways to implement this within our own capacity without involving the WMF. I would certainly not want to suggest making changes that require WMF approval. DGG ( talk ) 20:34, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
@DGG: I don't agree with you. The main problem is not "marking pages as patrolled", but their tagging. It is totally unreasonable that a brand new editor will learn policies like WP:Copyright and WP:Public Domain without spending few weeks and making some edits. There is no good reason provided in this discussion to show that new editors should patrol. We are not here to clear mess created by newbies as mess created in good faith is after all a mess. On the other hand, there are few sloppy admins who don't even look at the article before deleting. They just machine gun the delete button. Recently, while I was patrolling some already patrolled pages I found an article (I don't remember the subject's name) about a Indian writer tagged with CSD A7. The article was totally unreferenced but it was claimed in the article that the subject "earned Padma Bhusan award". CSD clearly states, "CSD A7 does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source". When I checked the history of the page, I found a comparatively new comer tagged the article. I came back to decline the CSD request when I found the article was already deleted by RHaworth. This was not the only time when I found new comers tagging CSDs without even learning the policies. This for example. I can show you many such bad patrolling. Look, if you want new users not to patrol pages then why should they view the page? There are no solid reason. For example: Why will a blocked user will log in to read Wikipedia articles? same thing here, why will new comers need to see New Page Feeds when they can do nothing with it?. To stop new users from patrolling, we have to restrict them from viewing that page. Tell me us if you have any better idea. Cheers, Jim Carter 11:21, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
I continue to disagree. Just as thee is in practice no way to learn how to write articles except to try to write them, there is in practice no way to learn how to recognize article problems except to tag them. A rule that only experienced editors may place a deletion tag will result in more of them being miss for long periods -- the admins can evaluate almost immediately everything tagged for speedy or prod, but not every article or every afc submission. I'm quite accustomed to seeing bad speedy tagging, and I'm quite accustomed to explaining it, and people rarely repeat those errors. What is needed is to prevent the new user from making the decisions, and the reason there's a specific problem with AfC is that the contributors regard the declines as a real statement by someone who knows something. I think this sort of limit is totally inappropriate, and before you start discussing just how to go about it, the first step is an afc to see if the community wants to do it the first place. I hope they will not, and my prediction is that if this were proposed at this point , it would result in the rejection of the whole new articles screening improvement plans. Desperate as I am to improve the process, I would do everything I can to oppose it being done this way, just as i opposed the earlier proposal to greatly limit the ability to write a new article. I really do believe in "everybody can edit," I know from experience that many people begin and limit themselves to tagging problems and do well at it, and I disapprove of long time limits for access to routine processes. I will not discard the principles of WP because of solvable problems with specific processes. I agreed with Hasteur that discussion of program details is way premature. DGG ( talk ) 20:52, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
@DGG: I respect your opinion but I think there are some major problem with your reasons. Why do you think that there is "no way to learn how to recognize article problems except to tag them"? Any editor who send sometime editing in the mainspace will obviously understand how things work here and how to recognize article problems. Experience is the key. Just today, I declined a couple of CSD requests which where tagged by a newcomer who hardly has 70 edits, this is a waste of time. NPP is not guinea pigs that new users can experiment there editing skills. Reviewing another person's work and normal editing are two different things. You said, "no way to learn how to write articles except to try to write them", my first article was a DYK, I learned to write articles after I spend time editing existing articles. I also believe that "everybody can edit," but as I said, normal editing and patrolling has huge differences, just like the difference between template editor right and admin bits. Oh, BTW we may have disagreements but I hope we are still friends? Best, Jim Carter 10:17, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Well, my experience with speedy patrol differs. It's one of the easiest things I do, compared to NPP and AFC. The trouble from bad speedy nominations is minimal compared to them, and many other things, such as bad nominations at AfD. DGG ( talk ) 18:51, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
@DGG: Actually the difference is because I'm not an admin, that means I only patrol those which are bad nominations and should be declined. Honestly people like me do the work for admins. This is the reason why it is a easy work for admins but a time waste for people like me. Best, Jim Carter 09:38, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Technical 13 Please take a look here. I'm not a JavaScript expert and I know it currently has some huge errors but I know you can fix it. Please take a look. Cheers, Jim Carter 14:12, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Okay, now that I'm home I can take a minute. With AfC it is all user generated JavaScript and a fully user run system, so setting limits and whatnot in a user generated way such as the use of the checkpage to access the helper script is logical. However, with NPP that is not the case. NPP has a system of Special pages and the Curation tool (which is JavaScript) that was all produced by the Foundation for that purpose. Any requirements or limitations that are decided to be implemented should be implemented server-side on those special pages or in the case of the Curation tool it should be added by the foundation. I'm not 100% familiar with how NPP is put together although I've peeked and poked here and there but I'm sure that if someone put in a Phab ticket to make a change to the system that either myself or someone else interested (we could certainly CC Jackmcbarn if he might be interested) to make any changes to the extension or gadget or whatever it is that puts the whole thing together. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 16:43, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
    @Technical 13: I'm not interested in the policy for who should be allowed to use NPP, but once a consensus is reached on that, ping me and I'll help get the technical stuff for it set up. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:37, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
    @Technical 13: there are two ways to see new pages: 1) Special:NewPagesFeed; 2) Special:NewPages. Special:NewPages doesn't use Curation tool. Jim Carter 10:17, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Based on what you say, Technical 13, I might need to revise my opinion about whether to modify NPP or AFC. Whatever system we develop should be one that we can control, not one that has to be programmed by the foundation. I certainly do not want us to be in the position of having to justify our restrictions to them--they are not an appropriate judge of who is allowed to edit what in the enWikipedia. But I am not sure that we would not be ingenious enough to figure out a way to control access to even their system on our WP. DGG ( talk ) 03:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Actually, I have another idea to restrict those pages but I'm not sure (yet). I will do a quick test on test Wikipedia and let you people know through email. I don't like how Biblioworm started announcing about this at Village pump etc. Cheers, Jim Carter 09:38, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
I apologize if you didn't like it. However, seeing what this would entail, I think this is an issue that the community is more than entitled to discuss publicly. (Remember that something here never belongs to only one person or a group of people; it belongs to the entire community.) Also, I started the thread out just to see what general opinions were, not to "expose" it, as some might imagine. Thanks, --Biblioworm 15:01, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
@Biblioworm: No need to apologize but it would have been better to inform me first (as I'm the one you mentioned there) before announcing. Also, your announcement looked like a criticism of my proposal as your comment there was not neutral, you at first told that "Jim Carter to start an RfC concerning physically restricting access to the the New Pages Feed". Now you said "I would oppose such a proposal" but no where you mentioned why I'm planning for such restriction. You just said Jim Carter is planning for an RfC but you haven't told why he's planning; the main reasons behind it. So, it's reasonable that people will oppose as they didn't understood the actual intentions of the proposal as you didn't made it clear to them. On the other hand, as I'm going to be the proposer, people will get a false impression about me that I'm a newbie hater which I'm not. Please try to be patient, this sort of proposal takes years to get consensus and as you wanted to know "the general community's opinion about this", you will get to know their opinion in the future RfC. Best, Jim Carter 11:17, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
I'll try to edit my statement for a bit more neutrality if I get the chance... --Biblioworm 15:12, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
@Biblioworm: It will be of no use. Leave it as it is. Thanks! Jim Carter 16:10, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Kudos for the intiatives here, Jim, and Biblioworm and Technical 13 but what I see is a lot of enthusiasm and energy ignoring the huge amount of work and research that has been done over the years by users such as me, DGG, The Blade of the Northern Lights, and WereSpielChequers for example, who lobied to get us the new New Page Patrol system in the first place, and my in-depth poll with 1,300 respondents (a poll like that needs WMF permission) and Foundation comissioned experts who did masses of required data mining. Here I am seeing budding code writers vying for acceptance of their systems just as they have been doing at AfC and getting nowhere rather fast. I'm clearly with DGG on this, and to a certain extent with Hasteur - I'm not saying we lay claims to ownership of what we achieved for NPP, but what many of have learned 4 years ago (Yeah, that's how long it goes back already) is that a lot of patience is required, and to proceed with utmost caution with anything the WMF has a handle on. Perhaps that's the best experience we can share at the moment. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:42, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 7, 2015)[edit]

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CVU Academy "Application"[edit]

Hello Jim Carter! I'm interested in going through the CVU academy, and was wondering if you were interested in/able to take any students. Thanks! -- ATOMSORSYSTEMS (TALK) 09:42, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi AtomsOrSystems! I'm happy to instruct you how to identify and deal with vandalism. Please take a look at this page to know how I instruct new vandal patrollers. If you feel that my style of teaching suits you then please leave me a message here and I will create your "Academy" page. Best, Jim Carter 10:39, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
I think that will work out perfectly, thanks! -- ATOMSORSYSTEMS (TALK) 21:33, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello AtomsOrSystems, I have started your academy page and have left there some tasks for you. Read the instructions on the page carefully and keep the page on your watchlist. Best, Jim Carter 05:22, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks again! -- ATOMSORSYSTEMS (TALK) 08:46, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
@AtomsOrSystems: You're welcome :) I have left two more task for you. Cheers, Jim Carter 10:37, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks again for everything, Jim! Because of work, I probably won't respond to the latest section for a few days. I just wanted to let you know. -- ATOMSORSYSTEMS (TALK) 20:35, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
No worries, AtomsOrSystems :) Jim Carter 09:32, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-07[edit]

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DYK for Chotoder Chobi[edit]

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Well, no one really offer help on wikipedia. But, thanks for saying that. I will definitely ask you if I have doubts. I hope to work here sincerely.—Prashant 18:12, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

@Prashant!: This page is always open for you to ask questions. Never hesitate to ask me when in trouble. Best, Jim Carter 18:44, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank You so much for showing kindness. No one has really shown kindness to me. I remember Dr. Blofeld was the first and the last person to show some kindness to me. I appreciate it.—Prashant 18:49, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

New Wikilove message[edit]

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A Punch - thing for you. Hafspajen (talk) 12:36, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you friend. This looks delicious! Nowadays people are giving me too many delicious but dishes with odd names, this for example. :) Jim Carter 12:44, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

A pastry[edit]

Bear claw pastry.JPG Bear claw for you
A Bear claw pastry Hafspajen (talk) 12:45, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Strange, I didn't found this pastry in a near by shop! Thanks again, Hafspajen. Another delicious one. Jim Carter 12:49, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

one more[edit]

Vol-au-vent-1.jpg A Vol-au-vent
A Vol-au-vent for you Hafspajen (talk) 12:51, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
A really odd name of a really yummy dish. I wonder why people call this dishes by so unusual names! Jim Carter 12:59, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Saffranspannkaka ... ? Uh? Red link? I feel suddenly LOST. The fundamentum is gone. Stability. Reliability. Hafspajen (talk) 13:05, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

That was confusing. Why? Hafspajen (talk) 13:19, 12 February 2015 (UTC) How about this and And this? This is good this ... But this this you must wait a week with. Hafspajen (talk) 13:24, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Hafspajen All of them deserves to be FP. I have already nominated one, as you know. I will try all of them. Keep on giving me suggestions, I really appreciate it. :) Jim Carter 12:19, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


Perhaps it's not unsalvageable. But it's a horrible mess, and it's not ready to be an article. I've restored it, and placed it in the DRAFT namespace where it can be fixed, trimmed, polished, etc. Based on the information I was able to glean from the text, we should have an article on Liu Guangdi. But we shouldn't have that as an article on Liu Guangdi. I also wonder why you were the one to approach me about this: you don't seem to have edited the article at any time in the past.

On a tangentially related topic, I strongly suggest that you moderate your tone so as to seem less threatening. Telling someone to restore an article "right now" is not conducive to good relations. Nor, for that matter, is raising the spectre of Arbcom and the threat of desysopping. DS (talk) 14:04, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven: I wouldn't have said that if you didn't have deleted that article for such a baseless reason. Wikipedia takes matter related to deletion very seriously as you already know. Your deletion was so wrong that it looked like abuse of admin powers. Consider my message was a warning. It was really bad that you deleted a newbie's article just stating "unsalvagaeble". You are not a new admin, you must know what you are doing. I don't know why you felt that I was threatening as it would have been even worse for you if I directly took the matter at ANI, but I didn't did that; just warned you. My words might have been a bit harsh but as I said, it is nothing if compared to ANI. Instead of pointing me what I did, you must apologize to the article's creator as I guess you haven't informed about the deletion to the creator.
Why I approached? I was about to edit the article to clear the mess. I have even asked Philg88 to look for Chinese sources when you deleted the article.
Anyway, please do not delete articles just because you think the article is a huge mess. This time it was just a warning, next time it would be worse- just a advice to the wise. Best, Jim Carter 15:48, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
I look forward to seeing your cleaned-up version. DS (talk) 15:55, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
@DragonflySixtyseven: Sure. I will try my best to clear the mess. Did I told you how I found the page? Actually I was patrolling pages when I found it. BTW I hope we are still good friends? :) Jim Carter 06:34, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Jim, regardless of the rights and wrongs of deleting the article, you could have handled this better. Issuing people with "orders" is not conducive to improving the encyclopedia. If something like this happens again please think carefully about how to bring the problem to the relevant party's attention. Thanks for listening.  Philg88 talk 06:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
@Philg88: The deletion was not a mistake that I will leave him a simple note. To stop further disruption a warning was needed and I given it. It was not a mistake that can be overlooked as I said, Wikipedia takes deletion related matter seriously. If I reported this to AIN, it would be lot more worse for him and his actions would have been a subject of further scrutiny. I did what I thought best for Wikipedia and I hope I didn't did anything wrong. And it was not a "order" as I was worried that if others get to know about this deletion they wouldn't wait for his response instead go for community discussion which could even resulted him to be under cloud. Best, Jim Carter 06:34, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I know that Wikipedia takes deletion matters seriously so a lecture is unnecessary. Take my comment in the spirit it was meant, as friendly guidance to ensure the continued smooth running of the encyclopedia. Cheers,  Philg88 talk 06:39, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice, Mr. Holmes, I respect your opinion even if I disagree with your point of view. Thanks again, Jim Carter 09:45, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Co-op mass message[edit]

Hey Jim. Just wanted to ask, when you are able, to send a mass message to the list of mentors for the Co-op based on the recent update I made today. Thanks so, so much for volunteering to help me reach out to the mentors this way! I, JethroBT drop me a line 00:51, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jethro! I will be sending out the mails in the next few hours. Thanks for informing me. Best, Jim Carter 03:44, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Message sent, I JethroBT. Note: The list of mentors who will get this messages are listed here. I say we create a separate page to list names of all the mentors instead of listing them in the talk page. I also wonder what are the requirements of being a mentor. Thanks! Jim Carter 10:44, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for creating that mailing list; we will have a page of profiles for mentors not unlike how the Teahouse maintains a list of hosts, and I'll soon be nixing the list on the talk page (or archiving it someplace). As for requirements to become a mentor, we won't be bringing on any new mentors during the pilot. The pilot is just to see whether this is useful for new editors and whether it is sustainable. The editors who are mentors right now were invited because they have already done some engagement with new editors either through The Teahouse, the Adopt-a-user program, AfC, IRC, OTRS, or some other help space. I, JethroBT drop me a line 09:18, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

WP:Co-op news for December 2014 – Feburary 2015[edit]

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Hey Jim Carter, it's been a while. The Co-op team has been hard at work during over the winter, so let's get right into what's been happening:

Landing page draft. You know it's a draft when you need to squint at the logo, ha ha.
  • Graphic design work is nearing completion and development work is coming along slowly but surely. The main components of the space, profiles, the landing page, and the mentor landing page have all been built, and we're basically just putting the pieces together. We have close-to-final draft of the landing page, which is currently at User:Slalani/Landing_page, and in the thumbnail to the right. You can check out other components over at User:Slalani if you're curious. Soni, Slalani, and I are working together on some of the front page elements. We've also been doing some testing on for profile building and matching. If you're curious about checking that out, let me know.
  • We've finished up a survey for newer editors to assess their experiences of using existing help spaces (e.g. Reference Desk, Teahouse, IRC, The Wikipedia Adventure) on en.wikipedia. Gabrielm199 is putting together a summary of that survey, and in the meantime, some findings from that survey of 45 newer editors include:
    • On average, editors found contributing to Wikipedia to be easier after using the help space compared to before.
      • However, after using one or more help spaces, only half of editors reported that editing, addressing social challenges, and resolving technical issues were easy or very easy. The other half of editors were either neutral, or reported that these matters were difficult or very difficult.
    • Just under 30% (11 of 38 editors) of newer editors said they probably would have stopped editing entirely had they not received support from the help space they used.
    • Editors frequently reported either 1) that they would not have been learn what they needed without the help space, or 2) That they could have found it, but admitted that it would have been difficult or taken much longer.
  • We will be making one final move of the pilot start date to March 4th, 2015. This is the last move (I promise), because we can't afford to run the pilot any later than that. So there it is: March 4th or bust! But we won't bust, because there are just a few things left on our plate before we can run our pilot successfully. I'll be alerting you about when you will be able to make mentor profiles soon, so when you get a message about that, please take a minute or two to create your profile here (otherwise, you won't get matched to any editors!).

Thanks to all of the new mentors who have joined over the past few months. Big thanks to Missvain to posting about our little project here to the gendergap-l mailing list. I, JethroBT drop me a line 00:47, 13 February 2015 (UTC) on behalf of Wikipedia:Co-op.

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Valentine Greets!!![edit]

Wikilove2 new.png Valentine Greets!!!

Hello Jim Carter, love is the language of hearts and is the feeling that joins two souls and brings two hearts together in a bond. Taking love to the level of Wikipedia, spread the WikiLove by wishing each other Happy Valentine's Day, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person.
Sending you a heartfelt and warm love on the eve,
Happy editing,
 - T H (here I am) 12:07, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Valentine Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Nice Koekjes[edit]

Yummy! Thanks Buster7, I was really hungry :) Jim Carter 10:37, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Just a gentle reminder to congratulate this weeks EotW. I have collaborated closely with him and he is a great editor, like you. BTW, I like your new signature. Buster Seven Talk 20:39, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Congratulated. He is really a great Wikipedian and a very kind person, just like you! Actually, I still use my old sign. My signature represents a country's flag ;) Jim Carter 10:05, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


I am planning to create a Portal and Wikiproject on Priyanka Chopra as she has large number of topics to discuss. Is it right to create? Please tell me as I really don't know about it.—Prashant 09:11, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Prashant! I don't think it is a good idea to create either Portal or WikiProject on Priyanka Chopra. According to WP:Portal/Guidelines, a portal helps to browse on a particular subject, hence the subject of a portal should be broad so that it presents a diversified content. But in this case there are not much things to say about Priyanka Chopra, other than the subject's filmography, awards and biography; it can't be said "broad". Look at Portal:Bollywood for example, the portal serves widely for the subject, Bollywood. There are more than a thousand of articles related to Bollywood. A portal that doesn't presents diversified content maybe speedily deleted any time as per our CSD criteria. On the other hand, a WikiProject is a place where a group of editors improve the coverage or content of articles that come under a specific but broad topic. But in this case, to maintain a handful of articles; a WikiProject is not needed IMO. I suggest, don't create yet another WikiProject or a Portal. Hope this helps! Best, Jim Carter 10:34, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey! But, IndianBio said its alright to have only a portal. So, I have alreafy created. Priyanka Chopra has several topics such her songs, her album will be also released, her paegent wins, and she is also starting playback singing means she will have more songs. Plus, her films are so many which are very different from eavh other. And, not to forget her ABC show is also coming.—Prashant 10:39, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

@Prashant!: As you already created the portal, nothing can be done now other than improving it. I'm not really familiar about the subject so I hope IndianBio has said it after research. It sounds like most of the subject's work are upcoming projects; remember Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTAL BALL. Also, as you created the portal, always remember to update it from time to time, stale outdated portals are subject to WP:MfD. Best, Jim Carter 11:11, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah! Thanks! I will definitely improve it. IndianBio has a great knowledge. That's why I asked him before creating it. He said its fine. Actually, Chopra has variety of topics already and her upcoming ventures will add to it.—Prashant 11:19, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 8, 2015)[edit]

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A Sicilian ice cream parlour

Hello, Jim Carter.

The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection:

Ice cream parlour

Previous selections: Stadium • Food science

Get involved with the TAFI project! You can...
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A barnstar for you![edit]

FL barnstar (color).png The Featured List Barnstar (colored)
For your effort on Abhishek Bachchan filmography. I remember when I suggested withdrawal from the FLC, but since then it improved a lot and it eventually paid off as a featured list. Congratulations! FrankBoy (Buzz) 17:17, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much, friend! It wouldn't have been possible for me to make it FL if Cowlibob haven't have helped me. I think he deserves more credit than me. Jim Carter 12:14, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-08[edit]

17:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Enthiran/archive1[edit]

I have opened the peer review for the film. Please do suggest any changes that I should make before I go for FAC. — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 10:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Presentation proposal for Wikimania 2015[edit]

Wikimania 2015 Mexico City identity.jpg Presentation proposal for Wikimania 2015
Hello to the members of WikiProject Women writers! Victuallers and I have developed a proposal for a talk to be presented at Wikimania 2015. It's titled, How to pick up more women -- as in more women editors and more women's biographies. The proposal review process has begun and there's no guarantee that this proposal will be accepted. That's where you come in. Please review our proposal and give us feedback. Ultimately, we hope you add your name to the signup at the bottom of the proposal which signifies you're interested in the talk (it does not signify you'll be attending the event). Thank you! Rosiestep (talk) 21:38, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 9, 2015)[edit]

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Trailer Trash is a US derogatory term for poor people living in trailers or caravans. It appears that these trailer trash happen to live on a trailer park.

Hello, Jim Carter.

The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection:

Trailer Trash

Previous selections: Ice cream parlour • Stadium

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Jane Trahey[edit]

Horusaugen auf dem Markt von Marsaxlokk Nov 2014 01.JPG

Hi, Jim! About your note here, I suggest you remove it. It's premature; the DYK nomination hasn't even been reviewed yet. Victuallers wasn't reviewing it, he was just making a suggestion about timing. Somebody else will still have to review and approve it. Also, the exact timing is up to the admin who promotes the hook to the queue. Specifying a month is OK; specifying an exact date, unless there is a VERY good reason for it, is just causing them trouble. OK? --MelanieN (talk) 15:27, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, MelanieN. It looks like someone has already reviewed. My original intention was to nominate it for GA but later changed my mind. Anyway, do think it will pass a GA review? Should I nominate it for GA? What's your opinion? Jim Carter 17:27, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Jim, it looks good to me, but I can't really judge if it is Good. I am not a GA reviewer. There's one way to find out: tag it with a GA nomination and see! 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 17:35, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Whoa, I hadn't noticed that you found an image for the "legend" ad campaign. That is awesome! --MelanieN (talk) 17:35, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
@MelanieN: I will not take the risk. I don't know how that image came, checking back to the article's history it appears like a new comer added it. On a closer look I found the image has been nominated for deletion at Commons (I wonder how both the reviewer and you overlooked it). I think the image cannot be used in the DYK until the deletion discussion closes. Cheers, Jim Carter 11:32, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know, Jim. I will withdraw that hook. --MelanieN (talk) 19:23, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

The Jane Trahey DYK has been promoted and is in the queue. I didn't do the math but it looks like it will be on the front page in two or three days. --MelanieN (talk) 17:24, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

It looks like it will be posted March 9 your time, from 5:45 AM to 5:45 PM. --MelanieN (talk) 00:59, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-09[edit]

16:28, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

How are you my friend[edit]

Hello. Today I remembered you. How are you ? Hope things are bit better now at your real life front. Me too bit busy these days and bit disturbed and over burdened too with lots of work. Please take care and share with me if there is something interesting. A friend. Educationtemple (talk) 18:02, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi friend! Lot better now, though things are not yet solved in real life but I managed to log in and spend a small amount of time editing. Tell me about you, Working on a new article? Or just improving the existing articles. Let me know whenever you start a new project, I might come and do some minor tweaking. Best, Jim Carter 10:42, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Hay! Good to hear from you! Dont worry, things will be sorted out, just keep trying. My boss used to say that when we are in problem, we should split that problem into pieces and then find solution to each piece independently! It worked with me!

I am working in back end and doing research about P M Bhargava. He is 96-97 years old and known as Architect of Modern Science in India. However his Bio on Wiki is flagging with red since it is not written properly. Working on this; he has more than 500 news clips. Just sorting the best and trying to cover best of him.

Also struggling with GA for Sunil Kumar Verma Jethro is doing well, but he is tough!! Hope, it will pass....Educationtemple (talk) 15:32, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement, Educationtemple, recently one of my good friend started ignoring me (no longer replies to my email etc.) and it appears that they no longer want to keep friendship, my mother is not well and I'm also experiencing some serious health issues. In real life, I don't have too many friends and a loss of another good friend, who use to care about me, is a big loss for me. I don't know when things will change but I hope time will heal everything.
Yes, Jethro is a bit tough but he is a experienced GA reviewer. I wish your article will pass. Best, Jim Carter 17:08, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Dear Jim, I can understand! I know the pain of loosing!!

I was completely shattered into tears once - my boss sent me this by email!! Connecting the dots! We dont know now, but after some time, they will make a sense! You will smile silently and you would be happy. Take your mother to good doctor. You also see a good doctor once. They have healing powers given by God, even if they dont give any medicine. God bless! Educationtemple (talk) 17:21, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, Educationtemple. See you around! Jim Carter 08:10, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Wikimania/Co-op mass message?[edit]

Hey Jim-- any chance you could get this message out for a Wikimania submission about the Co-op I've put together? I don't know how many mentors will be going, but if they are, I suspect some of them would like to see how the project research turns out, and Wikimania would be a great way to present it. Thanks in advance. I, JethroBT drop me a line 09:30, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Sure, Jethro. Will do it by the next couple of hours. BTW I have also proposed a proposal to make Wikipedia free of data charges for users from developing countries, I will be glad if you sign up here. Thanks! Jim Carter 12:53, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I saw! I already signed up, and I'm looking forward to your talk. :) I, JethroBT drop me a line 13:21, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

WP:Co-op: Presentation at Wikimania 2015[edit]

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Hey Jim Carter. I've put in a submission for a presentation at Wikimania 2015 called Is Two the Magic Number?: The Co-op and New Editor Engagement through Mentorship. I'll be talking about the state of finding help spaces on and how our new mentorship space, The Co-op, factors into that picture. Reviewing will begin soon and I'll need your help to be able to present our work. Please review our proposal and give us feedback. If you would be interested in seeing this presentation, whether you are attending or not, please add your name to the signup at the bottom of the proposal (you do not need to attend Wikimania to express interest in presentations). I, JethroBT drop me a line on behalf of Wikipedia:Co-op.

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Speedy deletion declined: Igqirha[edit]

Hello Jim Carter. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Igqirha, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The ban was for a username infraction, not a content issue, so article creation cannot be in violation of the block. Article might not survive AFD or even a PROD, but I don't think it qualifies for CSD A7. Thank you. GedUK  14:08, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


Jim, I left a message higher up on this page in an older thread. Please don't let it go ignored. On a imilar note, please consider doing some research before you rush into things, the NPP school exists for a couple of years alread (which proves that you haven't even bothered to read the page at WP:NPP) It is modeled on the format of the established suite of tutorials and mentorship. projects. If you think you have enough knowledge of policies, you are welcome to be an instructor there. See Wikipedia:New pages patrol/School --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:50, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

@Kudpung: Heaven knows why you're telling all this to me. I was talking about something of much greater level with graphical interface like WP:Co-op. Not something like the one you said. As I totally forgot about it. Now that I know, I will do my best to forget it. It has nothing to do with me and my work here, I keep only those things in my mind which are essential for my work. I know almost everything about Deletion policies and guidelines by heart for instance. Anyway, I may propose I JethroBT to merge that project with WP:Co-op. About research: It was a random idea came to my mind and I mentioned about it to Biblioworm. I have no real plans of proposing any new project like the one you founded, it is very likely that any such project will be marked as historical after few years. Also, I'm sorry, I will advice you something: Please try to be less bumptious when in conversations, it is annoying sometime and please don't come to conclusion too quickly, not helpful. Best, Jim Carter 04:45, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Having read the aforementioned thread, are you referring to Wikipedia:New pages patrol/School for a merge or something else? I think a page like this could fit well in the mentor resources page we've started putting together. I, JethroBT drop me a line 05:07, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, Jethro, I think it is better to merge Wikipedia:New pages patrol/School into WP:Co-op but I will leave it to the founder Kudpung to decide if he want it to get merged or not. Best, Jim Carter 08:04, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Your RfA vote[edit]

Okay, rather than badger you at the RfA, I'll badger you here. What does your vote mean, not to mention the edit summary?--Bbb23 (talk) 06:02, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Dear Triple B twenty three, I never use humor in my !votes but today I made an exception. My life has become too serious nowadays- no joke, no humor. So added a humors vote. Thanks for noticing that, my friend. I suppose my vote made you a bit confused. Jim Carter 07:56, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Speaking from the experience retained from the vast research I have made into RfA over the pasr 6 years and probably one of the major protagonists for improvement of the process, one of the things that stands out is that generally , the community does not appreciate humour at RfA. Unless exceptionally clever and appropriate, it's probably best left out in favour of a fitting comment or rationale. RfA is serious business - probably the most serious that most editors ever get involved in. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:24, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
@Kudpung: Life is too short to argue all this. But you say, "for improvement of the process". I'm sorry but it is particularly your opinion that "RfA has been improved". I can't see any improvement instead it has become worse. I have looked at many RfAs of 2008 and 2009. The environment was not as toxic as it is now. You have to be a perfect candidate (No mistake, no controversial comment, no controversial action, no drama, no humours comment etc) to become an admin. Look at Fenix Down's RfA and MelanieN's RfA (After being a perfect candidate, her RfA was still not spotless) and now look at Armburst's recent RfA as well as Rcspinster's RfA. Just because Armburst and Rcspinster was involved in some kind of conflicts in the past they didn't passed. If they had run during 2007, they would have certainly passed. Only those people now run who are "bullet proof" as noted by Risker, you made a mistake = your RfA failed, you can see TomW's RfA. This is just an example: If you yourself go at WP:BN and ask your bits to be removed and then run for adminship, I'm not sure you will pass given that people will raise issue of your BITEY nature and bad closure of an RfC even when I myself think that you are not BITEY and your closure was not bad. In short, if you say that you have improved the process, I would say no. Jim Carter 04:52, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Please don't lecture me, Jim, about life being too short. Wikipedia simply needs objective participation. If you are going to continue to act like an admin, perhaps you should take your chance at RfA. You obviously haven't done the same research into RfA asmany experienced editors have.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:48, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
@Kudpung: You make a good point about it being a serious matter. I too injected humour. It will be the last time, I promise. My apologies. Respectfully, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:45, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, I agree that Wikipedia needs objective participation. And your point about RfA: "a serious matter" is well taken, I stroked my humors !vote and I too apologize. And I also found your point about RfA being much more toxic back during 2010, 2011 etc is true. After comparing the close miss of 28bytes's or Rich Wales's RfA during 2010 with Tom.W's RfA, I agree that the level of civility is much higher in Tom.W's RfA. Kudpung, life being too short is something my personal opinion, I was not lecturing. Did you saw the above thread? I'm currently experiencing health problems and now my health has deteriorated so it is my personal opinion, please don't mind. BTW, this is just a theory I think. I suppose the theory has not actually been implemented in the process. @Anna Frodesiak: Just wondering, how did you found this thread? Jim Carter 08:50, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
I am watching the RfA and this page. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:17, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
I see. Jim Carter 09:55, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Anemone purple anemonefish[edit]

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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Panoramic view of a ridge between Segla and Hesten, Senja, Norway[edit]

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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Heliconius ismenius[edit]

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WikiCup 2015 March newsletter[edit]

One of several of Godot13's quality submissions during round 1

That's it, the first round is done, sign-ups are closed and we're into round 2. 64 competitors made it into this round, and are now broken into eight groups of eight. The top two of each group will go through to round 3, and then the top scoring 16 "wildcards" across all groups. Round 1 saw some interesting work on some very important articles, with the round leader Australia Freikorp (submissions) owing most of his 622 points scored to a Featured Article on the 2001 film Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within which qualified for a times-two multiplier. This is a higher score than in previous years, as Smithsonian Institution Godot13 (submissions) had 500 points in 2014 at the end of round 1, and our very own judge, Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) led round 1 with 601 points in 2013.

In addition to Freikorp's work, some other important articles and pictures were improved during round one, here's a snapshot of a few of them:

You may also wish to know that The Core Contest is running through the month of March. Head there for further details - they even have actual prizes!

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Figureskatingfan (talk · contribs · email), Miyagawa (talk · contribs · email) and Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs · email)

Thanks for your assistance! Miyagawa (talk) on behalf of Wikipedia:WikiCup.

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One last mass message before the pilot.[edit]

Hey Jim. I've got one last message to send out before we get going this Wednesday for the pilot. As soon as you are able, if you could send out the message I've put together here, I would be very appreciative. (Also, I realize I could have been doing this myself seeing as I'm an admin now, but looking at Special:MassMessage, what do you write in for the "Page or category containing list of pages to leave a message on" field? Is it just Wikipedia:Co-op/Mailing list, or does it require [[Wikipedia:Co-op/Mailing list]]?) I, JethroBT drop me a line 11:40, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Sent. Jethro, I didn't realised that you're an admin LOL! Yes, you can send out mails yourself. And no wikilink in that field, just: Wikipedia:Co-op/Mailing list. However, I still like to send out mails on Co-op's behalf. Best, Jim Carter 12:55, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Co-op: Mentor profiles and final pilot prep[edit]

CO-OP Logo 2.png

Hey mentors, two announcements:

  1. You can now make your profile at The Co-op! Please set up your mentor profile here as soon as you are able, as the pilot begins on March 4th. It isn't very involved and should only take a minute. If you need more info about what the different skills mean (e.g. writing, communication), please refer to these descriptions.
  2. Profile creation, invitations, and automated matching of editors, profile creation, that will be coordinated through HostBot and a few gadgets may not be ready for our pilot, and will have to be done manually until they are ready. In preparation for the pilot, please read over these instructions on how we will be manually performing these tasks until the automated components are ready. I, JethroBT drop me a line on behalf of Wikipedia:Co-op.

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This week's article for improvement (week 10, 2015)[edit]

COLLECTIE TROPENMUSEUM Balinese dansers dansen de kètjak TMnr 10004676.jpg

There are many backup dancers accompanying the dances of the main dancer.

Hello, Jim Carter.

The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection:

Backup dancer

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Tech News: 2015-10[edit]

16:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Jane Trahey[edit]

Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:02, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
It got 2,249 views - not bad! 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 02:18, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 11, 2015)[edit]

Food from Turkey (cropped).jpg

Turkish cuisine

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Tech News: 2015-11[edit]

15:18, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Request for CVU training[edit]


I am a WikiPedian and often edit here for fun. I realized that vandalism is a very big deal here, so I also wanted to help them by reverting the bad comments.

I heard read about your health in your talk page. Take your time to heal and then if you can help me as well. Thank a lot! IndiaKomchi 23:40, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

  • Dear Komchi, I'm sorry, I can't help you at the moment. I suggest you to seek assistance from any other mentor rather than waiting for me as I'm not really active nowadays. Anyway, thank you for your interest in dealing with vandalism, I really appreciate it but as I said, get in touch with any other mentor, we have some really kind mentors out there! You might also like to know about this. A suggestion: Please do not use Files or templates like flag of India etc. in your signature, using files in signature is strongly unappreciated. Thanks for understanding Jim Carter 16:00, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Ok!Thanks anyways. Komchi 16:49, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 12, 2015)[edit]

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Tech News: 2015-12[edit]

15:15, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

You know why[edit]

Award misc birthday cake.jpg --MelanieN (talk) 17:24, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

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I dream of horses, Editor of the Week[edit]

Hi Jim Carter. You nominated, seconded, or supported (the nomination of) I dream of horses for Editor of the Week, which was recently awarded. Please offer congratulations to I dream of horses on their talk page. Thank you! --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 22:02, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 13, 2015)[edit]

Mary Read killing her antagonist cph.3a00980.jpg

A antagonist is a character, group of characters, institution, or concept that stands in, or represents, opposition against which the protagonist(s) must contend.

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Previous selections: Dinner • Cuisine

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Tech News: 2015-13[edit]

15:09, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


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Hi there, I read your submission Wikipedi-0-Fi and I find it quite fascinating. Wishing you all the best for it. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 20:19, 26 March 2015 (UTC)