User talk:Jndrline

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Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reasons:

collateral damage

Request handled by: Pilotguy (roger that) 22:39, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


If I don't respond, it is because I keep getting trapped spending a lot of time on Wikipedia. I have had received several promotions and a much expanded role at work, and can't afford to get sucked in. So, anything you've seen me do recently, was because something was on Wikipedia that bothered me, or because I was simply creating stubs and skeletal outlines.

Being a stubber might make people upset because it creates more blanks but, for me, it's a way of putting out there a bookmark for another time, and telling people "hey, this is what I want to see in this spot." My apologies.




Page-Specific[edit]

Template:African American[edit]

Greetings. I removed a few lines from the African-American template, which many of us have commented is too long at the present time. My edit summary was: "In my opinion, the African-Americans in China stub isn't developed enough to be included, and the Africa template isn't technically applicable."

You then reverted my change without an edit summary. Why do you disagree? – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 20:28, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I was looking how to reply, because I forgot to add comment once I noticed, because I forgot to add in the change summary before clicking. Really, I just removed all your comment tags and took out the blank lines (which revealed the hidden item).
But just because it is underdeveloped was not a reason to take it out ... the AA template itself is still underdeveloped ...
The real purpose behind adding it in the first place, though, was to give people an idea what I meant by the category's name (Locations/Populations).  

—  <TALKJNDRLINETALK>    

By the way, thanks for making the template! It was a great idea. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 03:18, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, excellent work on the template. I first saw it today and was going to add it to African American literature but you beat me to it. Thanks.--Alabamaboy 23:39, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
To tell you the truth, it started off as a learning thing, to make sure I read everything that people consider the most notable and major topics. If I put what I knew up, and people thought I was missing something, they'd add. If I thought something was huge, and people took it off, I'd see that I was wrong.
That, and it was an experiment to see how much a template is subject to change. I'm happy to see that it's stayed brief, and pretty much on topic since I "released" it. Few pages have kicked it off. Things that I thought would blow up (like history, and organisations) didn't. I think it took Quadell an hour after my first post to make any changes. I think it'd be interesting to see people that visit and don't make changes.
I said on the Discussion page that I based it off of Template:Jews and Judaism sidebar . . . my first page that I ever edited was Sanhedrin. I remember thinking it was so dramatic when someone put that template on the page. Not knowing anything about templates . . . I thought that my activities on a page that hadn't had many changes had caused someone to work hard and create such an organised piece. A little self-centered, I guess. But, I wanted to do the same for some other newbie Wikipedian.
So, in short: my pleasure.

—  <TALKJNDRLINETALK>     00:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

One more thing. I like how you put the template down at the bottom of the references and notes section of African American literature. In my opinion, you should do this for all uses of the template. This way the template doesn't distract from the lead and start of the article (like it does with Buffalo soldier) but if someone is looking for more info they can easily find it. I don't know if Wikipedia has a style on the use of these templates but most of the articles I've seen with them don't put them at the top.--Alabamaboy 23:59, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I didn't start doing that until later in the game, when it started messing with the format of pages that had pictures on them. I don't want it to go right at the bottom, like the Template:Africa, but I do see how adding it contextually is better in many cases. The more pages it's on, the more exposure, the more likely I'll be able to recruit someone like yourself to do some of the finer tweaks. So, having at the top of a page doesn't hurt that cause.

—  <TALKJNDRLINETALK>     00:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

The template deserves to get exposure. Just FYI, African American literature will be on the front page Aug. 25 (tomorrow, I think) so the template should get some more exposure then.--Alabamaboy 00:21, 23 August 2005 (UTC)


African American lit[edit]

If you have a second, could you check out a discussion I'm involved in at Talk:African American literature. This German guy has an issue with how African American literature is structured b/c the article describes Black literature while following the history and politics of African Americans. To him, bringing history and politics into a literature article is wrong b/c the article should totally focus on art, form, aesthetics. I've already pointed out that Black lit is tied in with the history and experiences of Black people in this country. I also showed that Literature of the United States, English literature, Tamil literature and so on follows the basic sociological and historical framework that this article uses. However, I don't think any of this is going to convince him. I get the feeling that he would rather discuss Black literature without actually having to mention Black people at all. Any support or comments you can give on this would be appreciated.--Alabamaboy 13:07, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking of me. I posted what I think might be the basis for mediation.
Although sie's harsh, I'm not convinced that sie's trolling. It confuses me though, that sie'd be so active on the talk page . . . when I don't see any edits in the history by this person. And, if they read the nomination, and the fact that the article was posted on the Main Page, their questioning the intent of the article seems odd. So, I'm left doubtful either way.
So long as it gets resolved, don't take it hard. I'm more of an editing and function person on the site than a writer. You've done a lot to create the article, and keep it going. Hang in there.

—  <TALKJNDRLINETALK>     21:35, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your help at mediation. I just found out the guy only has 62 edits (mostly minor) and that frustrates me even more. I also feel that I've agreed with almost all of his points, already made some of the related changes and stated my willingness to go along with others, all without him compromising at all. As such, I will not agree to restructuring the article or deleting major parts of it. If this goes to official mediation, I think I will simply drop the article from those I edit. I mean, it doesn't seem fair that one editor who has done so few edits can override the work and critiques by myself and dozens of others, especially of an article that only recently reached FA status. Anyway, thanks again. --Alabamaboy 01:54, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

you can revert[edit]

You don't have to be an admin... see instructions at Wikipedia:How_to_revert_a_page_to_an_earlier_version Tcsetattr 19:49, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Phrased it wrong. Just wanted it to be changed quickly. More edits had been made since the vandalism, and a full reversion (is that appropriate usage?) would have lost these valid edits.  --Jndrline 19:52, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
I don't understand that edit of yours. You said you were removing "hateful vandalism" but you only removed the interwiki to the Taglog Wikipedia, which has been restored. What were you tryng to do? Thanks.--Pharos 20:05, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
I re-added the following, which User 68.197.122.186 removed. I don't know why it isn't showing up as such on the history:
Usage note: The word "Jew" is a noun. Its use as an adjective (e.g. "Jew lawyer") is widely considered offensive; "Jewish" is strongly preferred. Its use as a verb (e.g. "to jew someone") is also considered offensive. Some sources, such as the American Heritage Dictionary, suggest that phrases like "Jewish person" may be offensive if pointedly used to avoid the word "Jew".
--Jndrline 20:13, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Upsherin[edit]

All I could do with that article is read the sources you've listed, and work from that. It's an interesting custom that it probably wouldn't hurt me to learn about, but it's currently outside my ken. Tomer TALK 20:37, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for looking.  --Jndrline 20:39, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Jew/Jewish person[edit]

There are times when using "Jewish person" is merely a matter of style, and other times when it sounds like a circumlocution. This sounded like the latter, so I changed it. No worries.  :-) Tomer TALK 22:22, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Jewish bereavement[edit]

Hey Jndrline! Just a friendly reminder for next time you move a page: make sure to click the "move talk page too?" box when appropriate. I've moved the /draft talk page, but watch out for this in the future. Smile.png. Tomer TALK 22:55, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Hello again on this...we discussed briefly the name of the article some time ago. I've been bold and moved the article to Bereavement in Judaism. Don't hesitate to let me know if this is a problem. Tomertalk 23:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Black Hebrews and Black Hebrew Israelites[edit]

They are not the same topic; please see Talk:Black Hebrew Israelites. Jayjg (talk) 04:50, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:Saving Private Ryan poster.jpg[edit]

It probably is a fair use, actually. Here's why.

When the courts look at whether the use of an image counts as "fair use" or not, they look at four factors:

  1. Purpose and character. Since Wikipedia is a non-profit encyclopedia and used for educational purposes, this test is passed easily. All images on Wikipedia pass this first test.
  2. Nature of the copied work. Since this is a movie poster, it would seem that its value is in being widely available, not in being restricted. (A piece of art in a gallery might have worth based on the fact that so few people have seen it, but this work gains value by people seeing it.) Fair use is easier to claim for advertisements, and a movie poster is in some ways an advertisement for the movie. So in my opinion, it passes this test as well.
  3. Amount and substantiality. This is a small, low-resolution copy of the poster. It would be impossible for someone to reproduce the poster in detail from this jpg. (Big, high-quality images are more difficult to defend as fair use.) So it passes this test.
  4. Effect upon work's value. Including the poster image in an encyclopedia could not make the work less valuable. If anything, it will increase interest in the movie and make the copyright more valuable. So it passes this final test too.

Note also that there is an image tag, {{movieposter}}, that is made for movie poster images. Hope this helps! – Quadell (talk) 02:03, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

Sofer st'm[edit]

Why do you want to have sections on torah, tefillin and mezuzos if they already have their own page? Sofer ST"M also, I wish you would take out the annoying __s, or fill them in. hm, I think I'll do it. Happy Pesach. Epl18 11:58, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Latino template[edit]

Please help with the Latino template. --JuanMuslim 1m 13:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the invite. It looks like a fine start. I appreciate you basing it off of my Template:African American topics sidebar; it's a fine compliment. Please note my response to helping, at the top of this page. My fertile Wiki adding days have passed. I'm mostly a nitpicker now.
My wife is African-American and my original intention with the AA template was to see if anyone could bring up some major historical, cultural or otherwise pertinent information that I didn't already know. In short, I viewed it as a learning experience to go through and organize what I already knew, and have people feed me links to tell me what I should be studying. Perhaps if you approach your template in the same way: what would someone who knew very little about Latin-American history and culture need to know, in order to get a well-grounded understanding? What pages already exist that someone had the bias to write? Go through the lists and see if there is maybe some commonality of subject matter, that could become a group? When I first started the template, I made it bohemouthly long, with no right to be on a page. I then just started posting it everywhere for people to get upset enough to come edit. "Sorry about the long letter, I didn't have the time to write a short one." – Mark Twain Don't start out trying to write a summary; it's self-defeating.
I note from your talk page that there might be some controversy on it's existence. But, noting from your boycott stuff, I see that you're not so adverse to some controversy :)
I know that you didn't ask for preachy advice, you asked for editing assistance. I had extreme success with my first template: Template:African American topics sidebar, but when I edited Template:Jews and Judaism sidebar people came and vandalized it and it got locked down, and then when I created Template:Jewish texts people took it off all the pages where it was posted, and called me a Jew for Jesus because I linked to parallel pages Hebrew bible and Old Testament rather than censoring the latter (though I noted "Christian Perspective," I guess that wasn't good enough). Still not quite sure how I deserved that one. So, templates are tricky. I'd say I only have a 33% success rate.

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TfD nomination of Template:DisputedAssertion[edit]

Template:DisputedAssertion has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Invitatious 00:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Yay! It survived. It deserved to. It's hard to read articles when you have contextual text in your way.

Template:Splitmerge deletion discussion[edit]

Template:Splitmerge has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. —David Levy 00:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I didn't respond because I wasn't that dedicated to it. I really wanted to shortcut work I don't want to do myself of taking a chunk of a page and put it on the appropriate page, reformatting accordingly.

POVassertion[edit]

Isn't this article better suited away from the main encyclopedia namespace? -- Longhair 23:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Oops. Took me a few minutes to figure out what you were talking about. Not an article. A template. Thanks for catching. You were on top of that pretty quickly.

Image:AmericaAfrica.gif listed for deletion[edit]

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:AmericaAfrica.gif, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Wwagner 19:18, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Transcluded sig[edit]

Greetings Jndrline. I noticed that you transclude your signature from User:Jndrline/sig. I would recommed that you transclude it from User:Jndrline/sig.js. By saving your signature as a .js file you effectively block potential vandals from being able to modify it and vandalize all of the pages where you've signed. This is the case because only you and adminstrators have the ability to edit .js files in your user space. Ok, take it easy. (Netscott) 22:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

  • At some point, I have to revisit this; too much time for somthing so trivial. --Jndrline (talk) 17:17, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi[edit]

Hi nice to meet you I'm pediaguy16 so how's Midlothian?--Pediaguy16 19:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Huh?

Template cleanup[edit]

A few templates you created, Template:Jewish texts, Template:Jewish texts/sandbox, and Template:Jewish texts/testing, have been marked for deletion as deprecated and orphaned templates. If, after 14 days, there have been no objections, the templates will be deleted. If you wish to object to their deletion, please list your objections here and feel free to remove the {{deprecated}} tag from the templates. If you feel the deletions are appropriate, no further action is necessary. Thanks for your attention. --MZMcBride 22:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Couldn't delete them myself (could I?). Fine by me. --Jndrline (talk) 17:13, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

File:Splitmerge.gif listed for deletion[edit]

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:Splitmerge.gif, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Skier Dude (talk) 05:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

  • If I remember correctly, I made this to illustrate a point at the time. Fine by me. --Jndrline (talk) 17:16, 6 October 2011 (UTC)