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Hello JoJan, welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to join the community. Drop us a note at Wikipedia:New user log so we can meet you and help you get started. If you need editing help, visit Wikipedia:How to edit a page. For format questions, visit our manual of style. If you have any other questions about the project then check out Wikipedia:Help or add a question to the Newcomers' Village pump. And of course, feel free to talk with me or ask questions on my talk page. Enjoy! --Αλεξ Σ 15:14, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)


Guilfordiayoka.jpg The Gastropod Barnstar
For the enormous amount of good work that you JoJan have put into Wikiproject Gastropods this year, working with Ganeshk to set up our new stubs, and all the work needed to keep our thousands of preexisting stubs up to date in terms of changes, as well as helping WoRMS improve their database, which in turn helps us, I award you this Gastropod Barnstar. You have certainly earned it! Congratulations! All the very best wishes for 2013! Invertzoo (talk) 20:00, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you Susan for this recognition. Indeed, it takes a considerable effort to produce all these contributions, taking into account I also work much in the Commons and in other wikpedias. Even with my slowly diminishing eyesight, I hope to be here for another couple of years. JoJan (talk) 14:18, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Adding ITIS serial numbers.[edit]

Hello JoJan,

I have been rather proactive on gastropod articles lately (mainly Pyramidellidae and Eulimidae), as you probably know already. I just wanted to suggest something. Normally when I modify Pyramidellidae articles, there is a TaxonIDs box located directly below the Taxobox containing the scientific classification and binomial name for the species, I was just wondering, is it acceptable if I add the serial numbers from the Integrated Taxonomic Information System (ITIS)? Usually when I edit these articles I sight this in the 'External links' section...


The example above is from Chrysallida pyttelilla.

I know that itis, ncbi, and eol are empty but I was just thinking about adding serial numbers to the itis external identifiers, just like for WoRMS. I just wanted to know from you if its okay to go ahead and insert these numbers before I proceed with doing this myself. Thanks, and have a spectacular year while in 2013! Solo Toady (talk) 09:39, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Of course, it is allowed to add TaxonIDs, insofar these databases have an article about the species. While you're working on the Pyramidellidae, I advise you to download Dall's book "A Monograph of West American Pyramidellid Mollusks"] and G.W. Tryon's book Manual of Conchology vol. X. There is no copyright on these books and you can use the text and images freely. Mind you however, many species are mentioned under a name that has become a synonym. You have to search the .pdf file by the epithet (under the masculine or feminine form) and see which one matches. The tedious descriptions have to be rephrased into a more readable text. Once you've mastered the knack (and that's not so difficult), everything will go smoothly. And I also wish you a happy New Year and pleasant contributions to wikipedia. JoJan (talk) 14:12, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, these books most certainly demonstrate a knowledgeable insight into the families of gastropods. I stumbled across a paragraph in G.W. Tryon's Manual of Conchology about the small slug-like sea snail, Lamellaria, giving a rather detailed physical description of the observed specimen, this is without a doubt, a very useful source. I will eventually add the ITIS serial numbers into the TaxonIDs box. Thanks. Face-smile.svg Solo Toady (talk) 02:35, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the message about the sea slug[edit]

Thank you for the message which you left on the talk page of my userpage about my edits to the article on the sea slug. This was something which I first heard on the Radio Four programme called Today. I have now put the information back in but added a reference for it. I shall leave you to check whether the reference is OK. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 16:13, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Such an odd insertion could have been a hoax, even if I didn't expect you to add one. Now with the proper reference, it is OK and it is a useful addition to the article. JoJan (talk) 14:20, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Synonymised taxa[edit]

Question, should they be redirects or leave them be? Christopholes (talk) 15:31, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

I only make them a redirect if they already have an article and had to be moved to the accepted name. Making redirects for all synonyms in gastropoda is next to impossible, as there are probably close to 500,000 synonyms. JoJan (talk) 15:36, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Ok, thank you! Christopholes (talk) 15:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Tim Keck[edit]

Hi JoJan,

I'm working on a research project about The Onion. I'm interested in finding biographical information on Tim Keck, one of the co-founders of The Onion and the founder of "The Stranger" Newspaper. His Wikipedia page has been deleted twice, most recently by yourself (in October 2005!). Could you tell me more about why you deleted his page? Who created it? Was the information incorrect? The deletion log reads:

(content was: '{{nn-bio}}Tim Keck was born in a commune in Israel in 1959. His father was the Jewish national welterweight champion 1949 and his mother worked for...')

And I must admit I'm intrigued by such a claim.

Thank you!

Mlnb57 (talk) 06:07, 24 February 2013 (UTC) MLNB57

The original article was created by an IP on 15 September 2005 and contained originally the following text "Tim Keck was born in a commune in Israel in 1959. His father was the Jewish national welterweight champion 1949 and his mother worked for Hebrew Meats." A few minutes later, the same IP changed the content in an attack page with vile words that I won't reproduce. This was then deleted by an other administrator on 16 October 2005. On 22 October 2005 an IP (not the same IP) recreated the article with the following text : "Tim Keck was born in a commune in Israel in 1959. His father was the Jewish national welterweight champion 1949 and his mother worked for Hebrew Meats." There were no references and as such wasn't in accordance with the rules of WP:BIO. It was noted as "non-notable" by an other user. I concurred and deleted the stub.
Does this mean that this person doesn't deserve an article in wikipedia ? No, it means only that the article lacked the minimal standards required by wikipedia. If you wish, you can recreate the article. The basic criteria are: this person has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Once you have written an article with a certain depth of coverage, it then depends if it will pass the "New Pages" control.
If it does, the article will most probably remain in wikipedia. I hope this answer helps. JoJan (talk) 14:26, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Newbie struggling with Commons upload[edit]

Thanks JoJan for your note on User:MichaelDOwen's talk page. He replied with a link to his uploaded image but it is a pdf and it is displaying in a full-page format that I am not familiar with:

He wants to know where to put the requested deletion tag. Invertzoo (talk) 14:11, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I can convert that to jpg. Is that what he wants? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:35, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Anna, but no. The file was in the commons under File:Press Release Metropolis Video Rock from CBGB.pdf. And it has already been deleted by an admin in the commons. And btw, I could read this file on my computer without any problem.
pdf-files don't belong in the commons. It should have been uploaded to en.wikipedia. JoJan (talk) 14:40, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Speedy delete please?[edit]

Hello JoJan, could you please speedy delete two pages I created in error:

and its left over associated talk page, if there is one.

Sorry, I should know better than to edit when I am tired and hungry! Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 23:11, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Another admin has done it already. No problem. JoJan (talk) 07:21, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks anyway! Invertzoo (talk) 14:01, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

RfC File:Regal_Sea_Goddess_Nudibranch.jpg[edit]

I appreciate your comment here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Gastropods#File:Regal_Sea_Goddess_Nudibranch.jpg JKadavoor Jee 02:21, 15 March 2013 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for reading the Signpost article. We don't normally link place names unless diverting to a target article is likely to be useful or relevant: the two place names in question are not sufficiently focused, I believe, to warrant turning them blue. Generally, linking only the most high-value targets is preferable. Tony (talk) 12:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Lists of lists of chemicals[edit]

I was just editing List of common chemicals and reminiscing about the short-lived List of chemicals. From before thorough deletion logs... :-) – SJ + 20:18, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

File:Arundina graminifolia2.jpg missing description details[edit]

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If the information is not provided, the image may eventually be proposed for deletion, a situation which is not desirable, and which can easily be avoided.

If you have any questions, please see Help:Image page. Thank you. Theo's Little Bot (error?) 09:39, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Author added. JoJan (talk) 13:48, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Help with edit history?[edit]

Hello JoJan, I prepared a stub on John McCurry on a subpage of my user page. When I moved it into article space, the whole edit history of my subpage went along with it, but in reality only the edits from March 19th 2013 onward are part of the preparation of that article. Can you somehow maybe delete the parts that are not relevant?

Many thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 23:56, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

As I haven't done this before, I applied the instructions on Wikipedia:Revision deletion. Somehow, my first attempt already failed and I couldn't understand why. As this is a tricky operation that, if improperly applied, could lead to desysopping, I advise you to ask this to someone more experienced in this matter, listed in Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to handle RevisionDelete requests. JoJan (talk) 16:41, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Ok, thanks JoJan. It seems that someone else did it, or maybe your attempt worked anyway. Thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 20:52, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

About Vredesconferentie van Den Haag (Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907)[edit]

Hi JoJan,

I dropped a message on your dutch talk page. Kind regards, Bertux (talk) 09:49, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: Seguenziidae[edit]

Hi JoJan, I have fixed the missing genera/species issue. 113 new pages have been added. Please review. Ganeshk (talk) 23:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll check it shortly. JoJan (talk) 07:24, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Re: Ganeshbot[edit]

Hi JoJan, Sorry, I have been busy in RL. I will try to get some of easy items done. Ganeshk (talk) 00:02, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

It looks like you have already fixed the taxonomy templates. I just had to fix Template:Taxonomy/Circumstella and Template:Taxonomy/Cithna. Ganeshk (talk) 00:56, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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The Barnstar of Diligence is awarded in recognition of a combination of extraordinary scrutiny, precision and community service.

JoJan I don't know what we would do without you! You are the best! Invertzoo (talk) 20:29, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks JoJan (talk) 11:20, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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A couple of questions[edit]

Hello JoJan, thanks so much for all of your excellent work. I wanted to point out that the recent genus articles you created did not automatically show italic title, so I added it. I hope it is OK to do it that way. I am not sure why the title comes out in italics automatically when using the "Species box" format, but not when using the "Automatic taxobox" format. Another odd thing is that in the articles Lophocochlias, Parisanda, and Partubiola, as well as in the subsequent species articles listed here, within the automatic taxobox format, the word "Genus" is not being displayed, and the italic rendering of the genus name is also not working. All good wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 22:20, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out, I hadn't noticed. I've changed the templates by adding the word "genus". It should be OK now. The family Skeneidae is a tough nut to crack. There are only a few studies available and these are sometimes contradictory. As Philip Carpenter noted in 1864 in his article "On the present state of malacological nomenclature" ([1] "At present to teach the science (of taxonomy of the Mollusca) is almost hopeless. To labour in it is fraught to each worker with the unnecessary sacrifice of most valuable time". Concerning Skeneidae, not much has changed apparently. JoJan (talk) 15:50, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Yes you are right! Unfortunately not nearly enough work has been done on most micromollusk families. A malacologist friend of mine has a bumper sticker that says, "So many species, so little time", and I say, "Too many mollusks, not enough malacologists"! Best, Invertzoo (talk) 01:01, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

The two articles Phaeohyphomycosis; Wildlife Disease & Phaeohyphomycosis[edit]

Hello JoJan, I saw you did some work on that new article today, so I went in after you and did a bunch more work -- the students have not touched it for 6 days, so I am thinking maybe their project is over? I also merged the content from the older stub into the new longer article. I wanted to ask you: I have not yet deleted the shorted older stub because I was not sure about turning Phaeohyphomycosis into a redirect, when probably the newer article should have that name, which is probably a lot better than Phaeohyphomycosis; Wildlife Disease. I was not sure if I can redirect the old one and then move the new article to the same name as the old article -- would that create problems or not? Many thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 00:33, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

The best solution is to delete Phaeohyphomycosis as a G6 (technical deletions) and then move Phaeohyphomycosis; Wildlife Disease to Phaeohyphomycosis. And then undelete the original over the top of the one just moved, if one wants to retain the history of the original article Phaeohyphomycosis. However, the new article contains all the content of the original article and the same references. Then I wonder if retaining the history of the original article is really necessary. JoJan (talk) 16:22, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to think this problem through, I could not at all work out what was the best to handle it. I looked and the old stub article does have a surprising amount of edit history, although whether we should work to preserve it, I don't know. In any case, you are the admin JoJan, and so I will leave it to you as to the best way to finish up this merge procedure, if you don't mind. Thanks again, Invertzoo (talk) 22:42, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
I've made the move, retaining the original history. JoJan (talk) 14:55, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks so much JoJan. Invertzoo (talk) 15:30, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

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To my very good Wikipedia friend, I wish you a joyful "winter in the northern hemisphere holiday" or "northern solstice day(s) in the southern hemisphere holiday", whichever of the holiday or holidays you celebrate (all or any)! Invertzoo (talk) 19:35, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year 2014[edit]

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Dear JoJan,

Our vision for Wikipedia is one of beauty, natural symmetry and light.

I wish you a Happy New Year, everything good for your family, your loved ones and yourself, peace and joy for all the people of the world. I also wish a joyful and peaceful expansion for Wikipedia; may our encyclopedia make information and education available, without charge, to everyone in the world.
All the very best from Invertzoo (talk) 19:01, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Deleted Page[edit]

Hi JoJan, Can I get this page content from you?, Please reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Likhary (talkcontribs) 17:22, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

The text was "Zubair Amin, is a Pakistani writer of Children's literature, designer and web analyst. He is considered to be one of the most modern web designer and web analyst of Pakistan. He was born in Multan, in the Punjab, on 28 October, 1988. In the early ages, he become found of books reading, Urdu Magazines and Children's literature.". This is simply not enough for an encyclopedia. It doesn't fit the requirements of Wikipedia:Notability (people). It has no references to independent reliable sources. JoJan (talk) 09:28, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

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The Oath of Brutus[edit]

Hi, you added the painting by the Belgian painter Navez "The Oath of Brutus" to the article of Marcus Junius Brutus the Younger. Are you certain that this picture pertains to Caesar's assassins? Methinks it's rather about the assassin's great ancestor Lucius Junius Brutus who founded the Republic. According to Livius in Ab urbe condita, Brutus' first act after the expulsion of Lucius Tarquinius Superbus was to bring the people to swear an oath never to allow any man again to be king in Rome. -- fdewaele, 15 January 2014, 15:55.

My mistake. You're quite right. I'll change it. JoJan (talk) 15:04, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

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Plastik Funk[edit]

Hello, JoJan. I see you deleted Plastik Funk; could you please restore it because he made the UK charts an hour ago? Thank you.--Launchballer 18:54, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

It has already been restored as I write this. But still it needs a lot of attention to become an encyclopedic article. JoJan (talk) 07:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

JSTOR Survey (and an update)[edit]

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Hello JoJan, in case you didn't see my message on the project talk page, I wanted to ask you: I see that a new ultra-stub has been created for a subgenus of Mitra. Currently it has very little content. Should we try to expand it into a proper article or not? WoRMS does not seem to completely recognize this subgenus, seeing it as an "alternate representation", so maybe we should turn the page into a redirect? Please let me know what you think. Invertzoo (talk) 11:30, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

There is no harm in the existence of this article. However, I made some things clearer by explaining the use of the term "Nebularia". Feel free to add some more. JoJan (talk) 12:33, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks so much JoJan for your excellent work on that tiny stub. Look now and you will see that I added a taxobox and a shell image, and I disambiguated a couple of links, as well as dividing the content into sections. I have asked the Graphics Lab if they can do anything that would improve the image quality, as it has strong flash reflections and too much contrast as well as an "off" color balance, although it might be not possible to fix it very much. Best wishes to you, Invertzoo (talk) 16:03, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I wonder JoJan, did you by any chance check the existing list against the WoRMS list for this subgenus? If not, then I should do that, because the person who created the list created the list simply from those of our articles which had the subgenus Nebularia in them as a red link. He decided to make an article because he found "Nebularia" listed as a suggestion on Wikipedia:Most wanted articles. Invertzoo (talk) 16:32, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
I started to check this out but I stopped after I saw that Thorsson and Salisbury did not recognize some of these species as belonging to the group "Nebularia". It would have taken too much of my precious time to sort this out, especially for a name that is no longer recognized as a taxonomic name but just as a "group". For the same reason, Nebularia should not have a taxobox, as this recognizes the status of subgenus for Nebularia, thus giving a wrong impression to a non-informed reader. I cannot spend more time on the genus Mitra and its so-called subfamilies, as I'm working on the Trochidae (also a difficult nut to crack) and will then moving on to Turbinidae (again more than 500 species). This means, this will keep me busy for the rest of the year. JoJan (talk) 11:55, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes you are right. I tried to edit the article in order to reflect that state of affairs. Invertzoo (talk) 23:57, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hi JoJan. Thanks for moving Cornu aspersum! JonRichfield (talk) 12:17, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

On the contrary, you should be thanked for drawing attention to this problem. JoJan (talk) 13:40, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


Concerning the concerns that you expressed here, about how to keep bot-generated articles up to date, you are quite correct in that this is an issue. There have been major changes in the taxonomy of many groups just during the two years I have been running my bot. But one advantage of bot-generated articles in this respect is that it is possible to update by bot as well. Human-written articles probably need to be updated manually, as the way the taxonomy is described in the text of the articles isn't standardized.

Bot code to go through the ISIS database every now and then and update bot-created articles as needed is on my to-do list. Taxonomic moves (a species reassigned to another genus, a family reassigned to another order, etc) is straightforward to update. Merging and splitting of species is trickier, but should be doable.

A more thorny problem is how to handle taxonomic disagreements, when experts differ on the proper taxonomy. This requires human judgment, and the best a bot can do is to note disagreement when encountered. Lsj (talk) 16:15, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate the immense work you're doing and hope that a bot can take away my objections. As to taxonomic disagreements, I have some experience with this. As I said before, I work mainly on Gastropoda and the authoritative database for this is WoRMS ([2]). Now and then I find a mistake in the database (once there was one that had been around for 150 years - and no one had noticed !) or have some problem with the taxonomy, and then I send an email to WoRMS. In the next few days I then receive an answer on the matter from the top expert in the world. This is one of the things a bot cannot do. The human touch is indispensable. Nevertheless, your bot creates articles and someone willing to fill in the necessary data doens't have to bother anymore with layout. One more thing, have you ever considered using an automatic taxobox (such as in the genus Clanculus). Whenever the taxonomy changes, by changing the template (e.g. when a genus is allocated to another family), all underlying templates are changed automatically as well. Best regards. JoJan (talk) 17:16, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I have considered the automatic taxobox, and it's a really neat idea that I think should be pursued. But I am afraid also that it will lead to articles where the main text and the taxobox are inconsistent, if the taxobox automatically changes bu the text isn't updated. Better idea in the long run probably to base it on wikidata, and get both text taxonomy and taxobox from wikidata calls. Lsj (talk) 18:57, 16 July 2014 (UTC)