User talk:Joe Decker

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Undeletion[edit]

Would you please undelete "The Girls!" page? It was deleted on Sept 4. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Girls!&action=edit&redlink=1

This band is notable because it is the sister of Lydia Loveless and because of a recent death. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whod81 (talkcontribs) 15:27, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi ... are there reliable sources, such as newspapers/magazines, etc., which discuss them in detail? That is actually the basic hurdle of our inclusion (aka "notability") guidelines, if you can point me at them, that might be helpful. Cheers, --j⚛e deckertalk 14:42, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

no problem, there is plenty of press. there were citations on the site. http://www.thegirlsbang.com/?page=press , http://www.columbusalive.com/content/stories/2014/07/24/sensory-overload-the-girls-mourn-the-death-of-a-bandmate-and-take-a-welcome-first-step-back.html, http://www.npr.org/2014/02/09/271517779/first-listen-lydia-loveless-somewhere-else, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whod81 (talkcontribs) 20:33, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

On the face of it, if the discussion closed delete and there is no new coverage since the discussion, it would be inappropriate for me to undelete it, it's my role to determine what the community decides, not to override their discussions. Let me look at it fresh in the morning, and I'll let you know what your options are at that point. --j⚛e deckertalk 06:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Harriet Kelsall[edit]

Hi Joe, please could I request undeletion for Harriet Kelsall. I was unaware sources not online could be cited on Wikipedia but Sionk kindly pointed this out (see below). There are many I can now add. --TJA135 (talk) 12:49, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi TJA, sources don't need to be available online to be cited on Wikipedia. However, you'd need to provide sufficient information for other people to know where to find the information e.g. publication, date, article title, author (see WP:CITEHOW for more detail). It would help the Harriet Kelsall article a great deal if this other coverage (assuming it is about her) was used to build the article. Sionk (talk) 15:56, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, TJA135, can you give me some idea of what sort of sources you have? You don't have to format them all out for me, but just a dump of a couple of the sources that you believe to be reliable, independent, and providing signficant coverage--with the basic sort of info Sionk has said you'd need to provide for the article? That will help me decide whether I can undelete the article, or create a draft version of it. Thanks, please note that it will probably be 24-48 hours before I can respond next. Cheers, --j⚛e deckertalk 15:41, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Joe. Thanks. Here's a few links to look at: She was profiled by the Daily Telegraph (one of the biggest papers in the UK) http://www.hkdevelopment.co.uk/media/media/29862. She contributes as an expert on jewelry for other big papers eg the Daily Mail: http://www.hkdevelopment.co.uk/media/media/30009. She was featured by the top two biggest woman's magazines here in the UK: http://www.hkdevelopment.co.uk/media/media/29952 and http://www.hkjewellery.co.uk/images/press/press_cuttings/good_house_keeping.pdf and by the magazine of one of the UK's biggest retailers: http://www.hkjewellery.co.uk/images/press/press_cuttings/Boots_march_2012.pdf. Also: She was chosen by the Institute of Directors (one of the most respected organisations in the UK) as one of 6 women to have "changed the business world" http://www.iod.com/influencing/press-office/press-releases/institute-of-directors-announces-shortlist-of-inaugural-women-changing-the-business-world-award and the "School for Creative Start ups" list her as a business "titan"(!) - http://www.schoolforcreativestartups.com/titans/harriet-kelsall/ Is that enough to sway you? --TJA135 (talk) 11:19, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi TJA135,
When I said "the sources that you believe to be reliable, independent, and providing signficant coverage", what I meant by "independent" is sources that are at entirely arm's length from the subject. Press releases and pages from the organization itself are not independent. Generally we are looking for newspapers, magazines, and/or books that have gone through a formal editorial process. I'm sorry that our policies can be be a bit difficult to navigate at first.
You may also take a look at User:Joe Decker/IsThisNotable. I'm still working on refining it, but my hope is to provide a more step-by-step (if still not simple) approach to explaining what we need in terms of sources for demonstrating notability. I hope that it will be helpful. Cheers, --j⚛e deckertalk 19:21, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Joseph Janus Article[edit]

Hello, My submission was recently reviewed and denied due to it using work that was copyright. Is there anyway you could tell me which references are copyrighted? I just don't know which citations to take out and not use. Sorry I am new to this. Thank you! LaurenSullygirl (talk) 15:37, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

No problem, the text of your draft overlapped http://about.me/Joseph.Janus quite a bit, with extended identical passages. --j⚛e deckertalk 15:41, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Page on Agnese Nelms Haury[edit]

Hi Joe Thanks for your comments. I have added a lot of in text links and some reference sources. Because her obituary wont be out until this Sundays NYT I cant do that link yet or the link to the web page about the new program (its under news embargo). I can make those links live on Sunday. I hope that makes the page acceptable. We figured people seeing the half page ad about the program and her obituary might google her this weekend and wanted to have a wikipedia page for her. Diana Liverman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dianaliverman (talkcontribs) 22:37, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

No worries, just submit when the sourcing is shored up and another reviewer will be along. You may find that some reviewers have concerns about the use of some types of obituaries as sources--obviously full-article obituaries written by newspaper people from their own sources are generally considered fine, but so many are simply self-publishing by the family or an associated organization, and those wouldn't be okay. Best of luck! --j⚛e deckertalk 00:33, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

23:01:54, 16 September 2014 review of submission by SavageCoco[edit]


Surely the reference to Guinness World Records establishes the subject's notability? Could you be more specific as to what more is needed to establish that this game is well known? Its quite discouraging to get knocked back on your first article submission after spending quite some time on it.

Re "Press releases and such are the primary sources here" - there is only one press release referenced which is used to show evidence of the launch of a sequel game. The entire section on the sequel could probably be removed if necessary, but I did not think the sequel would warrant another article of its own.

SavageCoco (talk) 23:01, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Not by itself, no, but another newspaper/magazine/book article and that would likely be found to meet the requirements. The other sources are not really helpful toward meeting our inclusion criteria.
You may also take a look at User:Joe Decker/IsThisNotable. I'm still working on refining it, but my hope is to provide a more step-by-step (if still not simple) approach to explaining what we need in terms of demonstrating notability. I hope that it will be helpful. --j⚛e deckertalk 00:35, 17 September 2014 (UTC)