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Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories[edit]

Several Obama articles, including Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories, are under probation. Any edit warring on that article will get you blocked. Take your suggest edits to the article's Talk page and get consensus there before making major edits like that. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 01:54, 5 September 2010 (UsC)

There is a consensus on this. I suggest you read the talk pages before posting edits like that.John2510 (talk) 02:12, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Really? Considering the consensus is that the article retain that name, where is the consensus on the talk page to remove the discussion of the article's title? Everard Proudfoot (talk) 02:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
There's no consensus for the article to retain the name (which is a non-existent Phoneomenon) and certainly no consensus regarding the description. John2510 (talk) 02:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Consensus_for_an_edit.3F. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 02:21, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Have you read Q1 of the FAQ at the top of the article's Talk page? Everard Proudfoot (talk) 02:22, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits[edit]

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Thank you Mr. Bot! ;) A senior moment on my part... John2510 (talk) 02:02, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

September, 2010[edit]

Please do not disrupt the Talk:Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories page as you do here.[1] Your participation on that page is tenuous as it is, so it is not a good idea to stir up more trouble. If you have a good faith proposal to improve the article, please go ahead. But in the meanwhile do not oppose other editors' attempts to keep things in order there. Thanks, - Wikidemon (talk)

You gratuitously labeled another editor's edit a "rant." While I don't consider the editor's comments helpful, your label was uncivil and disruptive in and of itself, and likely to breed more disruptive behavior. My participation is "tenuous" only in that you disagree with me a lot. I get that. John2510 (talk) 02:30, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Civility[edit]

Please try to maintain wp:civility and refrain from labeling other editors' comments on talk pages as "rants" as you did here. That kind of incivility tends to breed more disruption than it solves. Also, one man's rant is another man's brilliant point. There are more appropriate and effective ways of dealing with it. Thanks John2510 (talk) 02:40, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

(moved from my talk page). This kind of tit-for-tat warning is neither welcome nor helpful. Please don't make nonsense accusations of incivility in response to my cleaning up the talk page. This article is under probation, and needs to stay on topic. One man's rant is NOT another man's brilliant point. There is absolutely nothing useful or helpful in an IP editor's rant complaining about Wikipedia. The most appropriate way to deal with such comments is to simply delete them, as it has no chance at all of leading to an improvement in the article, and as I mentioned in my original edit summary it was messing up the archive. Instead I took the more modest step of sectioning it off under its own heading. As I said, your participation on the page is tenuous. If you want to continue, please work with other editors instead of stirring up trouble. - Wikidemon (talk) 03:15, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
I agree... and yet you: 1) label the edit a "rant" (rather than deleting it); and then 2) tit-for-tat on my page - while deleting my comments from your own. You clearly have your own view of what POV you want Wikipedia to take - and see benefit in labeling opinions with which you disagree as "conspiracies" or "rants." Threatening my degree of tenuousness is impotent and not appreciated nor supported by Wikipedia policy. If you want to agree in the talk pages, that's fine, but I respectfully submit you should reconsider your warnings - especially when you're living in a big glass house where wp:civility is concerned. If you want to revert the dialog on both pages... that would be fine with me. John2510 (talk)
For the record, he deleted the entire warning thread from his own page, with the summary that it had been "removed to another editor's page," but didn't modify here. John2510 (talk) 04:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

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October 2010[edit]

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Your recent edits[edit]

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Chris Brown (American entertainer) [edit]

Hello, John2510. See Talk:Chris Brown (American entertainer)#Personal Issues & Character: we need a section on this. for the reasons I reverted an edit you made to the Chris Brown (American entertainer) article. Flyer22 (talk) 17:24, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I've come up with a solution that I think you will be okay with, in the Talk:Chris Brown (American singer)#section 1.4 needs to be reWritten : 2008–09: Graffiti album and domestic violence case section. Suggested it right before your latest reply. Flyer22 (talk) 21:40, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Ribbentrop[edit]

Dear John Thank you for your concerns about the Ribbentrop article. I'm almost done with that article. There are things that I added to that article that I was afraid might increase its length than I would I might prefer, but I wanted to put Ribbentrop into some sort of context, so that things might make more sense. I don't like to come across as patronizing, but my basic assumption when writing an article is that the reader does not know much about the subject, which is what brought him or her to here in the first place. I don't have much more to add to the Ribbentrop page, and I hope the readiblity of the article compensates for the length. Often, I find that articles that are really well-written don't seem to drag the reader's patience so much. It's really only the article like the current one on Goring, which is long, disorganized and arguably full of triva like Goring was related to Burckhardt that are annoying long. Thank you for your concerns and if you have any suggestions, please make them to me. Have a wonderful day!--A.S. Brown (talk) 21:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Consensus already discussed re: Obama's race[edit]

Consensus has been reached regarding Mr. Obama's race. Please look through the archives of the talk page to see. The FAQ is there to inform new editors about many of the decisions made by editors regarding several aspects of the article. If you wish to open debate regarding this issue, feel free to do so. Though, I don't think you will get very far... Phearson (talk) 03:38, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Is there some new information about his race? Is is mother actually black? John2510 (talk) 03:44, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
You have already been warned about the probation. Reversion without discussion on a topic that has been extensively discussed on the talk page is unacceptable. This is an official administrative action: you are banned from editing the article Barack Obama. This specifically does not extend to any other page. NW (Talk) 03:53, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Just to clarify, I support NW's action here and I now extend the ban to the talk page of that article. The reasons are manifold; I can best sum that up as:
    • it's been a hot potato in the past, has been discussed to death and decided and is now on probation, yet you insisted on edit-warring on it even knowing that;
    • race and ethnicity of living people are generally pretty sensitive topics anyway; and
    • making edits like you made, showing contempt for consensus of editors, and complaining of censorship when challenged, are all red flags to me. --John (talk) 05:23, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
1. I was never warned of the probation prior to being banned.
2. If race is such a hot potato, then maybe it should not have been addressed. If it was to be addressed, it should have been addressed with particular concern for accuracy. There remains no good faith debate as to President Obama's biracial status. Among other things, cubby-holing him as a single race marginalizes millions of biracial Americans.
3. I expressed no contempt for consensus - I only questioned its existence; I complained of censorship because it's the first time in years of editing that I've been censored by and aministrator - and for a single edit/revert.
Red flag to your little heart's content. John2510 (talk) 05:37, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Pfft, you changed the article WITHOUT consensus. You did question it, but was consensus obtained? No. It was not. Also, for your post after the ban from the talk page was issued:
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Phearson (talk) 06:05, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
P.S. The Warning about the probation is in a redbox near the beginning of the talk page. Phearson (talk) 06:11, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

August 2011[edit]

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Dispute resolution survey[edit]

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I screwed up No Child left Behind Act[edit]

Can u fix it? --Mats33 (talk) 00:19, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

CREW on Tom Corbett[edit]

John2510: Respectfully request your input on talk:Tom Corbett.CFredkin (talk) 01:16, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

John2510: There's now a gang of editors disputing CREW references on pages for Rick Snyder, Nathan Deal, and Pat McCrory. Any support there would be appreciated.CFredkin (talk) 20:53, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Klobuchar[edit]

Respectfully request your input at Talk:Amy KlobucharCFredkin (talk) 21:38, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Rick Snyder[edit]

Greetings. It appears that our friend is back with more CREW edits. You input is requested. Thank you. CFredkin (talk) 21:28, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

January 2014[edit]

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It didn't violate copyright law by any stretch of the imagination, but I've changed it to avoid arguing over it. Life's too short. John2510 (talk) 21:02, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Ad hominem[edit]

Hi, argument by ad hominem will not make your visit to Global warming very smooth. Self reverting such remarks when they are pointed out does win appreciation points. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 07:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

If you look again, I think you'll see that I haven't made any ad hominem arguments. On the contrary, I'm suggesting that the nature of the edits doesn't rise to the level of the editors. John2510 (talk) 17:09, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Massive deletion of content[edit]

Please don't massively delete content from Wikipedia articles, in particular material that has been worked on by many people over the course of many months, as you did here. Instead, engage in constructive conversations with others on how to make improvements to articles. Cwobeel (talk) 02:29, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]

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Civility request[edit]

Hi John, Please edit your comments at TALK:Global warming to redact the personal attacks on other eds. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:22, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea what this guy is talking about, and he certainly doesn't say. Ironically, his post appears to be his own passive-aggressive personal attack on me. I wonder if he even realizes that? John2510 (talk) 03:54, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
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Dougweller (talk) 11:51, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Please desist from making these sort of references (last sentence of this diff) to what a group of active editors will or will not do. It's a subtle sneaky way of not assuming good faith and impugning them with POV without having the chutzpa to just come out and say so to their faces. If you want to propose article text, by all means - give it a shot and work the consensus and DR process. Don't just put out your own partially formed opinions, and then malign everyone else as being unwilling to listen to your reasoned RS-based suggestions. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:29, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
The irony of your personal attacks on me, and lack of assumption of good faith, is apparently lost on you. I don't intend to be lowered to that. However, I think it's reasonable to suggest to a new editor what the consensus has been. On the other hand, we can do it your way. The editor made a proposal. I've suggested a compromise approach. If you want to take a position on his proposed edit, or suggest a different compromise, feel free to suggest it. It seems wasteful to draft specific language until a consensus on a general approach can be reached. John2510 (talk) 19:36, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
You beat me to it. I had a followup thought which is that the purpose of talk pages is not to hold a FORUM, thus floating your own opinions for purposes other than article improvement, i.e. (your words) "for the OP's sake", really isn't appropriate. At the talk page you've suggested some very sweeping general ideas. I have no real problem reporting on Cook's methodology. We agree on that in the abstract. Go ahead and suggest some NPOV article text that would do that. But let's have the rest of the article and RS discussion at the article and/or its talk page so other interested eds can be aware and join in if they wish. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:48, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Again, you're projecting motives on to me that I don't have. "For the OP's sake" was to suggest that I was repeating the argument from other discussions (ones you were part of, but he was not) so that he would have that in the context of discussion to improve the article. John2510 (talk) 19:55, 12 May 2014 (UTC)