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Great job on the Abbeys and Priories of Ireland pages! Where have you been getting the names - ordinance survey maps?

Zoney 22:00, 27 May 2004 (UTC)


Lots of research and travelling! Many are not marked on OS maps so you have to go to old records. Not finished yet. JohnArmagh 09:15, 16 June 2004 (UTC)


Hi. Would Temple Cronan in the Burren qualify for your list? Are you planning to add photos for each place and to fill all the new wiki links you create :)

Fin 19:13, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)


I am investigating all placenames with 'Temple' as this indicates a likely Knights Templar preceptory - though I intend to differentiate between the tradition and the evidence.

I have visited some 400+ foundations throughout the British Isles and northern/central France with a camcorder. If I ever live long enough I would like to convert these into 3-D virtual rendering of the sites. --JohnArmagh 19:31, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)


Contents

Hieroglyphs[edit]

I noticed your recently-added image Image:Ba-n-neter.jpg, and I wondered if you were aware that Wikipedia now has WikiHiero, a facility for constructing Hieroglyphs live. HTH HAND --Phil | Talk 16:10, Jul 26, 2004 (UTC)

Senta.jpg[edit]

Senta.jpg was garbled or empty or some such, so I deleted it. You might want to try re-uploading? Stan 04:14, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)


Kings of Svitjod[edit]

Dear John, you have created a page named kings of Svitjod. On what source do you base this list? It surprises me that I have never heard of a Norwegian kingdom by an old name for Sweden before (see Svitjod).--Wiglaf 17:39, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hosni Mubarak[edit]

I noticed you added the Arabic for Hosni Mubarak's name. Do you know the Arabic script? Quadell (talk) 19:42, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)


Template:No Merge[edit]

An interesting way to respond to my merge requests, but I believe the custom is to use talk pages rather than dueling templates.  :-)
Has there been any discussion about this elsewhere? The two lists in List of leaders of Afghanistan and Heads of Government of Afghanistan seem redundant and overlapping; it's confusing trying to figure out which one serves what purpose. Why do you object to a merge? One would redirect to the other, so there would be no broken links. --Ardonik.talk()* 18:48, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

St. Augustine's Abbey, Canterbury[edit]

Do you plan to add text to that article? Because an article which only consists of a photo isn't much worth it - if you need a place where you can put photos for articles not yet written maybe Wikipedia Commons might be the better place for them. andy 15:31, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Bishops[edit]

Wow! hold your horses. Use Google to look through first to find any You've duplicated Bishop of Nottingham and no doubt several others too. I think the correct title is Bishop of Nottingham rather than List of Bishops of Nottingham. The main list is the one linked to from Bishop of Nottingham, wherever it is. Dunc| 10:50, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

See also[edit]

Hi there, I just wanted to let you know that the accepted standard for a see also section is as below:
==See also==

Dori | Talk 23:20, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

Argentina infobox[edit]

Hi there, when I was creating the Template:Argentina infobox I did see your changes from President into Head of State and Head of Government that you did in the previous table that contained that info, but in Argentina the Head of State and Head of Government are the same person: the President. You might want to check the Cia factbook's Argentina entry and Head of Government. Fernández is the cabinet chief, but hasn't the responsabilities/powers that a Prime minister has. I didn't edit it because it's starting to look like an edit war or something, which isn't the case. --SpiceMan 07:43, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Take a look at this ! Template:Infobox_Countries and this Template_talk:Infobox_Countries ! That makes life somewhat easier. --SpiceMan 11:07, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Blimey - thanks --JohnArmagh 11:10, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Rulers of Ethiopia[edit]

Thanks a lot for the great-looking tables with rulers of Ethiopia (and other countries). Great job, really! Since I'm a table freak myself wanted to ask you one thing: do you create all those great tables by hand or is there a program to do that? [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 10:34, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. Contrary to what you might think, your reply helped me a lot. The words "word macros" are the key here :). Thanks again. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 11:08, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

Join RWNB![edit]

Hello!

I see from your contributions that you are interested in Russian topics. Perhaps you would like to join the new Russian wikipedians' notice board? It is a discussion forum for wikipedians interested in all things Russian. Also, each week we pick an unfinished stub article to improve through collaboration.

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Isn't it about time we got articles on Russia up to standard?

Hope to see you on RWNB!

Seabhcán 12:21, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing[edit]

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

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Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. Ram-Man (comment) (talk)[[]] 13:53, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

Rulers of the Fon state of Danhome[edit]

I think this should be renamed Monarchs of Dahomey for simplicity. Any thoughts? - Xed 18:24, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The reason I chose Rulers as the title was because it has generic connotation, as opposed to Monarch which, although it means sole ruler, is usually applied to Kings/emperors etc. rather than chiefs/princes etc.
I felt that the use of generic terms in the titles would make it easier to determine what it was the listing was about rather than using a plethora of different styles or titles in the heading which would make it difficult to determine the actual status of a given incumbent and compare it with the status of an incumbent in another list. This is why I have gone down the route of dividing the lists into Heads of State, Heads of Government, Colonial Heads and Rulers.
In its widest sense monarch could be also applied to any head of state, but I chose to use the term Head of State for the heads of sovereign or autonomous modern states, reserving Rulers for defunct states or modern tribal states or polities. --JohnArmagh 23:06, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)


My concern wasn't about the generic terms you're using in the articles you've created about african rulers (excellent work by the way), but more about the specific article Rulers of the Fon state of Danhome. The people in the list are almost all Monarchs (in the sense of being Kings and Queens). The wikistyle here would be to have a title with the word Monarch in (as in List of British monarchs, List of Swedish monarchs etc). Secondly, the words "of the Fon state" in the title seem unnecessary. Thirdly, Dahome is generally known as Dahomey. Would you be happy with "List of monarchs of Dahomey" or "List of Dahomean monarchs"? I just want to make thing consistent and simple - Xed 00:31, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Archdiocese vs. Province[edit]

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Beannachtaí Lá Fhéile Phádraig[edit]

Thanks for the greeting! Enjoy yourself tomorrow!

I hope you don't mind, but I created some new headings on your talk page just in order that the table of contents displays up near the top of the page.

zoney talk 10:52, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

...and fight the Good Fight[edit]

Thanks very much for noticing my contributions, John :-) . Hopefully I can find arms for the rest of the Bishops too. Do you know if the RC Bishops have crests/arms? Thanks ♪ Craigy ♫ 08:03, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

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Thank you[edit]

I just wanted to thank you for your quick response on Talk:Kings of East Anglia. When I made that comment, I didn't expect to ever hear back - it's not exactly a high traffic page, nor is it a typical question. Imagine my surprise. :) I mean, sure, you've edited it, and it's probably on your watchlist, but it also lay untouched by you for six months. Good show. PS - What did you mean by "(minuscule having not been developed at the time)"? --Golbez 07:03, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

lots of edits, not an admin[edit]

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microfonts[edit]

Please do not use "small" tags to set text below 100% of the user's default - it makes pages difficult to read, for people with visual disabilities. Thank you. Andy Mabbett 18:25, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Did you get anywhere with this? Andy Mabbett 14:54, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Archbishop of Canterbury[edit]

Hi. You recently did a rewrite of this article's intro §; I just wanted to drop you a line out of courtesy to say that I have since done another rewrite, incorporating many of your revisions but with my own particular spin. I'm sorry if this was in any way stepping on your toes; but I'm really obsessed with refining and refining intro §s & I hope you can approve of my edits. Thanks. Doops | talk 28 June 2005 04:58 (UTC)


Kings of Kent[edit]

Hi, I see you wrote tha above page, I've just written King Arthur (opera) to fill a red link, and in doing so have made another King Oswald of Kent I see from your page he appears not to exist, was the character in the opera fictitious, or is Oswald corruption of the name of one of the known Kings, I was going to do a stub on him, but can't find any information at all. I wondered if you knew anything. Regards Giano | talk 15:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for looking, poor old Ossie will just have to remain in the red for a little longer. Thanks Giano | talk 22:06, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

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High Kings of Ireland[edit]

I've just created Donnchadh, having found it on the Most Wanted Pages list. I was wondering if you might know of any online resources that would help me fill it out (and the other Irish King stubs) a bit?

The Land 12:18, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Sources for La Massana[edit]

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Bamangwato[edit]

Hi there, I've just been using your (really, really fantastic) table of Bamangwato chiefs. I've linked a few of the names to articles lurking under variant spellings, but I'm not sure I've done as you'd like because I don't fully understand the table. Am I right that the large text refers to official style/name, while the smaller text is the commonly used name? And what about the italicised bits (perhaps check sp, as surely shd be Mmaphiri, and possibly Lerraraetsa or other with double-r). Ooh, this list so useful! JackyR 21:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Templars[edit]

Btw, check out Temple Farm in Strood. THe article doesn't have much on it, but in fact all the "temple" names in Strood (Estate, School, Road) are from a Templar estate the house of which still exists amid the warehouses and industry down by the River Medway. Would you like me to feed you stuff about this as I come across it? (I'm doing bits of Medway hist.) JackyR 22:55, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Rulers of Pate -good work, thanks![edit]

Hi, I´m currently working on Lamu Islands, and in that connections I came across Rulers of Pate, which I believe were mainly written by you. Excellent work! Just one thing: do you have any reference of the inf. given? Regards, Huldra 02:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

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Categories in userspace[edit]

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Horse Name of Guma Rulers[edit]

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New article for Barking Abbey[edit]

I have just started Barking Abbey - regards Gordo 09:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

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Spynie Church, Moray[edit]

John, noticed you have an image on the above in List of cathedrals in the United Kingdom. In the interest of accuracy, Spynie Church is unfortunately not on the site of the old cathedral but the stone that was in the old cathedral is indeed in this church. The site of the old cathedral is about 200 metres south of Spynie Castle where a small fragment of the wall is still existent. The stone was transported to the new church. Rgds, --Bill Reid | Talk 17:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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G'Day![edit]

Notice you have a little whinge on your home page about poor use of the English language.... well, at least I can't accuse you of being a WPB, because yer obviously not Pommie, whatever your accent, Mate!

I just rejigged your edits to Cathedral a tiny bit.... and now I'm gunna tellya one of my pet whinges. I can't stand blanky superfluous brackets! Here's a real bewdy! I wonder if you wrote it!

"The word cathedral is derived from the Latin noun "cathedra" (seat or chair), and refers to the presence of the bishop's (or archbishop's) chair or throne. In the ancient world, the chair was the symbol of a teacher (and thus of the bishop's role as teacher), and also of an official presiding as a magistrate (and thus of the bishop's role in governing a diocese)."

I would write those sentences with only the first set of brackets. (seat or chair). I utilise brackets in that sort of way regularly, but I hate finding them around things like "(for example, at Strasbourg)" when "such as Strasbourg" says it equally well. So.....you know what I've done (without even looking)!

Where are you busy being a Christian at? I attend one of the last bastions of Anglicanism in the Sydney Diocese. --Amandajm 11:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello Again![edit]

John, there is a section of that Cathedral article that is just stubs. I suspect you might be the right person to complete those bits. How about it? --Amandajm 11:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry John! can i encourage you to do some more work on that article? --Amandajm 11:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Cathedrals list[edit]

Hi John!

Your list of cathedrals is really good. I've just had a fiddle with it.... basically I've Wikified it by reversing the first two paragraphs so that the defintion now says what it is rather than beginning with what it isn't. And removed the first section heading because it was unnecessary and un-wiki. Plus a few minor tweaks so that it was less conversational.

So I hope you'll be happy with what I've done. Also, I read the discussion page and noticed comments about some buildings predating the CofE... well, regardless of that, the article is about cathedrals that are or were functional. These places that are listed under that heading have that current function within the CofE, so it's nonsense. If you were writing from some other historic standpoint, it would be different.

Good work! Amandajm 09:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

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Image:LitvinenkoGrave.JPG[edit]

Hi John, thank you for the image of Litvinenkos grave. Could you perhaps add some context information. I would like to know on which cemetery in which city this grave is located. Greetings, Longbow4u (talk) 06:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Name change to List of religious houses in Scotland[edit]

Explain please, per your edit summery, why you changed the name of the article Lists of religious houses in Scotland back to Lists of abbeys and priories in Scotland citing (i) convention and (ii) lists specifically exclude hospitals? Could it be perhaps that the conventions are your conventions and the hospitals mention is that you've seen the proposed changes in my user space because why else why would you specifically mention hospitals that do not presently exist in the article? The title that you have now reverted to is not inclusive of religious houses in Scotland and I will change back to the inclusive name. Bill Reid | Talk 19:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Reply posted on Talk --JohnArmagh (talk) 20:40, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Noticed you added to you're original post but I'm watching football so I'll add my reply before you're addendum. You don't own articles and the present list is not inclusive and is miles out of date and no work has been done it for ages. I acknowledge that you did much good work and it will not be lost but it seriously needs updating and the approach being adopted is to develop the article in a logical manner.

Its not in your power to extend any exclusion based on your own set of rules and I personally don't favour the existing article design. I don't agree with your personal standardisation because there is no such thing as standardisation in articles or lists. An article is an article. No I don't want you to stop you're input to the list but the article was going nowhere and it needs to be moved on. Quite honestly, maybe you should consider changing the list titles that you do edit quite vigorously to something like the Scottish article title. I intend now to get the info produced by Deacon and myself (currently on my user space) out into the list as soon as possible. Bill Reid | Talk 20:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


I don't think my tone was appropriate above, sorry about that. The problem with the existing layouts is that they are not inclusive. The titles are misleading referring to abbeys and priories but the lead says that they also include friaries and "other monastic establishments". Yes I had noticed the Scottish list was dormant and that is precisely what prompted me to do something about it. I fail to understand why medieval religious houses should be limited to abbeys and priories when all the other religious houses (such as houses of knight templars, knight hospitillars and the secular collegiate houses) are ignored. I can understand your reluctance to include the others because of the work involved but that shouldn't be a deterring reason. What is being done is to build on your work and to include all medieval religious establishments in Scotland. You can see what is being prepared here [1]. I'm not familiar with the OS's Monastic Britain but if it refers only to establishments that can be plotted on a map then it will list very few of the Scottish places. I have to say that I'm not a fan of standardisation and actually prefer diversity but I may be in a minority there. The list we are working on is different in format from yours and we also use the standard WP footnote system, so maybe they could survive as separate lists. You have also defined the lists as monastic establishments whereas ours includes secular houses so there is overlap; the question is, are there sufficient differences to survive in the longer run? Bill Reid | Talk 09:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you can say that the info regarding the secular houses is not comprehensive. The book Aubrey Gwynn & Richard N. Hadcock, eds. Medieval Religious Houses: England And Wales, rev. ed. Oxford, 1972. would meet your requirements very well. There is also an equivalent for Ireland as indeed there is for Scotland and is my main source but not entirely. In fact I would be very surprised if the info on English and Welsh houses is not at least as good as that available for Scotland. So you don't need to worry about not having comprehensive information on all religious houses. It would mean only a title change to your lists and the new info added. Wikipedia is the winner with all info under one roof. Bill Reid | Talk 17:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry not to get back to you - real life intervened. Personally, I don't think there is a need for a standard format. The table styles and the manner of ordering the information are different (yours is by location whereas ours is by religious order as adopted by the three sister volumes for E&W, I and S) but I'm wondering is that a problem? I don't think there are any published references with enough detail to be of any value for listing almshouses or hermitages; not in Scotland anyway but if you've got info then why not. Bill Reid | Talk 16:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

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List of rulers of Kabul[edit]

I am curious why it ends at 3 October 1901. Have there been no rulers of Kabul since then? Kingturtle (talk) 21:40, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Grammar[edit]

JohnArmagh, I notice that you changed my "different to" to "different from" in two places. I can live with the change, noting that one is my customary manner of expression and the other is somewhat different to it. (If some American had changed it to "different than" I would have reversed it without hesitation.) I'm going to be terribly pedantic here and say that I don't like the change being referred to as a "correction" because it is simply your preferred alternative, and may perhaps be the one in more common use. Amandajm (talk) 15:06, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi John. There's a considerable difference between changing "couldn't have", in which the "have" is a verb and changing the preposition "to" to "from" in "different to". The use of any particular preposition in that mmanner is more custommary than grammmatical. There are certain forms which are usually observed. In this case "different from" appears to be growing in usage. Please don't treat me like an ignoramus, which is what you are doing when you equate this usage which "couldn't of".
On the subject of "St. James's", (likewise Jesus's), The use varies locally, and ought to be respected. In Sydney, St. James' Church is nearly always refereed to in that manner. However, St. Thomas's, North Sydney, is St. Thomas's. Please continue to fix real errors wherever you find them! Amandajm (talk) 23:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for sorting out the Anglican/CofE problem. I'll try to keep it in mind. Amandajm (talk) 13:29, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Cathedral[edit]

I've just made additions to this article. I'm sure it needs editting for grammar, spelling, expression etc, if you would have the time to take a look at it. You might also have some ideas to contribute. Someone with detailed knowledge obviously wrote a lot of the earlier stuff, but didn't bother to reference it. It's always a pain to try to do it later. Amandajm (talk) 05:08, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Punctuation for the Prince of Wales[edit]

Per the changing of Charles' to Charles's: as you are not making any correction, and are instead merely replacing one acceptable style with your preferred altarnative, you should leave the long-standing punctuation mode alone until you have achieved a consensus for making any changes to it, rather than edit war. I've begun a discussion for you at Talk:Charles, Prince of Wales#Possessive punctuation. Cheers. --Miesianiacal (talk) 20:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of rulers of Katanga[edit]

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Possessive form of the last name of Richard Dawkins[edit]

I've reverted your edits to Richard Dawkins after reviewing WP:MOS and Apostrophe. Specifically, I noted the following three things:

  1. Two references that appear in the article use Dawkins' in the titles of the articles: "Richard Dawkins' Follow-Up to God Delusion Sold to Free Press for $3.5 Million" and "Missing link: creationist campaigner has Richard Dawkins' official website banned in Turkey". Per the MOS, we cannot re-render those into the other spelling form.
  2. The Dawkins' spelling is predominant even in the talk page. Accordingly, consensus appears to be to use Dawkins'.
  3. Neither the MOS nor the article on apostrophe usage note a British/American variance in treatment of possessives of names. The difference is noted to be on a writer-by-writer basis. Note that the of two articles I mentioned above, one is published in a US work, and the other in a UK work.

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If the fact that the grammar is simply incorrect does not constitute reason enough then we might as well abandon any pretence to adhere to standards of language

Consensus does not necessarily indicate correctness. It merely indicates perception. If a mistaken perception is allowed to propogate then this can only lead to an umdermining of standards - and the undermining of the high standard to which the English language has attained, following centuries of evolution, must be seen as an anathema to anyone who cares about the language.

There may come a time when it becomes acceptable in encyclopedic articles to render them in text speak. That day is not yet here (and I hope to God that I will not be around to see that tragic time), but the propogation of erroneous or carelessly perceived language usage does nothing to uphold the standard of English, but rather it merely paves the way for the inevitable deterioration of the language which non-adherence to standards will lead.

Any authority whatsoever which considers that the absence of a possessive s is ever acceptable other than where the terminating s in a noun is due solely to the noun being a plural, such authority is wrong, and whatever the authority purports its authority in thereby most certainly undermines its authority in the discipline of the English language - and probably therefore fatally compromises its authority in whatever else that authority claims authority in. --JohnArmagh (talk) 15:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

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The dispute should refer to where Dawkins name came from. Dawkin had a son, that is why the name Dawkins exists, as it is Dawkin's son, though the apostrophe was dropped. What you are suggesting makes sense, unless you realise that Dawkins itself has a possessive clitic, in which case you would be effectively trying to write Dawkin's's.Ninahexan (talk) 04:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Proper nouns per se need not follow grammatic conventions. Hence it is quite acceptable for a place to be called St. James' Park, or for a street to be called St. Johns Street, or a commercial organization to be called Barclays Bank. The origin of Dawkins may well have been Dawkin's son, but the development of the Norse-type contruct (i.e Dawkinsson) pre-dates the introduction of the apostrophe.
Certainly the incorportation of grammatic convention into propoer nouns can cause anomalies, albeit rare: for instance one may refer to the checkout at a particular Sainsbury's store as the Sainsbury's's checkouts, whereas one should technically refer to checkouts at Sainsbury's stores in general as the Sainsbury'ses' checkouts. --JohnArmagh (talk) 18:20, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello[edit]

Hi I'm glad I found your page, what an excellent list of priories. Amazing how many are red-linked. I was working on the Osmund Lewry article, and tried to find out something about Hawkesyard priory, and it turned out there was almost nothing on it. I have commented about this on Wikipedia Review [2]. Previously banned user (talk) 09:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Denny Abbey, Cambridgeshire[edit]

I started editing Denny Abbey today using English Heritage's 2003 guidebook to the site. I soon realised that a huge amount of editing of the article would be required, and not being a historian perhaps I was the wrong person to do it. Would you or someone in the Wikiprojects you are associated with, be interested in buying a copy & then carrying on a re-edit? At £2.99 it's quite cheap to buy.

If anyone has questions I live nearby, and know the Curator well and I'm sure can find answers.--Lidos (talk) 22:31, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

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Lists and copyrights[edit]

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Date formatting[edit]

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Lists of abbeys and priories in England[edit]

You seem to have been duplicating your efforts.

Might I suggest a different approach. Similar to the List of windmills in the United Kingdom, create sub-lists per county if there are a sufficient number of entries to justify a sublist - I used 20 as a base point for a separate windmills by county list. Counties will have to be the modern ones. You can annotate places that have moved from their historic counties by means of a note in the article. See List of windmills in Kent for an example. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

At one time the England page was made by one contributor into virtually just a list of counties with links to the county lists - which really just undermined the subject and purpose of the page, - Not necessarily so, see List of windmills in the Netherlands.
Suggest you create individual county lists where appropriate. Deletion of the duplicated lists can come later. Mjroots (talk) 20:45, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Compare the Netherlands list with List of windmills in Belgium. The Netherlands are all split into sublists per WP:SIZE. Belgium is part split as some areas don't have many windmills, whereas others do. The France list is similar. Mjroots (talk) 19:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
If it's transcluded, why is List of abbeys and priories in Kent a redlink? Mjroots (talk) 19:43, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Redlinks only exist because the article hasn't yet been created. I'm not sure what you mean by what happens when more references are included on a page than the Wiki software can currently cope with. AFAIK, there is no limit to the number of references on an article. Mjroots (talk) 20:03, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Per my post above, see WP:REDLINK, which explains all about redlinks. Mjroots (talk) 11:14, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

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Use of abbreviations on List of monastic houses in Bristol[edit]

Hi, I noticed your edit to List of monastic houses in Bristol in which you replaced full words with abbreviations (eg granted -> gnt). Is there any particular reason for this? My understanding is that it is best to avoid specialist abbreviations which might confuse general readers who stumble onto the page.— Rod talk 19:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

The rationale is that the word, amongst others, is repeated a significant number of times in the Monastic Houses of English counties articles. Because these abbreviations are essentially "specialist" each such article contains an index of abbreviations (by way of a template). (I am currently in the process of going through each county using data from Knowles & Hadcock's Medieval Religious Houses of England & Wales and introducing consistency as I go, as the county articles are also used as transclusions in the article which lists, by county, all monastic houses in England.) JohnArmagh (talk) 21:13, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm aware of the transclusions (I remember helping to set that up, but whether they are still appropriate is another debate), however I would prefer all of the articles to have the English written in full and to get rid of the index of abbreviations on each of the county articles and the England list, to make them more readable for non specialists. I think each county article is likely to get editors and, more importantly, readers, who will not want to consult that table to work out what the different entries mean and are therefore likely to change them to the full words. If not the abbreviations may need to be added at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (abbreviations).— Rod talk 06:53, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
That might well be the case, but the abbreviations are not of a specialist nature - they are of commonly-used often-repeated words, in their commonly-used definitions. The lists are not of a specialist nature, and do not make such extensive reference to specialist information as do the works I am using to source the information - which are replete with unfamiliar abbreviations requiring constant use of the list of abbreviations. In this work, being part of an encyclopaedia, the abbreviations are limited in number, and of non-technical words. It is intended that when I have completed my work there will be little requirement for further editing, and where there is it does not require any more than a basic knowledge of English, and how to use an index of abbreviations in order to make sense of the article as all the relevant information should be contained therein. JohnArmagh (talk) 14:37, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

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Monastic granges[edit]

Hi John. What is the rationale behind including monastic granges in the Template:MonasticHouses Abbreviations&Key England ? There were literally thousands of monastic granges in Britain. Monastic hospitals are excluded, yet they were far less common. A lot of people don't understand the difference between a monastery and a grange and I think lumping them together is unhelpful. If you were to list all the granges, you would not be able find the monasteries in the list. Surely a 'monastic house' implies somewhere which houses a community of monks/nuns/canons (ie. a monastery), not just a manor/farm owned by such a community? Verica Atrebatum (talk) 21:44, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I am currently re-thinking the issue of granges - I intend to make the inclusion on the same basis as that of hospitals and exclude any which did not function at one time as a monastery. I am currently going through each monastic establishment, county by county using Hadcock & Knowles Medieval Religious Houses, which is a very lengthy process. JohnArmagh (talk) 09:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

American and British English differences[edit]

John, I note your addition of the word "generally" to the section on parentheses and brackets. You might care to look at Talk:American and British English differences#Parentheses/brackets where I concur. Being a newbie I was a little hesitant to disagree with established grammarians though! Martin of Sheffield (talk) 13:37, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of List of monastic houses in Greater Manchester[edit]

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Use of abbreviations on List of monastic houses in Somerset[edit]

Hi, I note you have recently changed several words on List of monastic houses in Somerset to abbreviations eg granted to "gnt". As I commented previously on the similar list for Bristol on your talk page above & have commented on the talk page for the Somerset list, I can not understand the rationale for this. In my opinion it makes it more difficult for the casual reader to understand. List of monastic houses in Somerset is a separate and should be understandable in its own right even if it is transcluded into the England list (a system I believe I proposed), and whatever else is done on other articles. I believe the intention of the MOS is to make articles as readable as possible and intend to change the strange abbreviations to English, but wanted to discuss with you first.— Rod talk 18:11, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I didn't think Somerset & Bristol were being singled out - they just happen to be the ones on my watchlist. I still don't understand why you should want to make anyone consult a glossary rather than just reading plain comprehensible English within the description of details of the abbey concerned. What is the advantage of making them take that extra step? Wouldn't it be better to write in English & remove the need for the glossary?— Rod talk 18:30, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Also several of the "historic county locations" for Bristol you have added to the Somerset list are north of the river and therefore in List of monastic houses in Gloucestershire rather than Somerset.— Rod talk 18:41, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
I think we will continue to disagree about the readability of all the abbreviations & I'd like to take it to a more public area for discussion so I will put a message on Talk:List of abbeys and priories in England asking others to comment - It would be great if you could give your rationale there as well. Fine re Somerset v Glos.— Rod talk 18:56, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Have you seen the comments at Talk:List of abbeys and priories in England#Use of abbreviations? The consensus seems to be against using the abbreviations, but I wanted to make sure you had a chance to comment/persuade before I acted on it & replace the abbreviations on the Somerset list.— Rod talk

Thank you for accepting the consensus. I have replaced the abbreviations using find & replace function on the Somerset list & the only problem (which I've spotted) was corruption of the link to dissolution of the monasteries (which I've now fixed). Would you like me to do this for all the counties of England which would then make the main list consistent? Because of the way the transculsion of templates occurs I couldn't see how to edit the table of "abbreviations and key" to remove the right hand table - where is this stored?— Rod talk 20:39, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

On List of monastic houses in Somerset in the entry for Haselbury Priory it says "possibly destroyed in the contests of the barons". Do you know whether this would be either of those at Barons' War?— Rod talk 20:44, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
I have done 5 counties this evening & intend to do more tomorrow - but I'm getting tired & making mistakes so I'm going to stop to sleep. If you spot any problems with those I've done please let me know so I can try to avoid them in future.— Rod talk 22:20, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

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List of monastic houses in Somerset & Bedminster[edit]

John, I've just taken another look at List of monastic houses in Somerset (even though I'm on a wikibreak) & I think Bedminster should probably be in the Bristol list although as there is no location or reference it is difficult to tell.— Rod talk 18:14, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


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St Anthony's Hospital/Monastery, Leith[edit]

Hi, I've come across another entry for the City of Edinburgh in the List of monastic houses in Scotland article. e-Book about the monastery can be found here [3]. I wondered whether you could include it, as I don't want to mess the page up by bad editing! Cheers Brendandh (talk) 12:14, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Derry[edit]

I've posted some references at Talk:Derry that shows both "Doire" and "Daire" are referenced in scholarly sources. Can you take a look and maybe we can get a consensus as to any changes we can make to the article. --HighKing (talk) 20:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Tavistock Abbey[edit]

Recently you re-instated a link/source to Wikimapia in this article. I am asking you to reconsider this, because of

In addition please read - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FAQ#Why_don.27t_you_just_use_Google_Maps.2Fwhoever_for_your_data.3F

Google's terms would appear to state that you can't capture geo-codes from their imaging. WikiMapia which you have sourced to is in effect re-using Google's imaging as a base layer.

A credible alternative source, would be to source to http://ooc.openstreetmap.org/ (Old OS Mapping) and http://os.openstreetmap.org/ which is based on the 'definitive' OS OpenData streetview mapping.

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

If you want to go down this route then count me out of the additional work. I've made my (significant) contribution, so find some other mug. JohnArmagh (talk) 19:47, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Never say anything you might regret later ;) .

This was what I sent in an e-mail to the PastScape's site maintainer's earlier :

"(not for Publication)

To: English Heritage.

Dear Sir/Madam,

I note that that the following article at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monastic_houses_in_Herefordshire (and others like it) reference the Pastcape database extensively. Currently this referencing is in the form of in-line citations.

What I would like to do is to do is add the National Monument Record alongside those citations, as this would help readers of the article and others identify specific resources, relating to those monuments. Another item of data stored in the NMR is the location details of the monuments concerned. Whilst the article concerned has location data it would be desirable to update it with the location given in the NMR (which is assumed to be definitive.).

I am reluctatnt however do this at present, because the Pastscape/NMR dataset held by you is not yet available under Open Government License terms, meaning that the current terms of use for the dataset are not necessarily compatible with the Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike style licensing used at Wikipedia.

By Way of comparsion the US NRHP (National Register of Historic Places) database is (as a work of the US Fedral Government) public domain, and because of this Wikipedia is able to make extensive use of it.

I would strongly urge you to consider changing the terms of use for the NMR records on PastScape to the Open Government License ( with the exception of the pictures, whose copyright is clearly held by an external third party in many cases). This would enable the use of a 'definitive' 'reliable' source to create and update articles in Wikipedia and other projects. This by encouraging interest in the heritage you manage is considered a good thing.

..."

Depending on the reply, it might be possible to get the dataset 'unlocked' Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:20, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Book:Church_Buildings_of_Great_Britan_and_Ireland[edit]

Based on your efforts in creating a considerable amount of effort in making articles on all those church related buildings, I was wondering if you would be willing to add your list articles (and the buildings in them to this Book).

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Docking Priory[edit]

Very interested to share info with you on Docking Priory. Do get in touch via our website page (www.dockingheritage.org.uk/contactus). You seem to have got further in your research than we have! Anthony Maynard, Docking Heritage Group --Anthony Maynard (talk) 09:37, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Victoria County History of Bucks[edit]

Hi,

I'm in the process of transcribing this at Wikisource,

I note a section starting at Page 279, on Church history, and religious houses.

As you are something of a Wikipedia expert, I'd appreciate a second pair of eyes looking over the transcription. It would be even better if you are able to make use of the source material in supporting articles on Wikipedia itself.

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Directions[edit]

John, Bristol Cathedral is not like St Mary's in Sydney. Like thousands of other cathedrals across the world, its orientation is east-west. And like most cathedrals it has what is called (architecturally) a "west front". Cheers!Amandajm (talk) 09:14, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, that's interesting - and indicates a possible issue with Wikipedia's edit logging. The only change I made in my edit was to the opening sentence. Contrary to the edit details shown I did not alter the coordinates in the infobox, nor any other text after the opening sentence. No-one else is using my account. JohnArmagh (talk) 13:29, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
here's the link: [4]. It is a change from west to north. Is someone else using your account?
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I've had another look at that section. I can't see why that information is located where it is, instead of being incorporated into the article. I'll have a fiddle with it. Amandajm (talk) 11:25, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

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A Very Well Deserved Barnstar for all your hard work adding maps to the monasteries pages. After I first created the map for List of monastic houses in Derbyshire a few months ago, the thought of doing it for every other county had never crossed my mind. To create that first map took a lot of time, effort and "fiddling": I can't imagine how much it must have taken to do the other counties. I'm very glad someone has taken up the challenge and thank you for doing such a fantastic job with it: your time and hard work is very much appreciated - Rushton2010 (talk) 20:18, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


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List of monastic houses in West Sussex[edit]

Hi

Someones started messing with the map you created on List of monastic houses in West Sussex. They changed it from having labels next to the red pin points, to having labels at the bottom. Fine in one sense, but the red dots now don't link through to the articles and when you hover over them they don't bring up the name like they used to (which would be very useful with the names now being at the bottom instead of next to them).

Anyway, is there any easy way to fix those two things or should it just be a quicky revert?

--Rushton2010 (talk) 16:46, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - you are right - whilst there is potential I don't think that conceived implementation helps. I've re-saved the old version for the time being - my solution is not ideal, but at least it conforms to the other 30+ lists. JohnArmagh (talk) 20:46, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
It's not "perfect". With some of the sites so close to each other it makes it very difficult to stop the labels overlapping. The other editor's version's only real benefit was that they didn't overlap, but without the labels on the map, it was far harder to interpret. I think it would have been acceptable if the pins still brought up the names when you hovered, but I have no idea how to make it do that.
Your version is far more user-friendly. --Rushton2010 (talk) 23:06, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Frietjes's new offering is a far better solution than the previous. If I have time I propose to implement the same on the other articles - what is your opinion? JohnArmagh (talk) 20:56, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
I think its good. Retains the user friendliness of yours, whilst stopping the maps from taking over completely. --Rushton2010 (talk) 23:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

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Monasteries[edit]

Congratulations and well done rolling out those maps for the monasteries pages. They really are amazing.


Although we don't know each other and our only contact has really been me giving you a barnstar, I was hoping to ask a favour as your are someone obviously familiar with monastic history, and familiar with layouts of monastic articles on wikipedia.
The article for Breadsall Priory in Derbyshire seems to have unfortunately come into the ownership of a user who appears not to be very familiar with those subjects. The user has been doing some very disruptive things - such as removing categories and maintenance tags - but also has been tweeking with cited information to the point of making it incorrect. (eg. changing "were not allowed to own any land other than that which their priory sat upon", to the incorrect "were not allowed to own land" - a subtle difference which could represent many many acres....)

Frankly, being very sort of time at the minute, and so not being able to get on Wikipedia often, the quickest and simplest solution was to revert the disruption (vandalism?) and pick back any "useful" bits of the edits he made, if I had the time. Unfortunately he repeatedly reverted it back to re-do the disruption.
His attacks were few and far between (days and weeks) and so, my shortness of time coming into it again, (and the fact its a pretty unvisited low interest article, really) I never reported him for reverts and disruption. Which means I have come online to find he has actually reported me for undoing his disruption a few days ago.

Again (shortness of time) I won't be around to continue any form of ongoing discussions.... Although I don't actually know you, and we've had no contact or discussion, the knowledge and familiarity you display through the editing I've seen leads me to trust your judgement with monastic related things. So if you at all get the chance, if you could have an impartial look over things, I'd be very grateful.

All the best --Rushton2010 (talk) 01:45, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Breadsall Priory, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Rushton2010_reported_by_User:ERIDU-DREAMING_.28Result:_.29

List of monastic houses[edit]

Hi John, I have spent today re-re-formatting my location tool, now I think it is about 99% bulletproof and works for the whole planet, if you want a copy drop me an email and I will send it to you, there is a link on my user page for this.
With regard to The monastic footer template are these references you have used for your source data or should they be classed as "further reading?"
My intended weekends work, I show below a listing of all current monastic templates;

  1. MonasticFooter
  2. MonasticHouses Abbreviations&Key England
  3. MonasticHouses Abbreviations and Key
  4. MonasticHouses NonChristian Hertfordshire England
  5. MonasticHouses NonChristian IsleOfWight England
  6. MonasticHouses NonChristian London England
  7. MonasticHouses NonChristian Northumberland England
  8. MonasticHouses NonChristian Warwickshire England
  9. MonasticHouses NonChristian WestMidlands England
  10. MonasticHouses NonChristian WestSussex England
  11. Monastic Glossary
  12. Monastic footer
  13. Monastic glossary

A couple are just redirects, which I can attempt to resolve by changing all pages using the redirect to the correct template, the template will then be deleted by the bots in about 7 days or so. The "NonChristian" ones seem as they should be stand alone articles, I see that some (or all?) are transcluded onto various articles, I can amend or create these article to stand alone entries as well over the next 2 or 3 days. Finally as per a previous discussion, I think we should split Abbreviations and Keys and into individual templates for England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. The mapping, pogging and other transclusions in progress we can rest on for a few more days. If there is anything else I can look at or help with, please let me know.The Original Filfi (talk) 02:15, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

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Location map templates - help?[edit]

I see that you created the location map template for Bedford. I'm trying to do the same for Milton Keynes but I haven't been able to find any doc page to tell me how. I wonder if you would be willing to help me (a) to do it or (b) tell me where to find the doc.

  1. I've created a suitable map at File:Location map United Kingdom Milton Keynes.png in Wikicommons
  2. If I try just to barge in and create a template page, I get a message telling me to create a module first.
  3. So (following the example at Preston), I've created Module:Location map/data/United Kingdom Milton Keynes
  4. I'm still not allowed to create the template page. What have I missed?

Thanks in advance --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:31, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks but no need now. User:Dr Greg has pointed out the error of my ways. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 22:33, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
OK - no problem JohnArmagh (talk) 11:36, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Your entry on Monastic Houses in Scotland is a very helpful contribution to an area I have an interest in.. I see, now I have been alerted to "your" work" that I can benefit from some of your sources. I wil link other entries I have written to as many of your entries as I can. Ray Oaks (talk) 08:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi JohnArmagh - just wanted to thank and congratulate you for your "list of monastic Houses in Ireland". Its exceptional and a great reference..Good luck in all projects and life. (User talk:Mervs68) 00:16, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello JohnArmagh sorry to inform you but the coordinates on Lisgoole Abbey - List of monastic houses in County Fermanagh are wrong. These coordinates centre on Trannish Island - upper Lough Erne. The remains of Lisgoole Abbey are just south west of Enniskillen and approx. to these coordinates= | 54°19′29″N 7°37′49″W / 54.324757°N 7.630216°W / 54.324757; -7.630216 (Lisgoole Abbey) also

John I have not changed them as it would be only right for you to check them out first. look forward to hearing from you - all the best - (User talk:Mervs68) 23:28, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok JohnArmagh - got your message regarding above- will change them - thanks (User talk:Mervs68) 19:59, 2 December 2014 (UTC) Took out the above ref as it keeps moving down page.
Hi JohnArmagh - In your List of monastic houses in County Tyrone I have changed Donaghedy monastery to Donaghanie Monastery and changed coordinates. John if you do not agree with this i would not be offended if you revert it and then we include Donaghanie as new. It was after a lot of research that i made the change and i could not find any great reference to the monastic site at Donaghedy - though the Caoide does tally. I could find a lot of references for Donaghanie so i assumed that you were focusing on this site - however i bow to your superior judgement. (User talk:Mervs68) 23:14, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
Got your reply - thanks for the attention (User talk:Mervs68) 12:01, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello John, my apologies for bothering you again but i have done further research into Donaghedy old church location as i felt that those coordinates were not right. On this map [1] you will find the ruins of old Donaghedy church slightly further north. When i went and searched it on google i was really pleased to see a sign stating Donaghedy church - it is the most splendid and apt position -ruins clearly visible - the google coordinates are N54.886082 + W-7.293178 I look forward to hearing from you - (User talk:Mervs68) 13:31, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Please check this out- [2] Thanks - (User talk:Mervs68) 13:56, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks JohnArmagh - its worth it - all the best for now - (User talk:Mervs68) 22:03, 14 December 2014 (UTC)