User talk:JohnCD

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I shall be away, with intermittent or no internet access, until about 16th March.
JohnCD 24 February 2012

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Welcome to my talk page. Click here to leave me a message. If you have come here about a page I deleted, you will probably find the explanation here; if that does not answer your question, click the link just above to leave me a message. Please mention the name of the page, and sign your post with four "tilde" characters ~~~~ so that I know who you are. If I have left a message on your talk page, please reply there; I am watching it. If you leave a message here I will usually reply here, but if my reply contains advice I hope you will find useful, I may place it on your talk page. (Talk page stalkers: you are welcome; if you see no reply here, there is probably one on the other talk page; I have decided to stop making a note here when I reply there). You may E-mail me via the "E-mail this user" link under "Toolbox" in the left-hand sidebar, but you will get a faster response here; I suggest you do not use e-mail unless you need privacy. I will normally reply on your talk page, not by e-mail.

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Truveris page

Hi John,

I just noticed that the Truveris page on Wiki was deleted. I am assuming it was categorized as speedy deletion though it didn't say clearly.

I would like to make a case for its re-instation.

- Truveris is an disruptive technology company backed by well known venture investors and has been written about in various media outlets. - These articles may not have been posted on the Wiki page but wanted to draw your attention to them if Notability was the reason it was deleted. http://www.xconomy.com/new-york/2011/11/01/truveris-seeks-the-truth-in-pharmacy-benefit-claims/ http://www.dailydisruption.com/2011/10/disruptor-of-the-day-trueveris-technology-to-open-the-black-box-of-drug-pricing/ http://finance.yahoo.com/news/truveris-present-ubs-22nd-annual-140000374.html http://www.marketwatch.com/story/truveris-introduces-trubid-to-cut-prescription-drug-costs-2012-01-19

If the reason was not Notability, please do let me know.

Best, Ju — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.74.152.202 (talk) 23:04, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

The issue was indeed notability, but it was not a speedy deletion, it was the result of a deletion discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Truveris. Once deleted at AfD, the article can't just be re-posted: if you like, I will userfy it for you - move it into a sub-page in your user space where you can work on it. Then you would first need to try to convince me, as the administrator who closed the AfD, that you had overcome the reasons for deletion; if I didn't agree, you could appeal to WP:Deletion review. As you can see from the deletion debate, anything based on press releases or company announcements doesn't count for much - the phrase "In its mission to simplify the complex payment process... " recurs - so I am not greatly impressed by your new refs.

Can you find more which are people talking about the company from outside? See WP:CORP and WP:BFAQ. If you would like the page userfied, reply below here while logged in, so that I know your username. JohnCD (talk) 22:56, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Yes, I would like the page userfied and will work on it per your recommendation. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jurhyu (talk • contribs) 14:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Y Done. Advice on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 22:16, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi John,

I have made edits to the page and wanted to point out that Truveris was invited to 2 very prestigious events in the financial/healthcare community. One is the UBS 22nd Annual Global Healthcare Services conference where Truveris was a speaker among many other publicly recognized companies such as Wellpoint, HCA, Weight Watchers, etc. There is notability here in that this company was invited alongside these other major companies to present to a large audience and would be considered in the same league. The other event was hosted by Barclays with a written profile on Truveris as part of their analyst report. This alongside independent articles in Xconomy and the Daily Disruption blog out there should make the case for notability. I hope these satisfy the notability requirements. I know you are very busy and appreciate you re-reviewing this material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.74.152.202 (talk) 14:46, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for delayed response, will get round to this tomorrow. JohnCD (talk) 23:28, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I have looked hard at the changes you made. I don't think the invitations to speak count for much - the UBS list shows Truveris as one of more than 80 companies. Xconomy and Daily Disruption do help, but not to the extent that I am willing to overturn the result of the AfD. However, you do not need to take this as final - you are welcome to take this one to WP:Deletion review to see what the wider community thinks. Read the instructions for that page carefully, provide a link to your draft, explain that you have added refs, and let me know if you need any help filing the DRV. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 23:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Mendocino Music Festival

Thanks for your response to me John. I am wondering if, since all my edits were deleted, you can remove the conflict of interest note? Also, one of the edits that was deleted was a photograph I tried to upload. I now have some email from the photographer and a different photograph, and I wonder if I can at least upload that now? I tried to send the photographer's email to permissions-enwikimedia.org but my email program told me that was not a valid address!! I guess I just don't know how to do any of this correctly!! I do see your point on the edits by the way. And I want to edit the page just to correct some things that are no longer true about the festival. So I am going to do what you suggested, and post the edits on the talk page of the Mendocino Music Festival. May I ask you whether you think it ok for me to list the performers for the 2012 season and the works? I did that because I used the Oregon Shakespeare Festival page as an example, and I saw that they had listed their works for 2012. May I do that do you think, without any superlatives and adjectives??? I really appreciate your help. I am new to all this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mendokitties (talk • contribs) 17:53, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to be slow replying. You missed an @ out of the email address, it should be permissions-en@wikimedia.org. The instructions for what to do are towards the bottom of WP:Donating copyrighted materials. I'm afraid I am going to be away for about three weeks - I suggest you post on the talk page the changes you would like to make, including the suggestion of adding a performers' list, and then leave a message on the talk page of user Orangemike (talk) asking if he thinks it's OK. I suggest him because he has already been involved on this page - he is very hot on shooing away advertisers, but will be helpful if you ask advice and make clear you are trying to obey the COI rules and not promote. JohnCD (talk) 23:18, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Would you consider mentoring/inducting me to Wikipedia

Hi John, I am a very new wiki user and would appreciate some mentoring so that I dont stuff up any edits! I want to update the Freakyclown page, as I found his keynote very informative at a recent conference. Obviously the page is a mess currently and those edits which have been done are lacking in academic rigor, but I feel that there is room for improvement and that the subject matter is of note especially to kids starting out on a career in IT and I am willing to spend some time on this. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colette work (talk • contribs) 09:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 09:48, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of DNA Consciousness

This is a response from John K. Grandy. The deletion of the article on the theory of DNA consciousness has been brought to my attention by a colleague.

I have read these comments and I have few things that I would like to say. First and foremost, I am applauded by the tone of some of these comments, which range from rude to unfounded fringe theories in their own right. Was this supposed to be an intellectual discussion or a feces throwing competition between lower primates? Many of the “experts” state that this theory is nonsense but provide no scientific proof themselves. This is truly disturbing if this is the method in which Wikipedia articles emerge.

Secondly, this is not some fringe theory! I have invested almost eight years of my life researching this. The scientific references are not “camouflage” but rather scientific validation of some of the themes of my theory. In fact I can provide many more. As far as the theory is concerned, it is actually evolving into a science and I have a chapter on DNA consciousness coming out in a book in about a year when the publication and printing phase is completed to prove this.

Third, I read the other tread where my profession is a reason to dispute the validity of the theory. Are you serious? Completely irrelevant! If these so call “wiki experts” did any serious investigation they would know that in addition to being a PA, which is how I make my living, that I also hold a master’s degree. I did cancer research and studied the DNA molecule astutely for many years. I probably know more about DNA than most doctors. Anthropology is gravitating toward genetics in many areas, as is medicine. So it should not be unusual for a PA, MD, or RN discussing DNA. In addition, Albert Einstein worked as a patent officer while working independently on the theory of relativity. This is an example and I am not trying to imply that I am Albert Einstein. I know one of your so called experts will peevishly retort “well you are not Albert Einstein”, but I will save you the trouble. Many people work on other intellectual pursuits that may seem incompatible with their job. As far as writing for a anthropology encyclopedia or other “dubious” journals, these are all peer reviewed and in general are considered more reputable than the Wikipedia free encyclopedia.

Fourth, my colleague put a lot of time into posting this article and waited almost seven months to see the fruits of his labor. Mostly, because he believed in this work and thought it noteworthy for a Wikipedia article and the general public. Ultimately, this is the “thank you” that he received for his hard work.

Finally, this all came about as the author of the “Consciousness” article deleted the link that was made to the “also see section”. What line of royalty did you descend from and who do you think you are? Talk about being an elitist! Do you believe that you are part of the illumanati and solely in charge of the worldwide knowledge? Your article contains views of consciousness that are considered nonsense by many thinkers in the field. For example, many consider dualism and the OrchOR unsustainable. However, that information is vital to anyone who is researching these theories.

The fact of the matter is that DNA consciousness is not some new fringe theory and has been around for almost 8 years. It has been mentioned in some newer articles. I have also done presentations at many conferences in the USA and Europe, and received some good feedback. There are those who are unconvinced, but that is the point of a theory. There are many theories on Wikipedia that are no longer accepted but it is important to have that information available for research. Because I have been the only one to write articles about this it is exceedingly hard to find information on it and this is exactly why you should not delete the article! It should be put back up and you can put things on it that say “references are needed” or “other references are needed”. I have seen these on other Wikipedia article “please help improve this article”. I think this topic is entitled to the same process. In short, I believe this topic is entitled to be treated fairly.

I would also like to add that I have made donations to wikipedia in the past.

Mood Disorder NOS 296.90 (talk) 18:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Mood Disorder, I'm sorry, but you're barking up the wrong tree. JohnCD is the administrator who deleted the article, but he did so on the basis of a very clear consensus at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/DNA_consciousness, a discussion where not a single editor voted to keep the article. I won't go into the merits of the article itself, but such decisions are community decisions, and the community spoke clearly and said "delete" unanimously. There is recourse, if you wish to seek that, at Wikipedia:Deletion review--but I can't say your case stands much of a chance there since the closing administrator clearly made the right decision based on the discussion. Thank you, and good luck. Drmies (talk) 19:00, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Drmies, an excellent summary. Dr Grandy, to explain in a little more detail, the way these things work is that any user can nominate a page for deletion, which starts a "deletion debate" normally lasting seven days, during which any user can express an opinion. At the end of that time, an uninvolved administrator reads over the arguments and decides whether there is a consensus to delete. That decision is based on the arguments put forward in terms of Wikipedia's policies, rather than just a count of heads; sometimes it is a difficult balance to make, but in this case there was complete unanimity that the article did not meet Wikipedia's inclusion standards. A number of policies and guidelines were linked from the debate, but the principal ones were the WP:General notability guideline and WP:No original research.

There is a tradition of fairly free comment, but I apologise for the tone of some of the remarks made during the debate.

As Drmies says, you can challenge the decision, if you wish, at WP:Deletion review. There you would need to argue either that I interpreted the consensus of the debate wrongly, or that there is new information which was not available during the debate.

Regarding your last point, we are grateful for your donations, but I am sure you would not expect Wikipedia to allow them to influence editorial decisions about content.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 23:56, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

One extra comment: you wrote: "Because I have been the only one to write articles about this it is exceedingly hard to find information on it and this is exactly why you should not delete the article!" In fact that is exactly why we should delete it under the Wikipedia:No original research policy, which says:

"If no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article about it. If you discover something new, Wikipedia is not the place to premiere such a discovery."

JohnCD (talk) 11:22, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

I'm re-examining my deletion criteria. Thanks for being objective.

ProfPolySci45 (talk) 08:19, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Haven Herefords

I've taken Haven Herefords as far as I can with my limited, non-US version of GBooks etc. - Sitush (talk) 09:40, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Well done - I'm about to go away, I'll have another look when I get back. If it were cut back to what's verifiable, I'm not sure it would make a proper article - maybe a redirect to a section in Hereford (cattle)? I don't know where to set about getting more information, there is evidently lot of OR in what the original author wrote. JohnCD (talk) 22:56, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Your essay

Your essay, at User:JohnCD/Not a noticeboard, has some meat to it. Do you think you could expand on it and possibly publish it as an op ed in the Signpost? Just a suggestion =). Cheers, ResMar 02:44, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I wrote that because I was having the same conversation with new users so often. It was intended to be a formal WP essay, but I have never quite felt I have got it right. It's not really addressed to the Signpost audience; what I wouldn't mind writing for them would be an expansion of the idea I put forward here about being less welcoming, in the sense of making clearer at account creation time that WP is not a social networking site or a free advertising noticeboard. The essay could perhaps be appended to that as an example of what potential editors ought to understand, though it's too long to be compulsory reading. Unfortunately I'm just about to go away for three weeks - I'll think about it and get back to you. JohnCD (talk) 22:52, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Alright, see you then I suppose. ResMar 22:22, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Leandro Leviste

Leandro Leviste, which you nominated for deletion ages ago, has been recreated by the same user. I think your original rationale still holds. CMD (talk) 15:07, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

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JohnCD 24 February 2012

(Talk page stalkers: If necessary, please move this box down to the bottom of the page - thanks! JohnCD)

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Cracked Actors deletion

Hi John i have just found out that my page "Cracked Actors" was deleted as i'm the drummer in that band and everything i have said in the article is from my time in the band, can i ask why?

i understand that there is a mention of a punk band from birmingham "cracked actors" but they were short lived and where split a long time before our founding members thought of using the name for our band.....

As we have been going as a band from 1999 and are still going strong, i wished to start an article to show our history as a band on wiki.

can you suggest how i can get our band on here, as i have lots of stories to tell....

tim Johnson (Tim bali) cracked actors — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tym1962 (talk • contribs) 09:41, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Educational Project

Hi, John. Last year, when I was doing a university project in my editing class, you posted some helpful links on my talk page. I just wanted to thank you for that and let you know that my class is doing another Wikipedia project again this year. If you have any hints or advice for getting Wikipedians to stop in and check on what my students are doing in the next few weeks, please feel free to drop me a line. Best wishes!--Mportolano (talk) 15:36, 8 March 2012 (UTC)