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Delete both Bidhu Bhusan Das and Prabhat Nalini Das[edit]

Dear John:

I'm not going to contest you. Professor Bidhu Bhusan Das was one of India's most venerated academics. Both of them taught across the country, were educational administrators with high profile posts and were legends before the internet came of age, and before articles went on line. In their time, they were mentioned every day, in both the national and local media. Both of them have taught two chief Justices and other justices of India's Supreme Court, cabinet ministers, chief ministers of India's provinces, writers, celebrated poets, administrators, scientists, artists, intellectuals and other legends: Considering the flotsam that have Wikipedia pages, I find it supremely ironical that you would not merely allude to deletion, but "speedy deletion" of two of India's most outstanding public intellectuals. Do refer to this article in The Hindu on Prof. Bidhu Bhusan Das: Dr. Shashi Tharoor is former Under Secretary General of the UN, a former minister, and an internationally known diplomat, leader and author and spoke in the most glowing terms about Prof. Bidhu Bhusan Das. Here's an entry on Bidhu Bhusan Das in the Library of Congress:

Having said that, I'll say I find your tone rather offensive, and this entire matter distasteful. It seems to be in the manner of a witch hunt. Please delete these immediately. Prof. Prabhat Nalini Das, (please see this article in a leading daily on her in The Telegraph: I know, would ask that you delete the page on her immediately. Her real life reputation is way ahead of Wikipedia - there are, literally, millions of people who know her just as they know Prof. Bidhu Bhusan Das.

Zachary5050 (talk) 15:39, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Delete both Bidhu Bhusan Das and Prabhat Nalini Das immediately, please[edit]

To give you a little perspective, Dr. Shashi Tharoor, who delivered the memorial lecture on Bidhu Bhusan Das, and would not stop praise of a legendary personality, was a candidate for UN Secretary General:

Please delete both pages ASAP. I do no justice to their impeccable - and celebrated - life's work by having deletion notices on their bios put up on Wikipedia!!!

Zachary5050 (talk) 15:58, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

  • I have replied on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 16:47, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Cutest Penguin's page[edit]

Dear John:

I am a native speaker of English. So was Prof. Bidhu Bhusan Das; and so is Prof. Prabhat Nalini Das. Prof. Bidhu Bhusan Das studied at Harvard, Columbia and the most sought-after of all Oxford colleges, Christ Church. At Christ Church, amongst others, Nobel laureate W. H. Auden taught him poetry, J.R.R. Tolkien taught him medieval English literature, and logical positivist, A. J. Ayer, taught him philosophy. That is only the beginning.

How supremely ironical that someone with the name "Cutest Penguin" should sit in judgement over him. And, forgive me, but where on earth is Indraprastha University???

I have corrected Cutest Penguin's page - it is teeming with numerous and horrendous grammatical (in bold) and punctuation errors (P). This is no native speaker of English - he is not a speaker of English at all!

It behoves Wikipedia to adhere to minimal benchmarks of linguistic correctness while nominating "editors". Otherwise, your efforts end up not merely as an exercise in futility; sadly, it ends up as farce.

I wish you well, but please maintain quality control.

Zachary5050 (talk) 17:17, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


Hey! there, this is Cutest Penguin (pen name). I'm a (insert) native resident of India and most of my contents and articles will be/are about India and Indian personalities. Your suggestions will be appreciated on my Talk Page! Personal life I personally believe that the true identity should not be enclosed since this could be risky. I remember some one who really made my user-page horrible by adding undesirable contents and images. But I(insert) would like to say one thing that, Wikipedia should bring some programmes at (missing article) University and school level so that young mind can be a part of Wikipedia foundation. Once (P)' while addressing a educational seminar in a public school near New Delhi.(P)'I questioned one of very young mind, do he uses Internet? He replied-(P) "Yes, I do use Google, MiniC**p and Wikipedia". (P)Subscript textIn response to him (P) I questioned, what is Wikipedia? He answered,(P) "it is a website where any one can edit" (P) adding (P) "I edited once but someone deleted and send me very dangerous messages, something like your IP will be blocked". (P) With this experience I would like to urge Wikipedia and other editors to be not only strict but humble as well while posting any warning messages. Editing History

Kamala Nehru with her Husband and daughter Indira Gandhi As a unregistered user I made several minor and major edits on Wikipedia, but while editing a semi-protected article I was advised by Wikipedia to register myself in order to make contribution under semi-protected article (P) so on 5th June 2014 I registered myself and became one of thousands of volunteer Wikipedian. After contributing my very first own article about VC of GGSIPU, Prof. Anil Kumar Tyagi I became addicted to Wikipedia and made several contribution on Wikipedia. One of surprising thing (!) I found on Wikipedia is the copyright policy, there is no doubt it is very essential to deal with legal issues but some time I found many editors making fun of it. One such incident I found about Kamala Nehru College one of reputed college in Delhi, which was deleted in 2008 as per CSD G11 and when I nominated Vivekananda Institute of Professional Studies for AfD it got challenged stating that a institutional organization is exception case and cannot be deleted since it offers recognized degree. After studying the Wikipedia policy for notability and verifiability I withdrew my AfD request and improved the article to meet the Wikipedia standards and maybe that the reason I have kept it in my improved and expend list of articles.

You got the article but the talk page is still there[edit]

Hello J. You nuked that article (and blocked the editor) created by Mujeebmurda (talk · contribs) but the wikiproject banners that they put on the talk page are still there. Thanks for your efforts in dealing with this. MarnetteD|Talk 17:55, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Oops you got it while I was typing. Nice work. Thanks for your time. MarnetteD|Talk 17:56, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

proposed improvement of two pages[edit]


Please tell me how I could improve the pages on Prabhat Nalini Das and Bidhu Bhusan Das.I have access to some - a few - significant articles from mainstream newspapers, but, as I mentioned earlier, they were famous and venerated before the internet came of age.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zachary5050 (talkcontribs) 20:28, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Zachary5050 (talk) 20:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

@Zachary5050: I apologise for my delay in replying. The important thing is to find references that confirm what the articles say. Published print sources such as newspapers are acceptable: see WP:Citing sources#Newspaper articles for the information needed. I have placed a message at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics#Help requested with referencing which I hope will bring advice and assistance. JohnCD (talk) 22:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Friedrich Count of Luxburg[edit]

hello john, want to know what is the reason for the nominaciondel article Friedrich Count of Luxburg if this article has record of authority from the school library Deutsche Nationalbibliothek (DNB) and endorsed by WorldCat - OCLC are valid reasons for it is in the encyclopedic school library, taking intoaccount is a public person and that the content of the article is correct and does not violate Wikipedia policies quitarce should consider the nomination for the article to be deleted.--Von Luxburg (talk) 16:59, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

@Von Luxburg: As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is selective about subjects for articles. The test for inclusion is called Wikipedia:Notability, and looks for evidence of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". The DNB/OCLC references show that the Count exists, but they do not constitute significant coverage.
You are welcome to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Friedrich Count of Luxburg, but please read WP:DISCUSSAFD first, and do not again remove the AfD notice from the top of the article - that will not stop the discussion.
Your username indicates that you may be Count von Luxburg, or connected with him. In that case, please read the Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. JohnCD (talk) 17:39, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi john, I could explain what the subject on which you rely to request the deletion of Article Friedrich Count of Luxburg, if you meet the canons of wikipedia and have encyclopedic and sufficient value references as well as a tab control BND and WorldCat and understand that these are reliable sources that this person exists but implies that being in a witch hunt because they give a reason for the postulation of the article for deletion--Dbianchir (talk) 19:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
@Dbianchir: please read my reply to user Von Luxburg (talk) just above. To repeat: it is not enough that the person exists, because Wikipedia is not a listing directory like LinkedIn or Facebook. To have an article requires evidence of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources to establish Wikipedia:Notability. JohnCD (talk) 19:53, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi john, I have no relationship with the person of the article, or perhaps all apples must come from the same tree or washington all are the same, and only edited or contributed to improve in some aspects the article.--Von Luxburg (talk) 19:55, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Then that is OK. You will understand that your choice of username made a connection seem likely. JohnCD (talk) 22:08, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
dear user, Friedrich Count of Luxburg is the current Earl of Luxburg, like the noble families of europas is Luxburg current head of the family; is a well-known public figures and there are sources that support this person is also known acts of altruism towards the needy population from Latin America. through this foundation that directs to helped people in Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador and Peru which have been affected by natural disasters or armed comflictos displacement. the article was edited from a neutral point of view and following the canons of wikipedia.--Dbianchir (talk) 20:53, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Dbianchir: it is no good just saying that, how can you prove it? Wikipedia:Verifiability: "any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source." If he is a well-known public figure and has known acts of altruism, please add to the article references to reliable, published sources which discuss him and his acts. "Reliable" excludes blogs, Youtube, places where anyone can write anything; "independent" excludes his own websites and anything based on press releases.

All that the present references in the article show is that he wrote this short paper and that his foundation has a website. That is not enough.

I have searched like this:

Find sources: "Friedrich von Luxburg" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images

and I do not find anything relevant. Sources do not have to be in English, but they must be published, not private material like family archives, so that in principle a reader can check what the article says, and they need to be about him, not his family.

You do not need to convince me: you need to add to the article references which establish WP:Notability, so as to convince people who will comment at the deletion discussion. The discussion will continue for a week, and you are welcome to comment there. The previous discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Friedrich Ulrich Count of Luxburg will show you what form the discussion may take. At the end of a week, an uninvolved administrator will decide what to do, based on the arguments presented in terms of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, not on a count of heads. You are welcome to comment there, but should read WP:DISCUSSAFD first. JohnCD (talk) 22:08, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

john what you just told me is to place the references of press releases and blog talk and relate to Friedrich Ulrich Count of Luxburg with social work, this would be enough to give grounds for more than eliminated--Dbianchir (talk) 15:49, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
No. Anything that helps to verify what the article says is of some use, but blogs and press releases will not be enough. As I said above, blogs are not reliable sources (because anyone can write anything in a blog, and there is no editorial check) and press releases are not independent. This is explained at WP:General notability guideline. There is a Spanish version of that at es:Wikipedia:Artículos sin relevancia aparente#Pautas generales de relevancia. JohnCD (talk) 16:26, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
would then place the press releases or if the newspaper articles, these publications are physical and not digital.--Dbianchir (talk) 16:53, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, you can use a newspaper article as a reference even if it is not online. You need to give the name of the paper, the date of the issue, the title of the article, and if possible the author's name and the page number. See WP:Citing sources#Newspaper articles. JohnCD (talk) 21:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
hello john, thanks for your explanation'm looking for sources, here I leave two links,3560956, Dbianchir (talk) 14:53, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
The first is not much use, because it is all about the castle and does not even mention the Count's name; the other is better. You do not have to convince me: you have to improve the article with references so that the people who contribute to the deletion discussion will think it should be kept. JohnCD (talk) 21:44, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
hello john, This is an article where the Count makes a donation of toys to the children of the central hospital in Maracaibo Venezuela Moreno, Carlos Eduardo (2006). "Una Navidad Feliz Para Los Ninos del Hospital Central". Mi Diario La Voz Del Zulia.  --Dbianchir (talk) 17:01, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi john, I need your help to uncheck elimination of article as Yopie is waging a campaign smear my view towards me, towards the article and to the people who oppose the deletion of the article as such, if necessary to amend article I want to know if I have your help. --Dbianchir (talk) 20:38, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
@Dbianchir: Yopie is entitled to edit the article, as is everyone else. As far as I can see, he has only removed references which were not actually about the Count. It is also reasonable, when a new SPA appears to defend the article, to ask whether there is a connection. The administrator who closes the deletion discussion will be able to see the history and make his or her own decision. JohnCD (talk) 22:17, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
hello john, improved the same and included most reliable sources on the reputation of Friedrich Count of Luxburg but the article was deleted, serious kind enough to guide me or help me to prepare this article to not be deleted again or else I will sary the research done that and post it to your poque could be that my knowledge of wp are not sufientes for the publication; I thanks for reading this post and I hope your grateful response.--Dbianchir (talk) 14:46, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
@Dbianchir: my best advice to you is: give up. You have tried very hard, but you have not convinced any established Wikipedia user that the Count is notable in Wikipedia's sense. In my opinion, any further effort would be "flogging a dead horse".
I looked at your recent additions to the article, but material about his mother, grandfather, great-uncle etc are absolutely irrelevant to the question of his notability, and long lists of catalogue entries from the DNB do not help either - read WP:Bombardment.
If you are determined to go on trying, you should ask the adminstrator who closed the AfD, user Deor (talk), whether he will "userfy" the article for you - move it into a sub-page in your user space where you can work on it. If you do, I advise you to strip out all the material about relatives, and all the references which do not say anything significant about the Count himself. Read WP:Notability (summary) for another explanation of what is looked for.
If the page is userfied for you, you should not post it to the main encyclopedia again without agreement from Deor as the deleting administrator or, if Deor does not agree, without taking it to WP:Deletion review. JohnCD (talk) 16:11, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
@Dbianchir: another relevant essay is Wikipedia:No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. JohnCD (talk) 20:09, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
hello john, thanks for your explanation was what I expected to solve the problems of visibility and consegir two books and 15 articles of the count in his performances as a public person but the only drawback I see is that they are in Spanish this would be inconvenient for the article is my question--Dbianchir (talk) 14:45, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, John. Dbianchir has been leaving similar messages on my talk page. I'm in theory willing to userfy the article for him to work on, but I can't read Spanish very well, so I don't feel competent to review his supposed Venezuelan sources and advise him on the possibility of any rewrite's satisfying the notability guidelines. As a rather new admin, I'm probably not as familiar with protection policy as I should be; would it violate policy for me to userfy the article (which has already been deleted twice, under different titles, via AfD) and then move-protect the userspace draft so that it couldn't be moved back to article space without the approval of an admin—preferably one who understands Spanish? I don't want to seem harsh to Dbianchir; but I also don't want to have editors wasting time on dealing with a third creation of the article (if the person's notability can't be established), and I don't want to encourage Dbianchir to waste his time on trying to amend an article that will never be acceptable. Deor (talk) 16:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Article Regarding Adilson Bitta Lima Removed[edit]

Hello JohnCD,

I'm writing in response to the deletion of the Adilson "Bitta" Lima's page (

I am a student of his Brazilian Jiu Jitsu lineage (my 5th degree black belt instructor is Bitta's first black belt) and can confirm he is a legit martial artist. This can be verified through countless YouTube videos, old Brazilian newspaper articles, magazine articles, old photographs with Helio Gracie (the founder of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu), through references from Brazilian Jiu Jitsu legends (e.g., Renzo Gracie, himself) and the IBJJF (International Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Federation).

Please let me know how to start the process of reinstating his page.

Thank you,

Iambrodybjj (talk) 04:53, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

@Iambrodybjj: as this article was deleted after a deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adilson Lima, it cannot simply be restored. I have moved it to a sub-page in your user space at User:Iambrodybjj/Adilson Lima where you can work on it. What it needs is better references to show how he meets Wikipedia's WP:Notability standard, which looks for "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." For MMA fighters, there is a more guidance at WP:MMANOT. I will put some links on your user talk page with general advice. You may be able to get help by posting a request on the talk page of WP:WikiProject Mixed martial arts, a group of users who are interested in this subject.
Once you have improved the article, let me know and I will decide what to do next; probably I will refer it to WP:Deletion review to see whether there is agreement to restore it to the main encyclopedia. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:37, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Please reinstate Adilson Lima's wikipedia page[edit]


I am writing regarding a deleted page on Adilson 'Bitta' Lima, who had a wikipedia page before it was deleted in February of this year. Here is the link

What was the reason for the delete? Was it just the MMA record issue? Adilson Lima has also had a storied BJJ career including recent wins in the Pan American Games, and World Championships. Links to just a few of his notable wins are (do a search for Adilson Lima and you'll see him in the Super Heavy Weight Black Belts) given in the ref section. here,here, and here.

Adilson Lima has been a substantial person in the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu community for the better part of 30 years. Deleting his page because he did not compete in a 'top tier' mixed martial arts promotion seems like overkill to me. It ignores the well-sourced information available on him with respect to the BJJ community and the important role that he has in teaching and training current top competitors.

On top of that, his MMA competitions were done in the mid-1990's before the UFC became the established organization it is today. Obviously, back in those days the other 'top tier' MMA organizations did not even exist. Here is a page from, a well respected website that tracks confirmed professional MMA records on Adilson Lima:

Finally, on the issue of notability of championships. The International Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Federation is the leading global organization that runs tournaments and does belt credentialing for the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu community. The three tournaments I sourced above, which Adilson Lima won, are all IBJJF tournaments. If that is not notable, then I suggest that you remove Morihei Ueshiba's Wikipedia page

as this person, by Peter Rehse's own use of the notability criteria, do not apply to the very person who founded his own martial art of Aikido. (talk) 06:31, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

See the reply to Iambrodybjj (talk) just above this. I have moved the article into his user-space at User:Iambrodybjj/Adilson Lima, and you are very welcome to help improve it there. See WP:Your first article for general advice, and WP:Notability and WP:MMANOT. JohnCD (talk) 21:41, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

undeletion request for Anamika Mishra wikipedia page[edit]

Here is the link of sakaal times newspaper link for Anamika Mishra's Latest Interview .This clearly proves that Anamika Mishra is a notable and well known Indian author. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:22, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Clicking on the "redlink" Anamika Mishra shows the deletion log. Because the page was repeatedly re-created, it has been "salted" - protected against creation - by administrator DangerousPanda (talk), so you should make your request to him. JohnCD (talk) 21:10, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Edited pages[edit]


Thank you for editing both Prabhat Nalini Das and Bidhu Bhusan Das. The pages are wonderful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zachary5050 (talkcontribs) 10:15, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

undeletion request[edit]

Hello, Iam Naresh Poonapalli My userpage was MfD nomination in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Naresh Kumar Raja. Sorry, I'm trying to correct this. Naresh Poonapalli (talk) 13:15, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

No. All those pages were just you and your friends writing about each other and chatting with each other. That is what social-networking sites like Facebook are for, but Wikipedia is different. JohnCD (talk) 16:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Failed AFD process?[edit]

You added an {{AFD}} template to Emad Rahim, but you don't appear to have actually created a discussion. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:51, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, you sorta created a discussion, but apparently you created it in your sandbox. You might wanto address that. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:54, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Patience, I'm getting there... JohnCD (talk) 13:56, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
OK. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 14:01, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Wiki pages[edit]

I will be producing a page on a university professor within the next few days. That will certainly be biographical and promotional as it will list her writing, et. al. Will this be an unsuitable page as well?JB, DRAGA design 18:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barenose (talkcontribs) 18:13, 18 August 2014

Replied on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 20:58, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

New article: Academic page[edit]

Hi John,

thanks for your help! I was asked to create the page, I didn't seek it out. I will attempt to follow all the rules…this is my first, and probably only, wiki page.

All the best,

JBJB, DRAGA design 17:48, 19 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barenose (talkcontribs)


I've restored your deletion of this page. This page is used by both new editors as a sandbox and by AfC clerks for testing. In addition to those uses, it prevents drafts that are moved from userspace sandboxes to being parked in an inappropriate location. I hope you don't think that I am stepping on your toes, I just knew this page was used with a purpose. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 11:27, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

No worries! Sorry about that. I deleted it because its content was two lines about a non-notable minor, which had been spammed in several places; if I had realised its use, I would have re-created it blank. I deleted its talk page too, which was another non-article, but I don't suppose that needs to be recreated. JohnCD (talk) 11:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
I figured that was what you did, so I reverted it back to a clean sandbox page. I wasn't worried about the talkpage, a new one can always be created. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 11:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC)