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John Cline
Originally know as user:My76Strat
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This week's article for improvement (week 43, 2014)[edit]


Inside an ice hotel in Jukkasjärvi, Sweden

Hello, John Cline.

The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection:

Ice hotel

Previous selections: Central America • Steak

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The Signpost: 22 October 2014[edit]

Comment from Changeit4good[edit]

U keep editing my things :'( — Preceding unsigned comment added by Changeit4good (talkcontribs) 09:55, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Cause U thangs B so fookdup; ya dig?—John Cline (talk) 10:16, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—November 2014[edit]

Screenshot on an iPad, showing how to switch from one editor to the other
Did you know?

VisualEditor is also available on the mobile version of Wikipedia. Login and click the pencil icon to open the page you want to edit. Click on the gear-shaped settings in the upper-right corner, to pick which editor to use. Choose "Edit" to use VisualEditor, or "Edit source" to use the wikitext editor.

It will remember whether you used wikitext or VisualEditor, and use the same editor the next time you edit an article.

The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor. Not all features are available in Mobile Web.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and requests, and worked on support for editing tables and for using non-Latin languages. Their weekly updates are posted on Informal notes from the recent quarterly review were posted on Meta.

Recent improvements[edit]

The French Wikipedia should see better search results for links, templates, and media because the new search engine was turned on for everyone there. This change is expected at the Chinese and German Wikipedias next week, and eventually at the English Wikipedia.

The "pawn" system has been mostly replaced. Bugs in this system sometimes added a chess pawn character to wikitext. The replacement provides better support for non-Latin languages, with full support hopefully coming soon.

VisualEditor is now provided to editors who use Internet Explorer 10 or 11 on desktop and mobile devices. Internet Explorer 9 is not supported yet.

The keyboard shortcuts for items in the toolbar's menus are now shown in the menus. VisualEditor will replace the existing design with a new theme from the User Experience / Design group. The appearance of dialogs has already changed in one Mobile version. The appearance on desktops will change soon. (You can see a developer preview of the old "Apex" design and the new "MediaWiki" theme which will replace it.)

Several bugs were fixed for internal and external links. Improvements to MediaWiki's search solved an annoying problem: If you searched for the full name of the page or file that you wanted to link, sometimes the search program could not find the page. A link inside a template, to a local page that does not exist, will now show red, exactly as it does when reading the page. Due to a error, for about two weeks this also affected all external links inside templates. Opening an auto-numbered link node like [1] with the keyboard used to open the wrong link tool. These problems have all been fixed.


The tool for quickly editing TemplateData will be deployed to all Wikimedia Foundation wikis on Thursday, 6 November.  This tool is already available on the biggest 40 Wikipedias, and now all wikis will have access to it. This tool makes it easier to add TemplateData to the template's documentation.  When the tool is enabled, it will add a button above every editing window for a template (including documentation subpages). To use it, edit the template or a subpage, and then click the "Manage TemplateData" button at the top.  Read the help page for TemplateData. You can test the TemplateData editor in a sandbox at Remember that TemplateData should be placed either on a documentation subpage or on the template page itself. Only one block of TemplateData will be used per template.

You can use the new autovalue setting to pre-load a value into a template. This can be used to substitute dates, as in this example, or to add the most common response for that parameter. The autovalue can be easily overridden by the editor, by typing something else in the field.

In TemplateData, you may define a parameter as "required". The template dialog in VisualEditor will warn editors if they leave a "required" parameter empty, and they will not be able to delete that parameter. If the template can function without this parameter, then please mark it as "suggested" or "optional" in TemplateData instead.

Looking ahead[edit]

Basic support for inserting tables and changing the number of rows and columns in tables will appear next Wednesday. Advanced features, like dragging columns to different places, will be possible later. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. To help editors find the most important items more quickly, some items in the toolbar menus will be hidden behind a "More" item, such as "underlining" in the styling menu. The appearance of the media search dialog will improve, to make picking between possible images easier and more visual. The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap.

The user guide will be updated soon to add information about editing tables. The translations for most languages except Spanish, French, and Dutch are significantly out of date. Please help complete the current translations for users who speak your language. Talk to us if you need help exporting the translated guide to your wiki.

You can influence VisualEditor's design. Tell the VisualEditor team what you want changed during the office hours via IRC. The next sessions are on Wednesday, 19 November at 16:00 UTC and on Wednesday 7 January 2015 at 22:00 UTC. You can also share your ideas at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.

Also, user experience researcher Abbey Ripstra is looking for editors to show her how they edit Wikipedia. Please sign up for the research program if you would like to hear about opportunities.

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Whatamidoing (WMF) 20:41, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

good job <3[edit]

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Thanks for being so fast on fixes! i was the big summer blowup guy and i wanted to see how fast you guys got to fixes. You have passed the test good sir..14 will be shure to put a good word in for you:) -Zorakton Zorakton (talk) 01:25, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Recent vandalism to this page[edit]

Would you like me to delete the revision you just reverted? m.o.p 06:17, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello Master of Puppets. I agree that this edit serves no useful purpose.[2] Thank you.—John Cline (talk) 08:21, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Alright, it's been cleaned up. Best, m.o.p 10:56, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Copyright checks when performing AfC reviews[edit]

Hello John Cline. This message is part of a mass mailing to people who appear active in reviewing articles for creation submissions. First of all, thank you for taking part in this important work! I'm sorry this message is a form letter – it really was the only way I could think of to covey the issue economically. Of course, this also means that I have not looked to see whether the matter is applicable to you in particular.

The issue is in rather large numbers of copyright violations ("copyvios") making their way through AfC reviews without being detected (even when easy to check, and even when hallmarks of copyvios in the text that should have invited a check, were glaring). A second issue is the correct method of dealing with them when discovered.

If you don't do so already, I'd like to ask for your to help with this problem by taking on the practice of performing a copyvio check as the first step in any AfC review. The most basic method is to simply copy a unique but small portion of text from the draft body and run it through a search engine in quotation marks. Trying this from two different paragraphs is recommended. (If you have any question about whether the text was copied from the draft, rather than the other way around (a "backwards copyvio"), the Wayback Machine is very useful for sussing that out.)

If you do find a copyright violation, please do not decline the draft on that basis. Copyright violations need to be dealt with immediately as they may harm those whose content is being used and expose Wikipedia to potential legal liability. If the draft is substantially a copyvio, and there's no non-infringing version to revert to, please mark the page for speedy deletion right away using {{db-g12|url=URL of source}}. If there is an assertion of permission, please replace the draft article's content with {{subst:copyvio|url=URL of source}}.

Some of the more obvious indicia of a copyvio are use of the first person ("we/our/us..."), phrases like "this site", or apparent artifacts of content written for somewhere else ("top", "go to top", "next page", "click here", use of smartquotes, etc.); inappropriate tone of voice, such as an overly informal tone or a very slanted marketing voice with weasel words; including intellectual property symbols (™,®); and blocks of text being added all at once in a finished form with no misspellings or other errors.

I hope this message finds you well and thanks again you for your efforts in this area. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC).

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DangerousPanda arbitation request opened[edit]

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration and have not been listed as a party. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/DangerousPanda. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/DangerousPanda/Evidence. Please add your evidence by 3 December 2014, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/DangerousPanda/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 12:36, 19 November 2014 (UTC). Message delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

My new toy[edit]

2014 Squire HSS Love it :) Mlpearc (open channel) 03:52, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Very nice. I can nearly hear the string's resonance off the rosewood fretboard through the humbucker in the lead pickup position. I had a Dimarzio single coil humbucker installed on my own; years ago.—John Cline (talk) 05:52, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
I hope it (we) last as long as your '76 :P Mlpearc (open channel) 05:55, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

User comment[edit]

Regarding Urine Therapy, there is no question that the blood is filtered in the kidneys and the filtrate is called Urine. I can't support the gum biology - except in Hindi language periodicals.Yogazeal (talk) 11:45, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

The use of urine for "oral hygiene" is the content which needs the support of a reliable source for inclusion. Even suggesting that urine's taste is a distinguishing factor is contentious enough to require a source. Thank you for understanding.—John Cline (talk) 11:57, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

I am a historian for Portsmouth Football Club. Please permit my additions to the biographies of former Portsmouth Football Club players. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:41, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

My CSD tagging[edit]

Hi John, thanks for taking the time to comment on my RfA. Before I start working on CSDs I would like to know if you had any suggestions or advice, and where you saw problems with my tagging. As I said in my answer to your question, I appreciate constructive criticism, and knowing where I'm making mistakes will mean I can learn from them and hopefully not repeat them in the future. Sarahj2107 (talk) 16:54, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes Sarahj2107, I do want to suggest a few things, and clarify my comment from your RfA a bit as well. First, let me congratulate you for achieving a successful outcome on your RfA; it is well deserved. Regarding your CSD requests, I had noticed a disproportionately high amount of requests under CSD-G12 as the sole criterion. Realistically, the majority of copyvios will qualify, and should therefor be tagged with multiple criteria. Most often G11 and G12, or A7 and G12. Consider the WP:G12 instructions, where it says:

Note: If other criteria apply in addition to G12, the template {{Db-multiple}} should be used instead, so we don't waste time seeking copyright permission after deleting the page.

And look where some of the more familiar admins augmented your single G12 tag by adding the additional criterion. International Business at Cottey College, Cirrustar, Eileen king, Michael Dawe, The Centre (Sami Yusuf album), Sheraton Adana Hotel, Lucio Caputo, or Peter Schrager. Look also where one was accepted, and deleted under G12 alone, Louise Cook and where some-days later it was recreated without the copyvio, only to be deleted under CSD-A7. Also notice that the editor never returned to edit again, after the second loss of attribution. Looking at his editing history, he has only one edit, yet we know he endeavored more than that, and the second wave of misplaced energy could have been mitigated with a multiple tag. Have a look at Glamour and Damage (album) including its talk page, and see if the same misplaced hope isn't being vested in an article that doesn't look like it could withstand an A7 let alone an AFD. I don't want to belabor the point, but it is important. Especially now as you administer the deletion. Please add the additional criteria on sole G12s when applicable before deleting. One other thing. I noticed a lot of schools deleted, and a lot of schools on your CSD log that were still blue linked. You once stated yourself that schools were almost inherently notable which is true in as much as WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES is true, and I would like to have seen more of those potentially converted into a redirect, especially if and when that school is mentioned in some other article. For example International Business at Cottey College could rightly be redirected to Cottey College, or TFT technology to Thin-film transistor. I feel that other examples exist but haven't checked them all. I hope I've been able to explain the aspects where I felt you could improve, and that you will take the advice on board as you move forward in your new role. Best regards.—John Cline (talk) 19:11, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the advice. I think the fact that a lot of my requests are under G12 is probably because I come across them when working on the dead end page category. These pages have usually been around for a few months and if any of the other CSD criteria applied then it would have be caught sooner; most, if not all, of them have already been patrolled. Copyvio is sometimes harder to spot unless your specifically looking for it on nearly every page you come across. There have been times when I thought the page might meet more criteria other than G12 but wasn't completely sure, so I just tagged as G12 (which I could be certain applied) knowing that the end result of the page being deleted would still be meet. I can see your point about recreations and saving time and effort being put into something which will still be deleted. It's something I will defiantly check more thoroughly for from now on.
As for the schools, I agree that they should probably be redirected rather than deleted if they are advertisements or they are unnotable parts of a larger institution. However, the two examples you gave and all of the other schools in my CSD Log that I can see where deleted as copyright infringement. These pages should nearly always be deleted if there is no non-copyvio version in the history. I will consider re-creating the pages as redirects if a plausable destination page is available though. Thank you again for your advice, I will keep it in mind when reviewing pages other people have tagged and when patrolling new pages. Regards, Sarahj2107 (talk) 19:51, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

RfC United States same-sex marriage map[edit]

I opened up an RfC for the U.S. same-sex marriage map due to the complicated situation of Kansas: RfC: How should we color Kansas? Prcc27 (talk) 10:14, 10 December 2014 (UTC)


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VisualEditor newsletter—December 2014[edit]

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Did you know?

Basic table editing is now available in VisualEditor. You can add and remove rows and columns from existing tables at the click of a button.

The user guide has more information about how to use VisualEditor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and worked on table editing and performance. Their weekly status reports are posted on Upcoming plans are posted at the VisualEditor roadmap.

VisualEditor was deployed to several hundred remaining wikis as an opt-in beta feature at the end of November, except for most Wiktionaries (which depend heavily upon templates) and all Wikisources (which await integration with ProofreadPage).

Recent improvements[edit]

Basic support for editing tables is available. You can insert new tables, add and remove rows and columns, set or remove a caption for a table, and merge cells together. To change the contents of a cell, double-click inside it. More features will be added in the coming months. In addition, VisualEditor now ignores broken, invalid rowspan and colspan elements, instead of trying to repair them.

You can now use find and replace in VisualEditor, reachable through the tool menu or by pressing ⌃ Ctrl+F or ⌘ Cmd+F.

You can now create and edit simple <blockquote> paragraphs for quoting and indenting content. This changes a "Paragraph" into a "Block quote".

Some new keyboard sequences can be used to format content. At the start of the line, typing "*  " will make the line a bullet list; "1.  " or "# " will make it a numbered list; "==" will make it a section heading; ": " will make it a blockquote. If you didn't mean to use these tools, you can press undo to undo the formatting change. There are also two other keyboard sequences: "[[" for opening the link tool, and "{{" for opening the template tool, to help experienced editors. The existing standard keyboard shortcuts, like ⌃ Ctrl+K to open the link editor, still work.

If you add a category that has been redirected, then VisualEditor now adds its target. Categories without description pages show up as red.

You can again create and edit galleries as wikitext code.

Looking ahead[edit]

VisualEditor will replace the existing design with a new theme designed by the User Experience group. The new theme will be visible for desktop systems at in late December and at other sites early January. (You can see a developer preview of the old "Apex" theme and the new "MediaWiki" one which will replace it.)

The Editing team plans to add auto-fill features for citations in January. Planned changes to the media search dialog will make choosing between possible images easier.


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Thank you! WhatamIdoing (WMF) (talk) 23:37, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

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