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A cupcake for you!

Choco-Nut Bake with Meringue Top cropped.jpg For helping me avoid further HTML-induced headaches from my new custom signature. You're a wonderful person. Seriously. kikichugirl inquire 09:12, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Delicious! I'll be watching out for your elegant signature. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:45, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Battle of Kursk

I couldn't fix the cite error: A list-defined reference has no name in Notes chapter. See Please be so kind to help. Best wishes --Frze (talk) 16:48, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I've made an edit and the error message has gone. I don't understand this one, though. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:07, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Many Thanks --Frze (talk) 09:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

AWB request


I need an AWB on Jesse B. Jackson please. Thanks in advance. Proudbolsahye (talk) 18:40, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done though it didn't find much that needed tweaking. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:15, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I have a similar request. Can you please AWB Vazgen Sargsyan? Thank you! --Երևանցի talk 23:22, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done though the software found even less to do. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:02, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks!--Երևանցի talk 06:27, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

2013–14 Partick Thistle F.C. season#Notes

I couldn't fix the cite error: A list-defined reference has no name. I'm aware but unsure exactly what is causing it as both note refs appear to be named. - please be so kind to help. Thx --Frze (talk) 13:21, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

After some research I've fixed it by re-arranging the reference definitions. It seems this is a known bug. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:30, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks --Frze (talk) 16:51, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Greek legislative election, May 2012

Please could you fix the efn name = Undecided vote - error? Thx --Frze (talk) 16:51, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

No, I can't see any clever fix for this one. The big edit on 19th July (a) chopped 15K off the article size, (b) added several calls to an undefined note (c) had no edit summary to give us a hint. Two options: remove the efn calls, or revert to the version before the big edit. If pressed, I'd removed the efn calls and post on the talk page. That may attract the attention of someone who can assess the IP's big edit. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:13, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
@Frze: Fixed it - I looked more closely at the big edit, worked out what the IP was trying to achieve, and re-created the missing footnote. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:16, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Well done! Thanks and Good night - --Frze (talk) 19:42, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


For fixing one of my legacies to Wikipedia -- template: Ref Ethiopia. If I was up on the latest gadgets, I'd leave a flower or a smiley face or something even more scary on your talk page. ;-) -- llywrch (talk) 23:40, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I could try to explain why the old version didn't work, if it would help, but I see that it was a long time ago. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:06, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes it was. -- llywrch (talk) 20:48, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Problems with posting a biography username slimting999

Hello John,

Firstly apologies' for my repetitive editing I am new to Wikipedia and am not aware of how to use it.

I am Pa to a entrepreneur and trying to post his biography but am having problems trying I cant find a SUBMIT BUTTON could you help me to get this posted?

Do you have any advice on my article ive created im happy for you to help me edit, format and submit it?

Look forward to hearing from you.

regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slimting999 (talkcontribs) 12:45, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for getting back to me. I'm afraid this isn't how Wikipedia works! Wikipedia articles about artists, performers and such like are not typically written by the artists themselves, or by their PR team - please check out the Wikipedia:Autobiography page for more on that. Also, a Wikipedia article should only summarise what other people have already written in books, journals and respected news outlets - please see WP:42 for a summary of the minimum coverage needed for an article to exist. Wikipedia is not a place to advertise.
If you are desperate to try to submit an article, then the way to go would be the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process, where your proposed page would be put in a queue for a team of volunteer reviewers to look at. But the material you've been posting so far would almost certainly be rejected. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Thankyou for getting back to me. Please can you help me direct me to get it correct so that I can post it on the site?

If you could send me message to help that be helpful and appreciated!

my email is: [details removed]

regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slimting999 (talkcontribs) 19:31, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

How can I put this kindly? Wait a few years, and you may find that Slimting's career and projects have attracted so much media attention that someone writes a Wikipedia article about him. But at present I don't think it can be done. Have another look at WP:42 please. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:23, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello john,

Ok I understand now. However id still like to post something. I have posted in the artice section as advised by yourself, can you have a look and see if it is ok and looking good?

Please find below what id like to write

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Slimting999 (talkcontribs) 16:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I see that you have posted it not as a draft for review, but as an article, Nicky Slimting Walker, and that it has already been deleted. I really can't help you with this, except to point you again to the Wikipedia guidance pages Wikipedia:Autobiography, Wikipedia:Notability (people) and the summary at WP:42. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:14, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
PS. I have removed your email address to protect your privacy. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:44, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


"Dear" John ;

As part of a high controversial acting, I mean, instead of

...the strangest phenomena about the predicting itself; nonetheless, the notability of saying/stating what that was followed by, as seen the events on their manifesto, is, in deed, the very beggining, in a different way, that biased for 'not' deleting the talk page."

With that said and acknowledged, the following issue (or concerning this context) is shown below:

'Portal:Current_events/2013_July_30' 'Section': International relations

We encourage and emprise you to join the admiration and beholding for the future segments. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:31, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you are getting at here. But yes, it is good to see leaders talking to each other. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:28, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
this strange phenomena of predicting, however, have notability in saying or asserting what indeed was followed by, by seeing the events described in that manifestation; in fact, at the very start, in a different way, when tilted(trended) to 'not 'delete the talk page, perhaps? (talk) 01:17, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I hope Im not bothering you sir, but take a look at this: Mmmprismo.png and that is all, ok? :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:38, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Chthonic in Megaron

HI John -- I've tried without luck to convert Chthonic (with brackets appearing in the article) to the reference Chthonic in the section "Purpose" of the article "Megaron". I note that it appears properly here on your talk page. RobLandau (talk) 15:00, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that there are currently two different, incompatible, editing systems. The "old" way makes a link using double-square-brackets; the "new" way, using the "Visual Editor" uses a "Link" button and a pop-up dialog. If you edit using the Visual Editor and type double-square-brackets, the new editor thinks that is what you want the reader to see, and adds <nowiki> tags so that they show in the article. I have fixed the Megaron article by removing the <nowiki> tags.
I am sure the Visual Editor has great potential, but I for one have never used it except to make test edits. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:10, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for that John. --RobLandau (talk) 15:31, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Albert Kitson

Please help me with both references and a more appropraite link on the article "Albert Kitson, 2nd Baron Airedale". the link should be to "duchy of wurttemberg" - but I canno do the 2 dots over the "u". cheers Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:37, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Albert Kitson, 2nd Baron Airedale (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Another editor has fixed the "u" - if all else fails, you can copy-and-paste a character from another article. And I've just fixed the two references, where the "title" and "url" values needed to be swapped over. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:32, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Summertime Sadness

... is appearing in - what's wrong? I fixed the error in Template:Lana Del Rey. Please be so kind to help. Thanks --Frze (talk) 16:58, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Fixed with this edit. So long --Frze (talk) 17:02, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
I've undone that edit. After you fixed the template, the article may have needed a null edit to get the categories up to date, but there was no need to swap the sections over. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:36, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Albert Kitson again

Hi John, thanks for your work recently Please alter the 4th reference for the article - Albert Kitson, 2nd Baron Airedale. The reference is from the London Gazette - Supplement (dated September 27th, 1911), page 7117, but it is the "Supplement for the Coronation of George V - a list of Peers of the Realm who paid Homage to the Sovereign at Westminster Abbey on June 22nd, 1911" I was wrong thinking that the reference was relating to the Investiture of the Prince of Wales.

Also, please get rid of the "needs additional citations etc " bit at the top of the article. I think it is a good article isn't it? Cheers and thanks Ted — — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:09, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I've replied at the help desk. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

You are very helpful - but please try to "re-do" the 4th reference, as I have outlined above cheers ted — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Better? -- John of Reading (talk) 10:35, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Data searching questions

Hi John, I was wondering a few things in regards to searching the full database for specific strings.

I'd like to search all of mainspace for the string "<timeline>" (in order to find all the graphical timelines that are not currently in category:graphical timelines).

Is there a central Request page, where we're meant to request things like this? (instead of asking you every time!)

I'd like to learn more of the details of how this is done. I'm thinking about downloading the July dump, and attempting to learn the basics of database-wrangling. If you have any suggestions/cautions/tips (particularly if you use linux), they'd be much appreciated.

Thanks. –Quiddity (talk) 17:49, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

@Quiddity: Greetings from a Welsh holiday cottage! I don't think I can give you detailed help from here. You could try Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks to see if anyone can scan a database for you, or Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser if you can't get it working under Linux. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:58, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Sounds good! I have vague memories of a few weekends lost in Welsh hills and houses, in the mists of youth.
I'll give the AWB requests page a try. Maybe later in the month I'll get a chance to delve into databases, myself.
TTFN, –Quiddity (talk) 19:21, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Christianity in the 20th century

What's wrong? (> Category:Pages_with_incorrect_ref_formatting) Thanks & good night --Frze (talk) 19:40, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg fixed There was an unbalanced <ref>; there was also an unbalanced </ref> but that doesn't cause errors like this. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:11, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up the TMOQ article, it looks better now

Hello John

thank you for editing&cleaning up the TMOQ article ( about the US -70ths bootleg label).It looks better,more neutral and I guess more up to the Wikipedia standard.I think I added a bit of a personal touch to it as it is one of my favorite subjects..Are you a senior editor ? Another editor have added a "warning" that "This article has multiple issues"..I think by editing you have solved the problems with "The neutrality of this article" and also " The article's tone or style may not reflect the encyclopedic tone used on Wikipedia"...How can this warning be removed ? Does it need a voting or how does it work ? I think in the fairness of the article it should now be on Wikipedia without these remarks..anyway,enjoy your holiday and I*ll check for an answer later in the month Flyspes (talk) 06:57, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Trademark of Quality (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
@Flyspes: (I've removed the space characters from each line of your message so that it is easier to read)
Actually I only fixed one spelling mistake, and I expect I spent about fifteen seconds on the article. Looking at it now, yes, there is a long paragraph and a long list of record releases, both with no clear indication of where the information is coming from; and on the talk page there are some comments that need addressing. So I'm won't be removing any of those tags. I think the article needs someone familiar with the subject, and with copies of the sources, to go through the text adding the missing references.
"Senior editor"? Well, I've made a lot of edits in the last three years. But most of the time I'm only fixing spelling mistakes! -- John of Reading (talk) 18:02, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
I think that you were perhaps described as a Senior Editor on this basis. But I don't think you yet qualify, since although your edit count is plenty high enough, you have less than 4 years service. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:21, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

..."Looking at it now, yes, there is a long paragraph and a long list of record releases, both with no clear indication of where the information is coming from"....well,for your information.All the serial & Matrix numbers for the LPs listed comes from my own private collection (yes, I have about 90% of the entire catalogue) and the rest from fellow collectors who have the LPs I dont have..So I guess the problem here is that I am (or my record collection) is not an acceptable source according to Wikipedia rules so I really dont know how this article can be verified as I dont think many other people know more about this than me & a few other collectors ..( and the guys behind the label but they dont want to confirm anything)

Flyspes (talk) 09:57, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Is the catalogue published anywhere? It doesn't have to be in an online source. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Cross road (byway) concern

Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Cross road (byway), a page you created has not been edited in at least 180 days. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace. If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it. You may request Userfication of the content if it meets requirements. If the deletion has already occured, instructions on how you may be able to retrieve it are available at WP:REFUND/G13. Thank you for your attention. HasteurBot (talk) 16:56, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Fine by me! Since I don't have access to the main source, I won't be taking this draft anywhere. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:36, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Note to self - I've copied this notification to User talk:Jacobandtotty. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:30, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Would it be right to lavish any praise on the architecture and landscape of the Wentworth Estate in the article River Bourne, Chertsey

I am sure all other countries would have no hesitation. Anyway I thank you for your deletion of my quick character appraisal as it wasn't very British sounding as was too Peacock-sounding ("exclusive" particularly), something which really just refers to the golf course. I might mention that instead. The fact of its being in the top 10 estates nationally is really something for the super-rich not you or I. - Adam37 Talk 14:43, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

@Adam37: Perhaps the river article should refer to "the 1920s Wentworth Estate development" rather than using a piped link "the 1920s Wentworth development". Then it's clear that the estate is notable enough for its own article. Without the word "Estate" showing, "Wentworth" could be a link to an article about a property developer or architect. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

page X3 and cat X2

Your subpage User:John of Reading/X3 is categorized in Category:X2. That category was repurposed in the last few days. The subpage may still belong in that category, but it was alone there and I thought I'd let you know so you could decide. At any rate, it doesn't affect me or anyone else to my knowledge. Nick Levinson (talk) 18:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

@Nick Levinson: I've blanked the page anyway. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:34, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Help needed

Is there any way to avoid this type of edits using AWB? --Zayeem (talk) 16:08, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

@Kmzayeem: I can't see this edit, as the page has been deleted. Can you dig out another example? -- John of Reading (talk) 15:39, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Timtrent could show another example as he alerted me. What I saw is that the page was tagged for CSD but still I inserted a stub template in it, I guess that was the concern.--Zayeem (talk) 16:15, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Prior to Kmzayeem's edit, the page Nikos Giannakopoulos consisted of just two lines, both being templates: {{db-author}} and {{dead end|date=August 2013}}. Kmzayeem added three lines: two were blank, the third was {{stub}}. I don't see a problem with this, since it is not mandatory to obey {{db-author}} - anybody with information about Giannakopoulos could have edited it to remove that tag and add some valid content. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:35, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
I hope all of you discussing this know I am not complaining. I alerted Kmzayeem in case they were doing something I felt could be construed as unusual on purpose. It seems it was accidental. It appears to me that they want to know if there is a way of avoiding the accident in the future. I don't use AWB so have no hope of making a good answer. I suggested they ask for assistance. Fiddle Faddle 17:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
My AWB runs don't often run into articles tagged for speedy deletion, so I don't have much experience of edits like this one. I do fix typos even if I see prod or afd tags, since there's a fair chance that the article will survive. But, going back to the original question, there are at least two ways to avoid making that edit when using AWB. One is to press "Skip" instead of "Save" Face-smile.svg. Another would be to go to the "Skip" tab and key \{\{[Dd]b\- as the "Contains" text, and also tick "Regex" and "Case sensitive". AWB would then skip straight past any article tagged with a "db-" template. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:24, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks John, will try the second option. --Zayeem (talk) 19:11, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Requesting your opinion on Rick Rescorla

Hi. An editorial dispute has arisen on the Rick Rescorla article. Can you offer your opinion here? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 23:25, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

@Nightscream: Not really, as either version looks ok to me! -- John of Reading (talk) 15:52, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting

See: What's wrong with V-Nasty??

Please take a look at Motor control > history, e. g. diff, User:BG19bot doesn't work well... Thanks and good night --Frze (talk) 19:50, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

In the case of V-Nasty, it was caused by this edit - there's a <ref> but no </ref> --Redrose64 (talk) 20:05, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Melanie Castleman

Thank you for correcting my mistaken edit at Melanie Castleman.

I became involved when I read this section at the help desk. I investigated, and decided to nominate the article for deletion. When I added the nomination, I got a message I did not understand, mentioned this at the help desk, and tried to follow the advice I was given there. However I must have done this wrong again, as you undid/altered my nomination. Maproom (talk) 07:32, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

@Maproom: Yes, I saw the help desk thread. The instructions at WP:AFDHOWTO are quite tricky. It's much easier if you enable the "Twinkle" tool in your preferences, as then you can pick "XFD" from a menu, type your nomination into a dialog, and then the tool makes the edits for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:08, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


NASRI SOUND (Personal) an audio and videos library. Since: April, 27, 1999. Organizer: Pervaiz Alam Nasri. NASRI SOUND is a personal audio and videos library. This have been organized by Pervaiz Alam Nasri. Many popular songs and block buster movies have in this library. This collection added by Pervaiz Alam Nasri. Friends can get information about music and movies by sms any time. You can contact on by your sms [details removed]. Or contact on Pervaiz Alam Nasri Google+, Twitter, Facebook. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pervaiz Alam Nasri (talkcontribs) 06:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but why do I need to know this? -- John of Reading (talk) 06:45, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


I undid your edit removing {{EngvarB}} from WP:AWB/DT. Categories such as Category:EngvarB that are listed in Category:Wikipedia maintenance categories sorted by month are added by templates, and those templates should have a |date= which is supposed to be set to the month and year that the template was added to an article. And AnomieBOT complains to me if it finds a page in one of those categories and dating every template in the article at WP:AWB/DT (and a few other templates) that doesn't already have a date doesn't remove the page from the problem category. So if you want Template:EngvarB removed from WP:AWB/DT, please also remove Category:EngvarB from Category:Wikipedia maintenance categories sorted by month.

As for the merits of the template and category themselves, all I can say is that they have awful names and seem to exist as some sort of POV-fork from the other varieties-of-English templates (an edit "declaring independence"? WTF?), which I'm not going to involve myself with. Anomie 11:28, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Me too, I'll let Ohconfucius (talk · contribs) sort this out. The template needs better documentation. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:07, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Category:Pages with missing references list

Good evening - What's wrong there?

Best wishes & thanks --Frze (talk) 20:02, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

You fixed the navbox, so the next steps are to null edit the articles and then to purge the category. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:06, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks and good night. --Frze (talk) 20:16, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

25th Battalion (Nova Scotia Rifles), CEF

Cite error: A list-defined reference has no name - but there is no reference-list. What's wrong? Best wishes --Frze (talk) 11:40, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

The same problem: Ephraim Mirvis. --Frze (talk) 11:43, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
It's a strange error message, but I've managed to fix both of them. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:25, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

"treats of"

Hi, John, Long time no read ;) Hey, I've had my head down as usual and don't know if there is a forum for us gnomes to ask this type of thing. I was doing a search on the subject to look for misspellings of "threats of" and ran across what seems to me to be weird English... as in "The book treats of <some subject> in a manner that...". What's your take on that? -LilHelpa (talk) 13:59, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for dropping in! It's not a common usage but I have met it. It is listed in Wiktionary, "usage 2" in wikt:treat. I think the nearest we have to a forum is Wikipedia talk:Typo Team. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:04, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll leave them. Congrats on article #4! -LilHelpa (talk) 14:31, 4 September 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for the XKCD link at the help-desk it (almost) summed up my problem. XKCD seems to like Wikipedia as in Advertising Arjayay (talk) 15:56, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

The Problem with Wikipedia -- John of Reading (talk) 16:17, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

American Horse

Thank you for you edits. Most appreciated. I'm rearranging and resizing the images to fit the new format. Richlevine00 (talk) 13:17, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

American Horse (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Thanks! -- John of Reading (talk) 15:28, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting

Subcutaneous tissue >>> What's wrong here? Best wishes Frze --Frze (talk) 09:57, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

I've fixed it. Notice that the reference I commented out had been closed with <ref> instead of </ref>, so the usual error message didn't appear. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:22, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

First Republic of Armenia

AWB please. --Երևանցի talk 22:33, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done -- John of Reading (talk) 06:54, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


How does an Editor accumulate 212K edits in four years? I hope you take some time off! I think I'd be burned out by Year Two! Cheers! Liz Read! Talk! 23:43, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

That's a good question!
I'm a house-husband without great social skills. I am pleased to have found something I can do reasonably well, improving a resource that is much-used, well-respected, and free of advertising. Wikipedia has become the main thing I do when I'm not doing anything else. And because I mostly fix typos rather than, say, research new content, that translates into a large number of edits.
Time off? You'll see from the X! Edit Counter that there's a big dip each August for family holidays and while the children are off school. And, I hope, you can see from my contributions that I'm not on here 24/7.
I don't think burn-out will be a problem. I'm not good at stress and have tried to avoid doing anything contentious here. I'll happily dip into contentious articles and fix a typo or two, but I avoid getting into debates about content. Glance back at that edit counter and see the percentage of posts on article talk pages - and I expect that at least half of those are {{cclean}} notices. There will always be typos to fix. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:40, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
Congratulations on avoiding contentious areas, John of Reading! I've been trying to find my niche here. I first set up an account in 2007 but I've only edited sporadically until recently. I have a ton of reference materials but due to space limitations in my apartment, they are all in storage so, at the moment, article creation doesn't look promising since article survival depends so much upon adequate referencing.
I hung out at the noticeboards for a while, thought I'd help with dispute resolution but I kept running into Editors who were too angry to want to resolve their disagreements. Unfortunately, some of these users seem to perpetually be named in AN/I cases until they either quit or receive a block.
So, I wandered into Categories and it satisfied the ex-librarian in me...lumping and sorting! But I've found that when there is group of Editors who have been working for a long time on the same project, even editing choices which seem neutral can be seen as controversial to some folks. So, I'm spending a lot of time discussing principles of categorization to better understand the unwritten rules that come from experience and aren't part of the stated guidelines.
It looks like you search out common misspellings and correct them? I'm sure there are far too many of them given how quickly people edit. I know if I don't preview an edit before posting, I inevitably find some typo or missing word. We think faster than we type!
It sounds like you work on a wide-range of subject areas rather than focusing on a particular WikiProject so, if you don't mind, I might return to your Talk Page if I have a question about editing as you have so much experience. Thanks for the response! Liz Read! Talk! 13:35, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
P.S. And now I know what Template:Cclean means! Liz Read! Talk! 13:36, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Next Oxford meetup

Hi, I've created m:Meetup/Oxford/9 with no date, would October 13 or October 20 be most convenient for you? There's a discussion page at m:Talk:Meetup/Oxford/9 so that a date may be agreed. Please comment there. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:48, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


I couldn't fix the cite error: A list-defined reference named "FOOTNOTELloyd19724" is not used in the content. Thanks --Frze (talk) 17:09, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Fixed, though there may be a better way to do it. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:31, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Rollback permission

Hello John - is it possible to give me the rollback permission? Thanks a lot --Frze Disk 14:43, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

You'll have to ask at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback. I'm not an admin, so I don't have the ability to add or remove permissions. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:46, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks - for me you are the best admin I know! --Frze talk 15:03, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Confederation of Indian Industry

Confederation of Indian Industry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hellow John

Content on this page have been deleted. May I request you to please restore the deleted sections on this page.

Confedeartion of Indian Industry (CII) is an apex industry body in India and has international presence in 9 countries. Through Wikipedia, we want public to know more about CII, its activities and how CII is shaping industry in India. The various sections of article could be very useful for both as knowledge repository at wikipedia for visitors and research scholars for take aways.

I am an employee of CII and the editor for providing information on wikipedia on behalf of CII. All content uploaded on this page belongs to CII and can be freely used for research purposes.

We shall be grateful for restoring the deleted content. I take the ownership of entire content uploaded by me.

kind regards, Aman Jha Deputy Director - CII — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amanjhacii (talkcontribs) 07:21, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

The text I removed is marked "copyright" at the organisation's website, so it cannot be used at Wikipedia. All text at Wikipedia has to be available under a free-to-reuse license. A license "for research purposes", as you mention here, is not enough, since publishers can and do re-use Wikipedia text for commercial purposes. There are ways round this - see Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials - but even then, other editors may decide that the material is too detailed, or too promotional, for an encyclopedia.
In general, people associated with an organisation are discouraged from editing its Wikipedia article. I have left you a standard notice about this. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:32, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, John! ;-))

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Dear John; Very many thanks for your prompt response and helpful assistance! Thanks to you, I have discovered the occasional need to 'purge' pages and have now also added a 'purgebox' button to my page. With kind regards; Patrick. Pdebee (talk) 10:54, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! Glad to have helped. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:40, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:EngvarB

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I think it's up to Ohconfucius (talk · contribs) to explain clearly how this template differs from {{Use British English}}. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:02, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Tennis infobox

Hi, last year on my request you updated Template:Infobox Tennis Grand Slam events (works great!). I was wondering if you could help me with another tennis template, namely Template:Infobox tennis event?

1989 Benson and Hedges Open
Date:   January 9 – January 16
Edition:   22nd
Draw:   32S/16D
Prize money:   $115,000
Location:   Auckland, New Zealand
India Ramesh Krishnan [1]
New Zealand Steve Guy / Japan Shuzo Matsuoka [2]
Benson and Hedges Open
 < 1988 1990 > 

This template is used for the year articles of a specific tennis tournament, in this case the 1989 edition of the Benson and Hedges Open. The tournament name Benson and Hedges Open at the bottom should link to the general page of the tournament. The issue here is that this link only seems to work when the tournament name as mentioned on the year article is the same as the tournament name used for the general tournament article (or is the same as the name of a redirect page). Often, particularly for tournaments with a long history, the name of the tournament has changed over the years and thus there will be a mismatch between the year article and the general article. In this case the general tournament article is named Heineken Open (tennis). Can you see if this template has an option to enable this link to work properly or, else, is there an easy way to fix this? Thx! --Wolbo (talk) 13:02, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I think the template already allows for this. Have a look at the template page, down the bottom, where it says "Optional parameters to change name...". You need an extra little trick to drop the "(tennis)" from the article title; here, I've set main_name = Heineken Open (tennis){{!}} Heineken Open to fool the template code into creating a piped link. I've also set the after_name parameter to fix the "1990" red link. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:54, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
1989 Benson and Hedges Open
Date:   January 9 – January 16
Edition:   22nd
Draw:   32S/16D
Prize money:   $115,000
Location:   Auckland, New Zealand
India Ramesh Krishnan [1]
New Zealand Steve Guy / Japan Shuzo Matsuoka [2]
Heineken Open
 < 1988 1990 > 

A barnstar for you!

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Thanks for your diligent editing of F. G. Natesa Iyer Anant (talk) 16:53, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! -- John of Reading (talk) 17:10, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


Hey, thank you for the note on how to "move" pages. I'm a new editor, so I'm still learning. Thank you! Brainmurk Ⓧ (talk) 18:04, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

@Brainmurk: I looked through your contributions after replying at Wikipedia talk:Typo Team, and that stood out. No problem! -- John of Reading (talk) 19:01, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

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The article is a mess of ordinary ASCII brackets and Japanese (?) () brackets. Tough. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:20, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Royal Navy officer rank insignia

What's wrong - it appaers in category "Pages with missing references list" - Thanks --Frze > talk 10:49, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Someone's been trying to add a reference to {{Ranks and Insignia of NATO Navies/OF/United Kingdom}}. A null edit of the article and a purge of the category has fixed it. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:55, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks --Frze > talk 13:15, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Tennessee-class cruiser

... in category "Pages with incorrect ref formatting" - what's wrong? --Frze > talk 13:15, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't see it there - have you fixed this one?
Several of the links in the "References" section don't join up with the works listed in the "Sources" section, but that's not enough to put it in an error category as far as I know. User:Gadget850/HarvErrors.js is my new toy that draws attention to those errors. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
Didn't do anything - thanks. Problem solved automatically... --Frze > talk 17:21, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

1000s (decade)

1000s (decade): Here is an incorrect warning because of new contributions in 1000. What's to do? --Frze > talk 06:46, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Hmm. I've made an edit at 1000 to fix the immediate problem, and have posted at Talk:1000#Restructuring the article. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:06, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
Hmmm. The problem seems not to be solved because of the double reflist (one in 1000s (decade) and one new since yesterday in 1000). --Frze > talk 07:12, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
I added <onlyinclude> tags to 1000 so that only the middle portion of the article is copied into the decade article. I'm not seeing any errors or error categories at 1000s (decade) now. If you are still seeing it listed in one of the error categories (which one?), you could try purging that category page. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:18, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
O. k. - Thanks --Frze > talk 07:31, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Linus Sundstrom Racing

Hi John, I work for Linus Sundstrom Racing so we are trying to update his wikipedia profile page to keep things up to date and fresh. Will this cause a problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billybob825 (talkcontribs) 20:45, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

You also posted this question at User talk:Billybob825 and I've replied there. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:54, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

BACKLOG OF THE WEEK Category:Pages with broken reference names

Hello John of Reading - thank you very much for your answer. You often fight off the vandal hordes, as I do repairing pages with citation errors. If I didn't - there would be a large backlog in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting and in Category:Pages with missing references list as in Category:Pages with broken reference names (more than 1500 yesterday). But it is impossible to work it alone. Do you know how to do a "Blitz" (excuse the comparision) to find willing editors to work on it. It is much more easier to repair references if you do it one hour, one day or one week ago after the errors were made instead of months and years after the error was done. Very, very difficult to find these errors.

Only with WikiBlame Search it is possible to find and repair such errors.

@Redrose64:(talk page stalker)

Best wishes --Frze > talk 05:27, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I agree it's much easier to work on one of these categories if you know it was clear just a few days ago. A while ago I found Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting with over 200 entries, and some had been there for several months.
The natural place to ask for help would be the talk page of a suitable WikiProject, but I can't think of one that covers these error categories. A post at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous) would be seen by lots of editors who wouldn't normally think of working on these categories; that might attract a helper or two. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:27, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks - I asked at Helpdesk and I'll do it on WP:VP. Could you take a look at Timeline of Brooklyn history. I tried hard to find ref name=nris. Thanks --Frze > talk 08:19, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. Yuck! -- John of Reading (talk) 09:02, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
WOW! --Frze > talk 09:45, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
That one took ages, and all the other multiply-used references need checking as well. For example the reference "nycland" is defined three times in three different ways, but with the same name so that the software uses only the first definition; and used ten times. Ideally it all needs to be cross-checked against the articles where the text came from. What a mess. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:12, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Semi-Automatic Ground Environment Please could you fix the Cite errors: The named reference Pugh, RedmondSmith + McMullen1980 were invoked but never defined. I can't handle {{r|RedmondSmith}} {{r|Pugh}}... Sorry & thanks --Frze > talk 15:50, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Another "yuck"! I used WikiBlame to find the revisions that first mentioned RedmondSmith and McMullen1980; that didn't work for Pugh so I looked for the first mention of "name=Pugh". For {{r|RedmondSmith}} see {{r}}. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:18, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks --Frze > talk 17:35, 11 October 2013 (UTC) And here is a good idea:
Monitoring backlog categories

A good idea of User:TheJJJunk: He monitors certain backlog categories using {{User:TheJJJunk/Backlog}}, a template he made:

Backlog status (Purge)
Category Current status
Pages with missing references list X mark.svg Not done
Persondata templates without name parameter X mark.svg Not done
Articles with incorrect citation syntax X mark.svg Not done
Pages with URL errors X mark.svg Not done

which determines if the category is empty or not. I also use ARA, a script that I developed, to help fix citation errors. I haven't used WikiBlame before. JJJ (say hello) 16:01, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Copied from my talk page. --Frze > talk 17:35, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that. I may well add something similar to my user page once I've finished my current spelling list. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:02, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello John. Thanks for your helpful information on help desk. Here is a problem I can't solve: Politics of Ukraine#Parliamentary Election 2012. Thanks. --Frze > talk 17:52, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Fixed, though ideally Template:Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2012 should define its own references. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:00, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

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A bowl of strawberries for you!

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Great support/help from you...!

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My heartful courtesy to you for all your support and help in the creation of Portal:Carnatic music! I will seek your help whenever required. Regards - Selvasivagurunathan m (talk) 04:21, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Yes, either post here or at Portal talk:Carnatic music. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:15, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Marisol (Brazilian soap opera) > = < Marisol (TV series)

It's the same topic in different articles. How to create as one? What's to do? BW --Frze > talk 07:58, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

I have boldly reduced one of them to a redirect. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:21, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Please could you take a look?

Cite error: The named reference CarNL was invoked but never defined

main article LGBT rights in the Americas: reference CarNL not found. Thanks --Frze > talk 12:26, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Took a while to track that one down! Fixed. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:51, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

A small cup of coffee.JPG ... instead os a Barnstar. For helping in citation repair. >>> Have a break, have a kit kat (was a slogan in new east german cinema advertising in the early 1990s) BW Frze > talk 13:13, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
It's a much older slogan than that - Kit Kat says it dates from 1958. But yes, I'll go and fill the kettle. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:27, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
But not for us... is virtually some Saxon cuisine including Nudossi for you BW --Frze > talk 14:17, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Need some help please

Horus Heresy (novels) see thanks --Frze > talk 08:46, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

I've added the missing footnote, but I agree with the tag at the top of the page. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:53, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks --Frze > talk 13:24, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Pages with broken reference names List of Cheers episodes maybe in one of the Seasons pages? Difficult to find and not necessary... BW --Frze > talk 13:24, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

I couldn't see any broken references, so I hit the article with a null edit and then purged the category. That's cleared it. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:46, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict): Maybe Same problem: Complete list of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series Thanks --Frze > talk 13:52, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
No, that was something different. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:14, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks --Frze > talk 10:32, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Category:Pages with broken reference names

Main article problems?

List of Geordie Shore episodes

List of Switched at Birth episodes -- Thanks --Frze > talk 10:32, 17 October 2013 (UTC)


purged both pages... --Frze > talk 10:54, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Beed - see the bottom of the infobox, where you will find "Cite error: The named reference PLACE_BHIR was invoked but never defined (see the help page).". --Redrose64 (talk) 13:51, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
@Redrose64:: Fixed. Nice error > small reflist in the infobox. Never seen before... --Frze > talk 14:24, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Other Problems

List of towns in Canada

List of Latin phrases (full) maybe because of List of Latin phrases (C) -- Thanks -- Frze > talk 14:24, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

OK. I've kludged List of Geordie Shore episodes and List of Switched at Birth episodes for now, but a proper fix needs some recoding of a template. See Template talk:Episode list/sublist#Bug with references in the ShortSummary.
List of towns in Canada is fixed by this edit to List of towns in Prince Edward Island. I hope some bot doesn't come along and unfix it.
List of Latin phrases (full) is fixed by this edit to List of Latin phrases (C). -- John of Reading (talk) 15:28, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
(More) @Frze: I've coded a fix. If my proposed edit is implemented, then my changes to List of Geordie Shore episodes and List of Switched at Birth episodes will have to be undone sharpish. Other "combined" articles might also drop into the "references defined but not used" category. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:27, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
That was not so easy... Thanks a lot. Maybe You could help me / us by sending an additional comment to my proposal at Village pump (technical) #New REFBot? You may also correct my wrong English. It woul be very helpful to get such a Bot. --Frze > talk 17:42, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi John! My idea of a REFBot is now in construction. I hope so at least, see Wikipedia:Bot requests. But: why is my own talk page listed in Category:Pages with broken reference names? Thanks & Best wishes --Frze > talk 12:14, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
You had left out a couple of colons. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:20, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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Congratulations! Would be glad, if you could support my intensions too. > Wikipedia:Bot requests#New REFBot Thank you in anticipation. Wish you a nice weekend. Referencingly Your's Frze > talk 08:11, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
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Dear John,

Please can you remove the "warning" block on the page "GIBSIDE". There are relevant references now attached to this article. Cheers Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:00, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I see you've worked out how to do this yourself. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:35, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

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For your hard work in checking all pages of months by year, adding comments, editing tags and reporting on AWB's bug page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:06, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! -- John of Reading (talk) 09:37, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Month/year pages

Thanks for fixing the AWB edits to e.g. August 2010. I guess I haven't come across those pages before and through the AWB browser it looked like someone had just created little stubs for every month. --Rhododendrites (talk) 13:27, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

That's OK! I raised it as a bug here, and the next release of AWB won't suggest tagging these pages again. Until then, I'll keep an eye on them. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:41, 23 October 2013 (UTC)