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Thank you for your kind response

The links you have posted should be very useful. Wikipedia is a very interesting idea; I have been using it for some time and I suppose I am just now overcoming my fear/ignorance of programming language, which, at first glance, Wikipedia appears to rely on. I was happy to be able to amend an entry and add a reference! It was a real success! I can see that there is a lot of help around... it can tend to be a bit intimidating, but I may try to work at it here and there, and become a more proficient 'editor.'

I am surprised you saw my entry at the help desk. I took it down immediately, once I saw that it had landed in a section containing a picture of cake! I didn't know how to move it. Thanks again for responding; it looks like I may have more questions in the future. If so, I will be sure to write you again! Quiconque77 (talk) 13:16, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for getting back to me. Do feel free to ask more questions, either on this page or at the help desk. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:18, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


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Hello, John of Reading. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Edit filter/Requested.
Message added 07:07, 4 November 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Unforgettableid (talk) 07:07, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'll leave that for the range block experts. I'm just waiting for the next "elevator" edit to turn up in my recent changes patrol. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:20, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


Hi John. Since you are experienced in using AWB, can you teach me how to fix typo errors using AWB. Thanks. JianhuiMobile talk 02:52, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, OK!
To get you up and running quickly, I've prepared an AWB settings file describing a simple typo-fixing run. It's at User:John of Reading/X3. Go there, click "Edit", copy it all into a text file, and save it with a ".xml" file extension. Then...
  • Start AWB
  • From the top menu bar, select "File > Open settings..." and choose the right file
  • At the bottom left, click "Make list". It should give you a list of about 40 pages that contain the typo "derieved"
  • Click "Filter", just below the list, and then "Apply". The list should shrink to about 20 pages.
  • At the bottom centre there are a set of tabs; click the "Start" tab
  • On the "Start" tab, click the "Start" button. AWB will prompt you for user name and password.
  • AWB will load the first article (Ali Arshad Mir?) and show you the diff of the edit you are about to make.
At this point if you click "Save" you will have made your first AWB edit! But I suggest that you first poke around to see how the edit is being made. Go back to the "Filter" dialog to see why the list shrank. Go to the "Options" tab to see the "Find and replace" rule that made the change. Look at the various menus to see what the options are. Then...
  • Decide if there's anything else in the edit box that you'd like to change.
  • Decide if the edit summary, just above the edit box, describes the changes acceptably.
  • Decide whether the edit should be marked as "minor", using the checkbox on the "Start" tab
  • On the "start" tab, click "Save"
  • AWB will save the edit and process the next article from the list
See how you get on! Any questions, do get back to me, or if I don't seem to be online you can ask at WT:AWB. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:33, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
What is a text file? Microsoft Word or what? Jianhui67 talkcontribs 09:10, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
@Jianhui67: Try Notepad or Notepad++ - something that doesn't add its own formatting or data to the plain text. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:22, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! Now I got it. Jianhui67 talkcontribs 10:33, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
@Jianhui67: Those edits look fine except for the one on a talk page. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:05, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
I know. When that list came out, talk pages that have the typo 'derieved' also came out. Can you also teach me how to fix other typos, not just 'derieved'? Thanks. Jianhui67 talkcontribs 11:08, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── To write "find and replace" rules you are going to have to learn a little about regular expressions. There's a tutorial here which I refer to from time to time.

The rules are accessed on the "Options" tab via the "Normal settings" button. In the file I sent you, there is just one rule: find \b(deri)e(ved)\b and replace it with $1$2. That tells the software to search for: a word break (\b); then the letters "deri" and to remember them (the round brackets do that); then the letter "e"; then the letters "ved" and to remember them; and finally a word break. Whenever that search succeeds, the replace rule tells the software to spit out the first set of letters it remembered "deri" and then the second set "ved". The upshot is that the middle "e" is dropped. And because it is remembering letters and spitting them out again, and because "Case sensitive" is not ticked, the rule works correctly with "Derieved" and "DERIEVED" as well as the lowercase "derieved".

Many common typos are fixed by the enormous list of rules here, so those are sort of "built in" provided you have "Regex typo fixing" ticked on the "Start" tab. But even for those you will have to understand the "find" string well enough to work out what to search for. One example to be going on with: the first rule in the E section is labelled "(En/De)cipher" and searches for \b([Ee]n|[Dd]e)cy(phers?)\b. That rule fixes "Encipher", "encipher", "Decipher", "decipher", plus those four words with an "s" on the end.

A short cut to all this, that would get you started without learning any regular expressions, would be to search through my contributions looking for the text "typo(s) fixed". The fixes listed after that prefix are made by the "built in" rules, so if you search for articles containing those misspellings you should find that the software fixes them.

That's all for now; I need to be somewhere else in fifteen minutes! -- John of Reading (talk) 11:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Annville Mill

I was wondering why the content that i am adding is constantly getting deleted, those are the types of flour that are milled at that location. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MCGgirl (talkcontribs) 19:54, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Annville Mill (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
You've already had two good explanations at User talk:MCGgirl#Annville Mill by GraemeL and Jreferee.
Today I deleted two links to external web pages. The Wikipedia guideline on those, at Wikipedia:External links, is quite strict. First, although the words "McGeary Organics" occur in the article, it would be contrary to the guideline for them to be formatted as a hyperlink to their home page - that's in the very first line of the guideline. Second, you added an external link to a page describing one of the flours. Wikipedia already has information on spelt in the spelt article, so there is no need to send readers outside the encyclopedia. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Clarifying the scope of a post

John of Reading: I am new to creating Wiki pages and I have thoroughly read all the warnings about advertising. However, we have had a lot of materials deleted. The Annville Mill is a Flouring Mill and therefore, we want to post detailed information about different kinds of flours, their history and development and uses. I would like, therefore, to establish the Daisy Flour name on the annville mill page. But then, perhaps, it is more appropriate to talk about different kinds of FLOUR on the Wiki Flour page. I notice there is a request for more information, there. Can you help me by monitoring my posts so that all my work is not willy-nilly deleted because a self-appointed editor thinks it is advertising? I want to work with it to make it informational but respectful of your guidelines.--MCGgirl (talk) 15:39, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for posting here.
Your use of "we" in this comment ("we have had.." and "we want to post") seems to confirm that you are editing on behalf of McGeary Organics, so the Wikipedia conflict of interest guideline applies here. I'm sorry to have to point you to yet another Wikipedia guideline!
The Annville Mill page currently mentions Daisy Flour twice and McGeary Organics three times (as of this revision). That's plenty for an encyclopedia article, I would have thought, especially as this is only relevant to the last 13 or so years in an article covering the history of a 260-year-old mill.
The "Production" section of the Flour article has a tag on it asking for more references, not necessarily for more content. You may be able to help there, as somewhere on your bookshelf you probably have a book or two that confirm the statements in the production section and could be added as references. But please don't mention Daisy or McGeary in the Flour article, as that would definitely be seen as promotional. If you wish to use material from the Daisy or McGeary websites as references, I suggest you post suggestions at Talk:Flour so that other editors can review them.
I may know where to find Wikipedia's rules, but I'm not so good at applying them. So while I may keep an eye on your contributions, I will respect other editors' judgements about whether your edits should be allowed to stand. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:34, 12 November 2013 (UTC)


Hi. Can you offer your opinion on this question I've posed? I could really use your thoughts on the matter. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 15:35, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Done -- John of Reading (talk) 15:57, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Cities with most skyscrapers.

Hello I was wondering if you could help me out in constructing a list of cities with the most skyscrapers 150m+, by international standards. The current wiki page has many non referenced accounts of buildings above 100m+. Having a list of cities with most skyscrapers would be more efficient and easier to view and compare. Thanks if you can help out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Logicgold (talkcontribs) 18:07, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, that's not really my thing. You could try posting at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Skyscrapers. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:11, 13 November 2013 (UTC)


the correction that you made at Pioneer Woman (Friedlander) was a copying error. Nice catch, Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:34, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Excellent! Thanks for confirming this one. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:36, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Heavy editing by novice editor of Overconsumption

Would you mind taking a look at the changes to this article, please? --Greenmaven (talk) 09:18, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Here's the combined diff of his edits. After your warning on his talk page, he's given clear edit summaries explaining his reasoning. I'd say he has a point. Try the article talk page if there's anything you'd like to restore. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:30, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for checking this out for me. --Greenmaven (talk) 08:21, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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In appreciation of your great work for Wikipedia. Greenmaven (talk) 08:24, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! -- John of Reading (talk) 09:23, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Khaji as Muslim OBC

Hi, I have read your edited page about Muslim Central OBC list for Andrapradesh

But you have mentioned "Khaji" in that list which I am unable to find in

Do you have any other reference justifying "Khaji" Muslims as central OBC ?

I need this info very urgently... Please help me out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sm.areef (talkcontribs) 06:26, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hi! Although I edited the article a couple of days ago, I only fixed a spelling mistake and didn't look at the article or its sources in any detail. But looking at the history now, I find that "Khaji" was added in this edit in November 2012, long after the rest of the table was created. Since "Khaji" isn't mentioned in the PDF file used as the source for this table, I have removed it from the Wikipedia article.
I can't find any other reference for this. This Google search finds a few pages, but they may well have copied the list out of the Wikipedia article some time in the last year. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:39, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

James Le Jeune

Re James Le Jeune, Thank you very much for your help sorting this out when I couldn't work it out. Much appreciated. (Enuejel (talk) 21:40, 23 November 2013 (UTC))

James Le Jeune (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
@Enuejel: I see that you haven't yet edited Template:Did you know nominations/James Le Jeune, so I've suggested a revised hook there. Let's see what the reviewers make of my second suggestion. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

That hook is fine, especially since you added that he was an artist, I have worked out finally about the hook and how to edit it and will do so if it's rejected. Thanks again. (Enuejel (talk) 11:16, 24 November 2013 (UTC))

Timeline of twentieth-century theatre

What's wrong because of 1940 in literature? Thanks --Frze > talk 09:02, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Fixed by restoring the <onlyinclude>...</onlyinclude> tags -- John of Reading (talk) 09:09, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Archiving Help

I'm looking for help archiving my talk page. I noticed that you are one of the "stalkers" at the MiszaBot III page and thought you could assist. I made the change to ClueBot III and have the code on my user talk page. I want to show the archive box but as you can see it is a mess. I'd like to change to numbered archives instead of dated. Should I just delete the existing archive pages and start over? Your suggestions would be most appreciated! JodyB talk 23:44, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

@JodyB: Yes, that's a mess! Don't delete the existing archives, as none of the archiving bots know how to regenerate them from the history of a talk page.
I'm not so familiar with Cluebot archiving, but these steps ought to work:
I could do this for you if you first delete User talk:JodyB/Archive 1, and ping me here. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:39, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
@John of Reading:Thank you for your suggestions. Can I cut and paste to combine archives? Some would be very small. JodyB talk 11:47, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
@JodyB: Yes, good idea. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:01, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
@John of Reading: Great, thanks. I am working on it and will ask you to take a look once I get everything done if that's ok. JodyB talk 12:04, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @John of Reading:Please take a look. Something is still wrong. It is showing redlinked pages of the old archives which I moved. The ones do not show at all.

@JodyB: This should be OK, as the bot should come along and update User:ClueBot III/Indices/User talk:JodyB for you. Note that the list of archive pages is missing 10 and 12, and has two pages with the old names. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
@John of Reading: Thanks again. I fixed those issues with placeholder pages to make it look nive and got rid of the old stuff. I will wait for the bot. How often does it run? JodyB talk 13:28, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
@JodyB:Special:Contributions/ClueBot III shows it is pretty busy most days, but didn't edit at all on the 23rd. So allow up to 48 hours, I guess. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:36, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

based off of => based on

A candidate for manual typo replacement. Occurs 35 times. Regards, Sun Creator(talk) 00:24, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

OK, I've put it on my "miscellaneous" list. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:43, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting

What`s wrong with Cleveland Point Light? Something in Template:Lighthouses of Queensland? Thanks --Frze > talk 13:45, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I seem to have fixed it. I'm surprised that Harvard reference mismatches put the article in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:29, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
What`s wrong with Commonwealth War Graves Commission? Thanks & best wishes --Frze > talk 15:41, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
I've no idea what was wrong, but a null edit has taken it out of the category. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:20, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── A null didn't take Galatasaray S.K. (football) out of the category. - what's wrong? Thanks --Frze > talk 11:39, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Someone had added a direct call to {{broken ref}} -- John of Reading (talk) 12:32, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks --Frze > talk 07:30, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Russell T Davies > must be something with the main articles? Thanks --Frze > talk 07:30, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Fixed - {{sfn}} doesn't work well inside <ref>...</ref> tags. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:45, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

TW error

If I do [restore this version] Grabbing data of the earlier revision: parsererror "OK" occurred while contacting the API. occurs. Whats wrong? Thanks --Frze > talk 08:48, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Have you turned on any of the "Beta features"? The current versions of "Media Viewer" and "Near this page" both cause Twinkle to break - they are working on it. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:52, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I did. Thanks a lot. --Frze > talk 11:19, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Notes, references, bibliography

copied from my talk page. Dear John - please answer him, I can't with my simple English. Thanks --Frze > talk 12:57, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Greetings Frze, Thanks for all your work on references. You are probably aware this is something I also work on (you have fixed some of my errors, thanks). I wanted to point out a method for setting up notes, references and a bibliography. The article Abingdon (UK Parliament constituency) is an example. The method for creating notes I use is the {{refn}} template with a defined group and using the group parameter in the {{reflist}} template (see example). I use group=n for notes. IMO if a list of general references is not broken out into a bibliography section the reflist should proceed the general references. Just sharing my ideas and methods, thanks again for all your work. Best wishes. - - MrBill3 (talk) 10:01, 28 November 2013 (UTC)


@Frze, MrBill3: Yes, that's a neat way of doing it. But when working through CAT:REF, I aim to make the minimum change needed to fix the errors. I wouldn't change the style of the referencing unless there was some technical reason that the existing style couldn't be made to work. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:59, 28 November 2013 (UTC)


I understand both trying to get things fixed while making as minimal as possible a change. The notes section was more a suggestion for articles that were getting a little more work than the CAT:REF repair. However I do think if you are adding a reflist template to an article that has a references section with no reflist but a list of general references it is important to split them with a bibliography section. The difference in the edit to fix the page is just to make sure that the reflist template is added directly below the references header and that when adding the reflist template below that template add a bibliography header. Easy to create prepared text for pasting. I don't think this qualifies as changing the style as before adding reflist the style was a list of general references and some broken tags. This isn't a strong position I am taking here just talking. Best. - - MrBill3 (talk) 07:52, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Category:Pages with missing references list

Template:Taxobox/core/testcases What's wrong? Thanks --Frze > talk 08:49, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

I think you've fixed this one? -- John of Reading (talk) 08:57, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. Thanks --Frze > talk 08:59, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


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Yes, I remember you telling me about this back in August. If you are trying to submit this as a Wikipedia article, you should look at "Your first article" and perhaps use the "Article wizard". -- John of Reading (talk) 11:05, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Hi! the artist formerly known as eric pickles (talk) 11:46, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! -- John of Reading (talk) 11:47, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Rollback vandalism

Here I pushed button [rollback (VANDAL)]. But the page User talk:AmalieV was not created automatically with a warning text. Why? Thanks --Frze > talk 09:39, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Twinkle doesn't send messages automatically. It should have opened a new tab or window for creating the user's talk page, leaving you to choose an appropriate welcome or warning message. Huggle has a combined "revert and message" function, but I gather that some Huggle users prefer not to use it. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:18, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. I think, Huggle is too large for me. Best wishes --Frze > talk 14:52, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Just to let you know

Just to let you know that for clarity's sake I divided the text in Help_talk:Cite_errors#Namespaces_and_Template:Broken_ref into two sections. I factored your comment and added the signatures accordingly. I am confident you have no problem with this. Debresser (talk) 20:37, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that's fine. Thanks for letting me know. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:39, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing a (relatively) new user in the right direction with a oddball question!

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Thanks for telling me the way I was trying to define values wouldn't work, and pointing me in the right direction; a bit of reading the manual later, and I've managed to accomplished what I set out to do! :D

Have a WikiCookie for your troubles! k2trf (talk) 08:34, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! -- John of Reading (talk) 08:46, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for you copy edit

Thanks for the edit on the Signpost.--Mark Miller (talk) 13:18, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

The Typo Team Barnstar

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John of Reading, you definitely deserve this barnstar! You're probably the all-time leader for typo corrections at 188,290 typo corrections!1 Way to go, keep it up :D Newyorkadam (talk) 01:07, 18 December 2013 (UTC)Newyorkadam
Thank you! Yes, I've been busy...
But looking for the word "typo" in the edit summary may not be the best way to do the counting. Check out Special:Contributions/Chris the speller -- John of Reading (talk) 07:23, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, but depending on the user, it can be changed to 'spelling', 'sp', or whatever. Newyorkadam (talk) 12:13, 18 December 2013 (UTC)Newyorkadam
True. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:29, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you! -- John of Reading (talk) 08:08, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy holidays

JianhuiMobile talk 07:26, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! I must get round to sending some Wiki-cards - what's the last posting date? -- John of Reading (talk) 08:09, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Glad Tidings and all that ...

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Thank you! -- John of Reading (talk) 22:19, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


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for showing me were to find font advisory boxes. LADave (talk) 21:27, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

You deserved this earlier, but I just learned how to give barnstars!

You also advised me on using anchors in conjunction with section renames. That probably saved me hours of tracking down and updating links. LADave (talk) 21:34, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! -- John of Reading (talk) 22:19, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for these fixes to Barbara Bakhmetev. I seem to be not not incapable of not repeating words on occasion when I type. It's very very good that that is something that hawkeyed editors like you are here to fix. Thanks, and merry Christmas! Herostratus (talk) 17:38, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! "not not" is tricky, because occasionally it is correct. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:41, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry X-Mas

The Striezelmarkt in Dresden is one of Germany's oldest documented Christmas markets.

... to you and your relatives - best wishes --Frze > talk 21:54, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! -- John of Reading (talk) 08:35, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry John

So Sorry.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiftedOne(USA) (talkcontribs) 18:45, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Blocked by Mark Arsten. -- John of Reading (talk) 22:22, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Minor edits

Good morning John, I want to mark my edits as minor edits. How can I change my preferences to click v = This is a minor edit below the edit box as standard? Here Help:Minor edit I didn't found an explanation. Could you add it there too? Thanks --Frze > talk 08:02, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

There used to be a preference to do that, but it was removed after many new users misused it. But there's some JavaScript you can use instead. Edit User:Frze/common.js and add either of the code sections from this archived section. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:38, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting

population_ref =({{london ward pop....: What's to do with this edit? Thanks --Frze > talk 20:01, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Chiswick, Kew: same problem. --Frze > talk 20:12, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. That's a tough one for this time of night! -- John of Reading (talk) 22:26, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Wizard Program - there is a sfn error I couldn't fix. --Frze > talk 10:54, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

List of active Bulgarian military aircraft

What's wrong with this page? >>> References and See also sections appear above wikitable. --Frze > talk 10:24, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

That's what happens when the "end of table" marker, |}, gets deleted or damaged. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:20, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year John of Reading!

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Hello John of Reading:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 05:56, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year 2014}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Thank you! -- John of Reading (talk) 07:54, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Jianhui67 talkcontribs 09:38, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much

for helping with my talk page. Have a happy new year!--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:00, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Category:Pages with broken reference names

History of videotelephony - what's wrong? Tanks & best wishes --Frze > talk 11:44, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I couldn't see anything wrong, so I tried a null edit to the page and a purge of the category. That's fixed it. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:01, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Happy New Year: List of hamlets in Saskatchewan I tried my best - what's wrong? See List of hamlets in Saskatchewan: Revision history, La Ronge, Saskatchewan: Revision history. Thanks --Frze > talk 19:16, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
It looks like Hwy43 (talk · contribs) has fixed that one. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:53, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
This fix has motivated me to look into implementing more sophisticated transclusion between List of hamlets in Saskatchewan, List of communities in Saskatchewan and List of municipalities in Saskatchewan. John, are you proficient in this? Please see my recent post at Wikipedia talk:Transclusion#Help transcluding sections to other pages. Hwy43 (talk) 23:59, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Not proficient, but I've had a play with it. I've replied at Wikipedia talk:Transclusion. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:04, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


I said my opinion and isn't this what this talk is all about. I don't think you have any right to do what you did. Now what do I have to change to make it so I can post it. Talk to me as soon as you can math genius like me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ej50bills (talkcontribs) 08:09, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

@Ej50bills: If you can improve the Sexuality portal, then be bold and edit the page. Or, if you have ideas for improving the page but need help in implementing them, post at Portal talk:Sexuality. But please don't post your own essays or thoughts at Portal:Sexuality or anywhere else at Wikipedia, as that's not what the site is for. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:28, 3 January 2014 (UTC).
Thank you for the help. I will keep note of it. Sorry I'm just new to this kind of stuff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ej50bills (talkcontribs) 18:18, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


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Well, this clearly calls for a semihemidemi thank you ! -- John of Reading (talk) 08:09, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

The Tower Bridge

Thank you for correcting my slip. I was the designer of the 1974 alterations to The Tower Bridge ("Tower Bridge" is not strictly correct. I was told by the former Bridgemaster, Cdr. Rabbit RN, that the Bridges is named for its proximity to The Tower of London, not for its shape.). BHA Cromwell House ceased engineering design after my stroke in 2006 (I Can't now drive a pencil!) but still exists and is now a digital cartography specialist at [1]. I have my Tower Bridge page at [2] and a section through the bascule at [3]. The site at [4] is not maintained - we closed the account some years ago and I don't know if Demon will take it down. I can't maintain it (but I'll investigate). I describe my relationship with BHA and link to the TB material at [5], which is why I did as I did. It was to add information to your great original and keep the information alive, not to interfere with it. The red type appeared to invite something. Perhaps you would (if you wish) reply to [6]. Yours aye, Geoffrey Hartwell Geoffrey BH 10:14, 6 January 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeoffreyBH (talkcontribs)

For article names in general, one of the rules Wikipedia follows is to prefer the name that is most commonly used outside Wikipedia (WP:COMMONNAME). So I think you'll have to live without the "The" in the article title.
I think the best thing to do with the red link BHA Cromwell House is to turn it into plain text. Wikipedia only has articles about companies that are sufficiently "notable", in the sense that other people, not connected with the company, have already written about them (WP:CORP). Most companies don't pass this test. I've worked for three software companies, none of which have Wikipedia articles.
(I'll reply by email as well) -- John of Reading (talk) 14:11, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Changing Templates

Hello John - new problems.14:55, 7 January 2014 (UTC)


The templates {{subst:uw-preview}} etc. show no heading and no signature. See:

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Please use the edit summary to explain your reasoning for the edit, or a summary of what the edit changes. Thanks! Frze > talk 14:55, 7 January 2014 (UTC)


Please, could you change the source text, so that they appaer with heading & signature. Here are my proposals for changing, with my simple English. Please improve it to correct English, for VPT. Thanks --Frze > talk

== Use Preview button ==
{{subst:uw-preview| ARTICLE }}--~~~~

== Editsummary needed ==

What's your opinion of adding an useful illustration like mines in the German wikipedia:

Screenshot Zusammenfassungzeile 2014.jpg

>>> Will look like de.WP Vorlage:Zusammenfassung

Hello <USER_NAME>,
thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. However, please BE SURE that you (see picture) have added before
saving the changes always a short comment editing and / or proof of origin in the summary row. Thus, a much
more efficient pre-validation of the version history and the watch lists is possible for everyone.
Thanks and best regards -- ~~~~
@Frze: No, I'm not going to make changes to widely-used templates without discussion. Editors have got used to these warnings, and all the others, not including headings and signatures. Changing the templates in this way would also stop Twinkle working properly. Twinkle adds a "January 2014" header if the user's talk page doesn't already have one, and it allows for an extra message to be placed between the end of the template and before the signature.
Instead of {{uw-editsummary}}, you might like to use {{Summary}} which includes a picture. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:43, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. Are the headings == Editsummary needed == & == Use Preview button == o.k. so if I will use my own template? --Frze > talk 17:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
I think "Edit summary" ought to be two words not one. Otherwise OK. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:44, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Warning: Default sort key "1150s" overrides earlier default sort key "1155".

> 1150s Take a look please -thanks --Frze > talk 15:30, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. Someone had removed the <onlyinclude>...</onlyinclude> tags from 1155. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:36, 8 January 2014 (UTC)


hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:22, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

hi -- John of Reading (talk) 11:01, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


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Category:Pages with missing references list

List of communities in Nova Scotia - what's wrong? Thanks --Frze > talk 10:16, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Fixed --Frze > talk 13:27, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
You've taken it out of the error category, but you haven't fixed the article. Give me a few more minutes, I'm nearly there at User:John of Reading/Sandbox. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:31, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Done - the transclusion at List of communities in Nova Scotia now only picks up the table of 12 municipalities, as it used to before the December edits. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:36, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting: Wizard Program - there is a sfn error I couldn't fix. --Frze > talk 13:39, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Please take a look [1] many thanks. --Frze > talk 12:42, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Fixed with an edit to Template:2014 Meistriliiga table. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

What's wrong 760s? Tanks & best wishes --Frze > talk 20:42, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Remember you asked me about a similar error to 1150s? These articles are built by transcluding parts of the year-by-year articles. In this case someone had damaged the 766 article. Fixed. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:48, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

St. Thomas Christians

Please see note on my Talk page regarding the article on St. Thomas Christians.CorinneSD (talk) 00:24, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Replied there. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:50, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Category:Articles with missing files

Hello John - Why Jestädt appaers in this category? Didn't find a missing image. Thanks --Frze > talk 08:53, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

It was hiding behind a "[show]" link in the infobox. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Just discovered: User:ImageRemovalBot and his contribs --Frze > talk 14:45, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
So if these bots are working properly, you only have to worry about the articles where the image name is incorrect for some reason. Sounds good. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:55, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Help, please: File:Ballard large.jpeg M. Russell Ballard ? + 80px Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (LDS Church) ? -- Thanks --Frze > talk 16:03, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Both fixed with this edit by ChristensenMJ (talk · contribs). I had to purge M. Russell Ballard to make the red link disappear. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:12, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Good morning John - what's wrong Connecticut River Greenway State Park? Thanks --Frze > talk 09:26, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

That was odd. I found the missing file by looking at the HTML source of the page and finding the link to the "Upload Wizard". -- John of Reading (talk) 09:36, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
You are great! Please take a look: Death and state funeral of Nelson Mandela + Lysychansk Thx --Frze > talk 10:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! I fixed Mandela, and the other one has been fixed by another editor. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:14, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Good morning John - what's wrong El Salvador? Thanks --Frze > talk 05:38, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Good morning also! Fixed with an edit to Template:Largest cities of El Salvador. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:28, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Sun is shining, about 15° Celsius in D: Take a look please Line 6, Shanghai Metro --Frze > talk 08:43, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Weather in Reading. There's a redlink in Template:Shanghai Metro/Line 6, which needs an expert. I've posted at Template talk:Shanghai Metro/Line 6. This missing image affects about 30 articles and templates. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:57, 18 January 2014 (UTC)


Special Many Questions
answered Barnstar

thanks a lot --Frze > talk

Reference Errors on 19 January

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Fixed. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:28, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

January 2014

Sorry it was my mistake. Will make sure such things doesn't happen in the future. Thanks Seesiva (talk) 07:13, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

@Seesiva: That's fine, don't worry about it. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:23, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Lord of the Rings

To be fair they are referred to as orcs and goblins in Lord of the Rings, depending on who's voice is speaking. GimliDotNet (Speak to me,Stuff I've done) 18:12, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

True. I did look through that chapter though. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:40, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for your archival fixes.

Turns out it was a minor issue with the coding which I've fixed.

Have a great day,

Cirt (talk) 14:56, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

I've posted at User talk:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:20, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

"the the" to "the"

John, I saw that you like fixing "the the" errors, and I just started doing that using AWB. There's over 4,000 errors, I could certainly use some help :) Details here! -Newyorkadam (talk) 01:35, 30 January 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam

Replied there. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:56, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Replied. -Newyorkadam (talk) 12:20, 30 January 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam

Flag of St Martin

Hi John, thanks for removing the fictional "local" flag from Template:Country data Saint Martin. Can you please also remove the "other information" note at the bottom of the page too as it no longer applies. Note that there are still a few pages that call the local template - I plan to fix all of these this evening. Cheers, Bazonka (talk) 08:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

@Bazonka: I reworded that note, but, as usual, forgot to purge the template page afterwards to make the new wording show up there. If you'd like to remove the note completely, you can edit Template:Country data Saint Martin/doc - that page isn't protected. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:44, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, you're right - I hadn't read the note properly. Bazonka (talk) 18:50, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

January 2014

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Fixed -- John of Reading (talk) 20:48, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Tyop Contest

John, I know you don't really wanna participate in the Tyop Contest, but I really think you should. It's totally ok if you win and don't want to get the prizes. I would really not mind checking to confirm the corrections, so don't worry about that. In fact, I think it'll be fun seeing how with each edit, Wikipedia becomes better :)

Thanks! -Newyorkadam (talk) 02:35, 31 January 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam

Well, faced with an invitation like that... -- John of Reading (talk) 07:28, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
 :) -Newyorkadam (talk) 12:20, 31 January 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam

Portal subpage deletion

Thanks I'll try to remember that. Abyssal (talk) 21:49, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Great work in fixing typos! And by the way, good luck for your Tyop Contest! I wish you all the best. Jianhui67 talkcontribs 13:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! -- John of Reading (talk) 13:55, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for alerting me to add links. I'm new to Wikipedia, and your help and suggestions are priceless! Netherzone (talk) 05:42, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

@Netherzone: Thank you! I've removed the {{Orphan}} tag from ART/MEDIA for you; any time you see a tag that is no longer appropriate, feel free to remove it. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:37, 7 February 2014 (UTC)