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Alexander Allen[edit]

Cheers for the notification. Should we simply redirect Alexander to Sandy? Bobo. 12:56, 6 January 2013 (UTC)


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For you help with the tedious rail usage figures. Simply south...... walking into bells for just 6 years

I've been meaning to give this to you for a while. Keep up the good work. Simply south...... walking into bells for just 6 years 16:28, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh no, it's him again![edit]

On the subject of Leyland, I'm a bit light on material for his early career. I've got Wisden up until the 1925 edition, but nothing after until he plays Test cricket apart from the odd fragment of Cardus and from the Times. I'd be extremely grateful if you could do a quick Wisden trawl for 1925-28, and particularly for the MCC tour of India in 1926-27. And of course, anything else you may have! No urgency on this one, just if or when you have the time and inclination. And I may be back for his later career as there were a few seasons when he began very poorly then scored ridiculously heavily in July and August. Cheers! Sarastro1 (talk) 11:51, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't have Gibson's book, so that would be great. I'm afraid I don't have the Dodd's book, or anything else on him. Sarastro1 (talk) 16:32, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for all that. And the Wisden stuff is actually more useful than it looks. I may be back, cap in hand, before too long! Cheers. Sarastro1 (talk) 17:36, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Really specific one this time! Leyland bowled far more in 1928 than ever before: the obvious explanation being the death of Roy Kilner. I don't suppose Wisden mentions this explicitly for the 1928 season? Sarastro1 (talk) 22:21, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Still in the 1929 edition, the Cricinfo copy of Leyland's cricketer of the year citation says "and a fine forcing game when it is necessary to make runs quietly", which doesn't really make sense. Could you check the original to see if it should say "quickly"? And if it does, what is the page number of the article, and I might change the citation to the paper copy. Sorry to be a pest, but the sourcing should improve from 1928 onwards! Sarastro1 (talk) 22:36, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: A thought[edit]

Yes indeed, I'm certainly better described as more active than I am retired! That sounds like a plan with the names, I'll also add the obscure ones to disambiguation pages. I remember doing the lists of Hampshire players a couple of years back, which took an absolute age, it is a long term plan to get one done for all global first-class teams (daunting). I hope those orphan bots don't become as annoying as my old friend the CorenSearchBot! Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 23:35, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Dickie Dodds[edit]

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DYK nomination of Dickie Dodds[edit]

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Why did I let people know I have lots of Wisdens? Especially that Sarastro...[edit]

I found this on Leyland, and it's rather good. However, there is no author given. I don't suppose you could check who wrote it? And in which case, I probably need the page reference as well... Sarastro1 (talk) 22:59, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

That's odd. I thought you bought them to provide me with obscure page references on Yorkshire cricketers in the 1928 season. All my illusions have been shattered. Sarastro1 (talk) 23:10, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Dickie Dodds[edit]

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G. B. Lee[edit]

Hi John, I asked User:CDTPP if he has anything and he replied with the following. He's new to site and has limited access at present.

Only that he was a private tutor. And from Winchester register. 1861-1903. Rev. Godfrey Bolles Lee, b. 19 March, 1817, 7th s. of Robert Newton Lee, Esq., of Coldrey, Hants. Sch. Win. Coll. 1830; Sch. New Coll. Oxon 1834, Fellow 1836-61, B.A. 1839, M.A. 1844 [University XI. 1838-9, Capt. 1839], College Tutor Win. Coll. 1839-60, Bursar New Coll. 1860-1 ; elected Warden 1861 p 1846. m 5 April, 1866, Emma Nunez, y. d. of Andrew Fergushill Crawford, Esq., M.D., of Winchester. IB 29 Jan., 1903. Inscription in Cloisters. His Son AM Lee was an academic on Micrometry and he published a standard work. His daughter married the son of General Alexander Russell.

Hope this all helps you. Regards. ----Jack | talk page 17:26, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Billy Frank (producer)[edit]

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Proposed deletion of Billy Frank (producer)[edit]

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Wonderful ! Tintin 13:24, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


Thanks, it was doing funny things for me! Sarastro1 (talk) 19:50, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

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Help required : Talk:Hugh Bartlett[edit]

Two sources contradict about how many Peter Smith conceded. Does the match report say anything ? Tintin 04:30, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Somerset cricket task force[edit]

I know you've got plenty to keep yourself occupied with, but I thought I'd let you know that I've set up a "task force" for articles relating to Somerset County Cricket Club. It's mostly somewhere to take stock of what there is, and what needs improving. Given your work on Somerset articles in the past, I thought it might interest you. Harrias talk 16:36, 3 September 2013 (UTC)


Dear Johnlp,

I must apologise for barging in on your work on David Kirby. I hadn't checked to see whether anybody had been working on him recently, and when I looked at the history (after I'd done my bit) I was mortified to see that you had just created his page and were still going.

Please forgive my breach of etiquette. You might find some of my contribution useful; otherwise please feel at liberty to ditch the rest.

It was especially mortifying to me, as I admire your work. Apart from obvious love of the game and respect for the players, you bring a level of literacy and a sense of proportion that are rare among cricket Wikipedians.


Sammyrice (talk) 00:33, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

David Kirby et al[edit]

Thanks for that reassuring message. You will note the date discrepancy from the two Wisdens: did he start in 1963 or 1968? I'll leave that there for a future researcher to solve. As you say, there is so much to do; plenty of work for all of us. I'll try to be careful not to tread on toes in future. But there is still the Battle of Chris Duckworth to be fought...

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The CU player was listed in the ACS guide to CU cricketers as Sir George Elliot 1812 to 1901 one of several Sir George Elliots including the contemporaneous industrialist. The scotish birthdate came later and put him a year younger but it was not a requirement to be in residence to play(IG Peck and JM Brearley) for the university and still isn't. Only the University match requires that qualification. The more famous Admiral Elliot was Scotish and I presume the Admiral GA Elliot, his son was the cricketer - it is too much of a co-incidence otherwise. P Bailey who compiles CA is impossible to shift if he believes something and I presume he has not seen a birth certificate and thus has not appended the 'Augustus' second name. Were GA Elliot a naval officer, he would have attended Dartmouth rather than Cambridge. By the age of 20-23 he would have likely been at sea in command of something. My father in law was a Surgeon Commander and he has free access to the Navy list but it will be December before I see him though I can get him on Skype in about a fortnight (he's on holiday at present). The issue with CA has always been that PB is unwilling to trust all but a few contributors if he himself has not seen the evidence at first hand. Hold on - by chance I have a list or two her and the one for 1848 lists him(on raising to rank of Admiral (age 36) as George Elliot - the Augustus may have been a later affectation. I would say the Admiral G Elliot is certainly the cricketer from 1831. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CDTPP (talkcontribs) 13:14, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

November 2013[edit]

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A passing note[edit]

The discussion on WT:CRIC reminded me that I meant to mention how much I enjoy the stuff that you do quietly on here. I particularly liked looking over Walter Keeton, but you always seem to be up to something worthwhile! There seem to be so few people on the cricket project these days, unfortunately. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:56, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Information on offer.

Hello. I've done only very simple Wiki editing in the past. It is because I've been a keen lifelong family historian that I collected information about William Meryweather because at one time it seemed he might have had some connection to my own Merryweather [sic] family. If anyone would like this miscellaneous material in order to supplement the article, it's freely available from:- Segilla (talk) 22:13, 11 December 2013 (UTC)


Merry Christmas[edit]

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inspired by this - you could do the same

CUCC list[edit]

Hey, apologies. I'd already done substantial work fore I realised you were on same task. Had to decide whether to abandon or carry on. As I had the dates, went ahead. Your list was nearly complete except for the Ws and I had those. A lot of them too! All I needed was the wikinames and I followed your lead on those. I'm doing both unis, Oxford same format – dates, scorecard version of name and then the wikiname. Wikinames hold things up. Each has to be checked for existing use. Well, cool, apologies again. Hope Xmas is good and wish you the best in 2014. --Bill (talk) 12:49, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Aargh, it's him![edit]

Belated season's greetings, and another request, I'm afraid. I'm looking to see if the Abe Waddington article can be beefed up a little, having found some nice juicy scandal about him in the Yorkshire Post just after the War. With that in mind, I think his playing career needs de-statsing to get away from the list of numbers. I'd be ever so grateful if you could check the 1920, 1927, and 1928 Yorkshire summary in Wisden. And maybe the 1929 for good measure. I have the Willows versions of the rest, and get the impression that poor old Abe was not too highly thought of. So any snippets, even just "he was dreadful" would be useful. Cheers! Sarastro1 (talk) 00:19, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Much obliged, thanks! Sarastro1 (talk) 11:23, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

List of Leicestershire CCC players[edit]

Hey and thanks for your help with this. Much appreciated. I can't see wood for trees. Made a point of removing all who played in the war only and didnt think to alter dates of those who started or finished in the war! Must check other lists to correct same oversight if there. Not too many redlinks in foxy land, unlike Lancs and others. Cool. Thanks again. --Bill (talk) 07:43, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Re: Albert or Alfred[edit]

I would be inclined to move the article to A. E. Bailey, and provide both possibilities for his first name, unless we find a third source (that isn't a mirror or copy from one of the others) that clarifies one way or the other. I would be inclined to agree that CA is more likely to be right, but given that he would have been referred to by his initials during his career, this seems the safest way to go for now. Harrias talk 10:21, 5 January 2014 (UTC)


What edit? There was no edit. What are you talking about???? (Furtive glances around...) Sarastro1 (talk) 22:20, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Glamorgan list[edit]

Hey, thanks for correcting the date. You highlighted fundamental problem with templates there! It had been adjusted for Essex and then not for Glamorgan. Dough (or whatever)! Anyway. Done with lists and redlinks now. Away for a month from next week and then start something else when I come back. Probably Sydney Barnes. Doing a bit on Syd Brown in meantime but short of time now. Thank you for your help in last few months. Much appreciated. Hope to pick up with you again in March. Best. --Bill (talk) 08:19, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


Just a word. The administrators on this site are useless so I'll be doing my own policing.GeorgeGrady (talk) 13:27, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't know who you are, though you are of course welcome to comment on my talk page. If your words are meant to imply some form of threat towards me and my activities on WP, then I fear you may have come to the wrong place, because you should know that I really don't bother with that kind of nonsense. Johnlp (talk) 16:07, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, an admin User:NativeForeigner has been conducting a little investigation via the checkuser tool and, guess what, has found that User:GeorgeGrady is yet another example of Guess Who? He must be raising his bat for a double century by now, surely. I won't do anything with the above nonsense but the best thing you can do, as previously advised, is to summarily remove any and all suspicious messages on your talk page, and anywhere else you see them, per WP:DENY, WP:RBI and WP:BMB. I'm checking out tour articles at present, and busy in real life, so not editing much but will put something about tours on CRIC before long. Bye now. HCCC14 (talk) 22:15, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I shall feel very safe now knowing that both of you are policing my page so closely and acting, of course, with my very best interests at heart. Particularly as I'm not around much for the next week or so. Johnlp (talk) 09:08, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Page protection[edit]

I can well understand the frustration you have expressed above (your post on 31 March) but if you had taken steps to get this page protected you would not have to put up with frequent visits from a site-banned user whose purpose is to disrupt the cricket project and make personal attacks on several of its members, using your page as a "safe haven" for his activities. His last post here was removed by an admin (see page history) and I have taken the step of formally requesting page protection here.

Page protection would have minimal to no impact on you because it merely prevents IPs and non-registered users from using the page. Apart from the banned user, your page history shows that no one other than autoregistered users has ever been here. If this page is protected, you will be able to use the site in peace. HCCC14 (talk) 18:11, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Just relax. There's no need to worry about this ongoing disruption. It's trivial. Your concern is noted, as was your serious concern for Harrias and his block. Now I suggest you let us deal with this and do something else, more productive. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:32, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, TRM (and Moondyne). Johnlp (talk) 20:48, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

May 2014[edit]

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DYK for Arthur Coleridge[edit]

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Hi. Firstly, if you don't already know, I replied to your comments on my talk page yesterday. Secondly, I thought you might find this article interesting; it's about the family and their association with Cricket [1]. Thanks, --Noswall59 (talk) 17:17, 3 July 2014 (UTC).

Want a good laugh?[edit]

Try this one. It's the section right at the bottom of the page. Sorry, I really shouldn't be talking to myself, should I? Hope you are okay. All the best. Jack | talk page 11:58, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh dear, it gets worse. Somerset connection, I suppose, but apart from that... I was once bracketed with Sarastro because of the Yorkshire connection although I could never match him as a writer. It's never-ending but, as Churchill used to say, we just KBO. :-) All the best. Jack | talk page 12:13, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

That's new![edit]

I didn't realize people could thank each other for their edits. I should spend some more time around here.

Thank you for liking my comment! I suppose in one sense it's a much quicker way of making it obvious that people have seen a post. Bobo. 10:47, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Every time an inclusion debate comes around, it brings me back to the "One-Test wonder" debate. If it were up to me, there would be an article entitled "List of cricketers with 13 Test appearances"... "..37 Test appearances"... "122 Test appearances"... etc! ;) But then, I'm like that! Bobo. 11:30, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Do we *have* to limit it to Test cricketers? Cricketers? Sportsmen? Humans? That's unfortunate! ;) But seriously, it raises the important debate of "when does a criterion become notable". I will see what I can add. Cheers. Bobo. 11:50, 23 July 2014 (UTC)


Thanks, John. That must be double figures for me now!! I've added his stats summary to the original and applied for CSD of the new one. Oh, and thanks for correcting the list entry too. All the best. Jack | talk page 17:36, 13 October 2014 (UTC)