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Nomination of Lionsgate Building (Toronto) for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Lionsgate Building (Toronto) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lionsgate Building (Toronto) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 02:50, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

It has been deleted. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:17, 1 September 2014 (UTC)


This song is in F major or G major ? Fort123 (talk) 01:05, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Neither. It is in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

This song is closer to G major ? Fort123 (talk) 15:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Close but not exactly. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:03, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

The outro is in a major key or a minor key ? Fort123 (talk) 16:07, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

It is in a major key. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:14, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
This song is in which key ? Fort123 (talk) 23:06, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
E♭ major I believe. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 23:32, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

The G♭ major is present in this song ? Fort123 (talk) 12:39, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, around 0:45. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

This song is in F major ? Fort123 (talk) 18:06, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell, but perhaps so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 00:36, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

This one is clear ? Fort123 (talk) 01:28, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes. It is in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:05, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

G♭ major is present in this song ? Fort123 (talk) 14:41, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

I believe not. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:26, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
At 0:39 until 1:07, it's not in G♭ major ? Fort123 (talk) 17:53, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
It is probably not, especially the arpeggio part. It is more like E♭ minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:58, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Where is the arpeggio ? Fort123 (talk) 13:29, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
On the 0:54 mark. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
At 1:23, it's in G♭ major ? Fort123 (talk) 17:44, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Now I can hear it! I was unsure at first. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:25, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
But I don't know that the arpeggio is considered as G♭ major or E♭ minor. (talk) 20:15, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Me neither. It is hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:10, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

At 0:05, it plays with the xylophone ? Fort123 (talk) 15:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell. It might be a vibraphone or a marimba. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:51, 12 September 2014 (UTC)


Is there a difference ? Fort123 (talk) 15:09, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

The second one almost rhymes with "fire." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


This song is in F major or F♯ major ? Fort123 (talk) 21:17, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

The latter. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:01, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


Have you heard [pœtæt] ? Fort123 (talk) 11:33, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

No. It sounds more like "pu-tight." Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:59, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

TTC horns[edit]

Are TTC streetcars equipped with bells/gongs and horns/whistles as for their audible warning signals? Alex R. (Toronto) (talk) 15:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I have yet to ride on the Flexities, so I am unsure. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


F major is present in this video ? Fort123 (talk) 01:42, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:08, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

These three songs have a different key ? Fort123 (talk) 12:07, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

They all do. The first and the third have the most dissimilar keys. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:57, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
The third is in F major ? Fort123 (talk) 16:32, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
It is halfway between F major and F♯ major, though slightly closer to F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:31, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Which song is in the real G♭ major ? Fort123 (talk) 12:30, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
THe first. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:24, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

When you listen a song, are you capable to guess the key in your head at once ? Fort123 (talk) 20:03, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I have to listen to it a few times before I can determine its key. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:40, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

This key is similar to F major ? (talk) 01:25, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but it is not in F major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:03, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
It is not in G♭ major neither ? Fort123 (talk) 20:56, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
It is very much halfway between F and G♭ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:09, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Belgian accent/Quebec accent[edit]

  • Belgium :
  • Quebec :

The difference is it obvious ? Fort123 (talk) 22:44, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:36, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
The Québécois pronunciation is "tight" ? Fort123 (talk) 11:39, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes. !!!!
Last time, you heard "tate", but you hear "tight" now ? Fort123 (talk) 16:37, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't remember. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:30, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

You hear [kanɑʁ], [kanɒʁ] or [kanəʁ] ? Fort123 (talk) 12:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

The first one. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:20, 26 September 2014 (UTC)


If you listen all the song, F♯ major is present or absent ? Fort123 (talk) 16:28, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
When does F♯ major start ? Fort123 (talk) 11:54, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
At the 1:02 mark. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:13, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Do you hear clearly the key at 0:00 until 0:10 ? Fort123 (talk) 01:34, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:11, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
After 0:10 ? Fort123 (talk) 12:30, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes. It is in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:46, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

This key is obvious ? Fort123 (talk) 15:19, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes. It is in G major, though it sometimes modulated to E minor. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:24, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


[wilsɜn], [wilsɐn] or [wilsɔn] ? Fort123 (talk) 14:18, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

The middle. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:22, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
It rhymes with "jeune" ? Fort123 (talk) 16:47, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
No. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:12, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
It rhymes with "Shawn" ? Fort123 (talk) 12:17, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Very much so. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:32, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


At 0:14 until 0:28, what is the key ? Fort123 (talk) 15:53, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:21, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
The singing part is in G major ? Fort123 (talk) 20:58, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
No. It is in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

This song is neither in F major nor in F♯ major ? Fort123 (talk) 00:15, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

It is in F♯ major. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:06, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
It's lower than F♯, no ? Fort123 (talk) 01:15, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Very slightly. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:54, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

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Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:10, 8 October 2014 (UTC)


Do you hear the key ? Fort123 (talk) 02:08, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

It is in D♭ major I believe. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:11, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

You are not familiar with D♭ major ? Fort123 (talk) 13:15, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Not many songs you gave me are in that key. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:58, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

This key is rare ? Fort123 (talk) 22:15, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Quite rare in fact outside of harp music. Read here: D-flat major Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

At 1:10 until 1:34, it's in F♯ major ? Fort123 (talk) 15:04, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Hard to tell. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:04, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
But is it similar to F♯ ? Fort123 (talk) 21:05, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Might be. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:02, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

A 5:04 until 5:10, it's in E major or E minor ? Fort123 (talk) 02:14, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 02:34, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


You pronounce it [pɛʃ] or [pɛːʃ] ? Fort123 (talk) 13:38, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

The former. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 14:04, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


You pronounce it like her ([ˈmaʊntʰɪn]), right ? Fort123 (talk) 14:46, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes. That is exactly how I pronounce it. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 03:05, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't rhyme with obtain ? Fort123 (talk) 11:12, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
It does to me. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 15:19, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Obtain is pronounced [əbˈteɪn], but mountain is pronounced [ˈmaʊntɪn], mountain actually rhymes with Martin. (talk) 21:18, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
They all rhyme to me, except that "obtain" is slightly longer in duration. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Do you pronounce the word chocolate like him ? (talk) 16:07, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 16:40, 21 October 2014 (UTC)