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मराठी विकिपीडियात लेखांचा मराठीत शोध/अथवा लेखनासाठी ह्या व्हिडिओत दाखवल्या प्रमाणे मराठी आणि नंतर अक्षरांतरण पर्याय निवडा अथवा इनस्क्रिप्ट साठी 'मराठी लिपी' पर्याय, Click on the 'cc to change the subtitle languages to Marathi, English, Sanskrit, Kokani,Ahirani.

मराठी विकिपीडियाच्या सर्व आजी माजी वाचक,संपादक, आणि चहात्यांना अभिनंदन आणि

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India[edit]

You had some good points but I'm removing per WP:TPO, please read WP:INDENT and re-post. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I think I know what you are trying to say at the India talk page about the Churchill content. But I think some copy-paste mistakes have crept in along with some stray characters as well. If I have your permission, I can fix it so other readers can understand your amendment. Zuggernaut (talk) 16:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Please go ahead and amend it. BTW, I only made changes to the last sentence.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Deshastha Brahmin[edit]

The edit you undid recently was of a GA reviewer who failed the article for dubious reasons. I've asked for an explanation. Zuggernaut (talk) 01:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Indira Gandhi[edit]

I have reverted your edit there. We should not add our personal ideas to wikipedia articles, we should add notable information supported by secondary reliable sources. Claims of corruption (true or not) fall under WP:REDFLAG. Regards. Materialscientist (talk) 22:30, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

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An Invite to join the WikiProject Indian Roads[edit]

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Anthromorphic[edit]

You have used the word anthromorphic on the Kurmi page, share anthromorphic features, what do you mean by anthromorphic?Yogesh Khandke (talk) 05:22, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Yogesh, Anthromorphology stands for physical features of a particular community or race. Other definitions I have seen on the web include, structures built by humans such as the pyramids. Risley was chief of the 1901 census of India. Unlike the present system, in those days the British colonial authorities counted every caste and sub-caste in India, for example, Marathi deshastha and karhade brahmins . For the this particular census , he also measured physical features of all the castes that were studies. The features includeed length and breadth of the nose, shape of the head, skin colour and height. I may have missed or added a feature here or there. I am using the word anthromorphic studies for this project. I don't think I coined this word. If you use anthromorphology with the word racial then you will get several hits. Hope this helps.67.184.12.136 (talk) 14:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Sharad Pawar, Smita Patil, Sandeep Patil, Atul Gawande, Rajnikant, Lalita Pawar[edit]

...all are being claimed as Kunbi in the List of Kunbi. Do you have sources so I can add to the main Kunbi article. Related discussion is at WT:IN#Kunbi Zuggernaut (talk) 01:54, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't have direct references but all of the above would be regarded as Maratha. Now the border between who is the socially high ranking 96 kulee Maratha and who is "plain" or Kunbi-Maratha is not clear. I have rarely come across a Maratha who wanted to differentiate himself as 96 kulee. Rajnikant started his working life as a bus driver in Bangalore so I doubt that he is from the 96 kulee. Sharad Pawar's family background is that of small farmer. Smita Patil came from a middle class background. Lalita Pawar starting her career in the 1920s or 1930s cinema and could not have come from conservative 96 kulee. As I suggested on Talk: Kunbi, the article should be merged with Maratha. The Maratha identity is very fluid. For example, Jijabai was from the Jadhav family but married a "Rajput-Maratha" Shahaji Bhosale. The 96 kulee do not have any bar against accepting as their brides, women from the kunbi families, however, they refrain from offering their daughters to the kunbis. However, centuries of hypergamy must have produced a 96 kulee population that is indistinguishable from the kunbis. I rarely heard anyone putting the suffix kunbi after Maratha. However, as you say in the article, the government of Maharashtra declared the kunbis as OBC. That act must have started the reverse process of Marathas identifying themselves as kunbis. Now getting back to the topic of discussion, I will look for references on the family life of the people you mention. Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 03:39, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Kunbi cousins[edit]

That was a good catch by you, thanks. I was trying to avoid close paraphrasing etc and I must admit to sometimes being fazed by the entire issue of family relationships - I have to think twice before naming my own cousins! It raises an interesting point (to me, at least) about the specifics but I do not know where to find out more about it, eg: the distinction between marriage to a female cousin via the male sibling of a mother's versus, say, a male cousin of that sibling or the ... well, the permutations are beyond me. Is it really that well defined, or is it just an example chosen by the source? To be clear, I am not doubting you in the slightest, although the "close cousin" rephrase does seem to advance things no further if the issue is as specific as this. Do you know of any source (not necessarily specific to Kunbi) that could help me to understand this? I rather think that it may be connected to the matrilineal concept but am genuinely at a loss. - Sitush (talk) 00:57, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Amongst the Hindu communities that practice or used to practice Cousin marriage, it is always cross cousins and never between parallel cousins. For example, I can marry my mother's brother's ( maternal uncle's) daughter ( we will be cross cousins) but not my father's brother's (paternal uncle's) daughter ( we will be parallel cousins). Again, cross cousin marriages are seen mostly in Hindus of central and Southern India but not in the North. Amongst the muslims, in India and elsewhere, there is no bar against cross or parallel cousins marrying. The UK government , I believe, is running a campaign against cousin marriage amongst the UK muslim communities to discourage this practice in order to reduce the incidences of genetically inherited diseases.[1] I hope this helps. Jonathansammy (talk) 14:37, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Si tush, if you have access to archives of New Scientist magazine at a local Uni, then please search for an article on cousin marriages in southern India. I remember reading it in the 1990s. This also touched on the subject of maternal uncle- niece marriage amongst south Indian Hindu communities.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:31, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

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India Image Vote Results Disagreement[edit]

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Thank you for voting in the India Demographics Image Vote. I have counted the results of the vote and displayed them here. The top 8 images with the most votes were displayed.

Unfortunately, User:Fowler&fowler believes that he should be the one that gets to pick the final images, despite the fact that all of us have voted. He has called me disruptive, and when I tried to explain myself, he has reverted my explanation on the talk page twice!!! How can a user just delete someone else's comments on the Talk page?

Wikipedia consensus says that the images that most people have agreed upon should be the ones in the rotation. One user can't just pick his own images when all of us have voted. What's the point of voting then?? I am not sure what to do.

Since you voted, please post your opinion here. Thanks. Nikkul (talk) 02:54, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Kunbi[edit]

Since the Marata versus Kunbi ambiguity exists in the sources (and this is pretty uniform across multiple reliable sources), Wikipedia rules such as WP:OR will not allow us to draw a clear line clarifying who is who. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:33, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Agree. However, I believe most of what you say under the Maratha-Kunbi can be covered in the Maratha article.Jonathansammy (talk) 20:21, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

People will argue it belongs in both Maratha and Kunbi articles. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Citing[edit]

A while back you asked for help on how to use the {{sfn}} template. It's really a simple two step process. Sfn works in conjunction with the {{citation}} template. For the Kunbi article, to use the Hanlon work on Phule, you would have to first add the citation in the sources/references section like this:

Step 1: Add citation in sources/references section

Step 2: Use the sfn template like this: {{sfn|O'Hanlon|1996|p=x}} or {{sfn|O'Hanlon|1996|pp=x-y}}

I've already taken care of step 1 so you can directly start adding content and cite it with {{sfn|O'Hanlon|1996|p=...

You know the environment there. Good luck. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Over the weekend when I will get some time for researching and editing this article. I will use the above at that time. Cheers Jonathansammy (talk) 15:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

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Brahminical v non-brahminical[edit]

See Brahmanism. Brahmanical worship constitutes of yajnas, Vedic hymns, Sanskrit stotras, elaborate ritualistic pujas where Brahmins preside et al. Non-Brahminical worship in Varkaris evolves "spiritual" worship with singing Vithoba's praises in form of abhangs or repeating his name or just darshan without ritual pujas. Non-Brahmanical worship in the Khandoba cult includes folk traditions like hook-swinging or fire-walking, non-vegetarian offerings. The articles do not say Brahmins do not worship Vithoba and Khandoba. They do worship, however the predominant cult/sects devoted to these deities are non-Brahmincal in nature. --Redtigerxyz Talk 17:02, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

About Vithoba/Khandoba devotees, even Brahmins may indulge in non-Brahmanical worship while worshipping the deity or vice versa. But the predominant worship is non-Brahmanical in nature. Hinduism has evolved and there have been changes, like women performing yajnas, the blurring of casteism in urban centres et al. An article can be written if sufficient references are found. I am not much in such Hindu society articles (more into deities and epic figures), but I can help you if you can find the references and start an article. --Redtigerxyz Talk 18:18, 25 January 2012 (UTC)


Kayastha[edit]

Hello, you keep adding the same content that has been deemed inappropriate without initiating any discussion on the article talk page as to why it should be included. Please note that continued insertion of identical content is called "edit warring" and repeated actions will result in a block. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:32, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

To be clear, you are just about to cross 3 reverts in 24 hours; doing more than that is almost always grounds for a block (we call it a bright-line rule). Until you can address the substantive problems with your suggested addition on the talk page, the information should stay out. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:25, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


WP:AFC draft with Marathi sources[edit]

The draft Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dnyanesh Maharao is heavily based on Marathi sources. Could you please have a look whether the sources establish notability and serve to verrify the draft's content? Thanks in advance, Huon (talk) 02:10, 22 April 2013 (UTC)


Bachchan[edit]

The issue of mentioning caste for Bachchan and his family has been discussed on the article talk page. There is also a link at User:Sitush/Common#Castelists. Trying to get round WP:BLP by referring to his family rather than the man himself creates an inference and is not acceptable. - Sitush (talk) 14:12, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


Shastri and Kayastha[edit]

Please do not use search terms such as "lal bahadur shastri kayastha" when researching on Google etc. Such terms produce false or tainted results. For example, they exclude the possibility that the subject's caste is disputed. It is poor use of such searches that has given rise to the horrendous mess regarding caste and their associated varnas on Wikipedia (eg: people searching for "nair kshatriya" inevitably find results to support that claim but they generally omit the fact that it is not universally accepted). I'll do a search myself and find something better, just by reading around "lal bahadur shastri". - Sitush (talk) 17:56, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. - Sitush (talk) 18:25, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

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I don't think that it is contradicted with ashvamdedha. Ashvamedha seems to be vedic sacrifice with no importance for this age. You cannot add "many holy texts" or "many scriptures", unless there is some scripture that promoted or allowed animal sacrifice. OccultZone (Talk) 17:51, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

The Yajurveda mentions animal sacrifice. Also saying "Hinduism forbids animal sacrfice" is such a sweeping sentence that is totally divorced from the reality of thousands of animals sacrificed across India in temples of Kali, Bhavani, Ekvira etc. If you say the Vaishnavism, the largest sect of Hinduism forbids it then I can understand. I hope it is clear what I am trying to say. Let us carry on this dialogue on Talk page of the article itself so others can take part. thanksJonathansammy (talk) 18:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

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