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Josh you are a major insult to my Ego you have beat me several times in reverting vandalism we need more people like you --Zaharous (talk) 02:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Aww shucks, tweren't nothin! Glad to help! Josh3580 (talk) 02:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

AWB and contractions[edit]

While contractions (didn't, don't etc) are discouraged on Wikipedia, they are not "typos" and should not be marked as such. (AWB Rule 4: Avoid making insignificant or inconsequential edits.) Furthermore, you are sometimes altering direct quotations! [1] [2] Please check your work so far and revert where necessary. Xanthoxyl < 10:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I apologize for the corrections in direct quotes, AWB RegExTypoFix is supposed to automatically skip any contractions in quotes. The examples you gave had either no quote marks, or quotes that spanned across multiple paragraphs, which must have confused the algorithm. I apologize for those mistakes, that was negligence on my part for not paying closer attention as I was editing.
However, I disagree that contractions should not be expanded using WP:AWB. On WP:AWB#Rules of use, examples of inconsequential edits include:
  • Only adding or removing some white space
  • Moving a stub tag
  • Converting some HTML to Unicode
  • Removing underscores from links (unless they are bad links)
  • Bypassing a redirect
  • ...or something equally trivial.
According to WP:Basic copyediting, "Unless part of a quotation, contractions (don't, can't, etc.) should be changed to non-contracted forms (do not, cannot, etc.)."... This causes me to disagree that such changes are inconsequential. Also, the WP:AWB/Typos project recommends using the [[WP:AWB/T|Typo fixing]] summary for any corrections identified from the RegExTypoFix database, so that false positives can be identified and reported. I'm not sure how else to tag the edits, other than just typing "clean up," which is much less descriptive and robust.
Thank you so much for your feedback. It is always helpful to take a fresh look at things! I will pay closer attention in the future. -Josh3580talk/hist 21:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

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Huggle 3[edit]

Hey Josh3580! I am Petrb, one of core developers of Huggle, the antivandalism tool, which you are beta testing (according to I am happy to announce that Huggle 3 is ready for some testing. You can read more about it at WP:Huggle/Huggle3_Beta. Please keep in mind that this is a development version and it is not ready for regular use. That means you must:

  • Watch your contribs - when anything happens you didn't want, fix it and report a bug
  • Frequently checkout source code and build latest version, we change it a lot

If you find any problem with a feature that is supposed to work perfectly, please let us know. Some features are not ready yet, it is listed in known problems on Huggle3 beta page, you don't need to report these - we know it! So, that's it. Have fun testing and please let us know about any problems, either using bugzilla @ or #huggle connect. Please respond to my talk page, I am not going to watch your talk page. Thank you Petrb (talk) 10:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Huggle 3 beta is out - and we need more feedback![edit]

Hey Josh3580, how are you? I am Petrb, one of huggle developers, and you are currently subscribed as a beta tester of huggle on meta (meta:Huggle/Members. You may not have noticed, but this week I released first beta precompiled installers for ubuntu and microsoft windows! Wikipedia:Huggle/Huggle3_Beta has all the links you need. So if you can, please download it, test it and report all bugs that is really what we need now. Don't forgot that as it's just a beta it's unstable and there are some known issues. Be carefull! Thank you for helping us with huggle Petrb (talk) 16:21, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Your stepping on my toes, bro![edit]

"Micro llamas" and "lego structure turtle building syndrome" there all real!!!! Look it up before you start stepping on my toes!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Please cite your sources if your edit contained a valid fact. The phrase "lego structure turtle building syndrome", as well as "lego building turtle disease" both bring up zero results in Google. Dubious at best, vandalism at worst.Josh3580talk/hist 20:48, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
You must have laughed a bit I thought. I thought I might make your job as a page patroler a bit funnier seeing as though its the most tedious,boring,saddest and suicide enducing 'job' in the world and its people like me that keep you in this line of work. Love you!! xxxx — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:00, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Your comments could be construed as uncivil. I volunteer my time. My patrolling is at my leisure. You and I don't know each other at all, so let's keep our discussions to article content.Josh3580talk/hist 05:34, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Deleting my objective posts[edit]

Hello Josh, I'm not promoting the alf nor bite back, I'm telling the objective truth like a journalist, I'm doing what's right please look on there site left hand side below pgp key, they're not random links,they're citations. Here's the link: — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) idiot (me), I accidentally I 1 000 000% assure you deleted these links, it was an error, sorry, now that I've told you that, I'll re-edit.

Hello. Deleting referenced content without discussion and consensus on the article's talk page is anything but objective, it is unconstructive. If you feel that the citations are not reliable, by all means start a discussion on the article's talk page, but don't unilaterally remove referenced material.Josh3580talk/hist 20:44, 7 December 2013 (UTC)


Is there a greater source than this guy's name (Muhammad)? Whoever provided the guy's name, I provide him as my source too. If his name was written wrong, then why aren't you deleting it as well? But if that's his real name, then it shows he is Muslim. Can there be any greater proof than this? His name is Muhammad and he will be Buddhist in that period?! Is such a thing possible at all? Moreover, not only him but all the rulers are labelled as Buddhist? What a stupidity!

So,the those calling him as Buddhist, what sources have they provided, can you tell me? Just stop palavering. This is obviously the infection of Burmese assimilation against those Muslims on the internet platform... — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:13, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

If you are correct, you will have no problem in citing a verifiable, reliable source for all of the articles you have changed from "Buddhist" to "Muslim." Making such changes en masse to a vast number of articles without citing a source appears to be vandalism, and will be reverted. Hope that clears things up. —Josh3580talk/hist 20:20, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

The resources that you have shown aren't reliable? I told you my resources are the same with yours. I mean he was a Muslim based on the same resources. In those resources that you have given in all those articles all the "Shahs'!" names are Muslim names, moreover they are prophet names! If they were Buddhist why would they adapt such names? Are you sure you are really conscious? In other words, in the resources that have shown, all the Shahs had Muslim names. Do you mean the sources that you have given are not reliable? Because they all say these guys have Islamic names but you still insist they are Buddhist. Are the sources are not reliable? Or is that you that is not reliable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:34, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I haven't cited any sources, because I am not making changes to the article content. You are the one making the changes, and therefore the burden of proof lies with you as the contributing editor. If you feel like information is incorrect on a specific article, find averifiable, reliable source, such as a news article, to support such a change. Things like "personal knowledge" or "common sense" are primary sources, and not acceptable as a basis for information in an encyclopedia. Not to mention the fact that people don't choose their own names under normal circumstances. Besides, it's the fact that you are changing articles en masse, without citing sources, that makes this look like vandalism, and you haven't really convinced me that you are interested in adhering to the policies I have referred you to. —Josh3580talk/hist 20:40, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

My friend, I already told you that in the current sources in those articles, they say these people have Muslim names. Why do you force me to provide you further resources? You say "Not to mention the fact that people don't choose their own names under normal circumstances." Very well, parents name their children under normal circumstances as you say. So if the previous ruler was not Muslim, why would he name his son with a Muslim name? Your words are definitely causing a paradox... Why would whole dynastic line carry Muslim names if the previous ruler was not Muslim?

By the way, you might think that these Muslim names were given them by other Islamic states due to their relationships. But in Islam, infidels can not carry Muslim names, so no any Muslim ruler in the world would give an infidel ruler an Islamic title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:54, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Look, I understand and appreciate what you are trying to do. I don't disagree with your purpose, as we all want Wikipedia to contain correct information. However, you didn't explain any of this when you made the edits. If the source states the opposite of what is in the article, then put that in your edit summary when you make the change. Just changing it without explaining is what caused the red flag. I pick through all of the recent changes throughout the encyclopedia, and I have to be sure that people aren't adding incorrect information. Use a clear edit summary when you make these changes, point to which cited source has the correct information, and state that you are changing it to match the cited source. Your statement about "infidels" not being allowed to have Muslim names is exactly what is NOT appropriate, as you would need to back that kind of statement up with a source. You have to make sure and clearly document this sort of thing. I mean no disrespect, I am just trying to be sure that the correct procedure is followed. Thank you, —Josh3580talk/hist 21:02, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I know you have no ill intentions and we are both here to improve the realibility and quality of the informations in wikipedia. Did the guy who wrote they were Buddhist explain anything? Anway, I have found lots of resources related to our topic and will list them here respectively:

Check these websites and you will see the heavy influence of Islam in Burmese history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:56, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

I honestly don't know if the editor who made that change supported it properly, as it is recent changes that I watch. You see, I get a list of all edits to Wikipedia as they happen, and if any of those edits are not supported by properly sourced information or otherwise explained, I undo them. Verifiable, reliable sources must be cited for any edits, but I don't always see old edits. I honestly believe that your edits were most likely correct, but that doesn't change the fact that you still have to cite a source in the article. I apologize if I upset you originally, this has nothing to do with you or I, but about the policies that the community has established. If I had been online when the editor entered "Buddhism," and they didn't cite a source, I would have reverted them as well. Thank you for keeping the dialogue open, I really do appreciate it. —Josh3580talk/hist 15:32, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

MPs, Orwell, Jack, Hansard, food banks, etc[edit]

Thank you for your assistance in dealing with the recent random outbreak of Orwellism (or whatever it may be).

As a tangential curiosity that may be of interest, I do have some sympathy for Jack Monroe ("a girl called jack"), and in fact still have a copy of the London Evening Standard that featured a lengthy profile of her. I originally planned to use it to create a Wikipedia article about her; but it turned out that someone else had already done so long beforehand.

Jack is silly, though, to think that only unemployed people do things like buying Value/Basics supermarket items, or turning off the LED clock on the oven to save electricity. I've been doing the latter on environmental grounds since the early 1990s (much to my parents' annoyance), and, come to think of it, even my parents buy value supermarket products occasionally.

Having said all that... some of the rest of her blog makes hard reading.

The original facts about the vote are indeed in Hansard, so one doesn't need Jack's blog to verify them. One of the other concerns is that the Orwell fellow was using the data... selectively. (i.e., did any Liberal Democrats vote against the proposal, and if so, did he edit their articles too, and if not, why not?) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. You seem to see exactly where I was coming from here. It was POV-pushing, plain and simple. Think how messy political articles would become if we included every vote they have ever made? This was more of the issue I had with the edits, although it is still true that her blog is not quite a verifiable, reliable source. I hope I didn't give the impression that I was passing any judgement on her or her work, that had nothing to do with my reversions. That was the source that was cited, and it's just not a source to base encyclopedic content on, you know? Thank you for seeing where I was coming from, and thank you again for your comments, honestly. —Josh3580talk/hist 22:54, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I would like for you to confirm that you aren't a BOT...[edit]

I feel like the only messages I'm getting are automated. Not acceptable.

I removed bits under the roster section of the New England Patriots because It was all messed up. But now it's fixed somehow... 06:28, 18 January 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theroux721 (talkcontribs)

I'm definitely not a WP:BOT, but I do use WP:HG, WP:TW, and WP:AWB to do recent changes and new pages patrolling. They allow me to pick a choice from a list for vandalism or WP:CSD, and it inserts Wikipedia's standard templates. I have to physically click each edit I make, but no, I do not have to type the messages in each time. Hope this helps,  —Josh3580talk/hist 16:20, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Congratulations, you are first to pass the Turing test! Please inform your operator. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:07, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Hah! Thanks for the congrats, Demiurge1000 (talk)... Skynet is here to stay! Reminds me of the insurance "robo-calls" in recent news... Reporter: "Say, 'I am not a robot'." Robot: "I am a real person." Reporter: "No, say the words, 'I am not a robot'." Robot: "I am a real person." Here's the article and recording. —Josh3580talk/hist 18:17, 18 January 2014

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Mass suicides in 1945 Nazi Germany[edit]

What about my edit of the Mass suicides in 1945 Nazi Germany page was vandalism? I even included a link to another wikipedia page, so it's not like I was just making up stuff on there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Actually, the problem was that you didn't cite a verifiable, reliable source for your contribution. I apologize for mistakenly issuing the vandalism template, instead of the unsourced template. I have fixed that now. —Josh3580talk/hist 03:05, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Also, I see that you have removed other warnings - that is perfectly acceptable. These messages are to inform you, not notify other users about the history. You are free to remove things from your talk page that you don't want on there, as everything is logged in the page edit history. —Josh3580talk/hist 03:09, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
But I included a link to another wikipedia page.
Doesn't the inclusion of that in my edit count as sourced material? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:29, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for asking, that's a very interesting question. It may seem counterintuitive, but since Wikipedia can be edited by anyone at any time, is not considered a verifiable, reliable source for the purpose of citation. Please see WP:CIRCULAR for the official explanation. Your best bet is to cite a book or news article, and you can find more information on how to do that at WP:Citing sources and Referencing for beginners. I believe that your contribution is probably factually true, but it does have to be properly sourced. Thanks, —Josh3580talk/hist 03:37, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Jacob Epstein[edit]

Epstein. You are wrong. I have done extensive research on his residence in Loughton, using primary sources. He rented no 49 Baldwins Hill in c 1922 from the exors of the Hicks family. A large shed in the rear of this house (extant) is where various of his large sculptures were created. In 1933 a larger house opposite became available (present nos 50-52) and he moved there. The house was subdivided again after his death. The plaque was put on no.50 because it was occupied at the time by an influential person. 40 should read 49 in the edit - sorry. See my Buildings of Loughton and Notable People of the Town,2nd ed Loughton 2010 entry Epstein. Chris Pond— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 08:34, 28 January 2014

Just make sure you cite a verifiable, reliable source for your contribution. Also, please familiarize yourself with the Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Primary sources policies. —Josh3580talk/hist 17:57, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

The change I've made to List of computer science conferences[edit]

I happen to be an active researcher (and some of the conferences have website which list the proceedings).

Would a link to DBLP (the data base of publications in CS) a proof that the conferences are real? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:19, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

I can't promise that it's all you need; that decision will made by a WP:CONSENSUS with other editors. Of course, it would definitely be much better than external links to the conferences' websites. It's doubtful, but there may possibly be someone out there who would push back based on the WP:SOURCE LIST or WP:NOT#DIR policies, but that's no reason not to add them (with your sources), since a WP:CONSENSUS of editors will iron out the exact details. Hope this helps, —Josh3580talk/hist 21:28, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Changes I made to Codecademy[edit]

Here is my citation: — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:44, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh, the 2,222 figure seems totally legit. Please add it back, and put in your edit summary that you are updating the stat based on the updated source. It was the "these classes teach users..." sentence that was unsourced. I apologize for the confusion. —Josh3580talk/hist 04:47, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Edits to Tizanidine[edit]

yu should not mess with this your not a dr. if so i wanna see statements.! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:22, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh, gosh. You are right. On this drug-related article, I should have left your contribution which stated, "This really is a bitch! shes in my head! and i think shes on my computure i got a key logger. peace deleted bitch!" How constructive of you. —Josh3580talk/hist 05:26, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Come on Josh, produce your medical credentials ;) Flat Out let's discuss it 05:28, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Dang, I know I had it here... Somewhere... —Josh3580talk/hist 05:30, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Richard Morton Musical Comedian and Composer[edit]

Hi Josh I'm trying to add references to this new page I've created… and you've marked for deletion Please could you give me some guidance? I'm looking through the wizard but I'm getting into a bit of a panic. The article contains very well researched quotes but at the moment they're all in the article If I put them into the references bit will that mean you won't delete it? and how do I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktwhitehouse (talkcontribs) 15:52, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

If you properly cite verifiable, reliable sources, the article will not longer qualify for deletion under the WP:BLPPROD policy.  —Josh3580talk/hist 16:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Orthodox Presbytarian Church[edit]

Hi there, you reverted one of (talk)'s edits on Orthodox Presbyterian Church for " 'unexplained content removal' " which was removal of Citation needed tags I had placed there to avert an edit war (or rather stop one that was gaining steam, I shouldn't have edited WP while angry).

Is there any chance you could spare a minute to have a look at the discussion on the talk page and help the two of us work out why we're working at cross purposes? Thanks in advance SPACKlick (talk) 16:41, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

User:Tsoro Deep,page[edit]

hi ;—Josh3580talk/hist thanks for restoring this article but can you delete this page along with this one User:Tsoro Deep/sandbox again, I'm still new on Wikipedia so I'm learning on how to edit and I've make a mistake and saved it - Bobbyshabangu (talk) 9:43, 31 January 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbyshabangu (talkcontribs)

Actually I cannot delete pages, only an Administrator can do that. Even if I could, these pages belong to User:Tsoro Deep, and only that user can request for the pages to be deleted. You do have your own sandbox at Special:MyPage/sandbox as well as the Public sandbox to play around with, if you want. Also, the signature you are using is pointing to the wrong place. Wikipedia will create this for you automatically if you add four tildes at the end of your post, like this: ~~~~ —Josh3580talk/hist 17:53, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Hey Josh. I see you've made a number of constructive edits on Wikipedia. Therefore, that simply constitutes a barnstar. 'Nuff said. Hehe, no really, I think you deserve this. K6ka (talk | contribs) 04:11, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, K6ka (talk| contribs)... Much appreciated!!! —Josh3580talk/hist 17:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

James McCann[edit]

I don't understand why McCann should have his own page when players just like him, such as Ramon Cabrera and Melvin Mercedes, must share a page. I think McCann belongs on the Tigers' minor league players' page, because he is just a Minor League player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:10, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Tony Briggs Photographer/Director[edit]

Hello Josh3580, I am trying to update my photography and director credits on several pages; Bill Bailey, Frankie Boyle, Alan Davies and Ocean Colour Scene amongst others. I am directly involved in all of these projects as I am the sole photographer and/or director and I am the original source. I own the rights to all of my images detailed and my contracts show I am to be fully credited. Please see I am represented World Wide by Camera Press and members of the NUJ (National Union of Journalists) and The LPA(London Photographic Association) Thank you Tony Briggs Campions (talk) 20:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Please familiarise yourself with the WP:COISELF WP:COI policies. Making edits about yourself, especially unsourced edits, is strongly discouraged and can be challenged and removed. —Josh3580talk/hist 20:28, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I am not trying to make any editorial or unsourced edits but add my factual credit to my published work. As I can not add credits myself I'll pass the matter onto the Camera Press and The Association of Photographers, for advice on obtaining credits as per terms of my legal binding contracts.Campions (talk) 20:35, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Again, the veracity of your edits is not at issue. It is the fact that you are basically referencing yourself as a source. Just check through those policies I linked for you, they lay out all of the details. —Josh3580talk/hist 20:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Will do, thanks.Campions (talk) 20:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

99% Invisible[edit]

Hello Josh3580, Curious why the inclusion of information about the network the show belongs to was considered to be inappropriate. Nearly every Wikipedia entry for television shows makes reference to the networks that carried the show, so it certainly seems like standard practice. The reference or external link for most shows appears to be the official page or a page on the network's website. This seemed to be standard practice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farski (talkcontribs) 05:48, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

The problem was that you listed a link to where the product was available as a reference. This is not a reference. Perhaps if the network issued a press release about starting the show, that might be a verifiable reliable source. Just linking to where you can find the product is not a reference. —Josh3580talk/hist 05:51, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough. I have changed the reference to the official press release. Would it be inappropriate to, additionally, list the network's website as an external link, as most other productions from networks tend to do? Farski (talk) 06:14, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Maybe. See WP:ELNO. I would tend to allow it myself, if you made it clear in your edit summary that you were including an external link to the network that premiered the show. However, WP:CONSENSUS is a funny thing. *I* would say it is fine, but I can't promise you that someone else might not disagree. —Josh3580talk/hist 06:58, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[edit]

Hi Josh, I saw your warning at this user's talk page. Just a heads-up that they appear to be a single-purpose account that is here to promote a site called I've brought the site up at WP:RSN (if you have a second to contribute your thoughts, that would be appreciated, but no pressure...) because it doesn't appear to meet WP:RS, and I noticed also today that their website has reprinted content from the article on Mohanlal, then inserted their site as a reference in the very same article that they have reprinted. So it's both shady, and disruptive. Anyhow, heads-up. I'll shut up now. :D Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:47, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

ClueBot NG Keeps Changing My Things That are Correct[edit]

Hello Josh3580, I just wanted to let you know that I keep correcting this one page, and ClueBot NG keeps saying that I am wrong when I am not. The page is For Archbishop Carroll High School in Radnor PA, and Mike Costanzo went to that school and he is a professional baseball player for the Cincinnati Reds, and ClueBot NG keeps incorrectly editing it saying that he plays for the Washington Nationals even though he doesn't anymore. Please help, and if even have a tab to prove that he plays for the Reds,

ClueBot NG Keeps Changing My Things That are Correct[edit]

Hello Josh3580, I just wanted to let you know that I keep correcting this one page, and ClueBot NG keeps saying that I am wrong when I am not. The page is For Archbishop Carroll High School in Radnor PA, and Mike Costanzo went to that school and he is a professional baseball player for the Cincinnati Reds, and ClueBot NG keeps incorrectly editing it saying that he plays for the Washington Nationals even though he doesn't anymore. Please help, and if even have a tab to prove that he plays for the Reds, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scsander (talkcontribs) 22:44, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi - Edit on Godhra was verifiable on wiki[edit]

The site of Babri Masjid is disputed and is considered by Many Hindus to be the site of an older temple demolished during the medieval times[1]

  1. ^ Ram Janmabhoomi. I see no reason for controversy there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:39, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
    Unfortunately, you can't use Wikipedia as a source for other Wikipedia articles. Please see WP:CIRCULAR. Hope that clears things up.~~~~


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    Page Deletion[edit]

    Hi Josh3580, I've done some more research and reviewed the documentary I referenced on the Spencer Luckey page and have come to the conclusion that the subject, Spencer Luckey, does not meet the notability guidelines for creative professionals. As a new user, I do not know the process for deleting articles that I've created, but I will not contest you or Randor1980 from deleting or redirecting the page. Hillbillyhoboken (talk) 18:23, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

    Quickly respon[edit]

    Hello Josh3580,

    I think you make a big mistake about launched on this article too early, most of the peoples of that city were disagree about rename process. Why you had to release the articles with the new name of the airport ? You could make the issue about it, due to not an official airport name yet, it still under a big debating. I hope you understand, and plz don't be a provocator.

    Best Regards,

    Esther — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:20, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

    Your change may be correct. However, if it's controversial, as I assume it is (if it's "under a big debating"), the proper thing to do is leave it as it is, until a consensus of other editors decides otherwise. —Josh3580talk/hist 06:12, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

    Re; Antifeminism[edit]

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    Hi there! I'd like to contest the continued reversion of clean-ups on this page by the user [EvergreenFir], which are both constructive and necessary to promote the integrity of Wikipedia's content.


    - [shotsfired] Shotsfired (talk) 09:33, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

    Accio Quote[edit]

    That was on this article before I even revised it. If you notice in Hermione's magical skills and abilities section there is quotes from accio quote. In fact there is quotes from accio quotes everywhere if you look closely. The whole point of the accio quote webpage is to record quotes from J.K. Rowling herself.

    I have edited the article again and this time I only used book examples and references, so therefore they're legit, don't change again please. Respond to my post please and if you don't think my edit is accurate you can look it up in the books yourself and see that it is. I also used the Wikipedia's way of citing sources too.

    MrRaina (talk) 13:26, 11 February 2014 (UTC)MrRaina


    Please Josh, I realiseed that I accidentally copied all that text onto the talk page of cecil jay roberts. I did not intend to - it has no function/cause, so I want to remove it... I created the article. Thankyou. Im not wuite sure why you put it back on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cowhen1966 (talkcontribs) 18:42, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

    You need to explain so in your edit summary. It looks like you weren't logged in when you created the page, as the page creator is listed as (talk). What you should do is add the following template to the now-blank page (copy the entire line):
    {{db-g7|rationale=I wasn't logged in when I created the page, but I am the page creator, and I would like to request deletion.~~~~}}
    Then an Administrator will review the page, and they will delete it if appropriate. In the future, be sure you leave a detailed edit summary. Simply blanking a page with no explanation at all is usually construed as vandalism. Hope this helps! —Josh3580talk/hist 19:14, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

    Judaica Museum question[edit]

    Hi! I don't speak AWB, so this may be a stupid question. But if the official CiteX template uses one format, why does AWB fix it? Shouldn't it be fixed in template so you don't have to clean up after us? Will try to remember year v. date going forward. StarM 03:50, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

    Hey there! I am definitely not an expert by any means as to AWB's algorithms. But if AWB's recommendation for an edit seems to make sense to me over all, I hit save. In the case of this edit... When combined with the other minor changes made in that edit, it appeared to be a constructive edit. If I had to guess, (and it's only a guess) I would assume it has to do with the context of the data. i.e.: If a day and month were included, I think it would have left it as "Date" instead of "Year." On the other hand, that could be a completely incorrect assumption on my part. Their algorithm is a bit nebulous to me, since (like everything around here) it is constantly evolving. I try to take AWBs recommendations, look at the proposed diff, and apply them where they appear to be constructive changes. —Josh3580talk/hist 04:09, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
    That makes total sense, thanks. I didn't realize I didn't have the full publication info. Thanks, also, on fixing the underscores here. I kept trying to sort it out and got red links so I gave up knowing someone/bot would come along and make it behave. Have a good evening. StarM 04:33, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
    No problemo, happy to help! —Josh3580talk/hist 16:27, 15 February 2014 (UTC)


    Hello there. I'm just letting you know that I have replaced my correction as it is factually and grammatically more correct. I'm the author of the original sentence. Thanks. (talk) 19:28, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

    Scott & Bailey page[edit]

    Hi Josh,

    The reason I changed the external website link earlier was because it seemed pointless having the Scott and Bailey website linking to the ITV Player page when there is currently no episodes on there. Whereas there is a Scott and Bailey website (


    Aimeefran (talk) 22:37, 15 February 2014 (UTC) Aimeefran

    This is a fansite, not an official website. Please see #11 of WP:ELNO. The site does not claim to be written by a recognized authority. It even contains the following on the bottom of every page,
     —Josh3580talk/hist 23:10, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

    HELP ME![edit]

    Hello Josh, I hope you remember me! You were one of the first people to welcome me on WIkepedia! I was completely shocked and overwhelmed at the attacks I was getting from all over. I now don't know who o turn to and what to do! I need help with using Twinkle and I think a patroller has put my article up for deletion. I am at my wts end as to why I am being targeted. Please Josh help!Cowhen1966 (talk) 20:13, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

    Hey there! I definitely remember you. I'm sorry you are having a rough go of things. WP:CONSENSUS is a tricky concept. It seems to work really well for governing content, but it does cause arguments from time to time. If an article was tagged for deletion, and it does not qualify for deletion under the WP:Deletion policy, then the administrator who reviews the request will not delete the page. It does help if you contest the deletion in the deletion discussion, explaining why you believe it shouldn't be deleted. I also see where you got quite upset during this recent conflict. Try not to these things personally, although - believe me - I completely understand your frustration. Usually when you are disagreeing with someone, it is about the content, not about the people people involved. Try and keep this in mind. Those templates that get added to articles aren't intended to insult or shame anyone (or any article); editors add those templates to invite other editors to make the article better. Take a step back, clear your mind, then come back more dedicated than ever to improve the content. A person with your passion is a useful resource around here. Of course, there are others just as passionate who may disagree with you. That is the double-edged sword of WP:CONSENSUS. Please let me know if I can be of any further help to you, my friend. —Josh3580talk/hist 02:15, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

    Thank you so much Josh! Your words are comforting! Trust me when I say, there have been lots of underhand things that have happened. I did not even put this up for discussion. I have simply been bombarded with message after message and all I have been doing is answering them. Thanks for the advise. Secretly I am happy that we are here because at least a fresh pair of eyes can look at everything that's gone on. I will go on the site and talk to the admin. by the way someone sent me a standard message about my IP address etc. could you take a look at tell me what it means? Do you want my password to be able to see it ? Thanks Josh!Cowhen1966 (talk) 02:34, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

    No. I don't want your password. You shouldn't offer, as some people with malintent could use your account to screw you. Can you copy-paste the message here? I'd be happy to interpret it for you. —Josh3580talk/hist 04:35, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

    Thank you Josh will do!Cowhen1966 (talk) 09:58, 17 February 2014 (UTC) Morning Josh! Saw that the individual in question has posted it on my the top of my talk page. ThanksCowhen1966 (talk) 10:23, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

    NAH MAN[edit]

    NAH G GO AWAY — Preceding unsigned comment added by MissionHeightS (talkcontribs) 06:22, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

    First, your caps lock is stuck on - this seems indicative of your level of due diligence. I assume you are snidely responding to the warning you received after making this edit. My advice? You can either try to be constructive in your edits, or I suggest you take your own advice, G. —Josh3580talk/hist 21:31, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

    American History X[edit]

    Hi, I'm just wondering who you've talked to about the council? It has been designated to the US Congress, however there ARE some customs, laws, etc, that are upheld by the people. Please reference. Ely S. Parker's designation to Morgan Lewis is the greatest example of co-operation so I think in terms of English Wikipedia, it should be held in esteem. Please contact his descendants or the book Lweis wrote. Thank you in advance. InternetHero (talk) 19:37, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

    I responded on your talk page. —Josh3580talk/hist 08:07, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

    Devyani Khobragade incident page[edit]

    I was just providing the source when our edits clashed109.134.122.220 (talk) 07:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

    Sorry for the edit conflict. Thank you for fixing it! —Josh3580talk/hist 07:36, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
    You are welcome. BTW and FYI, I've also reverted a deletion of an appropriately referenced statement (made by the candidate who is leading all opinion polls in India to be the next Indian PM) regarding his views on the case. He made the statement during talks with the US Ambassador so that the US Govt knows his official position on the matter. I believe that this info is of importance to the article109.134.122.220 (talk) 07:40, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

    I have no idea why you sent me a message.[edit]

    hj — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:34, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

    Sorry for the confusion. You changed several values in the American Airlines fleet article, and removed a reference in [this edit]. I did not fact-check your numerical value changes, they may very well be correct. However, you did remove a valid source without explanation. That is why you received the message that you did. If you had a reason to remove that reference, please explain your reasoning in the future, using the edit summary field, so other editors understand why you took the action that you did. Thank you for contributing, sorry again for any confusion I may have caused. —Josh3580talk/hist 08:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


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    Hi Josh

    i am new here and dont know how to put in sources but if you watch the movie brother where art thou you will see my point.

    kind regards Mememe23432— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mememe23432 (talkcontribs) 06:41, 19 February 2014

    Actually I completely got your point. I explained in my edit summary, but I should have put it on your talk page as well. The issue was that it was actually Babyface Nelson who helped the trio in O Brother, Where Art Thou?, not Machine Gun Kelly. Hope that clears things up. —Josh3580talk/hist 06:50, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

    i am very sorry i must have gotten the two mixed up — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mememe23432 (talkcontribs) 06:54, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

    It's no problem at all, friend. Keep learning the ropes around here, keep making constructive edits, and you'll have all the details and policies down in no time, and will find yourself a veteran editor before you even know it! —Josh3580talk/hist 07:00, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

    Some baklava for you![edit]

    Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG baklava Hellochickenzombie (talk) 07:01, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

    Richard Morton Musical Comedian and Composer[edit]

    Dear Josh3580 (Ktwhitehouse (talk) 00:08, 21 February 2014 (UTC)) I'm endeavouring to create a page about Richard Morton and have collected a lot of well sourced information. You deleted the first page I created, I think because I published it…(intending to keep working on it) so now I've created a draft one and will be working carefully to get everything right. I'm a bit baffled by all the citation stuff, even when I look at the tutorials. Anyway I will try - please be patient with me. And if anyone can help me with it please let me know! Thaanks

    Zoogle Media Silicon Forest[edit]

    Hello Josh,

    Thank you for your interesting response. Zoogle Media's main office is located in the heart of Downtown Portland, Oregon 1326 SW 12th Ave, Portland, Oregon 97201 that's the heart of Silicon Forest. Zoogle Media deals in complexity analytical software marketing development.


    Christopher Blair— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 06:18, 25 February 2014

    I have no doubt that the company exists, however, to meet the notability guidelines, verifiable, reliable sources are required to show significant coverage of the company. —Josh3580talk/hist 06:20, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
    Please see this link of valid address— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 06:24, 25 February 2014
    Again, I do not debate that the company exists, did you read the Wikipedia:Notability guidelines policy? —Josh3580talk/hist 06:27, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
    Josh, below is a reliable source from which is Oregon's local news company. [3]— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 06:29, 25 February 2014
    I'm afraid that a simple business listing does not establish notability. Please familiarize yourself with this policy before you continue spamming this company's name. —Josh3580talk/hist 06:35, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

    I was looking through the list of suppose article's on companies in "Silicon Forest" such as I don't see any relation to any article stating "Silicon Forest" — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:42, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

    Please see WP:OTHERSTUFF. We are discussing your contribution, not other users' contributions. —Josh3580talk/hist 06:45, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

    There on "Silicon Forest" with no verifiable sources

    Christopher Blair — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:47, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

    So because other people added things that are unsourced, you should be able to do the same? That's not how it works. If you look at the page history, I removed quite a few unsourced additions, not just yours. Find extensive coverage of Zoogle Media, and cite it, and it can be included. It's as simple as that. —Josh3580talk/hist 06:50, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

    K boss, can you be a bit more elaborate "Extensive Coverage"? Give me an example of what you need to make this stick.


    Christopher — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:54, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

    Absolutely! Click here -> WP:CORP explains the policy in detail. Please understand, I have nothing against the company being listed, but at the same time, I don't make the rules, the community adopts them by WP:CONSENSUS. I am just trying to make sure that the guidelines are being followed. —Josh3580talk/hist 06:58, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

    No worries bud your just doing your job. I get it!! :)

    Christopher — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:01, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

    Thanks, man. I appreciate that. —Josh3580talk/hist 07:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

    Can we have a private conversation? Let me just make sure I understand this correctly in order for Zoogle Media to be part of "Silicon Forest" in wiki you need a 3rd party sources mention Zoogle Media in an article about Silicon Forest, correct?

    Christopher — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:05, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

    GREAT question. Actually there's no way to have a private conversation, it's all public here. But let me try to explain... What is needed here is 3rd party sources which simply COVER the company. It needs to be notable enough to merit its own article to be listed (even if the article doesn't exist at this time). The fact that the company is a part of Silicon Forest is a different issue. I would tend to allow it to stay, since you can show by its location that it is part of Silicon Forest. I can't promise that some other editor might disagree, but I would allow it - IF you can show the company's notability with media coverage. —Josh3580talk/hist 07:11, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

    Josh do reviews count, if it comes from a 3rd party reliable source that state's the location of the review?

    Christopher — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:10, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

    Ford Crown Victoria[edit]

    I apologize for the edit. I know that the source I was providing may not be reliable, but there are two exceptions regarding that:
    1) The Ford CEO posted that.
    2) His profile appears to be Alan Mulally-ish, not Justin Bieber-ish.

    Also, take a look at his profile: -- (talk) 04:15, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

    Sorry, no dice. The account was created within the last 24 hours, it simply doesn't qualify per the community adopted standards. See WP:RS and WP:V. Find a news article and cite it if you want to include this information. —Josh3580talk/hist 04:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
    I did not create that account, neither did SpongeBob SquarePants, nor did Justin Bieber, or even Barack Obama. -- (talk) 04:18, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
    BTW, it was the real Alan Mulally. -- (talk) 04:32, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


    Hi. Please read the rules of use for WP:AWB. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:11, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

    Could you be a bit more specific as to what I am doing incorrectly? I've been using AWB for years, but I definitely want to be constructive in my edits. —Josh3580talk/hist 08:13, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
    Is it that you feel like my "whitespace edits" are inconsequential? It would be the first time out of many similar edits where that issue was raised with me, but I could see that point. Otherwise, I'm not sure what you are talking about. —Josh3580talk/hist 08:18, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

    Infinity Property & Casualty Corporation[edit]

    Hey josh i agree with the neutral thing if that is the case then i believe that Yelp a neutral site for consumers should be authorised on Wikipedia yelp only shows reviews good or bad for a company despite the reality that they have ripped off millions of lower class Americans and continue to do so yelp is open to good comments as well if they take care of their customers then it will be relevant to yelp. The local news is going to be doing an interview with me and some of their other customers on Friday the news as a whole has a neutral standpoint can i not post the news report. I guess in a city of 500,000+ i can still get my point across. — Preceding unsignedcomment added by Nicholas.brown18 (talkcontribs) 18:10, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

    This is an encyclopedia. It is not the place to air your grievances. If there is extensive coverage regarding some controversy, by all means cite your source and include it. Your edit, however, was making negative assertions of the company in the article body, which is a violation of WP:NPOV. —Josh3580talk/hist 18:14, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

    Thanks for the help![edit]

    Thanks Josh3580, it was indeed a mistake. Thanks for cleaning it up for me!

    Mikejcunn (talk) 18:57, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

    Mikejcunn (talk): No problem at all. Please touch base with me if I can be of any further assistance on any questions you might have. —Josh3580talk/hist 06:57, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

    Edits to Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow[edit]

    Hello there.... I just made some contributions to the Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow page and after 30 mins they were all removed. Im confused. Please explain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parkwardmotors (talkcontribs) 06:48, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

    Absolutely. First off, your username suggests a conflict of interest, but even disragarding that entirely, you didn't cite a source for any of your contributions. I actually believe that your edits were correct and accurate, but you have to cite a source to make those kinds of changes. Hope this clears things up some. —Josh3580talk/hist 06:53, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

    I'm finding this site rather complicated and confusing. I couldnt even find a "reply" button to your message! So things like the citations (which I can easily provide) I dont know how to do. I will do some research.

    But when something is blatantly in error, for example, the Bentley T2 was written as "Bentley T II", what citation is necessary and why? It is simply a fact. The car is a "bentley T2". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parkwardmotors (talkcontribs) 07:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

    People who delete primary sources because they argue with secondary sources.[edit]

    I will tone down my introduction. Reversions to honest editions are not civil, either. [4] (talk) 09:16, 28 February 2014 (UTC)


    You did make a mistake. The user named HappyRagingPandas replaced content with ,"Storm Bay is a large bay located in Storm Bay Island." on Storm Bay (which is fixed now) and is called as removing content. (talk) 14:09, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

    MH370 Crash[edit]

    Hi Josh I've put up a new reference after reading your article on WP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:47, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

    Thanks! That's exactly what it needed, much appreciated! —Josh3580talk/hist 04:54, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

    Your ability to fight vandalism[edit]

    You're quite bad at spotting vandalism and someone needs to stop you making poor reverts of quality, sourced material. (talk) 06:04, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

    Your tone is a bit harsh, perhaps even uncivil, but I am always open to constructive criticism. What edit or edits are you are referring to? I'll be happy to review them, if you clarify a bit. —Josh3580talk/hist 06:10, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
    I was going to help but seeing as you want to call me names, I don't think I'll bother. People like you make Wikipedia the worst place to be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:14, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
    Interesting. I don't seem to remember calling you any sort of name. Maybe you want to clarify that? I seem to remember trying to work with you. Perhaps I need to request an interpretation from a sysop? I'm sure that whoever looked into it would be impartial for both our sakes. —Josh3580talk/hist 06:19, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

    A cup of coffee for you![edit]

    A small cup of coffee.JPG please dont delete my stuff! Jcschulman (talk) 03:33, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
    Jcschulman (talk): Thank you so very much for the coffee. As for reverting your edit, please cite a source the next time you call someone out as a "balloon human". —Josh3580talk/hist 01:18, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

    17 March 2014[edit]

    Sorry, I do not make test edits. Another user always deleting part of the article without any sources given, so I restore to the last verifiable revision.-- (talk) 23:24, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

    I'm sorry, to which article are you referring? You aren't logged in, so all I see is your current IP address in your signature above, and I don't see that I have reverted any edits by (talk). But just as general information, adding information is what requires a source, not removing it - especially if the information being removed doesn't have a source. Of course if you have found yourself in a disagreement with another editor, the article's talk page would be where you would want to hammer out your differences. There, everyone can come to a WP:CONSENSUS, instead of it being one person's opinion vs another's. Please be aware of the Three Revert Rule if there is some kind of argument. If there is a specific article or edit of mine that you would like clarified, feel free to leave me a message with the details, and I would be happy to review it. Cheers, and happy editing. —Josh3580talk/hist 06:05, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

    Hao Moat[edit]

    Hi, I've undoed your revision because 1. there are multiple sources, but because it's Chinese it's hard to find reliable sources 2. don't use Huggle for non-vandalism, please 3. I am an experienced Wikipedian editor. I've been to Nantong and the tourism dept there calls it "Moat Hao". My source, if you don't mind adding a cite: -- (talk) 03:45, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

    Thank you so much for contributing. To answer your questions... 1) I empathize with the problem of sources, but it is still required. 2) Why shouldn't I use Huggle for vandalism prevention? It seems to serve me quite well. 3) Your experience has nothing to do with this, it is the source that matters. The source you cited says that the "Hao river" is a "historical moat," so it is not an appropriate reference for this change. I would guess that you are correct, but a source is still required. —Josh3580talk/hist 03:51, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

    Reverting my edit[edit]

    Yo, I was reversing misinformation by changing Kenny Britt to a free agent because he's not a Ram, nor has he ever been. source: — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 03:57, 28 March 2014

    Please do your homework before spreading misinformation, thanks.

    That's wonderful that you are trying to make sure that the information is correct. However, please cite your source in the article, not on my talk page. Readers of Wikipedia should be able to easily verify any information that is asserted as fact in the articles. —Josh3580talk/hist 04:01, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
    How about you site where you believe he's a Ram. You're the one with the burden of proof, here, brah.— Preceding unsigned comment added by TheKillerNacho (talkcontribs) 04:02, 28 March 2014
    You are simply incorrect there. The editor making changes is the one with the burden of proof. If what is currently written is incorrect, then change it, and cite your source. Please see WP:V and WP:RS. —Josh3580talk/hist 04:06, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
    Ok then, so reverse the edit who put his team as the Rams when they had no proof, not my edit. Hell, the first line on his page says he is a FREE AGENT. All I changed as the Infobox to correspond with the information that was ALREADY ON THE ARTICLE. If Wikipedia is really so nazi I guess I will withdraw my funding as I currently pay $20 / month as a donation to the site. I'm sorry for making an edit to a page that was obviously contradictory and incorrect. I will never do it again. /sarcasm.
    Dude...... he's not a Bill, either. Try again. He's a FREE AGENT.
    Done. I honestly couldn't care less about your funding, that is a donation issue, and is between you and the foundation. As far as this edit, you are absolutely correct. In the future, if you remove unsourced information, make sure it is clear in your edit summary that the information is unsourced. Just stating that it is untrue with no source, or challenging existing sources, will most likely trigger a filter just as happened here. I had to look 16 edits back to find where the unsourced addition on the Rams occurred, and you are now unhappy with THAT revert. I found the next version that had no team reference. In the future, do your own research if you want to change things. Don't just try to pick a fight. I'm trying to help here, too. —Josh3580talk/hist 04:30, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
    I never tried to pick a fight. I just changed "St. Louis Rams" to "Free Agent". I suppose in the future if I spot misinformation I will simply source it in the edit description... is that the proper way to do things? I already did my research. I knew Kenny Britt was a free agent. I changed it. Why do I have to justify it to you? Btw, it's not that I was unhappy with your revert. It was that your edit, a revert, made the page less accurate than it was before. This is against the spirit of wikipedia. You are the one who "picked a fight" so to speak.— Preceding unsigned comment added by TheKillerNacho (talkcontribs) 04:36, 28 March 2014
    I'm sorry if I came across that way. Since WP is publicly editable, people often add things for the hell of it which are unexplained and incorrect. The truth is, the answer to your question is even more simple than you posit. If you are removing dubious, unsourced information, just remove it (like you did), but make sure you explain in your edit summary that the content is completely unsourced. If you add information, that's when you need to cite a source. Again, your edit was correct, your explanation was the issue. And again, I'm sorry if I came across as confrontational. —Josh3580talk/hist 04:41, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
    Okay, I get you. I will do this in the future. Sorry for being unclear - it's just frustrating to try to help and then have it reverted every 5 minutes, haha. Thanks for the help, I did not mean to be a burden... just correct an obvious mistake. —TheKillerNachotalk/hist 04:41, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
    I know what you mean, and I really do apologize for making things difficult. It's hard to divine what someone else is trying to accomplish sometimes. Thank you again for trying to make things better around here, that's a rare quality. —Josh3580talk/hist 04:48, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

    Zombie Night[edit]

    Thanks for reverting the vandalism at Zombie Night (2013 film), but why do you think it fails WP:NFILM? The article has five sources. That's quite more than enough to make it notable. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:13, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

    That is an awesome question! With some of the folks editing around here, I am pleased to see such a well considered observation. The number of sources are not all that make a film notable, it is the content of those sources. The WP:NFILM#Other evidence of notability section lays those things out. I do not debate that I could be incorrect in my tagging, but you have the WP:CONSENSUS process on your side. A third editor can remove that tag if they do not agree with the classification. Thanks again, for being diligent and thoughtful. —Josh3580talk/hist 04:19, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
    I agree that it's nice to have a civil conversation with someone on a talk page. I've become quite tired of sarcastic teenagers, which makes me wonder if maybe everyone was right about me back when I was teenager. Anyway, sure, if we were talking about trivial mentions you'd have a good point, but a review in Variety is hardly trivial – and there are two more reviews from reliable sources besides that. I admit that I had a bit of trouble tracking down enough sources to make a case for notability, but if it went to AfD right now, I'm pretty sure it would be kept. Most people don't even require that many sources before they start berating you for WP:BEFORE, and I learned that the hard way. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:56, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
    Reviews are normally not enough to meet the WP:N standards, but I did not think that the article should be deleted outright. That's why I added this improvement tag, instead of an AFD or CSD tag. I just wanted to invite any other editors to improve what I saw as a weakness in the WP:N department. And I'm with you on the "teenager" assertion! —Josh3580talk/hist 05:27, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
    OK, I think I'm beginning to see where you're coming from now. In WikiProject Film, reviews are generally held to establish notability. Whether three reviews is enough is up for grabs, but I think that the other two sources push it into a much safer zone. (Is it just me or did you hear "Danger Zone" in your head?) The original vandal did not add the tag in good faith; he simply replaced the current article with another one that had already been tagged for notability. But if you think the template is warranted, then that's good enough for me. There's always room for debate when dealing with Wikipedia's vague guidelines. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 07:05, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
    I'll tell you what, my friend... You and your Kenny Loggins reference have convinced me. Seriously, though... I suppose I was trying to reason and glean SOME good-faith from the other editor's changes, but I think you are correct in how the entire edit was not in good faith. I'm restoring the previous version, and I will try to give a clear explanation in my edit summary. —Josh3580talk/hist 02:31, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

    Cossacks Edit[edit]

    Hello, I'm Josh3580. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Cossacks, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks.  —Josh3580talk/hist 03:34, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

    Hi, you have left the message above to me on my homepage. I am not the author of the deleted batch of text (which was left by some new, inexperienced user). I believed it was of a good faith edit, and felt it is not proper to delete it by just declaring it to be a POV. So I basically intervened as a third (impartial) party. Another editor accused the author of pushing a POV, which I don't agree with. I checked and as far as I checked the description was okay. In any case, if you are not the same IP person who kept deleting the entry, I am happy to agree with you, and otherwise not. (talk) 04:33, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

    I think you're confused by what we mean by "impartial" and "secondary" sources. I'm not doubting the good faith of the editor, but the addition is wholly unsuited for wikipedia. We need reliable, secondary sources (reputable news coverage, historian's analysis) to interpret the significance of events and validate them. Many "firsts" occur every day (I ate breakfast on March 28, 2014 for the first time ever today!), but not all such events have real significance and historical context. If this Cossack Congress is as important and significant as the participants claim, then there should be other, neutral third parties who agree and explain what is and is not significant about it. You as an editor do not count as such an impartial third party. WP:RS explains what counts, and why they count.
    And no, Josh3580 is not me, but the identity of the editor making the change should have no affect on your acceptance or recognition of that change. You seem to be carrying a WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality here. I'd suggest stepping back and viewing the whole thing for what it really is: an ultimately largely meaningless squabble about a small amount of text on a single webpage on a large site in a much larger internet. Cheers. (talk) 18:05, 28 March 2014
    I am certainly not the one having WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality here (and people, who claim to read other people's mentality off the internet, a bit worry me :-). I am fine/cool with whatever Josh3580 has decided. I just found your editorial activities a bit more POV than those of the original poster. Have a wonderful day :-) (talk) 00:41, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
    It's all going to be just fine. It took me a long time as an editor to embrace the idea of WP:CONSENSUS, but I eventually found out that, no matter how impassioned any editor is, the community does a pretty good job at ironing out the messy details as time moves along. If an edit is so controversial that the currently active editors can't agree, the article's talk page invites others to give their opinion. The whole consensus idea was very strange and foreign to me at first, but I must admit, it works pretty darn well on this project. Surrender to consensus. We can all just do our individual part, editing in a way that we feel is correct, and let the community either agree with us or reject us. In all, the consensus seems to turn out the best product. Cheers to the both of you. —Josh3580talk/hist 01:56, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

    CU Powerline Songs[edit]

    Hello, Josh3580! I'm contacting you regarding my attempted revision of the CU Powerline Controversy page, which you reverted. I attempted to add the song "Pope County Blues" by Minnesota folk singer Larry Long to the "Inspired Art" section. You reverted it giving the reason that I provided no reason for the edit and no source. I had assumed that a reason was self-explanatory in that I was adding a song to the list of songs inspired by the conflict, and that the source was unnecessary as most of the other songs in that section are unsourced. Lyrics and clips of the song are available online, and I would be glad to provide a source for the song if necessary to put it into that section of the article. I am myself a folk singer and resident of the area the CU Powerline went through, and would very much like if Mr. Long's song could be included in the article. (talk) 05:19, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

    We need your help testing latest huggle[edit]


    I am sending you this message because you listed yourself on meta:Huggle/Members as a beta tester. We desperately need attention of testers, because since we resolved all release blockers, we are ready to release first official version of huggle 3! Before that happens, it would be nice if you could test it so that we can make sure there are no issues with it. You can download it packaged for your operating system (see Wikipedia:Huggle/Huggle3_Beta) or you can of course build it yourself, see for that. Don't forget to use always latest version, there is no auto-update message for beta versions!

    Should you find any issue, please report it to wikimedia bugzilla, that is a central place for huggle bugs, where we look at them. That is i mportant, if you find a bug and won't report it, we can't fix it. Thank you for your work on this, if you have any questions, please send me a message on my talk page, I won't be looking for responses here. Thanks, Petrb (talk) 15:13, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

    Accidental Warning[edit]

    Assuming you somehow accidentally gave me a warning. Although I do have mental arguments with myself, I typically don't attack myself - that would be akin to self-harm. --Slazenger (Contact Me) 07:15, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

    Sorry about that, I rolled it back. Not sure what happened there. Glad you hear you aren't a "cutter"! :P  —Josh3580talk/hist 23:53, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
    All good, crazy things happen relatively often. --Slazenger (Contact Me) 04:16, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

    The Stand (TV miniseries)[edit]

    Re your reversion of all my work:

    I had a hidden note in the text stating the source was IMDB. Also a note on the article Talk page.

    Since when does anyone need a source for episode titles of a TV show already broadcast anyway? The show itself is the source.

    And you also restored all the trivia and WP:OR that was COMPLETELY UNSOURCED. Didn't you read my edit notes? If you dispute that, please explain on the article talk page, don't just revert. (talk) 17:30, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

    I apologize, I looked at that edit completely backwards. You are absolutely correct. I am removing the warning that I put on your talk page. Sorry again for the trouble. —Josh3580talk/hist 17:40, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


    Hi Josh, I ran across a vandalism-type edit from, and after fixing that I took a look at their contributions page. All recent edits are vandalism-type stuff, some change the meaning of a sentence, like this one; others don't but are all meaningless.

    I noticed you put a warning on that IP's talk page; I feel like 4 days of that behavior continuing is enough to warrant a block. Also for some reason, four tilde's isn't working as a signature on your talk page. Not sure what I'm screwing up. ~~~~