User talk:Jw4nvc

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New Page 2009[edit]

Happy New Year! :)

Into Wiki[edit]

Jw4nvc, thanks for the note, and thank you for your contributions! I spent a few minutes looking at your most impressive flickr set, and then I just spent a few minutes more looking through your Wiki edits. A couple of hints ... when you started the page on John O'Donohue back in January of this year (I'm an admin, so I can look at the deleted history), it looks like you were just getting started, and had just added a few external links to begin your work. A way to keep patrollers from deleting your article is to slap an {{inuse}} tag on it while you are working.

Some of your photos are gorgeous, and I'd understand not wanting to give up control of them. What I do personally is upload some pictures to Wikipedia under the WP:GFDL (or you can pick one of the Creative Commons licenses, which gives you a little more control) but save the better ones for myself. That picture of the Tea Fire is the best one I've seen of it yet, showing the whole area -- I was just up there yesterday trying to find a good ground vantage point for a shot.
Eh, don't give up on us yet. I appreciate your contributions to the Gaviota Tunnel yesterday too (I wrote the Gaviota State Park article and took those pictures, FYI ... coincidentally you happened to bump into an admin who lives in SB). Best wishes, Antandrus (talk) 05:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Knapp's Castle[edit]

Ah, looks like you're getting good advice from Antandrus. I'm the person who commented on your picture about the possibility of putting it on Wikipedia - I was trying to help avoid extra work for you by volunteering to do the uploading part. :) I also live in Santa Barbara and I'd pitch in to get to see these from the air myself! But yeah, it's annoying how complicated licensing gets (and how people bite newcomers even though they shouldn't). I'm not quite sure whether it's OK to have a photo licensed as Creative Commons here and licensed with full copyright on Flickr - looks like Wikipedia:Media copyright questions could be a good place for one of us to ask. Dreamyshade (talk) 09:19, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I've uploaded a different angle on Knapp that you're welcome to put on the Knapp page. I've run afoul of the Category Police, so hopefully the one it took me half an hour to figure out and add will appease them. grumble, grumble...  :)
(also sending this to you via wikimail) Jw4nvc (talk) 07:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Looks great! I'll include it. I usually just put pictures in categories by location; see Category:Santa Barbara, California on my bridge picture. I have other pictures of Santa Barbara on Flickr but I haven't found articles where they'd be useful - if somebody has ideas, let me know. Dreamyshade (talk) 07:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Carrizo Plain[edit]

Are these the formations you mean? View is to the northwest; Soda lake is to the right, about two miles.
This one. I want to fly there and walk it.

Jw4nvc, that picture is wonderful and looks good where you put it! I realize I should go up there and snap a picture of Cold Springs Tavern since it doesn't have one (preferably with Harleys in front, on a Saturday afternoon) (unless you get to it first Dreamyshade -- and wow, you have been here since 2001 -- I'm awed -- had no idea -- I guess there are a few Wikipedians in SB after all). Regarding the rock formations near Soda Lake, do you mean those bizarre lumpy rows of rocks southwest of the lake (picture to the right). They would look very cool from the air, as is evident from Google maps as well.

I just spent some more time looking at your Flickr images ... there are some great ones, some of places you cannot see from the ground under any circumstances (Michael Jackson's ranch! the Ventura oil field, ... etc.)

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with your first edits here. Our patrollers sometimes treat "Huggle" (the super-fast anti-vandal tool) like a big video/role-playing game, and do not always display the best judgment. As Dreamyshade says, biting the newcomers is a big no-no. Oh, and sharing cost on a plane is tempting indeed.  :) Best, Antandrus (talk) 17:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Painted Rock[edit]

Oh yes, that splendid place -- it's Painted Rock. I know it's a Chumash holy site; there might be some special rules regarding when you can be there (if I remember correctly, the BLM owns that part). The cool rock paintings are on the inside. All those rock formations are part of the same geologic unit; they're fascinating. Ravens nest in the wind-eroded hollows. Antandrus (talk) 01:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I've flown there with friend who knows a ranger and has promised for two years now that he'll ask about landing permission and maybe a tour. You've also given me the idea to try connecting directly with BLM and the Chumash, in case someone would prefer the 20 minute flight to that long and circuitous drive. Pretty short stroll from the casino over to Santa Ynez airport. Jw4nvc (talk) 01:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh, by the way -- for expanding Painted Rock -- this document has a lot of good information, and as a reliable source it doesn't get better than that. (Here's the link to the overall 1996 Management Plan from BLM with the table of contents). Antandrus (talk) 15:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanx for the refs and all your other support! As you'll see if ever you venture there again, I've tweaked it considerably and added some content. If I get addicted to wiki, it will be my quest to get you addicted to flying. :)
Jw4nvc (talk) 01:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Santa Barbarian Wikiphile Meet[edit]

I posted an inquiry somewhere (several places?) asking if any SB wikites would enjoy meeting for coffee or something. Here's a section for replies, or if you're willing I'd prefer an email (I'm old) with your email address so we can move the conversation there. Jw4nvc (talk) 02:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd be interested, yes.  :) Only concern relates to my being an active administrator on the world's 7th-most-popular website, and you can probably imagine what that is. You can either shoot me an e-mail by clicking on the "e-mail this user" link from my user or user talk pages, or if I don't hear from you in a couple days I'll open a Flickr account and message you from there. Nice pic of Shoreline Park and the harbor. I need to upload some photos of the Tea Fire area I took two days ago (damn, I felt like a looky-loo; I hate that). I was up on Gibraltar Road, which I was surprised was open (maybe it wasn't -- the cops were looking at me funny). Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 23:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I'll respond by email too (from your Flickr message), but yes, meeting could be fun. User:Douglaswth also lives in SB (and is my boyfriend), so I'd bring him along too. Dreamyshade (talk) 07:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
My wife Anne might like to join us too, since she flies with me often. We helped start the South Coast Telecommunication Alliance (SCTA) mid-90s, and she's had some interest in SB online community. Jw4nvc (talk) 10:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Santa Barbara Region Pages[edit]

This section is transplanted from Dreamyshade's talk page so I can monitor it more easily.Jw4nvc (talk) 05:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I've been whittling away at some home town pages. I've started a few from scratch (linked from my user page), edited a few, added links and references to some, and contributed some photos. Especially aerial photos, since it's great to have any excuse for flying.

Here are some ideas for a list of needed pages:

  • Painted Cave (community - has empty link on the San Marcos Pass page)
  • Stow Park
  • Lake Los Carneros
  • Coronado Butterfly Preserve
  • Ellwood Mesa Open Space
(the above are mentioned on the Goleta, California page)


The Arroyo Hondo Preserve could use an article (there are multiple sources: LA Times, SB Land Trust, the Independent), and maybe the Arroyo Hondo bridge could have a section on that page. I don't know if it's exactly within the preserve, but it's close. Dreamyshade (talk) 20:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

If you start it, I'll chip in. I've been thinking about getting some good aerial photos of that area, and you could come along if interested. Once you have some info, it will help a lot in planning the shot(s). Jw4nvc (talk) 09:44, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Commons Photos[edit]

I've been watching Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Santa Barbara County, California for a little while, which is why I contributed File:Cold Spring Canyon Arch Bridge.jpg and File:UCSB Events Center back.jpg. I'm hoping to take a picture or two of the carousel and Gaviota Tunnel in the future. And yeah, I was lucky to find Wikipedia back in the UseModWiki days, when I was a bored high school freshman. Dreamyshade (talk) 07:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I went there and conditionally offered aerial photos if someone wants to do the wiki part. I then deleted the offer rather than risk annoying anyone, and because I just don't want to invest the time learning to jump all the wiki hoops. Maybe if you or someone else with the wiki chops is willing to do the detail work, such a volunteer could put an item in the photograhpers list about it and be the contact for requests. Another option might be if I create a WC Set on my Flickr page with everything sized 550px and licensed CC Attrib. My impression is that individual photos could then be linked directly from my Flickr page so I'd get photo credit without having to face the learning curve for WC. Jw4nvc (talk) 10:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for uploading an image of Neverland Ranch. BTW, were you contacted a few weeks ago about these Neverland images? Cheers. — Realist2 23:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Replied via Wikimail Jw4nvc (talk) 01:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Replied via email, thanks once again, all the best. — Realist2 02:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

On hyperpole and shattered straw men[edit]

I just read, with a mixture of amusement and horror, some of the comments on your entry, and responded there. Good grief. I can understand sensitivity about privacy, but suggesting that pictures at that resolution invade privacy is just a touch paranoid. (For what it's worth, I would never put on Wikipedia an aerial photo of someone's backyard at, say, a 3-inch pixel resolution -- then you could identify actual objects and people.) Antandrus (talk) 05:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

One of my aphorisms: "There's nothing more interesting than people." :)
Jw4nvc (talk) 09:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Some photos from yesterday's flight[edit]

Here's a few more that turned out reasonably well:

Antandrus (talk) 05:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Cockpit Commentary[edit]

Wow! That little camera takes pretty impressive photos! I'd been wondering if ANY came out with the fading light, light turbulence, and any zoom you used. Thanks for sharing! Jw4nvc (talk) 09:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks -- that little camera took every picture I have on Wikipedia; it's even fallen off a speeding car, hitting the road and bouncing, with considerable force (my absent-mindedness is famous around these parts) -- but yet it keeps on going. I could also make a picture of Laguna Blanca, the Santa Barbara harbor with sun streak behind, and Cachuma County Park look presentable with a little cropping and photoshopping. Unfortunately all my Tea Fire pictures were useless -- oh well. Antandrus (talk) 14:51, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
"...fallen off a speeding car" for some reason reminds me of the '50s Superman TV show. "More powerful than a speeding locomotive..." You, it seems, have SuperCam! Jw4nvc (talk) 01:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

About Aerial Photography[edit]

I started a cryptic list of aerial photography pointers in a reply on Antandrus' talk page. I evolved it here to share with future co-pilots and co-aerial-photographers, and ten categories emerged. Then the following vector came along, so you can find it where Antandrus suggested. Jw4nvc (talk) 07:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Top Ten Tips for shooting aerial photos: 1. Motion blur typically ruins more aerial photos than any other cause, and can't be fixed later in editing. [snip] 10. The breathtaking long vistas common on most flights, seldom yield impressive photos but are fun to have as reminders of your glorious few minutes aloft. Jw4nvc (talk) 01:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

This is good stuff. You might consider putting it in project space (e.g. Wikipedia:Aerial photography, maybe with WP:AERIAL as a shortcut; or at the very least as an essay in your userspace, such as User:Jw4nvc/Aerial photography pointers or something, again with WP:AERIAL as a shortcut). I cannot recall seeing anything like this elsewhere on Wikipedia -- you may be the first. Antandrus (talk) 05:56, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, it seems like I've done as you suggested. Dunno the difference between a wiki page and a project page, so I just used the empty link you provided. Guess we'll see how many seconds it survives. I added a link to it on the Aerial_photography#See_also page, which might help speed the removal process.  ;) Jw4nvc (talk) 08:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
I have no clue how to add WP:AERIAL as a shortcut. I tried a redirect, but looked like it was going to mess up so I didn't save it. Feel free.  :) Jw4nvc (talk) 08:10, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I think a see-also link from article space to a project page is a no-no, so I reverted that. Dicklyon (talk) 16:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Yah, that's true -- we're not supposed to have cross-namespace see-alsos, although there exceptions even to that (for example look at the top of source, where someone looking for one of our supermajor policies may have come by accident). I have one other suggestion -- Jw4nvc, you might want to add an introductory prose paragraph explaining the purpose of the page, stating something like "This page gives pointers and tips on how to take photographs from an airplane, since the issues differ significantly from ground photography.... etc." Actually maybe I'll start it. Have fun! Antandrus (talk) 16:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


John, Could you contact me by e-mail? I would like to use one of your aerial photos in an online report for Thanks. Bill Dedman, —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Note: I've added a Contact option on Our Blog

Proposed deletion of Oruxmaps[edit]

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I removed your mis-placed Prod at Talk:Oruxmaps. Bearian (talk) 01
08, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanx :) Jw4nvc (talk) 04
08, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

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A page you started (Moving map display) has been reviewed![edit]

Thanks for creating Moving map display, Jw4nvc!

Wikipedia editor MatthewVanitas just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

Good concept, but WP can't be cited on itself. What we need is serious media or academic coverage of this invention. Did you check GoogleBooks for mentions in tech journals?

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