User talk:KDS4444

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Apology, and help with email address[edit]

Dear KDS4444, I want to say that I am very sorry for unexpectedly criticizing your drawing in a lot of ways; that must have come as a shock and a very unpleasant one. I do apologize. If we had had a chance to discuss it before it was submitted for Featured status that would have been a much better way to handle it. I found the email addresses of the main author of the original 2006 paper. He is Takenori Sasaki, and his email is sasaki{at} ; if you would like to write to him that would be really great. If you would rather not write to him, then I can do it; just ask me. Sorry again, and I hope we can work this through to a successful conclusion. Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 13:19, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

I see that this time around it was not promoted, sorry, but if we can get an OK from the author of the original paper (Sasaki), I am more than willing to support the nomination the next time around, and help you in any other way. Invertzoo (talk) 12:44, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

By the way, I think the changes you recently made to the image really improved it a lot. Invertzoo (talk) 23:07, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I have made a number of changes to the drawing at this point, not all of them submitted yet. There were some fundamental shifts in perspective that affected the placement of some major organs— I, too, think it has improved a lot over the past week or so. Regarding Sasaki's email address: I already attempted to contact him a few months ago and asked him to vet the image for me. I got no response, much to my disappointment. Maybe you will have better luck than I did? If you think you have a better chance of reaching him, please do so and let me know. Thank you. KDS4444Talk 19:05, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes it is looking good now. I did email Sasaki, I will let you know if I hear anything. If I don't I will try again. Sometimes academics are very busy, especially at this time of year. Invertzoo (talk) 13:34, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Ugly Animal Preservation Society for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ugly Animal Preservation Society is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ugly Animal Preservation Society until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Guy (Help!) 00:39, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Account usurpation note for bureaucrats[edit]

This talk page message is intended for any bureaucrat wishing to verify the usurpation request I posted moments ago on Commons under the account KDS444. Please let know if I must take any additional steps. Thanks. KDS4444Talk 14:27, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Quincy Music Theater deletion[edit]

KDS4444 THANK YOU! so much for your kind help. I have used Wikipedia for a long time for the references, but have not, as you noticed, done much on the entire articles side. I am a professor and do fix some misinformation in my field of expertise. So, I am good at finding references, But, not fully familiarized with Wiki protocol for more complex issues. Additionally, the programming language is confusing beyond simple edits. The process of who to contact about a deletion was not fully clear despite reading some of the help pages. It is why I deleted the one paragraph on the closed discussion page. After posting, I saw something that said not to modify it. I wasn't sure of where to post or if I had posted in the correct locations.

I will try, as you suggest, to create a sandbox before actually posting an new article. I do have a question. I hadn't visited that page for quite some time before I noticed it was deleted. But, some of the previous information was interesting. Is there a way to access the old page information to take some of the references from there? ProfessorMama (talk) 16:38, 4 November 2013 (UTC)ProfessorMama

Got your message above [aside: two items of Wiki-protocol, just so you know about them: 1.) when editing someone's talk page for the first time or on a new subject it is customary to put a header at the beginning of the section you are writing. The heading is a single line of text consisting of two equals signs, a title of some sort that summarizes what you are about to write, and then two more consecutive equals signs. This makes a "header two" or a second tier header in the document so that what you write below it can be spotted more easily. But this is just a protocol, not a requirement. 2.) Notice that I am replying to your talk page on my own talk page (which is quite common and helps make it easier to track conversations than flipping back and forth between two user talk pages) and that— if you click to edit this page— you will see that I have begun this paragraph and all that follow with a single colon (just before the words "Got your message...") in order to create an indent on my own text and signify that what I am writing is a response to what you already wrote... So your reply to me, if you put it here in my talk page below this text, should start off with two colons before each paragraph (to create a double indent). And if/ when I reply, I will use three, etc. It just makes things easier to follow, and no worries if you do not apply it! (yes, sometimes conversations to go past eight or ten responses, but let's not get into that just yet).
Anyhow! You asked about resurrecting the text of the original article on the Quincy Music Theater. What I know is this: because the article was formally deleted from the system, retrieving it is not something that anyone but an administrator can do. It does exist, somewhere, but deletion decisions wouldn't serve any purpose if deleted material was still readily available! And so it is not. I do not know if the original closing admin must necessarily be the person to resurrect the piece, but I doubt it (though they should certainly be consulted by whichever admin actually does). To that end, you did the right thing by leaving a message on the talk page of the admin that closed the discussion for the QMT awhile back— you should be getting a response to that message (and may have done so already) with some instructions on the steps necessary to resurrect the article. If not, I can make an inquiry myself.
You were correct in returning the original deletion discussion to its former state. Though you correctly identified some of the individuals responsible for the decision, modifying a deletion discussion, even just to comment on it, will only get the act reversed by someone else and earn you a finger-wagging from someone for not following the rules (and to your credit, you figured this out before the finger got wagged! Others of us only seem to learn the hard way...). Good luck, and again, let me know if you think I can be of further service. I won't have it be said that I opposed the recreation of a worthy and notable subject, so long as the facts match the case. KDS4444Talk 07:25, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

VIC Motorcycle Logo Update[edit]


Sorry for the delay in getting back to you and thanks for your willingness to help. I've linked to the official PNG for Victory Motorcycles logo on our G+ page. It's the Avatar picture (Black background, Red V) for the Victory Motorcycles Business Page. If this is still too small let me know how I can email you the direct image as an attachment, or even upload it somewhere. Let me know what else I need to do for this to be updated.


Thanks again for your hard work and helpfulness!


--Sasteffl (talk) 20:51, 2 December 2013 (UTC)-Sasteffl

Hi, Sasteffl! So, I tried the link you gave me above: it took me to a page that briefly showed me the logo and an image of a cycle, then flashed away to something asking me to join Google Plus to follow Victory Motorcycles. What I would need is a URL that was pointed directly at a stable simple version of the logo in the highest resolution you are willing/ able to provide, most likely as a PNG file (possibly a JPG, GIF, TIFF, even an SVG would be nice). The URL should not point to a web page, per se, but to an image located on a server somewhere— the link you make for me should look sort of like this: "http:\\\blah_blah_blah_etc\subdirectory\Victory_Logo.png" with the blah blah blah and subdirectory parts being part of an address you would provide, and "Victory_Logo.png" being just an example as to what you might have actually named the file. My point is that the URL should end with the name and type of the image file that you would like to have used... It should not end with the letters "html" or "htm", as these are suffixes for web pages, not image files, nor should it end with "pub" as this is only a name for a public directory on the Victory Motorcycles server.
That's a lot of verbiage— am I making some sense here? Please let me know if not. I've been told I am not very good at explaining things sometimes! KDS4444Talk 12:57, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification, I think this file should work based on what you were telling me.


Again, thank you so much for your time and I'll check back shortly to see if there's anything else I need to do!


--Sasteffl (talk) 18:38, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Image uploaded, fair-use rationale provided, article updated! Let me know if there is anything I seem to have left out! KDS4444Talk 04:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey KDS,

Thanks a ton, I really appreciate it!

Quick question, when I Google "Victory Motorcycles" the upper right hand image corresponding with the Wikipedia information is displaying the old logo which is linked to a website. Is there any additional steps I need to take for this to change or is it just a slight delay for the image change to take effect across all web platforms?


--Sasteffl (talk) 15:08, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I have followed your link and see what you are getting at. I am not sure exactly how Google organizes its web search results, but the box you are seeing is one that Google produces, not Wikipedia, and though the text it is offering you is from the Wikipedia web site, Wikipedia is not able to control the Northern Companies web site that is providing the old logo (the old logo which will continue to be the logo that comes up on Google searches like this until either the Northern Companies changes it or Google decides to use a different source for its image— there will be no additional propagation of the image that I uploaded for you, unfortunately, beyond what has likely happened already). Have you considered contacting the Northern Companies/ Northern Group directly and asking them to use the new logo? They might or might not be responsive to your request, though I can't imagine that they'd object especially as it is the correct logo. On the other hand, in order for them to do this, they would have to change some of their web site information, and I am sure they would rather not bother if they don't feel they have to. What I can tell you is that Wikipedia isn't able to manage the Google search result— and I doubt very much that anyone at Google is going to be responsive to a request for this to be updated (although actually I do know a guy who works for them and might be able to help out— let me send him a message and get back to you, yes?). KDS4444Talk 04:11, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I explained to my contact at Google just what the problem was and this was his response-- Wanna give it a shot and see if it works? -- KDS4444Talk 01:24, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Do the Google search now, and look at the bottom right of that card showing the company info with the wrong logo.

Click "Feedback/More Info"

Then click the "Wrong?" label above the logo.

Fill out the form to let Google know what's wrong and how to fix it.

Then just wait!

Hey KDS,

Thanks for the information and hard work, you've been AWESOME!

I followed your instructions and submitted the request to Google, hopefully it updates soon. Did your friend happen to mention what the typical timeframe is for a change to something like this? I've got to imagine Google receives millions of these requests a day.

Thanks again!

--Sasteffl (talk) 14:54, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

He did not, and I was already overstepping the bounds of our friendship a bit by asking him for advice about his work... I think you are correct when you say that Google probably receives lots of this requests per day, and that it is likely to take them some time to fix this issue in particular, but other than knowing that it is likely being worked on eventually, I don't have any idea how long it might take. Have you tried contacting the Northern Companies directly and asking them to update their use of the logo as well? This might make it happen sooner rather than later, and they might have more staff available to make such a change than Google is willing to pay for. I think that's worth a shot! KDS4444Talk 02:45, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
But the good news,Sasteffl, as perhaps you have by now noticed, is that a Google search now produces the correct updated logo. Success! So when will you be shipping out my new bike?? A Vegas 8-ball will be just fine. KDS4444Talk 02:17, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I saw that, for whatever reason they didn't link to the URL I gave them (which didn't have the "USA" in the V), but now I'm just splitting hairs.

Seeing as we're based out of MN (which is basically the North Pole) I flagged down my friend Santa and told him you definitely deserve more than coal for the Holidays this year!

Thanks again for your help, I really appreciate it!

--Sasteffl (talk) 22:23, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

yahoo electronics_101[edit]

There is a yahoo users group called "electronics_101" where you may find help understanding your Christmas lights problem and the water analogy.Constant314 (talk) 15:00, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Bathyacmaea secunda (revised, 2nd nomination)[edit]

Bathyacmaea secunda-en.svg
An image created by you has been promoted to featured picture status
Your image, File:Bathyacmaea secunda-en.svg, was nominated on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Thank you for your contribution! Armbrust The Homunculus 05:10, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations KDS4444, and thanks for all your very hard work on this interesting image! Invertzoo (talk) 20:35, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar for you![edit]

A Barnstar!
A Gastropod Barnstar

This beautiful Gastropod Barnstar is awarded to you in recognition of your exceptional persistence and meticulousness in creating and perfecting the anatomical image of the little-known deepwater limpet Bathyacmaea secunda. Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 20:42, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
    • Thank you!, Invertzoo! You know what? I actually did end up sending a paper letter to Sasaki at the University of Tokyo Museum about a month ago, including with it a color print-out I had made of the critter, and asking for him to vet the image for me and for the Wikipedia article... So far, still nothing! I could also find no evidence of his having died since the article was first published. Maybe he doesn't speak English. I am at a loss, but am pleased enough that this limpet is going to be a featured picture (and, on January 27th, it will even be Picture of the Day for all of the English-speaking Wikipedia! Be sure to look for it then!!). Again, thank you! KDS4444Talk 09:54, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

March 9 edit-a-thon at MOCA in downtown LA[edit]

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Ways to improve Skiving (leathercraft)[edit]

Hi, I'm Carriearchdale. KDS4444, thanks for creating Skiving (leathercraft)!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Perhaps you could choose some appropriate categories near the bottom of the article to help improve the overall article and make the article more easily searchable by wikipedia users. Thanks!

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Carriearchdale (talk) 03:44, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

File:Thick Lens Diagram.svg[edit]

Thick Lens Diagram.svg

Hi KDS4444. I see that you replaced File:ThickLens.png with File:Thick Lens Diagram.svg. The change from SH and S'H' to Sn and S'n' looks like an error. Or am I missing something?

Variable names should be in italics: f, n, r, e, d, s (denoting distance). The subscripts should not be in italics unless they are themselves variables. If you want to leave the labels for points and planes (F, H, C, S) in uppercase roman type that's OK with me. Contrary to the original image, I recommend using lowercase s for distance to avoid confusion with the uppercase S marking the vertex points on the lens.--Srleffler (talk) 18:49, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

I did not realize these aspects made any difference-- thank you for pointing them out. I will correct and re-upload post haste. KDS4444Talk 21:59, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Corrections made, please look it over and let me know if it has any further problems or if you have any suggestions. Thanks again! KDS4444Talk 22:11, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. The italics don't seem to be there. Browsing the SVG it looks like you added italics, but they aren't rendering for some reason. It's a nice image by the way. Sorry to nit-pick but details matter on technical drawings. --Srleffler (talk) 01:31, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
I finally got it to give me italics by converting the text to outlines, something I always prefer not to do, but italics are italics and they matter, as you have said and as I certainly agree. Please let me know if it NOW has any issues. I think I did everything you suggested. And it's an okay picture, but I've done much better ones! KDS4444Talk 03:11, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, it looks great.--Srleffler (talk) 17:25, 23 March 2014 (UTC)