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Pectinidae and Scallop[edit]

I tried to do at least a first go-round on fixing those two articles. I left another update on the talk page at Pectinidae. There is more work to be done to the articles but I should explain that I am going away on Monday for more than two weeks and I have to do my packing now. I may not be able to do much more on this until late August. Invertzoo (talk) 17:14, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

You have at least taken a solid swipe at the business, and that is to the good. Go enjoy your vacation! The bivalvia will all be right here waiting when you return! (Bivalvia... which are clams... which are also two different articles with overlapping information... which aught to be sorted out as well at some point, it seems to me.) KDS4444Talk 07:15, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

The Bivalvia and clam thing is a bit tricky, because some people in the US use the word clam to refer only to the edible species that are infaunal, in contrast to oysters, scallops, mussels, etc. Other US people, especially I think malacologists, use the word "clam" in a broader sense to mean bivalve. People in the UK don't really use the word clam very much at all. I suppose one could argue that the common name for Bivalvia is really bivalves, not clams...? I dunno... But you are right that those articles need sorting out -- there are probably other similar things going on in other parts of the bivalve coverage. Invertzoo (talk) 23:23, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Cladistics[edit]

I did a more or less random sample of various non-molluscan creatures with common names to see what is currently being done with regard to scientific names and article titles. Here is what I found ("->" and "=>" both mean "redirects to":

  • siphonaptera (order level) -> flea
  • Rhopalocera (sub order level)->butterfly but lepidoptera (order)no redirect (includes the moths)
  • Cow->cattle, genus level
  • Bos no redirect, also genus level
  • Beef, no redirect, ONLY on food related information
  • Serpentes->snake (suborder)
  • Lacertilia->lizard (suborder)
  • Reptilia->reptile (class)
  • Cetacea no redirect (order)
  • Whale no redirect, but this is awkward as it does not give a proper taxonomy for what a "whale" then is, and the content overlaps hugely with cetacea, but this is because "whale" can include or exclude the dolphins and porpoises AND "whale" even as just cetacea includes the baleen whales and the toothed whales (both taxonomic categories); in other words, "whale" is a complicated cultural term, and is not applied consistently to a specific order (or other level)
  • Eagle no redirect and has no taxobox, stating that there are several relatively unrelated genera that are eagles, though all are diurnal birds of prey; same complicated situation as "whale" above
  • Accipitridae no redirect (is not just the eagles, because it includes hawks, osprey, etc. and some classification seems to be up for debate at the subfamily level)
  • Medusozoa (subphylum)->jellyfish
  • Araneae (order)->spider
  • Brachyura (infraorder)->crab
  • Earthworm no redirect and lumbricidae has a separate article, but these are the same animal (family level) (latter is nothing more than a one-paragraph summary of the family; also, cladistics here seem to be in a constant state of flux anyway).
  • Chilopoda (class level)->centipede
  • Primates (order level)->primate
  • Elephant no redirect, order Proboscidea has only one remaining family, Elephantidae, including elephants and mammoths. Elephantidae seems like it should redirect to elephant, and that all mammoths are also elephants— the articles overlap.
  • Nematoda->nematode
  • rodentia (order)->rodent
  • Selachimorpha (superorder)->shark (the various orders and families of shark are seldom given redirects to common names until you hit the species level. i.e., great white shark, and common names at the family level get redirected to scientific names, e.g., dog shark -> Squalidae, and even at the order level, mackerel shark gets redirected to Lamniformes, which includes the great white shark) probably because no one knows what a mackerel shark really is)
  • Aves (class level)->bird
  • Sus (genus)=>pig
  • Pork, no redirect, article ONLY On food uses
  • Camelus (genus)=>camel
  • Artiodactyla (order)=>even toed ungulates
  • Didelphimorphia (order)=>opossum

What I interpret from this is that there is a pattern of consistently using the common name with a redirect from a scientific name as long as that common name corresponds well with a scientific name (exceptions: eagles, whales, elephants, earthworms). Scientific name used when no equivalent common name exists or seems to have any regular use (i.e., mackerel sharks). There is often a gap in common usage between the the order/ suborder level and the family level, such that the superfamilies don't often have equivalent common names and neither do many of the suborders, but at the order level, family level, and species level, if the animal has a common name at that level, that is the title of the article on that animal in all respects. Mind you, my approach was not exactly scientific or methodical, but it was conducted with as few preconceptions of the business as I could muster. KDS4444Talk 04:30, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Neural map of a giant scallop[edit]

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Just wanted to say Congratulations!!! Invertzoo (talk) 22:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Flight feather[edit]

Hi there! I like the new picture you've added to the top of the flight feather article, but I have some concerns about our ability to use it on Wikipedia. You've uploaded it with the descriptor "public domain", but I see a logo in the corner (watermarks aren't generally acceptable on Wikipedia) and there is absolutely nothing on the owlpages.com website which indicates that it's a public domain picture. Do you have something that indicates it is?

Also, can I suggest that you move the new bit about coverts into the remiges section rather than the lead? The introductory paragraphs aren't supposed to include anything not mentioned in the expanded article, and (since they're not really flight feathers) I'm not sure it's appropriate to include them there anyway. It would be good to add the information into the body of the article though. :) MeegsC (talk) 01:24, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

MeegsC: Got your message. You are correct when you say that nothing on the owlpages.com web site indicates that this image (or any other on that site) is in the public domain-- my understanding is/ has been that as a line drawing without shading or color, it lacks even a minimal degree of artistic creativity and so does not meet the necessary threshold of originality to be eligible for copyright protection and therefore is in the public domain (the "owlpages.com" watermark should probably be removed from the image). However, please inform me if you think my interpretation here is incorrect-- I do try to be careful about these things, but this would not be my first mistake and I much prefer to be corrected than to be allowed to retain a misunderstanding of policy. What is your take on this??
Also, I agree with you completely on the placement of the bit on coverts— let me see what I did there and what I can do to fix it. KDS4444Talk 01:51, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Not sure. Let me run it past the more knowledgeable folks at the WP:CQ project and see what they think. If all else fails, we can probably get a project artist (there are a few in the WP:BIRDS group) that could recreate something very similar. MeegsC (talk) 02:16, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Sounds perfect to me. Let me know what comes of any discussion there. The diagram really does make the whole article much easier to comprehend (and truthfully, I could recreate an analogous image-- I just didn't want to remake the wheel if there was already one turning somewhere, is all!). KDS4444Talk 02:20, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Commenting as requested at WP:MCQ - IMHO the image is clearly of sufficient creativity to qualify for copyright protection.--ukexpat (talk) 13:32, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay, so we'll have to mark the image for deletion. Do you think you can create something similar without too much trouble? Or should we ask the lab for help (as mentioned on the WP:MCQ page)? MeegsC (talk) 21:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
One other thing: the new tectrices section will need to be referenced. (That's a requirement for FA articles — no unreferenced sections!) Do you have anything there you can use? MeegsC (talk) 21:15, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Have marked the image for deletion, reluctantly. So be it. Have added 2 citations for section on tectrices. (What's up with the section on "Delayed development in hoatzins"?? Does that really belong here in this article?) KDS4444Talk 02:09, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about that. Can you replicate it? You look to be a pretty skilled illustrator, looking at some of your other pix! Not sure whether the hoatzins bit needs to be there, but it was there when the article went FA, so presumably none of the reviewers had a problem with it. I suppose it is interesting that the developmental delay is due to the presence of claws (no other birds have them on their wings), which allow the youngsters to climb around in the trees. Thanks for the citations, by the way! MeegsC (talk) 14:40, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Am just about done putting together an image, but am using a chicken wing rather than an owl wing so that I don't create a derivative work. Chickens are a bit different from owls, but wings is wings, so I expect to have it up soon. And it looks pretty good! KDS4444Talk 23:46, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Image done: File:Chicken wing.svg. Care to add it for me?? KDS4444Talk 00:07, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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Scallop merger[edit]

Hi KDS4444,

Congratulations on getting that scallop image featured and up on the main page today! I just voiced my support at the merger you proposed. Do you intend to carry out that merger? It looks like the community is in support of it; no one has objected since you proposed it several weeks ago.

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KDS4444: Thanks for your invitation to look at a merge discussion for Pectinidae. I've acknowledged the invite there and will add more soon.
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Raashid Alvi[edit]

The pending changes protection at Raashid Alvi were removed yesterday - and this morning User:Irfan.hamd added 29Kb of the same old material.
Fully understand if you don't want to get involved - but a "heads up" if you are still interested. - Arjayay (talk) 09:45, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

He's back?? No effing way. Incredible. I have some things to take care of this morning here in Los Angeles, but when I get back, there's gonna be some trouble. Unbelievable. Well, actually, I take that back. Par for the course, I guess. Yes, I want to get involved. Wish there were no reason to. Thank you for the heads-up! I wonder if this means the page is now going to be headed for full protection... Which is ridiculous, for a third-rate Indian politician that no one has ever heard of outside of India. But whatever. I'll be back. KDS4444Talk 17:11, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Hypothetical Ancestral Mollusc[edit]

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L.A. events on October 7 and 16[edit]

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Apologies[edit]

Missed it without an edit summary. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 21:55, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Scallop anatomy diagram[edit]

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SoCal edit-a-thons on October 21 and 25[edit]

Upcoming SoCal edit-a-thons: UC Riverside (10/21, 10am-3pm) and Unforgetting L.A. (10/25, 9am-5pm)
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The Southern California Wikipedia community has two more events scheduled for the month of October: a water-related edit-a-thon at UC Riverside, and an Unforgetting L.A. event at the Los Angeles Archives Bazaar in conjunction with L.A. as Subject!

As part of Wikipedia Loves Libraries and to celebrate Open Access Week, UC Riverside is participating alongside other Western Waters Digital Library members in an edit-a-thon focusing on water issues. Join students and faculty learning how to edit! This event will take place on Tuesday, October 21 from 10am to 3pm at UCR's Orbach Science Library (map). RSVPs are requested here.

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POTD notification[edit]

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Halloween cheer![edit]

L.A. event on November 11, and a new Facebook group[edit]

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L.A. event on November 11 CANCELED[edit]

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Due to health issues affecting one of the organizers, the third Wik-Ed Women editing session (originally scheduled for Tuesday, November 11) has been canceled. We expect the series to pick up again sometime in December. Sorry for the inconvenience, and hope to see you in the near future! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:08, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

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Barnstar[edit]

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For taking initiative and providing the needed Commons expertise to shepherd a difficult and sensitive but important issue through to a successful conclusion. Thank you! --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 21:21, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

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L.A. edit-a-thon this Sunday, December 14[edit]

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peafowl[edit]

It probably needs some sort of tag; I've an idea that there might be a standard template for this, rather than an edit notice. Leave it with me, and I'll do one or the other in the next day or two. Thanks for the fixing Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:03, 13 December 2014 (UTC)