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Hello, Kaleeyed! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking Insert-signature.png if shown; this will automatically produce your username and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! Dirk Beetstra T C 07:24, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
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XLinkBot revert[edit]

I have answered on the talkpage of the bot. Thanks for the question, and I have reverted the edit to Ashtray Navigations again. Happy editing! --Dirk Beetstra T C 07:24, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Sources[edit]

Hi. thanks for your work on rugby league-related articles such as the World Cup. I noticed you using 'League Freak' as a source, but it is just a blog, so shouldn't be used. Perhaps have a read of WP:SOURCES.--Jeff79 (talk) 23:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jeff, thanks for your input here. I thought seeing as the blog was referencing another printed published periodical from 1990, "Code 13", which he says was supplied to him by Tony Collins it would be alright. But I can see why that would be a problem. What do you suggest we do here? As you might have guessed I'm not a very experienced editor, just started doing things a few years ago, but keen to imporve content on rugby league history, so i would appreciate a bit of guidance. I know that the blog is accurate from personal experience, and the version of events which is more widely know is not the whole story of this. I was reading the article as it stood on the world cup thinking 'if only people knew the true story, but I guess there's nothing out there that references it', when i came across that guys blog, and I didn't know about the policy on blog usage. I can pull the article out from "Code 13" which all his info on that blog is based on and get the publication details but that might take some time. Can you give me a few days to get the reference? Short of going to Bradford library and pulling out copies of the T&A on microfiche I don't know what else to do. As I said also the links to the old newpaper article from the sun herald from the previous edit are dead, so something needs to be done about that, as at the minute there is no reliable source for the tale in any version. OK, cheers speak soon. Kaleeyed (talk) 00:21, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

It was probably me who added that Herald article. It's a bummer how they go dead like that. Found this after a quick google search.--Jeff79 (talk) 01:11, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, the Sun Herald link isn't dead. It is linked from the part of the reference that says "Archived from the original". The article title links through to an archived copy at webcitation.org. Though their website is down at the moment, Kaleeyed, I encourage you to use it to backup any referencing that you do. LunarLander // talk // 19:37, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Ha, that's funny, history repeating? Well I suppose they found it because it's 'safe' in Auckland now. Are you going to add that into the article?
I was thinking about the 'value' of the world cup. That it cost 8 million francs in 1947 sounds astronomical. I am assuming that is a figure for the design, making it, promotion and maybe even the formation of the entire world cup, not just the trophy. It would be intersting to see if we could work out how much this would be in today's money. I'm going to have a go. Kaleeyed (talk) 11:22, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Correction I meant 1954 not 1947. Kaleeyed (talk) 11:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

{{helpme}} Picture licensing. I want to use this picture http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-vn3562091 on the page for Johnny Raper. The copyright is held by the national Library of Australia. I contacted their pictures department for permission to use it and the librarian granted written and signed permission which I have a copy of. However I looked at wiki's policies for creative commons licensing and now I'm not sure the signed permission form they've given me is enough. What should I do now? Do I need to further clarify under what copyright terms this picture can be used?Kaleeyed (talk) 12:47, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Ask here - Wikipedia:Media copyright questions - you will find editors who have good knowledge on the subject.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:16, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Ron, will do that. Cheers.Kaleeyed (talk) 20:56, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Awesome start[edit]

I just came here from your excellent work at Talk:Lucifer (rock band)#Some suggestions for improving this article and User talk:Luciferfan#Lucifer article and I am astounded at the knowledge of Wikipedia you've gained in such a short time of contributing.

And thanks also for the encouragement you're giving Luciferfan. What more can I say, I'm impressed. Andrewa (talk) 19:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, glad to be appreciated. Well, I've been loitering around wikipedia for a few years before I got an account, made a few crap IP address edits that were always reverted straight away because I didn't have a clue what I was doing or what wikipedia was about. I suppose that made me look into why they were taken down, and make sure future edits were water tight so they'd stay there, so I learnt from the experience. Learning how to do citations was a big sticking point, but the Cite tool has really made that easy, and if I have a problem I look at how the coding's been done on other pages.
I've recently been doing mostly musician biographies work, so I've been grappling for a few weeks with all the things relevant to this Lucifer article, so it's all quite clear in my mind. Otherwise i don't think I'd have had a clue. Still a lot of things here are a mystery to me. Like I just did a hell of a lot of work on the Ike Turner page, using a musicians page layout and then realised the format for a R and B musician is completely different! any suggestions what to do in that case?
I thought I'd give Luciferfan the opportunity to improve the page himself before I dive in, as I've got enough on my plate at the mo. I think he's goning to stuggle with the references though, but maybe he'll work it out. Is there a specific article explaining how to make references using the Cite tool? I couldn't find one. Thanks again, all the best Kaleeyed (talk) 22:55, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

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Sir Jimmy Savile OBE coffin picture[edit]

What an exceptionally good picture

Sir Jimmy Saville's Coffin on display in the Queen's Hotel, Leeds, 8th November 2011.jpg

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You've got the coffin itself, the picture of JS, the This is Your Life books... Well done, sir. Tonywalton Talk 02:14, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

The World Is Rich[edit]

Hi. Thanks for expanding the article on The World Is Rich. However, the text you added was copy & pasted from another site (via the source you provided in the article), and therefore has to be reverted. Please see WP:COPYVIO for more info. However, please feel free to re-write the synopsis in your own words. Thanks. Lugnuts (talk) 13:38, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

You CAN has cheeseburger. :-D[edit]

Cheeseburger.png Good edit on Get Carter. Math321 (talk) 19:21, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar[edit]

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For your outstanding contributions over the last month or so in turning a previously mediocre article, Get Carter, into one worthy of a featured article nomination. Well done! Bob talk 12:43, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Ah sorry about that - that's the problem with assumptions! I've enjoyed watching the article get bigger and better every day - you should definitely remove the "additional citations required" template, or is removing that going to be the big "finally finished this" moment? Bob talk 17:50, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


Hey, no worries Bob, I can see why you would assume that I'm a guy, seeing as only about 5% of the fans of this film are women! Thanks again for the barnstar and the nice comments, I like that people on wikipedia are very appreciative and helpful generally, which makes editing on here worthwhile.

I agree with you, thought the article was very mediocre before, just obsessed with the tiny details of the plot and the car park. I picked up the excellent book on Get Carter by Steve Chibnall which was the impetus for doing this I suppose, but I was actually surprisedat the vast amount of source material out there once I started looking. I thought at first I'd end up plagarising Mr Chibnall, which I hope I've avoided (still a bit sketchy on what counts as plagarisim and what is 'referencing').

Not sure what to do with the citations template, There are still a few bits in there added by other people which I didn't remove but still need referencing. I'm thinking in particular of the bits about the poster artwork and a couple of bits in the influence section. I think there might be some relevant bits in the Chibnall's book, but I have to check. I didn't want to be presumptuous enough to remove the template myself, I'd rather someone else removed it after they'd checked it was OK. If you want to do it go ahead.

I also think the article needs a section on 'critical reappraisal', as a big part of the film's story was that it was a mostly forgotten cult throughout the 80s, when it was seen as a sexist throwback or an undistinguished pulp film. Gangster films were not classed as having artistic merit in the UK for decades, until the 90s really. I think this differs from the influence section because the film was not really recognised as important or ground breaking for years. The endorsement of Quentin Tarantino and the rise of 'lad culture' did a lot to get UK critics interested in the film again. So when that's done I would consider my work here finished :-) Kaleeyed (talk) 18:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Whoops, and of course a discussion of the themes in the film, which are its basis in revenge tragedy, corruption hypocrisy and crime, the north-south divide, death and maybe something about hodge's signature touches- I think he's a bit of an auteur in his own way, and terribly underrated. Kaleeyed (talk) 18:22, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, with 124 references spread across a wide variety of sources, it definitely doesn't need the template any more, so I've removed that. To be honest, I would say that if there is any content in the article that was there previously and not cited that you aren't happy with, then it should definitely go, as it was probably speculation anyway, and that stuff about the poster sounds rather original researchy. You raise some interesting points about revenge tragedy - I note Chibnall's book makes the comparison on page 7, but there must be an article out there that compares it thoroughly to Titus Andronicus or the Duchess of Malfi or something! I must admit, other than this and, ahem Flash Gordon, I'm not particularly familiar with Hodges' other works. Bob talk 23:10, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
OK, thanks for removing the template. I think there is information about the poster in Chibnall which reads very similarly to the stuff in the article. I just need to find the reference and maybe simplfy it a bit. When I first looked at the article parts of it read like they had been written by someone who had read Chibnall but hadn't cited the book. I think there's more mentions of the revenger's tragedy in Chibnall, and also in this book he did with Robert Murphy, http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_--Ebdp6mwAC&lpg=PA128&ots=XKjz5nYrQ6&dq=michael%20klinger%20mgm&pg=PA127#v=onepage&q=michael%20klinger%20mgm&f=false

I've referenced this book briefly, but I haven't had chance to read the article thoroughly to see what it contains. Hodges has a really small filmography, he had a lot of misfortune in his film career, and Flash Gordon is maybe not the best example! I recently watched Pulp, the film he did after Get Carter with Michael Caine and Michael Klinger again. It's maybe not a masterpiece like Carter, it has a few flaws but I found it very interesting in its style and entertaining, and I'd like to watch it again so I would recommend that. I also want to watch his sci fi The Terminal Man (film), Croupier (film) and I'll Sleep When I'm Dead (film) (which is meant to have a lot of similarities to Get Carter, but with a different tone).

I'm going to nominate Get Carter for good article to start with, what do you think Bob? Does it make a difference if I nominate it, seeing as I've done so much work on it, or would you care to nominate it for me instead? Cheers, Kaleeyed (talk) 14:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Good idea. I'm a bit out of the loop with regards to GA standards these days, so I probably ought not to review it myself, but I've given it a look over, and one thing I have noticed on a quick skim-through for potential banana skins is that although the references are mostly consistant in style, or or two are just weblinks or have slight formatting problems, ie 39 and 47. I'm happy to have a look over these if you like? Bob talk 23:25, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Bob, sorry for the delay getting back to you. If you wouldn't mind sorting out those weblinks that'd be great. They were links that were added before I started working on it. Cheers. Now I've nominated it I keep seeing bits that I think are not very strong, the filming bit needs a lot more work so it reads like a consistant account of the filming rather than a series of anecdotes. There is maybe some irrelevent detail in there too. I think the pre-production section might be too long, I wonder if there is a case for including a locations section in this article, seeing as so much information seems to be available about them?

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Leveson Inquiry[edit]

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WikiProject Leeds[edit]

Hello there,

I have recently located and found the project that you have previously been involved in, WikiProject Leeds, and since it has not been updated in over a year, wondered if you would help me in reviving and updating the project from it's current inactive state.

Thank you for your time and please do not hesitate to reply so that we can get this project back up and running to revive Leeds!

Regards,

Tomdaone 14:05, 20 June 2013 (UTC)