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Welcome[edit]

Greetings...

Hello, Kavas, and welcome to Wikipedia!

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I hope you like it here and decide to stay!
Happy editing! AbhishekTalk 14:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Hizbullah[edit]


Hey Khutuck, have you read the reference Kermanshahi added about Hizbullah? The reference puts Hizbullah into Turkey's side but with scepticism. Kavas (talk) 01:52, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Yep, I've read the source, but I believe its coverage is not complete. Actually we should add Hizbullah to both sides. I know there are some allegations about Hizbullah-Turkish deep state cooperation in first half of 1990s, but also there are some other allegations about PKK-Hizbullah cooperation in second half of 1990s too. Also, Hizbullah and PKK was both fighting for an independant/autonom Kurdish state, Hizbullah wanted an İslamic state whike PKK wanted a Marxist-Leninist state. All three parties fought against each other in different time frames.
Also, KDP and PUK has fought on both sides, too. There are many account that PUK/KDP peshmergah was killed in firefights together with PKK, and many accounts PUK/KDP has helped PKK. PUK, KDP and PKK were rivals on the same front most of the time.
In this 33 year timeframe, everyone fought against everyone.--Khutuck (talk) 10:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

FAR[edit]

I have nominated Turkey for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dana boomer (talk) 14:00, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Timeline of Turkey[edit]

Hi Kavas, you have changed the contents of Timeline of Turkey on 18 September 2010. However the new text is an outline rather than a timeline. Please consider redirecting the article to Timeline of the Republic of Turkey as before and moving the present text to Outline of Turkish history ? Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 19:26, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Anatolian beyliks[edit]

Regarding Template:History of Turkey: I reformatted the template for aesthetic reasons and left that one out by accident. Sorry about that, it's back now. Dallyripple (talk) 17:14, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Turkish Artists[edit]

Here's some articles on Turkish artists from Grove Art Online to use in Wikipedia. -- Börnstein (talk) 13:49, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Re google search request[edit]

Are you unable to perform the search or are you trying to bait me into a trap on the Turkey-PKK move request? If you have a specific question or comment about my relisting of the move, please be upfront with it. Thanks -Mike Cline (talk) 19:32, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I asked an admin to help me in a google search but he declined. Can someone help me? A Wikipedia editor called Kermanshahi claims "Per google search, "Kurdish-Turkish conflict" shows 93.400 results", but I found 18,600 results. So whose number is correct? Can you as a third person please make a google search by typing "Kurdish-Turkish conflict" and write the result in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Turkey_%E2%80%93_Kurdistan_Workers%27_Party_conflict#Requested_Move ? Kavas (talk) 20:41, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I did refuse your request, but albeit with some suspicion, asked you to be more specific about why you wanted me to do something that you could do just as well. When I search for:
  • Kurdish-Turkish conflict - 18,700,000
  • kurdish turkish conflict -15,300,000
  • "Kurdish-Turkish conflict" - 90,900
  • --Mike Cline (talk) 21:06, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I found the problem. google.com and google.com.tr find different results, that's the reason for different results. Kavas (talk) 21:09, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Kurdish-Turkish conflict[edit]

Could you open a new RM please, just to rename it back? I was a bit late to oppose, current name of the article is completely wrong. It's like renaming "Battle of Normandy" as "World War II".--Khutuck (talk) 08:44, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok, please inform me.--Khutuck (talk) 10:47, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Gaza Flotilla Raid[edit]

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Thancks for contributions[edit]

Katkilar için tessekürler, ez te spas dikim heval --Alsace38 (talk) 13:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

biraz bakabilirmisiniz?[edit]

Slm, asiri milliyetci ermeniler yaptigi bu [maddeye] biraz bakabilirmisiniz? Bize ne kadar iftira ediyorlar bunlar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sederton (talkcontribs) 14:11, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

decline of the Ottoman Empire[edit]

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Move of "2013 protests in Turkey" to "2013 Turkish protests"[edit]

Hi Kavas. I was hoping you can chime in again here to comment on moving the article to "2013 Turkish protests". If you prefer "2013 Turkey protests", feel free to change my comment to that. I have no strong preference. Thanks! Capscap (talk) 21:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

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July 2013[edit]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Template:History of Turkey. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Go to talk page of the template, you are trying to make major changes. Cavann (talk) 16:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

July 2013 - II[edit]

And you are now edit warring on {{Turkish elections}}. Please stop and discuss on the talk page. Thanks, Number 57 19:38, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Turkish summer[edit]

Hello, I've thought about your advice. First of all, the Turkish Summer name can be usable. But! We simply can't classify the protests here as an impact of the Arab Spring, as the protests and demonstrations here go in a humorist, naturist and a intelligence-using way and the violence is being used by governmental forces instead of protestors. Not just me, lots of global sources classify the protests as very different from Arab Spring with statements like "the most intelligence and humour used protests of the age". And I agree with this statement as a protester here in Turkey, cause you can see the solidarity here between all nations and religions in a peaceful manner, trying to prevent every single usage of violence, firstly by police. If you compare the protests here with Arab Spring, you can see that this is so different from them. But I said Turkish Summer name can be usable because it is different from the definiton of Arab Spring or Impact of the Arab Spring. If we should make a summary about the protests here in Turkey under the Arab Spring title, we should tell about how different these protests are from the Arab Spring if we compare them. Thanks. Berkaysnklf (talk), 14 July, 2013, 17:21 (UTC)

Impact of the Arab Spring isnt the same with "Arab Spring", it includes protests in Western countries like Occupy Wall Street or Occupy London and it excludes Arab Spring. Kavas (talk) 17:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

help[edit]

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I can't add a note with a reference. Can anybody help please? This is the note I want to add to 2013_protests_in_Turkey: "According to a survey by GENAR, 74.6% of Gezi Park protesters who voted for a party in the previous elections voted for CHP.[1]" Kavas (talk) 16:15, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Reply to {{help me}} request: It appears properly formatted. What is happening when you try to add it. Are you getting an error? —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 16:21, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I receive this: "According to a survey by GENAR, 74.6% of Gezi Park protesters who voted for a party in the previous elections voted for CHP. [t24.com.tr/haber/geziciler-ile-ilgili-en-kapsamli-anket/231899 "Geziciler ile ilgili en kapsamlı anket"] Check |url= scheme (help) (in Turkish). T24. 13 June 2013. Retrieved 16 July 2013."
"http://" was missing at url=. Kavas (talk) 16:44, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
So is the issue resolved? —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 16:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I found the issue and fixed it on the article page. You had the "ref" tag before the text you wanted to add. I moved it to the right place. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 16:53, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Ok, now I think I see what you want to do, but I don't think this is the right way to accomplish it. You want a regular reference, but which also generates a note in the note section, is that right? Because I think that it might just be better to add the text parenthetically after the statement with a regular reference. What is happening now is you have a reference in the Notes section, not in the referenced section where it belongs. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 17:25, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Adding the text parenthetically is not a bad idea. But, I changed my idea, a reference in the Notes section is OK. Kavas (talk) 18:19, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I think I found what you are looking for. I found it on another page, but I think you can modify it for your use, the key is the "at=" parameter:

<ref name="RIAA">{{cite web|url=http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?artist=%22Embrya%22|title=American album certifications – Maxwell – Embrya|publisher=[[Recording Industry Association of America]]|accessdate=July 16, 2013|at=''If necessary, click ''Advanced'', then click ''Format'', then select ''Album'', then click ''SEARCH''}}</ref>

It's really not right to have a reference in the notes section when the article has a large reference section of its own. Using this method will ensure the reference can be easily found in the right section, and there will only be actual notes in the notes section. —    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  — 21:42, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Blind reverts[edit]

This edit is completely unacceptable. If you believe the edit contains material which is "contrary to ref used" (which it does not), then remove that specific bit of the article or tag it so that I can see which bit you mean. A wholescale reversion is appalling, and if repeated, will result in a request for sanction. Number 57 16:54, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Go ahead for a sanction. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkish_constitutional_referendum,_1982&diff=564531113&oldid=564530752 I was trying to keep the correct edits, but you reverted blindly. Kavas (talk) 16:58, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
It's contrary to the reference I used. Did you read it? Kavas (talk) 16:59, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
What is contrary? The registered voters/turnout? The fact that it was a new constitution rather than changes to the old one? The number of members of the Assembly or how they were appointed? Number 57 17:00, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
As you're reverting my edits, it'd be tiresome to show what's contrary and what's correct. Kavas (talk) 17:01, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
For big revisions, use the talk page first to discuss what you'll change. Kavas (talk) 17:02, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
No, that's not how Wikipedia works. If you don't like the changes, it's up to you to identify what is wrong. Please tag what you see as being incorrect. Number 57 17:04, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Talkpages are useful as you don't agree with another editor, and you wanted to change the content I wrote. If you edit a page which is not on discussion, you can directly alter the text. This is how Wikipedia works. Kavas (talk) 17:07, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
They are useful, but reverting several changes including some obvious corrections for an unspecified reason is not acceptable. I haven't actually changed to meaning of what you wrote, only the wording - there were several English mistakes in what you had previously written. All I want is for you to identify what is wrong - why is that so difficult? Number 57 17:12, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I was trying to keep all good edits http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkish_constitutional_referendum,_1982&diff=564531113&oldid=564530752 Kavas (talk) 17:14, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
A blind reversion followed by some undoing is not how you do that. Please just tag what is "wrong". Number 57 17:15, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
PS - if you are preparing another undo, please don't - just tag what is supposedly wrong. Number 57 17:16, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I can't edit a page you're being involved in since you quickly revert it before I can finish the edits. "A blind reversion followed by some undoing is not how you do that." is not against 3RR, as you can revert yourself, as I was trying to do, but you didn't allow me by a quick revert. Kavas (talk) 17:21, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
If you tag the parts of the text you have issues with, I will not remove them until they have been discussed. Number 57 17:23, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
The whole problem is that you didn't let me finish my first edit, so maybe we didn't have to make this conversation and we could directly start discussing the problem with the new text. (It was actually one revert but I was trying to fix every paragraph with one edit and you reverted me at the 2nd edit.)Kavas (talk) 17:31, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I have asked several times what the problem is (starting with my second comment here), so please enlighten me. Number 57 17:34, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I can't answer now. I have to check the text first. (Yes I found an obvious mistake before the revert but I'm not sure if it's the only mistake. Kavas (talk) 17:35, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Please let me know when you have done so. And I do wonder why you couldn't just remove that you deemed to be an obvious mistake. Number 57 17:38, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I'll start it by checking the book you used as a reference (If I can find it.): http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkish_constitutional_referendum,_1982&diff=next&oldid=407146755 Kavas (talk) 18:11, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Why? That (I assume you're referring to the Nohlen book) only lists the results. I'm not sure why you think there's an error there. Number 57 18:20, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't assume there's an error, but I have to check it as Oct 23/Nov 7 error seems to originate from that book.Kavas (talk) 18:25, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

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List of massacres in Turkey[edit]

Hello, I am writing this to you in order to inform you that some Turkish-related articles have for quite some time been hijacked by a group of editors whose only goal, it seems, is to negatively portray the Republic of Turkey, its predesseccors and its people as warmongerming murderers. This has especially become a problem in the article of List of massacres in Turkey where they only allow information about Turks killing others, and delete all reliabely sourced information about massacres against Turks/Muslims. By doing WP:OR, discrediting sources and authors, source falsification, distortion and tag bombing.

Sources which state the number of Muslims casualties during the Greco-Turkish war is persistently being deleted.

Your help is needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.178.77.28 (talk) 20:22, 26 August 2013 (UTC)


Biography policy[edit]

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I created a page but the 3rd party sources are all in Turkish & Norwegian. I don't know Norwegian so I need a Wikipedian that can understad Norwegian. Another editor removed the sources in Norwegian claiming that the source has no mention of Prof. Bayindir. But it indeeds mentions it. Can you translate it to English and I can add it back? http://www.nordlys.no/nyheter/article6440700.ece (the article) Kavas (talk) 02:40, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

How exactly were you able to summarize sources you cannot understand? While the source does mention Prof. Bayindir, it does not cover him in any detail and does not confirm what it was cited for. Re-adding that source would not serve much of a purpose. Huon (talk) 03:10, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Well I know the information from a video in Turkish tv that Norwegian media covered a project he was involved in. The reference was added to show that he went to Norway for this project. Kavas (talk) 03:12, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
    • ^ ([t24.com.tr/haber/geziciler-ile-ilgili-en-kapsamli-anket/231899 "Geziciler ile ilgili en kapsamlı anket"] Check |url= scheme (help) (in Turkish). T24. 13 June 2013. Retrieved 16 July 2013. )