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Kelvinsong
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This editor registered on April 6, 2012. At the time of this award Kevinsong had 515 edits. An active contributer of complex svg renderings and illustrations with high quality, encyclopedic use! His contributions can be seen on Endoplasmic reticulum, Centrosome cycle and Nucleotide.
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Chloroplasts and friends[edit]

Hello there. So, what issues with Template:Infobox cell biology are you seeing that I'm missing. :/ —Sowlos  14:37, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

As far as your comment in your edit summary at Chloroplast, I chose numbered diagrams for two reasons. One, they're commonly used over in-picture labels. Two, text in the pictures are unreadable unless blown up to sizes which should be avoided. Even then such text is still not big enough when considering accessibility for the disabled or users on mobile devices. ...making the usage of such image sizes of limited benefit anyway. —Sowlos  14:52, 14 August 2013 (UTC)


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Glad you asked! I appreaciate the effort, I really do, and I'm definitely not saying it's "useless" because I think making templates for these things is a good idea. That being said, you're going around and fixing what ain't broke. I don't watch every single cell biology article, but the ones you've added the template to seem to be ones that already had a working diagram there (like at Chloroplast or Centrosome). The main benefit I see in these templates is that they bold the name of the organelle part that the article is about (very useful actually because a lot of them have a forest of labels for a reader to search through to find the right one). So I think {{Infobox cell biology}} is more suited for the organelle subarticles like Crista or Chloroplast membrane where I haven't drawn a more specific diagram (unlike at Centriole).
Aside from that, two concrete problems with the templates are
1 They use the numbered diagrams, which are very hard to read. I made those for other language wikis for which there's no translation. In reply to your second comment Again, number labels are confusing and difficult to read/understand. Regarding mobile devices, I use one, and the text is actually clearer on one than on a desktop. Regarding disabled users, maybe some of my solution ideas below can help.
2 The chloroplast numbered diagram is out of date and scientifically inaccurate. I've since uploaded a redrawn version that can be found at File:Chloroplast structure.svg or File:Chloroplast II.svg. There's also a minimalist style I have going on at Chloroplast that the template doesn't really mesh with.
So complaining done, here are some solutions I'd be happy with
1 I can typeset new versions of my diagrams which have labels like 1 Thylakoid—, 1.1 Lumen—, 2 Stroma—, etc. Then you can list them under the diagram like you're already doing.
2 Use linked labels, like in {{Calvin cycle}}. I really like this idea because it keeps the text in the diagram and is good for accessibility reasons, but it's hard to implement and we can't have underlines under the links without causing problems on old IE.
—Love, Kelvinsong talk 15:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
... you're going around and fixing what ain't broke.
Well, if things can be made better, something is being fixed. :p As far is nothing being broken, that's iffy. While lead images can be larger than most others, sidebars and thumbs stay around 220px wide for a reason (MOS:IMAGES#Forced_image_size).
I can typeset new versions of my diagrams which have labels like 1 Thylakoid—, 1.1 Lumen—, 2 Stroma—, etc. Then you can list them under the diagram like you're already doing.
As long as the number are readable at 220px wide, that sounds like a really cool idea.
Use linked labels, like in {{Calvin cycle}}.
That looks very cool. If we do it that way, then the trailing list of links should be removed, right?
The main benefit I see in these templates is that they bold the name of the organelle part that the article is about (very useful actually because a lot of them have a forest of labels for a reader to search through to find the right one).
Yes, this is the main reason I decided to make the template. The other big benefit is constancy.
Thanks for the changes you made. I was planning on adding more dynamic behaviour based on what diagrams are shown.
Cheers —Sowlos  15:40, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Chloroplast ultrastructure (interactive diagram) Chloroplasts have at least three distinct membrane systems, and a variety of things can be found in their stroma.
I made {{Chloroplast structure}} which makes an interactive linked diagram. (Which I managed to make work sort of with IE6!) I don't think it would be hard to distinguish the label that represents the page its transcluded in.—Love, Kelvinsong talk 18:21, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Wow, you did a lot of work in my absence! *bows*
That template looks great. I won't have time to duplicate your work into other *structure templates until later today or tomorrow, but once we have replacements for all the images, they can be swapped out. The data cells should be able to take the same kind of borderless styling you applied to the images.
Sure, I don't see why the label for the host page of a transclusion shouldn't be noticeable. They can always be styled to stand out with parser-functions/magic-words. —Sowlos  21:38, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! Actually, come to think about it, highlighting the labels is going to be pretty hard. It's only easy on a diagram like {{Chloroplast structure}} where the text labels have already been positioned over the graphic ones. It's not scalable either. Anyway, are we going to be adding other data cells like Sedimentation coefficient, average size, etc?—Love, Kelvinsong talk 00:42, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I would think adding {{#ifeq: link-target|{{PAGENAME}}|rgba([somethig-get-the-text-red],0);|rgba(6, 69, 173, 0);}} to the color value for each of the links. I'm confused, though, because the color value you're using should be an ugly blue, links with no colours look like fuzzy doubles (even though their is no second set of text underneath), and unformatted text outside of the divs display white. My knowledge of HTML and WikiMedia's crazy syntax is clashing. Can you help shed any light on this?
Anyway, are we going to be adding other data cells like Sedimentation coefficient, average size, etc?
I'm completely open to this, but still sceptical. How much should we add; what's related *and* too important to leave out? Lots of infoboxes and navboxes end up awash in *related* information or are built to a certain size because they're expected to contain some minimum amount of information (Roman Empire is a great example of the latter). This is where the nickname "disinfobox" comes from. While I'm fine with big, I looked towards the infoboxes for the chemacle elements and planets as a model for {{Infobox cell biology}}, I'm still debating how to adapt there example here. As always, the more input, the merrier. —Sowlos  07:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Chloroplast template.svg
How the linked image works is it has four layers. The first layer is the SVG rendered text labels layer. It's an image. The layer on top of that is a conditionally opaque white shield. It has the style "background: white; background: rgba(255,255,255,0);" Because of that, if a user's browser supports rgba alpha, it will render the shield transparent and reveal the SVG text below. Otherwise it covers it up. The third layer is the green chloroplast itself, positioned so the white box under it doesn't cover it up. The fourth layer is the HTML links. They're styled with "color: rgba([wikilink blue], 0)" That way, if the user's browser doesn't support rgba alpha, it will display the HTML links opaque (as well as cover up the SVG prerendered text.) If the user's browser supports alpha, the HTML links are transparent and only show the underlines.—Love, Kelvinsong talk 19:17, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Did you really make visualization just for this post? xD
Eh, I should've realized the text layer was still there. I thought you just removed it. Honestly, I'm surprised WikiMedia's rasterizing of SVGs allows such creative solutions. Why not just remove the text and make the floating wikilinks visible? Is that related to the support issue you referred to? —Sowlos  23:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
The wikilinks are hidden for typographical reasons. The SVG text looks much nicer and doesn't fluctuate cross-browser or cross-OS.—Love, Kelvinsong talk 00:25, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

CaF arb break[edit]

Mitochondrion ultrastructure (interactive diagram) A mitochondrion has a double membrane; the inner one contains its chemiosmotic apparatus and has deep grooves which increase its surface area. While commonly depicted as an "orange sausage with a blob inside of it" (like it is here), mitochondria can take many shapes[1] and their intermembrane space is quite thin.

I hope I didn't maim your work too badly. Oh, and there are no blue underlines for the links. Unfortunately, I've literally just run out of time. Only Outer mitochondrial membrane, Porin, Intermembrane space, Inner mitochondrial membrane are working at the moment.

Ok, for the mitochondrion you might want to wait for me to rework it like the chloroplast one as the article version is a bit messy right now. And why are you using image map—the whole point of the text labels is the underlines and people being able to highlight the diagram and see the text (useful for accessibility reasons). & as it seems youre using File:Mitochondrion mini.svg instead of the article version, I would uggest you design at 300px because this solution isnt scalable.—Love, Kelvinsong talk 03:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I used File:Mitochondrion mini.svg. I simply modified the mitochondrion image currently in the template. I've added a visualization of the template in the /doc with all parameters set, so it should be easier to determine what the state of diagrams and links are.
I tried out an image map because I thought you didn't like the blue underlines.lol I figured throwing them out was preferable to keeping them unstyled, since theirs no visual indication that the titles are links anyway. Also, I was planning on suggesting using parser functions to place the "you are here" labels you came up with next to the relevant links. That would indicate the diagrams are dynamic and might prompt users to move the mouse over them (then noticing the cursor changing to a pointer over links).
Hmmm, it hadn't occurred to me that someone might try highlighting an image. Good point.
I'm not married to either solution, so if you think absolute positioned links are the better way to go, I'm okay with that.
If the mitochondrion image isn't ready, what about Golgi, nucleus, and centrosome? And what should we do about the other images? They're not all great, but look okay for the moment. (I was annoyed I couldn't find a good diagram of the ribosome, though.) I could try to redraw them in the same style as your images, but (as I'm sure you know) it takes a bit of effort to properly imitate someone else's style. —Sowlos  10:56, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I copied the chloroplast template over to the mitochondrion one—you just need to position the labels now. When you're done, just use a text editor to replace all occurences of color: rgba(6, 69, 173, 1); with color: rgba(6, 69, 173, 0);. I'll try to fix the golgi and centrosome pictures soon, I didn't make the nucleus picture but I can still typeset it. I don't think its possible to find a ribosome picture cause they're so simple (And here come the angry ribosome-scientists). Unless we're going to label every protein/rRNA loop in the things. & Then we'd have to decide whether we're drawing a bacterial, archæan, chloroplast, mitochondrial, eukaryotic, etc. ribosome.

BTW, I'm a minimalist (flat-design to be specific) so most of my pictures and templates (and my user/talk pages) reflect that. I used to declare that on my user page but ironically it got swept out because I'm a minimalist. ;) —Love, Kelvinsong talk 17:15, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

All the links are positioned, with alpha set to 0. I created some redirects so all labels could be linked.
I will wait eagerly for the Golgi and centrosome pictures. Oh and talking about pictures you didn't upload. The tweaked mitochondria pictures I uploaded are at File:Mitochondrion structure.svg and File:Mitochondrion structure no text.svg. So if you find yourself wanting to do anything with pictures given those names, feel free to upload over them. Also if you do, feel free to remove the "modified by Sowlos" part. Or if you prefer, let me know and I will.
Ribosomes may be small, but big things come in small packages! A ribosomal diagram would have at least two subunites to label, anyway. ;) If we were to label the rRNA and proteins, obviously we'd use eukaryotic ribosome. We humans eukaryote chauvinists after all. Joking aside, they seem too important to every cell and some organelles to overlook. Perhaps a diagram would simply highlight the subunits and two ...squigles, labelling them as rRNA and Ribosomal protein? —Sowlos  11:09, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Looks great! I've added it to Mitochondrion. For the ribosomes, wouldn't it be better just to modify something like the File:Chloroplast and bacterial ribosome comparison.png that I used at Chloroplast?—Love, Kelvinsong talk 13:57, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

parabola diagram[edit]

Thanks very much for producing the diagram about areas of parabolic segments. I was actually contemplating asking you to do such a diagram, but I was still hunting in Commons in the hope of finding one. Yours is excellent. Thanks again. DOwenWilliams (talk) 04:46, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome!—Love, Kelvinsong talk 12:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Note glitch[edit]

Hi K:

I added a footnote to the parabola article. It turned out that, on my screen, the "[d]" (or whatever) on which the reader hovers or clicks to see the note was at the extreme right-hand end of a line, and it somehow overlapped into the space of your new diagram. As a result, the note couldn't be read. I've fixed this in this case by adding a couple of words to the main text, so the thing gets scrolled to the next line. However, I guess on screens of different sizes, the problem could still occur.

Maybe this happens because your diagram doesn't have a frame. This might cause confusion as to the area it occupies.

What do you think?

DOwenWilliams (talk) 16:11, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Fixed by encapsulating the text in a div with some CSS that lifts it above the diagram.—Love, Kelvinsong talk 16:49, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure that I understand, but if it works, that's all that matters. Thanks. Hugs. DOwenWilliams (talk) 19:23, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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Article Feedback Tool update[edit]

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Botany, FA candidate[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Chloroplast[edit]

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Hi Kelvinsong, I've left a first-pass stream of comments on the GA review page. The basic drift is that the article is much too long and complex to occupy the kind of top-level position of a topic like Chloroplast that a schoolkid might search for: it will not become a GA without splitting off several sub-articles as I've indicated. This has been nothing like any review I have ever attempted - usually we have flaky references and patchy coverage. Here, the task is to simplify and summarize. I don't think any of the material will just be cut - it will all have a home somewhere, just in sub-articles in most cases, though the overlap with Photosynthesis will likely demand some simple pruning. I do hope this is all right with you, and I appreciate the extraordinary work you've put in on the graphics. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:56, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Chloroplast[edit]

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Wow[edit]

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Reading chloroplast I was wondering who had made those beautiful graphics - to which I click through to your userpage to find you have contributed loads! They are incredibly detailed, informative, visually appealing and add so much encyclopedic values to articles. Just as a little thank-you for brightening up my day and for your service to Wikipedia, and ultimately humanity, I, Acather96 (talk · contribs), hereby award you this barnstar! Display it with pride :) Acather96 (click here to contact me) 20:02, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you!!!!!—Love, Kelvinsong talk 00:13, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Absolutely amazing artwork! cslarsen (talk) 18:30, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks sm!!!—Love, Kelvinsong talk 19:01, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

There is a discussion at Talk:List of United States congressional districts related to style of new district-level maps for the post-2013 United States congressional districts. Your input would be appreciated. Thank you. --7partparadigm talk 02:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the WV barnstar graphic[edit]

What the subject line says. I checked out your userpage on the way here, and you've got a gorgeous set of illustrations there! The combination of willingness, artistic talent, and hard work makes you a real asset to the project. Ammodramus (talk) 02:28, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks sm!!!!¡—Love, Kelvinsong talk 20:58, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Pocohontas Coalfield map[edit]

Hi there, thanks for creating the above at the map workshop. Just to let you know, the colour conventions normally used with this type of map are shown in this guide, which might be useful in the future. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ Star.pngtalk 04:51, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome! I didn't use those map colors bc I figured those were only for map-maps, not simple maps designed to just show one thing (like territorial distribution, etc). && I find the color choices there to be rather ugly too (sorry manilla just doesn't work for me).—Love, Kelvinsong talk 20:58, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm not too keen on the manilla either but for consistency it fits in with thousands of other location maps. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ Star.pngtalk 15:08, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the Sevastopol map[edit]

Thank you for the Sevastopol map you made for us! I left some feedback at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop#Sevastopol within the Crimean peninsula as the city is very dependent of maritime trade so showing/coloring the sea is important for this map.

I also made a new request for a similar matter. We need a location map now for the city showing its administrative divisions. You can check the request at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop#Location map for Sevastopol.

Once again, thank you for your time and effort, it's highly appreciated.

Ahnoneemoos (talk) 04:55, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Nppp!!! Sorry I saw this on my phone & forgot to reply later.. But it looks like someone else already did the city location mapp—Love, Kelvinsong talk 21:08, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For this edit. Pine 05:13, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
😏💁—Love, Kelvinsong talk 21:09, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Diagram of Jupiter[edit]

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Thank you! A gift from fellow Wikipedians.[edit]

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Done! Thank you!!!—Love, Kelvinsong talk 20:51, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the Supercell diagram[edit]

Hey once again Kelvinsong! Regarding the supercell diagram, you've uploaded a newer version of the vector graphic of it. It should have been uploaded as a different file as it is a FP locally here at Commons, so by guidelines uploading it seperately would be ideal. Best and regards, ///EuroCarGT 02:31, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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Neptune[edit]

Hello Kelvinsong!

I saw your amazing work on the diagrams of the structures of planets! congratulations! I would like to ask you if you could translate the Neptune diagram in Portuguese, because I'm working on this article there and it would be of great importance to have an illustration with such great quality.

Another Neptune diagram.svg

here are the translations

  • Netuno
  • todos os components desenhados em escala
  • distância .... raios planetários
  • campo de visão
  • deslocamento em x
  • deslocamento em y
  • magnetic pole = polo magnético
  • rotational pole = polo de rotação
  • upper cloud layer = camada de nuvens superior
  • water-ammonia sea = camada de água e ammonia
  • rocky core = núcleo rochoso
  • Great dark spot = Grande Mancha Escura
  • methane cirrus cloud = nuvem cirro de metano
  • xxxxx ring = anel de xxxxx
  • xxxxx's orbit = órbita de xxxxx
  • Triton=Tritão
  • feature no longer exists= característica não mais existente

Thanks! WOtP (talk) 13:54, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done—but please be more complete in your translations next time! If I didn’t speak some Spanish and French, I would not have been able to use these translations—Love, Kelvinsong talk 22:03, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Netuno.svg