User talk:Kgfleischmann

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Hello Kgfleischmann,

I have been posting material to the G.hn site. I am confused as to why you have an issue with the recent posting about Tango Tec? We have cited a reference to the press release. What is the issue?

Thanks, JeffJBW123 18:10, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

See Talk:G.hn, I opened a discussion there. Greetings --Kgfleischmann (talk) 18:15, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffweigel (talkcontribs) 18:10, 23 February 2012 (UTC) 

Hello Kgfleischmann, I am new as a contributor to Wikipedia, however I have been using it for some time now. I understand and applaud the non-commercial nature of the community and am committed to adhering to it principals. With that said, I am not sure why the below paragraph is construed as "commercial spam." The major PBX manufacturers are indeed driving the application and adoption of SIP, and, in IMHO, the inclusion of most of the manufactures (without links) makes it unbiased. My intention with this citation is to help the community understand the application of SIP within the enterprise market, and viability of SIP Trunking as an alternative to legacy TDM to PSTN interconnectivity.

What in you opinion can I change in the citation to make it appropriate for Wikipedia?


Thank you in advance for your help.

Albert


"The commitment by major PBX manufactures including Avaya™, Alcatel™, Cisco™, Nortel™, 3COM™, Mitel™, Siemens™ among newer players including Shoretel™, Epygi™, Scitec™, Sphere™, and others, has underscored the emergence of SIP as the de-facto standard for VoIP. This wholesale migration to SIP and furthering maturity and acceptance of the protocol has created significant opportunities for next-generation service providers serving SIP-based PBX’es with SIP trunking to the PSTN."


I agree "commercial spam" is a heavy word and there are some lines in the Session Initiation Protocol article , which need lot of changes, too. But I believe the article is simply the wrong place for your information! It deals with the protocol. So, if you know some IETF RFCs and drafts dealing :with SIP-Trunking, feel free to add a paragraph to tell us about them. The same holds for information from any other norming body.
Your piece of information, as I believe, fits better into Private branch exchange and possibly into Internet telephony. You maybe saw, I kept your link, so that SIP trunking can be found by readers of Session Initiation Protocol . Before writing again, please read the text, I left on your user page!
--Kgfleischmann 10:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

VoIP[edit]

Why did you remove the photo of the VoIP ATA? :: Colin Keigher (Talk) 18:47, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

sorry,it seems that was an accident.I only planned to remove/reorder links!--Kgfleischmann 20:39, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Why did you remove my technical citations? It shows engineering design specifications which are much more informative than summary paragraphs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.71.230.25 (talk) 01:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

You wrote about a product of your company, which you believe is notable. Wikipedia is no product catalogue and no advertising board. Trying to write an article about your company could prove a more acceptable way! --Kgfleischmann (talk) 07:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
You should to remove your KPhone article in this case! 93.178.98.60 (talk) 14:08, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
If you believe, KPhone is not notable, issue a request to delete the article. --Kgfleischmann (talk) 14:24, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
I believe that you are not objective and promote your software - [1]. Why do you add your software to the List of SIP software and remove other software that much more notable than yours one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.178.98.60 (talk) 14:34, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
And I'm sure, you do not understand the rules. To be entered into the List of SIP software, a software needs an article. You should write articles for OfficeSIP Messenger, Zoiper , and Kapanga Softphone, then we are all happy if you list them in that list.--Kgfleischmann (talk) 14:41, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
To be honest, you should to remove article about your software because of it is self promotion and it is not notable and then remove it from the list. But it looks like you prefer to fight with other software. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.178.98.60 (talk) 14:56, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

IP Protocol article and link to TCP/IP Guide[edit]

Why revert the link to Kozierok's online book? (I'm happy to discuss this here or in the talk page for that article). Lumpish Scholar 20:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

No discussion here, so I'll discuss it there. Lumpish Scholar 19:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Kphone[edit]

Don't edit Kphone's article, that is considered to be a vanity action, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. One cannot edit an article relating directly to oneself. 74.13.39.27 01:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

  • This is not exactly true. Read the page on conflict of interest for detailed guidelines. Kgfleischmann, you are free to edit whatever page, but with Kphone you should be even more careful not to be biased than with other pages. Remember that promotional stances will be cut short, and your credibility as an editor will decrease in accordance. Nothing stops you from adding neutral information, though. — isilanes (talk|contribs) 08:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
# I think my edits to the KPhone page are fairly neutral. I am not interested in promoting KPhone and make no money with it. What I do is to keep it up to date.
I disagree! promotion != make money, I guess, you want to promote your software and make it popular, like almost any software developer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.178.98.60 (talk) 14:50, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
# About 74.13.39.27: This person renamed "OpenSSH (Secure Shell)" to "OpenSSH (OpenBSD Secure Shell)" and deleted the Motorola 88000 series processors from the OpenBSD article. As I believe, this was wrong, I reverted the edits. Afterwards 74.13.39.27 wrote those lines, possibly as revanche. In my eyes an act of vandalism. --Kgfleischmann 09:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
  • It's good to hear the first part. Keep up the neutral job, dude :^) — isilanes (talk|contribs) 09:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Vengance? It is not required in a situation such as this, telling someone they're tap dancing on a mine field is hardly a spiteful act. 74.13.39.27 21:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Please study WP:HAR and WP:CIV before continue discussing with me. --Kgfleischmann 03:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Gwrach[edit]

Thanks for pointing out the incorrect sv. interwiki link from cy. article Gwrach redirecting to Kvinna. Gwrach means "witch" (hexe) or "hag" (hägg) but I don't know the right word in Swedish. Do you know the correct link? Anatiomaros 88.111.227.154 18:12, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I answered on your Welsh user page

--Kgfleischmann 19:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Diolch yn fawr am yr holl wrachod! (Thank you for all the witches!). Anatiomaros 88.111.227.154 20:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

NAT Traversal for VoIP and Internet Communications using STUN, TURN and ICE[edit]

This is a very usefull whitepaper regarding NAT traversal. AnyFirewall is a technology that uses IETF standards STUN, TURN and ICE for traversing NATs and Firewalls. Taking down such a paper makes this page incomplete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellisman (talkcontribs) 22:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

  1. Please sign your comments. I left a message on your discussion page with many helpful informations not only about this.
  2. Second, your link is an "infomercial" that is a mixture of information and advertising. The latter is absolutely unwanted in the wikipedia. Please study Wikipedia:External links, if you do not understand this. The article is somewhat short, why don't you improve it in a neutral manner?

Brgds --Kgfleischmann 04:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

SIP list of software[edit]

Hi, just a word on your comment that the highlight could be mistaken for advertising...if before making the change, had you had a look at the page, would you have noticed that all the software in the article that has no a page on wiki yet, have the name in bold. So, no advertising, only page style. ;0) --Dia^ (talk) 11:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

To me it seems Cisco PIX/ASA has a page, you highlighted the explanation/additional text, in my eyes a bad idea. --Kgfleischmann (talk) 11:49, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Mobivox[edit]

The article was reposted after I deleted it. It's been deleted again. Thanks, NawlinWiki (talk) 18:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Germany Invitation[edit]

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Hello, Kgfleischmann! I'd like to call your attention to the WikiProject Germany and the German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board. I hope their links, sub-projects and discussions are interesting and even helpful to you. If not, I hope that new ones will be.

--Zeitgespenst (talk) 01:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Kontaktzentrum[edit]

Wie kommst Du darauf, dass es Werbung ist, wenn man Wikipedia-interne Hyperlinks einbaut? Die Seiten ueber die Firmen sind keine Werbung sondern Definitionen. Ausserdem entscheidest Du das nicht alleine... --Achim (talk) 18:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, it depends what you are inserting in what place, even links to articles should fit. A technical "See also" list is a bad place for exemplary companies. Both of your companies make outsourcing, they may - like many, many others - have outsourced call centers. In so far they are not exemplary and therefor are absolutely no needed here. And by the way, "Kontaktzentrum" is a bad if not wrong translation for call center. The German language usually uses Callcenter --Kgfleischmann (talk) 19:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
  • You're right on the term: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callcenter. Over here, management prefers the term contact centre and Kontaktzentrum is a literal translation that ignores the sycophantic anglisising of the German language which is still so popular over there. Wikipedia deutsch trumps the term. So there.
  • Your point was that including links to Sitel, Accenture, Convergys, etc. constitutes advertising. Now you are saying that it is just in the wrong place, but you are closing in on the 3-revert rule and leaving authoritarian comments. So show me where it says on wikipedia that to insert a wiki-iternal hyperlink to an article on a company is considered advertising and thus against the rules. Where is that written? If that's not the law on here, quot erat demonstrandum, then perhaps a separate paragraph heading entitled call centre companies or something to that effect would do the trick? Otherwise, why would the Underwriters Laboratories link be OK on Certification mark and in the exact same section you say it's not OK in? --Achim (talk) 20:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
  • A Kontaktzentrum may be contacted by phone, in so far a Callcenter may be part of it, or not.
  • Wikilinks may not be included in inpropriate places. It is my strong believe, that Wiki links to Convergys,Sitel and Accenture are not helpfull to explain the term Call Centre and therefore inserting them is spamming. Your attempt to hide them behind technical terms like Automatic call distributor and so on made things not better. A paragraph "call centre companies" could be possible, but imho is no good idea, as it will attract spammers of all shades.
--Kgfleischmann (talk) 04:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I did not attempt to hide anything. I made no changes regarding Automatic call distibutor. Check the logs if you don't believe or, or before you claim I did things that I did not perhaps? Wiki-internal hyperlinks are hardly spamming. I think you're just pulling that out of the air because you are not able to quote anything here and you wish it were so. I also take note that you are avoiding the topic. I challenged you to come up with a wiki rule on the matter and also to explain why the same thing is done elsewhere and nobody bellyaches about it, including admins. My example was the Underwriters Laboratories link be on Certification mark. What about it? That article even shows UL's logo. Why? It explains it. Examples also explain things, as do pictures. By the same token, using your argument, you could outlaw pictures and drawings, right? Presuming you continue to ignore these specific questions, and cannot quote chapter and verse on what you falsely claim is right and proper and law on here, I trust you won't revert a separate paragraph, since you state could be possible. You comment as though you are some sort of authority. You are not, and I know it. I suggest you keep that in mind. --Achim (talk) 18:32, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Welcome in the club of none authorities! You are none, I am none. Btw. Wikipedia has only one authority, the community. This should be a great base to find a consensus. All we "none authorities" have the right to change articles, if we see a need. In case of differences, we usually discuss on the articles discussion page.
  • About our discussion: I'm happy to hear, you did not to plan to advertise for the mentioned companies, great to hear that. A possible way to bring your links into the article, is to explain why they should be there. A paragraph "call centre companies" could be a solution. I am not convinced, we need it and will publish my objections on the disc of the article. Then the community will decide ....
  • Good night,--Kgfleischmann (talk) 21:04, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Another slippery answer, avoiding specific questions. Now you write as though it's news to me that nobody has any authority on here, when I'm the one who first pointed it out to you for one reason: You comment as though you have some sort of authority, using a command tone, like Do this, Don't do that.. Next, you pretend as though our discussion was about whether or not I wanted to insert advertisements in the article, about companies that compete with one another and none of which I work for by the way. You can twist things but I'm not dumb enough to overlook it. --Achim (talk) 22:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Well Achim, I know I'm a really bad guy, you tell me how I have to think, and ignore that. If you will have some time this weekend read WP:HAR and WP:CIV. The study of Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not may proof usefully, too. end of discussion of this user page --Kgfleischmann (talk) 03:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

TTEthernet Article - always deleted as advertising[edit]

Hello Kgfleischmann, you wrote some questions concerning my TTEthernet Article on my talk page and today I wanted to implement the answers into the text - but it was again deleted by TexasAndroid. As you asked some questions, I thought, that I finally managed to improve the article in a way that it is not blatant advertising anymore. What can I do to keep the article on Wikipedia? (Texas Android still sees the article as blatant advertising - although I think I really improved it and put only information) Looking forward to your advices, --Gnalk (talk) 07:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I came across your article, when you linked it to Ethernet. To me, the article gave too little information, what TTEthernet really does. That is why I asked.
Nevertheless, I did not delete it and so I do not know, why it was deleted. I guess, you should talk to those people, who did the deletion. And my advice, before you get definite answers, no more actions. --Kgfleischmann (talk) 08:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

IP address article[edit]

I noticed that you restored the {{dmoz}} link that had been removed by User:Mastershake phd with the edit cummary "vandalism".

I've re-removed the link as its removal was not vandalism. If you look at the external links section, it previously had two dmoz entries, one that works - and this one which was removed that did not work. Without this broken dmoz entry, the working one still remains on the page. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 14:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Seems I did not see, we had two links. --Kgfleischmann (talk) 19:14, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Spreed[edit]

Re User_talk:Euqueria, User_talk:Rocco15FN, User_talk:Cfrisemo, Spreed, Sockpuppet, Spamming Web Conferencing and other related articles, - I added a speedy delete tag. - Perhaps WP:V and WP:N tags should be added as well. - Cheers - DustyRain (talk) 19:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

oops - forgot to add User_talk:Saloob (another scokpuppet). Hopefully an admin will take a few minutes, review references (a reference they provided does not even mention them??) and speedy this. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by DustyRain (talkcontribs) 19:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm just wondering why I got that information! Please explain! --Kgfleischmann (talk) 19:46, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Comparison of VoIP Software Cleanup[edit]

Did you remove Express Talk and Axon PBx from this list? If you did please explain your reasons? There were no external links to the programs and the listings followed the same structure of the others. There was no advertising. Also removed was Office Intercom. Is Wikipedia Baised? This is a question I am always asking. I think you guys are. You allow all other software applications to be listed in Wikipedia but not Express Talk and Axon? I'd like an explanation please and an example of how your edit was unbiased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Duckdad (talkcontribs) 19:47, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Duckdad, before complaining please read WP:SAL. Is is a well established policy not to allow list entries without article, which proofs the entries notability. The deletion is no statement about the topic itself. So, if you want your enries back, sit down and write the articles. Greetings,--Kgfleischmann (talk) 19:56, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia editors delete articles when writing about Express Talk or other software. See the comparison between Goldwave and WavePad - where WavePad was a direct copy of Goldwave's page to see if it would still get deleted (it did). This means that even though articles are written, following the example of other articles, they are deleted due to a biased attitude of Wikipedia editors towards either large corporate entities (Skype for example) or the hippie based entities such as Asterisk.

Can you please refer me to the procedure for adding references, like software, to tables, where it specifies that an article has to be present for the software to be listed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Duckdad (talkcontribs) 20:00, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you take the time to help me write an article that won't get deleted. It's amusing and frustrating at the same time that you guys so speedily delete things, and leave other pages untouched that are exactly the same as what was deleted. Sometimes i have to wonder if some of you are paid, or some of you have a genuine dislike for other users out there. Are there little emails that going around saying "watch out of Duckdad's posts". And i get called uncivil. You guys are pure communists in the North Korean sense of the word, talking about the greater good, the ability for everyone to share, and then imposing your will on those you simply dislike. Shall I start referring to Wikipedia administrators as "our Dear Leader". I think so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Duckdad (talkcontribs) 20:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry there is no established procedure to circumvent well established procedures concerning notability. Everybody may contribute to Wikipedia, but the comunity has the right to reject edits. And please continue this discussion on Comparison of VoIP software --Kgfleischmann (talk) 20:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Please explain the notability reason for removal of ComunIP software. ComunIP software is used on Nymgo (http://www.nymgo.com), IKsolution (hhtp://www.iksolution.com), Locaweb PABX Virtual (http://www.locaweb.com.br), and iG Fone (http://www.ig.com.br). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.58.21.198 (talk) 19:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I answered on the discussion page of the article --Kgfleischmann (talk) 20:02, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Apologies for the notability removal of MO-Call from this article and have read through the above discussions and WP:SAL. Best, leungd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leungd (talkcontribs) 02:27, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Editions in videoconferencing[edit]

Thank you a lot because the typo corrections in videoconf. I believed that editions with a smart phone were more easy in Wikipedia--Nopetro (talk) 16:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

WTF[edit]

It's no longer a redlink. Now what's the problem? 173.170.157.188 (talk) 20:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I saw it to late, just corrected it --Kgfleischmann (talk) 20:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. 173.170.157.188 (talk) 20:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

Hi. Please be more careful about your use of the term "vandalising", as you used here. A disagreement about what links are appropriate is not vandalism, it's a content dispute. Abuse of the term "vandalism" just leads to confusion and lowers the tone of discussion. Thanks. kmccoy (talk) 13:10, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Entering external links into lists is at least a bad habit and against consens in the list. O.K. vandalism may be to harsh. --Kgfleischmann (talk) 13:15, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MurmurHash (2nd nomination)[edit]

Hi, Kgfleischmann. Because you participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MurmurHash, you may interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MurmurHash (2nd nomination). Cunard (talk) 02:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

List of SIP software - Thirdlane PBX item removal[edit]

I am new to Wikipedia and so far my 3 first posts were deleted. All were in VoIP space - one was in a list of PBX products and the other in the list of SIP server software. I also wrote a short article about Thirdlane (company and product) which was removed as advertising. What seems strange is that I see very similar articles or posts on the same pages - it is near impossible to understand the reasoning between removing some and keeping the others. In this case the deletion happened because the software/company was mentioned without an article - but the article was also deleted, so where do I start. I am really trying to follow the guidelines, help is appreciated. Aepshteyn (talk) 02:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

  1. I was not involved in deleting Thirdlane, please contact the person, who started the deletion process
  2. Please also read WP:WTAF to understand our deletion policy in that list.
--Kgfleischmann (talk) 05:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

October 2010[edit]

Information.svg Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at User Datagram Protocol. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. I can find no mention anywhere of a "Russell Tebay" having anything at all to do with UDP. If I'm incorrect, please let me know. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 18:40, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh boy, did I screw up. It appears you were REMOVING the vandalism and I accused you of INSERTING it.
I APOLOGIZE! I hit da button a bit too fast. Sorry about that! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 18:43, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

IPTV[edit]

There are lots of non english references in wikipedia and there is no reason to delete my IPTV article editing because anyone want to read the Turkish reference in English, He/She can use google translate. If you don't know how to translate it, you can click the link http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ntvmsnbc.com%2Fid%2F25185594%2F&act=url and turkish web page of Tivibu Ev www.tivibu.com.tr/ev This is a service for Turkish customers in Turkey, and for this reason there is not any reference written in English. And finally, This editing was not an advertisement, it was only for information. If you think it was an advertisement, wikipedia articles are actually full of company advertisements, including the iptv article itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.178.116.186 (talk) 16:28, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

  1. References must be in English
  2. Wikipedia is no place for ads

So please stop vandalising. You may feel free to delete every ad in everey article --Kgfleischmann (talk) 20:57, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

  1. There is plenty of non English references in English wikipedia, including the iptv article itself. Look the references and see.
  2. I know that wikipedia is not a place for ads better than you, but "what is the definition of an ad or ad vandalism?" is the question that you should ask to yourself. If my edit is an advertisement, most of the other things in the market section of iptv article is also advertisements. And of course, you are also free to delete any ad in any article, but not my "advertisements, (you say)" only.
  3. I am not a vandal, and not making any vandalism, I am a volunteer of open and free information who regularly donate, use and contribute to wikipedia, not a company representative also, just a Turkish citizen who knows the launch of iptv in Turkey, and a user of it, and wanted to add information about iptv market in my country, but I'm afraid you are a tyrant racist and a xenophobiac. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.178.116.186 (talk) 14:06, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Do you know WP:HAR and WP:CIV? Instead of attacking me, better start writing an article about TTNET and Superonline. --Kgfleischmann (talk) 21:28, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

AppEx Network[edit]

AppEx Network is a start up company with its own WANOp and ADN products. Please advise why it is ok for the other names to be listed while AppEx deleted ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavendert (talkcontribs) 06:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Entries in lists need an article, a WEB-link is not sufficient (see WP:WTAF for more)--Kgfleischmann (talk) 06:18, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation!Lavendert (talk) 19:49, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Softphone[edit]

Why do you remove my contribution to softphone compairing?!!!

Hi,Asmgx! I removed them, because the have no article; an article is necessary to proove the notability. See WP:WTAF for more. --Kgfleischmann (talk) 16:58, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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Comparison of VoIP software[edit]

Hi Kgfleischmann

You removed my minor contribution to Comparison_of_VoIP_software. I have added "Voip By Antisip" and you removed it for "Missing Articles" reason? Do you mean that internet article about Voip By Antisip are required? What about those ones: [2] [3] [4] and the google play link [5]. Note that I initially made an error and added voip by antisip in General softphone clients section instead of Mobile phones section only where I would like to see this app. I came back today to remove first occurence and saw the changes. Tks for your help/advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8AB7:5EE0:1D76:E7D4:3237:E96F (talk) 10:32, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Exactly!To be entered, antisip needs an article, please read WP:WTAF for more information. --Kgfleischmann (talk) 13:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Thirdlane Business PBX[edit]

Hello dear Kgfleischmann,

I have recently posted materials about Thirdlane Business PBX that were deleted. The pages where the postings were made contain information about both commercial and open source solutions. In my opinion Thirdlane meets the criteria for being included. The postings were informational and not an advertisement. I would appreciate if you can explain the reason for the deletion?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.197.13 (talk) 00:39, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

To be entered,Thirdlane Business PBX needs an article, please read WP:WTAF for more information.

--Kgfleischmann (talk) 04:18, 28 January 2014 (UTC)