User talk:Khoikhoi/Archive 14

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Kind Thanks! Can you help with one more thing?[edit]

Thanks for your removal of vandalism on my user page. I find it interesting that the excuse given was that I, a "pretentious bastard", "just pissed [the vandal] off". He has now accused another user, user:Max18well, of being my sockpuppet. The IP logs will show that, indeed, Max18well and I have edited from the same IP sometimes-- this is because I know him personally and he was editing Wikipedia articles in my house. See his user page for details if you wish to help.

Whether or not you have the time for such matters, I thank you again for removing vandalism from my user page.

Tastyummy 09:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

UPDATE: The dispute has been (more or less) settled; another user with numerous contributions has backed me up by saying he knows user:Max18well in real life too. So there's no need.

Thanks for your quick response, though, and thanks again for your anti-vandalism efforts. By the looks of your user page, you're really quite a valuable asset to Wikipedia, and we all appreciate it a lot. Keep it up, bro.

Tastyummy 19:01, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


- FrancisTyers · 17:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, you can email me or come on irc at anytime. I'm usually checking my emails and online. - FrancisTyers · 17:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Which is why we have private messaging (/msg), and I said to email me ;) - FrancisTyers · 17:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi I would appreciate your opinion here: [1]. --Ali doostzadeh 02:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


I think it is an undeniable fact ASALA seeked an independent Armenian state that consisted of a large portion Eastern Turkey. Please don't let some Armenians portray them as avengers; they even shot a Turkish diplomat along with his family, him and daughter death, wife and son wounded.--Kagan the Barbarian 07:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll talk to Kertenkelebek.--Kagan the Barbarian 08:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Khoikhoi, please monitor this article. Things are getting way out of hand. -- Clevelander 14:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi my friend, can I do anything for you?--Aldux 12:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


I am in Istanbul for six months. Non-combatant :-) Ciao! Behemoth 16:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I still don't know what exactly I am going to do. It is a month of training (with total seclusion) and then I will be commissioned for a post, most likely at a military court. I won't have access to Internet during training period but after that, I'll have the opportunity. Once in a week, though. Behemoth 01:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, very interesting indeed. I hope you could have a taste of this interesting life too. Just kiddin'. Last words before I depart...Take good care of yourself and Wikipedia. Don't leave it to nationalist bigots. Probably can leave you a message after a month. Until then, ciao!!! Behemoth 01:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, man when I am on my way I noticed your intervention [2] I don't think you'll ever let me down. I am now listening to Muharem Serbezovski and his "Osman Aga" but daddy is on my head and he'll not let me drink more. Lots of love and peace for the universe we are constrained to live in. Ciao once again!!! Behemoth 23:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Mr Khoi, go ahead edit anything you'd like on my user page, you only help out :) Thanks a lot dear Khoi. Also how can i archive the user talk page? Ldingley 16:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Well did you see the talk page? He made a personal attack based on his nationalistic agenda on Wikipedia. Thanks for reminding but I’m always civil and I don’t usually personally attack anyone (in life and online). But Russian users are teamed up and they help to implement Russian POVs on some articles. Anti-Georgian hysteria which dominated today's Russia has been also apparent on Wikipedia. Both countries are almost on the brink of war. Just yesterday, Russian Cossacks and Krasnodar special forces landed in Abkhazia to start military operations against Georgians. Abkhazia is flooded by Russian terrorist groups (Adigey volunteer battalion, Cossacks of Don and Krasnodar, etc) Just today, 3 Georgian civilians were murdered for refusing to dig trenches in Gali region. As you see, their relations are bad and it also affects quality of Wiki articles. Due to this tension, some Russian users are engaged in POV implementation and adding information which suits the interest of their country, ei conflicting side. That’s why i fleered up. Ldingley 16:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Bonaparte's pictures[edit]

I think if the pictures are good and potentially usable like the Brasov pictures then they should stay. If we have incorrect, dubious or unsourced maps, then they should be deleted. Can you comment on the maps he created, are any of them good? abakharev 03:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Action against mikkalai[edit]

Khoi, you think this is normal? you think this is not personal attack and insults? Are you being biased toward me or am i missing something? "A Russophobic LDingley aggressively pushes his POV in Georgian-Abkhaz conflict despite myself being exceptionally mild with my changes after ghirla asked me to keep an eye. Judging from his swinging hot temper I start suspecting that he is in fact a sock of a Georgian nationalist, contrary to the photo in his user page."

Listen, i try to write articles based on numerous sources I have, plus personal experience. If you don't like the content, please change it but be fair. Im very relaxed dear Khoi but its kind of sucks when 3 Russians attack you by using insults. I think its better if i stop contributing on wiki because it leads to direct confrontation with Russians. Do you know why? have you listened to news lately? Also surely due to my sympathies for the Chechen cause and my condemnation of Chechen genocide (if this is russophobic then im also Turkophobic due to my condemnation of Armenian genocide). But as usual you are correct in many ways. Well, I'll start retreating from wikipedia bit by bit. Ldingley 15:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for condemnation. It is encyclopedia, not human rights watch. By the way, I am not Russian. As for your "retreating bit by bit", let me remind you that unlike you I did not revert whole your contributuions in huge pieces. So if you will continue acting in your way, in addition to retreating "bit by bit", you will be simply blocked bit by bit. And try to remember that "Russian POV" is not a valid reason for revert. `'mikka (t) 17:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Khoi, please monitor that article. Im retreating from it. Im tired of that man. You are fair and true NPOV man so i ytrust you fully. BTW do you like my ethiopian photos? Here People of Ethiopia. Ldingley 19:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


Answered in my talk page. `'mikka (t) 17:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Request for comments[edit]

Not sure if you want to add your statement to Talk:English people#Request for Comment: Peoples related to the English. It seems you have warned the same anon IP before. Regards, E Asterion u talking to me? 20:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, interesting. E Asterion u talking to me? 21:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks[edit]

Goldom's RFA thanks[edit]

Two Googly Eyes.jpg Thank you for your support on my RFA, which closed successfully this morning with a result of (53/2/1). I've spent the day trying out the new tools, and trying not to mess things up too badly :). I was quite thrilled with all the support, both from the people I see around every day, as well as many users who I didn't know from before, yet wrote such wonderful things about me. I look forward to helping to serve all of you, and the project. Let me know if there's anything I can help you with. -Goldom ‽‽‽ 04:30, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi khoikhoi[edit]

Please visit [3] page and add your personal email at the bottom for better collaboration, networking and comunication. Thanks :) Omerlives

About Ismet Inonu[edit]


I found this: the later second president of the Republic of Turkey, İsmet İnönü, was born in İzmir, but in a Kurdish family hailing from Malatya in Eastern Turkey and in the Turkish context this would make him a man from Malatya much more than one from İzmir.

The Young Turks – Children of the Borderlands? By Erik Jan Zürcher, Department of Turkish Studies, Universiteit Leiden.

So one might say he was from Kurdish background.Heja Helweda 23:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


Dear Khoi, thanks for your advice and good will. I really appreciate your support and understanding. You have been known as NPOV man, so please take care of that article so it can be truly NPOV. I will ask my Abkhaz friend online to join the editing on Wikipedia. Thanks again Khoi! Ldingley 15:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

hehehe somebody really hates shevardnadze :))) should i remove it? :)) Ldingley 00:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
hahaha no we can call it "briliant people of Georgia" :))))) hehehe that was good one, is that lavzur who is deleting? :) Ldingley 00:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Well Mr Urushadze is a good historian. I seen his work. He is a good man but hates that damn shevardnadzes picture for sure, hahaha :) I think thanks to me he does not sleep at all :) I just cant get over it, its too funny. BTW he was correct, Stalin was trully one of the greatest enemy of his nation :) what a character :) Ldingley 00:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Khoi, I think Zurab was his father. Im not sure. I emailed him couple of times but he never wrote back. Stalin was never popular in Georgia. Only in 1958 Georgians started to defend him due to Khrechovs policy of vilifying Stalin due to his nationality. Russians would claim, hey he was not Russian... He was Soso or Koba from Gori. So they pissed of many Georgians. The only ones who admire him are communists in Georgia (few old grandpas with WWII medals on them) and ultra-nationalists in Russia. :) Ldingley 17:22, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I updates Stalin article with interesting photos. Ldingley 17:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Interesting letter:

Recently Former President of Georgia Eduard Shevardnadze gave his authority to publish his last appeal to Russian President Boris Yeltsin before fall of Sukhumi on September 27, 1993.

The following is the appeal of Eduard Shevardnadze:

I am addressing you from the besieged Sukhumi not knowing if my words will ever reach you. The fighting is underway only a few blocks away from where I am with my friends. Regardless what happens I will not leave this town which has been treacherously deceived once again. I will not leave Sukhumi residents who have suffered immensely in their own town, left to their fate vis-a-vis a brutal, inhuman force, which keeps shelling the residential areas. 400 civilians had been killed and 153 wounded in the last two days. The total number of casualties has reached 10,031 while that of the wounded is 9,802.

How often have I asked myself – what is happening? What for?

The Gudauta separatists say they are fighting for freedom, for the right to live on their native land. But it is not the same freedom, or the same right that the 240 000 Georgians, whose roots on this soil can be traced many centuries back, thirst for and are trying to gain. This land is a common cradle of the Georgians and the Abkhazs.

We did not intend to deport anyone, while the criminal will of those who sponsor the Gudauta group has caused 150 thousand Georgians too seek refuge elsewhere and presently these people are dying of hunger and disease in various towns of Russia and Georgia.

We did not intend to conquer anyone – can one conquer his own people or seize his own land – the seedbed of our culture and statehood. We only aspired to defend the sovereignty of the Republic, protect its vital communications, do away with the hotbeds of sabotage and terror, and we wanted to do all that with consent and participation of our Abkhaz fellow-countrymen. The leaders of the Abkhaz Vendee were fully aware of it. They knew that the territory of the autonomous republic was being used by the gangs of thugs and terrorists for sabotage against the Republic of Georgia. They, however, tolerated them since they intended to use this trump card for their political benefit.

They have succeeded with the help and participation of those forces in Russia and our country that have decided to rend Georgia apart. Now that the efforts of the enemies inside Georgia, the "spontaneous" (as it is called in Gudauta) violation of the cease-fire and some steps taken in the highest echelons of the Russian military have coincided we have every ground to hold that this has been a well-coordinated and highly synchronized joint blow. I want the world to realize that Abkhazia is an arena of empire's revenge, "the second August", the explosive that is going to be used to blow up not only Shevardandze's Georgia, but Yeltsin's Russia as well. Boris Nikolaevich, Basaev’s Islamist thugs which you finance and arm will turn against you eventually.

All the events that have occurred prior to the present inferno are logically interconnected. On September 3, 1992 we signed the final document in Moscow. The link was still gone on the paper when the heavy boots of the mercenaries trampled the document by storming the unarmed Gagra. On May 14, 1993 we agreed on a cease-fire a landing force armed to its teeth was landed in Ochamchire district. As a result Sukhumi was virtually blockaded. And finally, for the mediator we have signed the agreement on 27 July 1993 and were betrayed again. The cannons that were to be withdrawn resumed thundering, the engines of the combat equipment, that was to be dismantled, were started anew, and the mercenaries that had allegedly been disarmed began their new assault. And once again we are forced to state that the guarantor has either been unable to be or did not wish to be one performing his duties.

My talks with general Grachev, the defense minister of Russia yielded no result. He insists on destroying us and continues his aid to terrorists. Russian airforce is bombing our cities, villages and killing thousands of civilians. Our ancient churches in Pitsunda and Akhali Atani are destroyed by Russian planes. How can you wage a war against your fellow Christians? How can you encourage and support the Islamist militants of Soslanbekov and Shamyl Basaev? This Islamist movement which Russia has created to destroy Georgia is spreading rapidly all over Caucasus.

Nevertheless I call all again on you Boris Nikolaevich, and on the entire Russia and the world community – do not let the monstrous crime to happen, stop the execution of the small country, save my homeland and my people from burning in the fire fanned by the imperial reactionaries. The nations, that has created a vast cultural heritage and an elevated spiritual Christian traditions.

Dear Boris Nikolaevich, don't you think the time has come now to stop destroying this ancient Christian nation? We will never forget or forgive if Sukhumi falls into the hands of separatist criminals. These will also be the words spoken for Russia since our peoples have often shared a common destiny.

I count on the help of the friendly Ukrainian people and their President with whom I signed a mutual assistance treaty. Ukraine has aided us in the most difficult times.

Aspiring to end the cold war I fought for the freedom and independence of all the peoples. Little did I know then that after the major threats confronting the mankind were removed pitch-dark clouds would descend upon my homeland.

Someone may say, this is a cry of despair. No! If it is a cry at all, then it is a cry of my soul, and the soul of my people, and I want it to be heard. Because the world cannot be happy, it cannot go on leading serene, comfortable life while the death threatens a nation, even if it happens to the smallest one.

I am writing this at 3 a.m. The city is being shelled. 1500 houses have already been destroyed. There is no water, no bread, no light and the hope is dwindling. The shelling continues. A few shells have just hit a maternity home, where it killed some mothers and their infants. Stop this Genocide!

I am not saying good-bye, I don't want to. May God send you peace and happiness."

Hi Khoi[edit]

How are you? I don't understand very well what that tag means on User:Georgianis page. Can you please explain? He mostly edits Georgia-related articles and seems to have quite formidable knowledge in the Georgia conflicts issues? Regards, --Kober 17:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Kober. Flag of Georgia.svgFlag of Europe.svg Georgianis | (t) 21:32, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


  • I need this evidence abakharev 21:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Three Revert Rule[edit]

No. I am reverting the document to how it originally was. Advil altered the page to further his anti-India Point of View (POV). He has done this to many articles. If you do not believe me look at his cpntributions. Three different sources support the fact that he has continually tried to revert. Don't blame me for trying to stop racist POV from entering Wikipedia articles. AbdulQadir 22:00, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi there and thanks for the notice. Quite convenient actually, as that saves me the trouble of having to get lots of people to tell AbdulQadir that his username should be changed (see Abdul Qadir). Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 03:29, 18 August 2006 (UTC).
Just a notice that I deleted the userspace of all the accounts in question as I got a polite, serious and remorseful request from the user in question that he was afraid that his school teachers would react poorly to his breaking of WP policy. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 07:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC).
Yeah, just finished the 90min watchlist run after the weekend break (3000 pages).Blnguyen | rant-line 02:15, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Allow me[edit]

WikiDefender Barnstar.png An Award
I, Irpen, award this Barnstar to Khoikhoi for his expertise in finding the consealed trolls and fending them off.

This catch was indeed an impressive shot. --Irpen 00:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


Khoi, do net let Irpen to vandalize the ethnic cleansing of Georgians in Abkhazia article. I need more time to improve it. Nothing is copyrighted there. I have contacted author and asked for his materials and permission. Also I need more time to modify it and add more references. Please stop him. Thansk in advance. Ldingley 01:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok I'll do that but do not let him delete anything. Most of the things i gathered from various sources and references. It took me a long time to do that. I have 120 protocols of UN and OSCE, plus books, video materials, etc. Do you know how hard it was to gather all of them? Ldingley 01:17, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I will attack all proper copyright tags. Please give me more time. I wrote 80% of the content in that article. Translated from french some references and so on. He will be here soon. I'll email you his email. Ldingley 01:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


Dear Khoikhoi,

I wonder if you would mind having a look at National Security Council (Turkey). There has recently been some edits, that I am not too fond of. But as I have started the article and wrote most of it, I am worried that I can end up acting possesive on the article (which is the last thing I want). Hope to hear your comments. Btw, howcome you stress your American nationality on your user page - I thought you were a staunch anti-nationalist??? Bertilvidet 07:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Bertil,
I'm not sure what exactly you want me to do. Should I revert the anon? They appear to be using the Turkish government as their sources. I don't know a lot about the coups in Turkey. As for my userpage, I'm a non-nationalist, not an anti-nationalist. How does it look now? It's just that I can't think of what else to say. —Khoikhoi 17:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey again...I would not ask you to do anything specific, except using your common sense and judgment. I am myself tempted to revert the text, as I think it has both become less clear and too much representing the Turkish army POV. But as I have written most of the article I fear falling into the trap of - unconciously - assuming ownership of the article. By the way I am curious about how you have acquired your impressive knowledge on Middle Eastern and Turkey related issues???. Bertilvidet 17:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you so much for spending some time on improving the article. Keep up the good work! Bertilvidet 07:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
For the last threee years I have spent most of my time here in Turkey (getting rather addicted). And as I am in political science I should have acquired some insight by now. Bertilvidet 09:59, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Ku.....what??? I have no idea what you are talking about! There is no such place....Kidding, there is...have been there and seen with my own eyes that it exists. Seeing the issues on the grounds make the books (and wiki-articles) seem more relevant! :-)
Yes, I went to Batman - he said he is a citizen of Gotham City...No seriously, the inhabitants refer to this part of the country as Kurdistan; so I have no doubt it exists. I have still not met anyone here who denies that the Southeastern part of the country is predominantly Kurdish. Bertilvidet 23:11, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Can you please help me here? Chaldean 12:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi Khoikhoi. Please have a look at the article Timur. A new user is vandalizing and constantly deleting the Encyclopaedia of Islam reference. Besides that, he has violated the 3RR. Tājik 18:21, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


Check this one out as well, whatever means you have.   /FunkyFly.talk_  01:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Just a hunch. He was user:Eliade before, and was tackling Macedonia-topics, as was AdoniCtistai.   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Problems old friend?/Hehe[edit]

How are you holding up? :)

I noticed several reverts of User:D.Kurdistani and have encountered him creating a duplicate page (Nawroz). Whats up with this guy?

--Cat out 02:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey man. :) I'm not sure, he/she seems to be a new user. And as we all know new users take awhile to grasp the concept of NPOV. I could use some help over at the Kurdistan article. He's raising the population of Kurds without citing any sources. Thanks! —Khoikhoi 02:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Hmm yea well, there is a full time cleanup job after him like Image:Flag-of-Kurdistan.png --Cat out 03:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
What's wrong with the flag? It appears to be bigger than what we have now. —Khoikhoi 03:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, sizes are probably wrong (flags are a matter of pre sicion) and we have a better one in commons. Bigger is not necesarily better. Furthermore the svgs can be made to reflect any size. I can get you a 40000px kurdish flag. It just would not be usefull in any article... --Cat out 03:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm, I see your point. See his edit here - he changed 25-30 to 35~40! :p —Khoikhoi 03:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Yea I know. :) I monitor (sorta) all articles related to kurds, I generaly choose not to react unless I feel its worth my time (kinda sick of pov pushers for a while). Being vigilant is prudent. --Cat out 04:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I guess I see what you're saying. The problem is I deal with so many POV-pushers I lose track after awhile. :) —Khoikhoi 04:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Its a delicate job isnt it? Not to mention stressfull and unrewarding (everyone hates you for trying). With moby dick gone I think I might offer a helping hand. I have my eye on Kurdish celebration of Newroz for quite some time now. It really should be merged IMHO. --Cat out 04:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, it can be depends. As for the articles, yes, they should be merged, but the article is just too big to have all that stuff added into it. I don't really think it's that big of a deal right now, at leat we don't have Diyako disrupting everything. —Khoikhoi 05:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I believe the holiday is celebrated in an identical manner. Certain details on the Kurdish version is original research, weasle words, and etc. Most of the external links are unhelpfull and the poem can go to wikisource, where it belongs. The Main article has room for the kurdish stuff, no real reason to make the main article strictly about the iranian version IMHO. But yea no BIG issue but a merge would be nice at least for the holdiday part. --Cat out 06:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Those are good points. I'll check out the discussion at the AfD. —Khoikhoi 06:16, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I wouldnt expect any less from you. One addition tho, I think article exists mostly as a POV fork. I might be wrong on this but the political stuff (which has never to do with the holiday) bugs me a bit in the light of neutrality. What do you think? --Cat out 07:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I actually thought the political stuff was interesting. For exampmle, see this article about Purim in Hebron/al Khalīl in 2001. —Khoikhoi 23:36, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh I am not disputing the political stuff. They just have nothing to do with the holiday and imply that kurds celebrate spring holiday by rioting which in my view and experience is not an acurate description. Yes riots have had occured in the past but they were not because of the annual spring holiday but instead happened on practicaly all kinds of social gatherings. The was a period of civil disprder when PKK had a greater influence.
I do not see the relevance of linked articles to this spring holiday.
--Cat out 08:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, politics can be a big part of Kurdish life. Their recent history shows that. Anways, the article being inaccurate isn't a reason to delete or merge it. I think a fix attempt would be better in this case. —Khoikhoi 23:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
There is already an over emphasis on kurdish politics on wikipedia (consider comparing the amount of text explaining the holiday and politics on the Newroz article). Articles that are strictly to explain stuff like kurdish culture dont need politics. Everything about the kurds seems to come with a contravercy explaining why kurds are so opressed or why kurds are so evil or both (all pov forks). The thing I am trying to point out is that I think its very difficult to maintain even the most basic level of neutrality when all articles are going to be peppered with politics.
Remove politics and you are left with the actual holiday explaining kurdish culture (the point of the article) which can be merged. Its the same holiday. Its not all that different and its not all that long.
Why is merge inapprorate for that?
--Cat out 12:33, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm not really sure anymore, but judging from the AfD, I don't think either is going to happen. —Khoikhoi 22:58, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, we will never have any progress with kurd related articles till eternity. So I might as well leave it all to your capable hands. I tried helping by fixing something thats not remotely contraverisal (just a holiday) and it turns out like this... --Cat out 23:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
:( Perhaps the correct thing to do the next time is not nominate it for deletion, but leave a message on the talk page. Unfortunately things can get controversial as we all know. —Khoikhoi 23:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Yea but AFDs are frequently used to get concensus to merge and etc. My vote and bargin was never an actual delete. Talk page mesages got me no where in the past... --Cat out 23:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Irrelevant edits[edit]

You made irrelevant edits on Economy of Romania article. You reverted to a version where GDP is USD 183.6 million. FYI IMF estimates at 210 Billion euro.--Economistul 05:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi! Sorry for the delay, but I was on holiday for a couple of days :) As for Dzhanka and Kubrat, I have no idea regarding the Turkish name. Most official names in Kardzhali Province and other Turkish-populated areas are of Slavic origin, so I guess they're not used by the Turkish population, but I don't know of any resource mentioning the names of the villages in Turkish. The Turkish Wikipedia seems to have a list of some, though (e.g. here). Maybe you should ask a Turkish guy, especially someone who has ties in Bulgaria (possibly User:Varg?). Anyway, hope I was of help :) TodorBozhinov 13:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Eh, since when did the break away region of abazhia in georgia, which promotes terrorism become a country? Yeah the trains it blew up a few years ago, oh that was fine you think? no wonder wiki germany closed down, this is rubbish, its all a load of rubbish. humour, being a retired teacher of international politics, i think i might no, abazhia is not a country!!!! proof:

changing my stuff and i have proof i was rite (served in the brunei emergency and taught for 2 .5 decades and some internet person tells a man with a degree in politics im wrong)


Bumblebee on Sea Holly.jpg Thanks for your support on my RfA. Give me shout if I can be of help. Thanks/wangi 00:17, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

(no title)[edit]

Khoikhoi and Bertilvidet Your vandalism on MGK – National Security Council page and some other Turkey or Turkish related subjects have nothing to do with the educational informative spirit of any encyclopedia. This is not a media of propaganda or personal blog or commentary forum. I encourage you to post and support factual information, not self-serving self-satisfaction material.

Mediate at Sumgait Massacre?[edit]

Hey Khoikhoi, I was wondering if you would be able to help mediate the talk war on the Sumgait Massacre page that has largely stalled over the past few weeks due to a lack of 3rd party participation. If you can, could you pay a trip to the talk page, take a look at both sides' arguments and help settle the issues along with your personal opinion on the issues? I would hope that you would commit yourself to mediating or else the lack of one loosens the reins for an ethnic mudslinging match. If you don't think you'll be able to, could you at least refer to one of your friends (perhaps an admin) to help out? Thank you, any help appreciated as always.--MarshallBagramyan 03:58, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Jo napat kivanak!

Please accept my apologies[edit]

Sorry for the vandalism you had to revert. That User:Tastyummy is just another pretentious bastard that pissed me off. I won't do it again.Having a good day 07:18, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


Hello. User:Zaparojdik is including false information in the List of Turkic states and empires article. He includes Autonomous republics that have a low minority Turkic people as Turkic autonomous states. He also continually puts Iranian Azerbaijan as an autonomous Turkic state. Please help me in stopping his vandalism. See history and talk page. Thanks.Khosrow II 15:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Hi, I rewrited Zile using Turkish Wikipedia as my source. I would like to know if you can check the language and edit if necessary.Ugur Olgun 18:39, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks a lot for the help.Ugur Olgun 18:55, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


Hello Khoikhoi, How have you been? how was your holiday to the Holy land Jerusalem, lol? I've had two weeks in Tunisia the sea and sun was wonderful. I've tried my best with Med tv to make it more neutral and that Sedat Laçiner is very biased. If anything else let me know. Oh, and I've left you to remove the POV. Ozgur Gerilla 15:06, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome and can you please help me[edit]

I am trying to add information to the Turkification article (you already saw my good informative edits of the Armenian subsection in the same article) but Khosrow II is trying to suppress information and it should be noted that he is an Iranian thus I believe he is doing so because of an agenda. Please help. Edwardhealy 16:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

you're back!!![edit]

I didnt realize that and congrats on dodging the missiles although I guess you got out before all hell broke loose!!! Oh well, a belated welcome back to u lutherian 17:05, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

dude, why do you hate Turks so much? lutherian 11:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
are you ignoring me? I hope not!!! lutherian 16:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Possible Copy Right violation[edit]

Hi Khoikhoi Besides the map being non-factual, I believe it is copyright: [4]. But I wanted to get a second opinion as well if it is a copy right. --Ali doostzadeh 17:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Your label: hungarian irrendist[edit]

I think you love to be labelled as hungarian irredentist. It fits you so well. Call your friends :)-- 19:12, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Census in Serbia[edit]

This is reference for 2002 census in Serbia: You can use it in Rusyns article. PANONIAN (talk) 20:32, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


I just created an archive of the entire page when you started to delete spam from it. Entire former page (including spam you deleted) is now here: You can delete spam from that new page too if you want. PANONIAN (talk) 20:49, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Just a correction[edit]

"Tót nem ember" in fact mean "The Slav is not a man". Tót was a Hungarian designation for all Slavs, and only later was restricted only to Slovaks. PANONIAN (talk) 21:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Another variant of the saying is: "Tót ember - nem ember" ("Slav man - not a man"). :) PANONIAN (talk) 21:07, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, "Tót" is a derogatory name. In the past it was derogatory name for all Slavs, and today only for Slovaks. PANONIAN (talk) 21:13, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I do not know anything about Slovakization. Maybe you can find some sources on the Internet? By the way, one more thing, since I see that you are interested in ethnologic things, I recently posted this section in the "People" article: I was quite surprised how many red links are there (There are no articles about Afro-Asiatic peoples, Sino-Tibetan peoples, etc). Can you look this list and maybe if you know that some of these articles in fact exist under another name to create redirect or something? My idea was that this should be basic list from which Wikipedia readers could reach any other article about ethnic groups, but as I said, too many red links are there. PANONIAN (talk) 21:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I just wanted to know are there articles about some of those because I plan to create these articles myself, and I did not wanted to create double pages if such articles already exist. But since they do not, I guess, I will create them all (if I find enough time for this). PANONIAN (talk) 21:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I replied, thanks for your comment and your attempt at resolving the issue.Khosrow II 00:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Read the talk page now. I think you will now be convinced how unreasonable the user is once you read his posts. I hope you reconsider your position.Khosrow II 16:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I know its silly, and I hate doing it, but its necessary for now. We cant just give into the demands of any user with whatever ideas they might have. We have to draw the line. What compromise is possible with a guy like that?Khosrow II 18:34, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
How about now. I will accept the article this way. (see article for my changes)Khosrow II 18:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
It still looks wrong to me though. The title of the article is Turkic States and Empires, what do regions with Turkic minorities have to do with states and empires? I just dont understand why you dont see the same ridiculousness that I see.Khosrow II 19:02, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I have one last suggestion that can work for everybody. How about we move these regions from the Turkic States and Empires article to the Turkic people article. That would make more sense, and it would be more on topic. How about it?Khosrow II 19:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
You ask him, he'll probably listen to you. Tell him that both of us like the idea, and it makes a lot of sense.Khosrow II 19:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hoş Bulduk![edit]

Thanks for your message Khoikhoi. Indeed I will be in need of best of luck, 'cause here Wikipedia is like an ocean... Kizzuwatna 01:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


Confirmed and tagged. He was using a small number of proxies as well. Jayjg (talk) 04:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Great Fire of Smyrna[edit]

Why don't you revert Kertenkebelek's edits? Mitsos 09:01, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you can do it again or report him to an adminstrator. Mitsos 07:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

About List of Turkic peoples article.[edit]

You mean Turkic peoples article? So, why not? :)

  • So, I supposed that you mean to put Turkic states and autonomous entities into Turkic Peoples article too. I think it will make people confused. It's better being different articles. Zaparojdik 22:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Can you speak Turkish? :) Zaparojdik 22:30, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Wow actually you are great ;) Zaparojdik 22:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Turkic map[edit]

No, no, you misunderstand. Turkey's entire Black Sea area on the Turkic-speaking map was highlighted as a Turkish-speaking. I pointed out that the Laz lived in that region and subsequently I de-hightlighted it. I'll admit that saying "Adding Laz speakers and Georgians in Turkey" can confuse users. I added a comment about this on image page. It was my fault. Sorry. -- Clevelander 20:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the beautiful new map at Turkic languages! Straughn 13:48, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I thought you were an admin. Arent you?[edit]

In that case I am sorry, and good bye. I dont want to mess with impotent wikipedians, only admins are intriguing me. Csilofagos 02:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Re:New article[edit]

Thank you, Khoi. The article reads well. I'll later add some more info about the history of Azeri community and statistics. Cheers, --Kober 04:12, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


Lol, not funny any more? ;-) - thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK06:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


Hallo Khoikhoi, I had to revert again the article about Yesilköy. That hotel, like the lighthouse, does not lie there, but in the bordering quarter of Yeşilyurt. So, I moved the image here.

Moreover, I suspect that behind this picture there is an attempt of using wikipedia for commercial purposes. I don't know if you are aware of the history of the construction of that hotel...

What do you think about it?


alex2006 07:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Today at 8.15 (CET) Sant'Angelo, my second article about the roman districts, has been chosen for DYK :-))). Too bad that you Americans are still sleeping now... ;-)

alex2006 07:10, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Hallo Khoikhoi, thanks for the compliments! Now that I could show finally an article on DYK, I can rest finally in peace ;-).

The story about that stuff is actually not very intriguing, but is a typical Istanbul Gecekondu story of XX/XXI century. Built without permit and against the city plan (but there was ever a city plan in Istanbul? ;-)), in a place where only four-story houses are allowed (there is the airport there....). The former mayor himself - now deceased - supported the building despite the laws that prohibited it and, last but not least, the whole quarter remained one year without water, because the monster needed the whole water supply during the construction. And I am not going to tell you what the people there told me about the ownership... :-(((.

Now, suddenly, comes someone, and pretends to put the picture of that stuff as landmark of another quartier (the big thing lies in Yesilyurt, not in Yesilköy ) which, by the way, owns the most notable examples of XIX century wooden house in the whole Istanbul...

That's why I am a little bit scandalized about the whole thing (altough most of the Turks which I know would give away with pleasure Hagia Sophia or the Blue Mosche in exchange for a McDonald Restaurant... ;-))

OK, Thanks!

alex2006 15:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

About spam[edit]


At first, thank you for taking the time to inform me about things around here.

About the spam issue now, I must say that ok, you are probably right, but if you take a better and look at the website I have added, you will see that it was WAY more informative and has allot more relevant content than any other listed for the article about Rhodes (and I wonder, some even don't work why is mine removed and those not?).

Mount Ararat Revisited[edit]

Hi, K. It's been awhile. I saw that someone removed the sentence about the Turkish word being derived from Kurdish. You reverted it, noting that there was a source given. Assuming that it's true, is it of encyclopedic interest? When I looked at the original edit, it occured to me that all of those language references are probably derived from other older, or neighboring, languages. So I am not sure that it is a helpful sentence. Just my 2 cents. I'll leave it to your judgement. Hope you're having a nice summer. --Ssilvers 06:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, you da man. Yeah, I was at the International Gilbert and Sullivan Festival this summer performing. Best regards, --Ssilvers 20:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


Take a look at the history of the article what happened. It would be better to delete the whole thing, it's useless and absurd. Zello 13:43, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I changed my vote in the AfD to delete, that's impossible. Zello 14:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Go and sleep you Anti-Romanian! :) LOL -- 10:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I can smell that you are Anti-Romanian. The way you revert all that is Romanian, the way you revert even the year 2007 when Romania will join EU it seems that you really hate Romanians. Don't worry Romania will join at 1st January 2007 even if you're Anti-Romanian. Don't worry when you'll come in Romania you'll have surprizes.-- 10:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Makes sense[edit]

Ofcourse, that makes sense and I dont mind following the rules :) --Spyross 16:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I find a lot of the material on your User page very offensive; please change it or I will have you permanently blocked for vandalizing my innocence.

- Mike xawn

PS - California is weeks, maybe months, from entirely breaking off from the rest of the country and falling into the ocean...the ATLANTIC ocean...???

no title[edit]


Sorry for adding those links where I should have not, I will in future put them on the discussion page.

One thing which I hope you might advise on though. On the section of the Cyprus conflict it reads as follows "revealed by the system of apartheid or racial segregation that formed the basis of the Annan Plan" From what I have read the Annan plan is neither, and certianly no mention of it is made on the link to the Annan plan. I have been trying to get this removed (without deleteing it myself). Can you help? SolDrury 12:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Please help[edit] is deleting my edits in ,, and without any comment or explanation, please help.

For example on page there were a statement:

Although it was the most densely populated republic of the USSR, the Moldavian SSR was meant to be specialized in agriculture, notably fruit production. The only region of Moldova in which industry was built was Transnistria, which in 1990 accounted for 40% of Moldavian GDP and 90% of its electricity production.

I've added {{check}} templates with an explanation "No composition per sector (agriculture, industry, services) figures are given (but there is a statement that MSSR was solely agricultural) and no figures how many industrial object have been built in Transnistria and the rest of MSSR, altough there is a false statement that the only region where industry was built was Transnistria."

But has deleted the {{check}}'s.

Thank you in advance! --Maxim Masiutin 17:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


Dear Khoikhoi, I deleated the paragraph 'Although there is no longer any 'pure' ethnic group in southern Africa with an exclusively Khoikhoi identity' etc. as there are still Khoikhoi people (Nama) in South Africa (Northern Cape), Namibia and Botswana. Would you say they don't have an 'exclusively Khoikhoi identity'? What do you mean then by that? Besides, Xhosa do not have any Khoikhoi heritage or ancestry or you have to explain what you mean. I would prefer to deleat the paragraph again, but I would like to hear your comment first.

--Newydd 20:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi Khoikhoi. I noticed you have reverted posts to article without participating in the talk page and providing arguments for your disagreement. If you disagree, say so in the talk page, reach a consensus and if so then revert. Regards, --Aristovoulos 19:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


I have replied. I see a picture of a UN man on your front page... thats promising :)

How is life on the west coast? --Aristovoulos 20:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


It's at User:Khoikhoi/Bullshit. Use it carefully, if it at all. User:Angr 20:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


Merhaba Khoikoi, iyiğim teşekürler. I'll keep an eye on the article, but to be honest, i am very tired of all the nationalist pov here. Seems fruitless to keep arguing the same things over and over again to people who are simply not open to suggestions. Thanks, --A.Garnet 10:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Merhaba Khoikoi, Provide arguments before you revert Aristovoulos 16:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


No, I don't think it's harsh at all. you've got to be pretty sad to vandalise an encyclopedia.  Demonblade  12:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Azerbaijanis.jpg)[edit]

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All set, page created.King Legit 16:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


Actually why don't you do a google or yahoo! search and you'll see that they are equal in hits so what you're saying is without merit. YOU may think of Syria but according to hits on the internet many come up for the other meaning so a disambig page is more than adequate for the purpose.סרגון יוחנא 19:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Are you ok with the disambig page in that case? I mean it actually is very helpful because the demographics of syria are right on top with the explanation.סרגון יוחנא
May I suggest introducing a page Syrians (disambiguation), disambiguating between Syriacs and the citizens of Syria? I think Syriacs should be a full article, not a disambig. It should be tagged as a stub, in my opinion. --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 19:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Syrians is even better, of course. Thanks. --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 19:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for your lovely message Khoikhoi :) Ozgur Gerilla 00:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

It totally made sense but I'm not great with Kurdish too :) I've just asked my mum and she said it's the Kurmanji dialect. Ozgur Gerilla 00:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Deville's RfA[edit]

100px Hello, Khoikhoi, and thank you for the "clichéd-i-thought-he-was-one" support on my recent RfA. The final tally was 72/1/0, and I have now been entrusted with the mop. I'll be tentative with the new buttons for a while, and certainly welcome any and all feedback on how I might be able to use them to help the project. All the best, and thanks again! — Deville (Talk) 02:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

GIen's RfA: Thank you![edit]

Glen thankyou.gif
Khoikhoi for your Support!
I I feel truly humbled & honored by your support in my RfA, which closed at 90 / 5 / 0. Thank you! If you need me for anything, just say the word. For now however, just like Mr Potter here:
My mop & I shall thwart all evil :)
IThank you once again my friend. GIen



I note that recently that you labeled the article (ohlone) "sections". In fact, it has factual errors. As such, I have relabeled it "unreliable". If someone rewrites it I will make sure it gets sections. I hope this is acceptable to yourself? meatclerk 06:56, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Your recent RfA[edit]

Hey, sorry you didn't make it. It was obviously a result of spamming for votes. I wasn't even aware of your nomination. Only saw it because of recent vandalism to your talk page (somebody was faster at reverting than me, though). Next time, drop me line and let me know, you'll get my vote. Frankly, I was surprised that you're not an admin already...I had always assumed that you were.--WilliamThweatt 16:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Azerbaijan name article[edit]

GM edits were not discussed. I kept the edits that he made of which we came to consensus, but the others were not justified and were his POV.Khosrow II 16:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

What are you getting so uptight about? The beauty of Wikipedia is that no changes are lost forever, don't you know this already?Khosrow II 03:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I did read through his edits, and I actually did keep some of his changes. For example, I kept everything he wrote about Azerbaijani people.Khosrow II 13:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


Inanna hasn't edited in a long time, I don't see how I'd be able to tell if it was -Inanna-. Jayjg (talk) 17:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. I don't know this one the way I know wik and Bonaparte, and the CheckUser evidence is more complex. I think you should take it to WP:RFCU. Jayjg (talk) 21:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the information; I've followed up. Jayjg (talk) 18:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


Georgians pray for the neutrality.

Dear Khoikhoi, I don't believe that your comment on User:Ldingley 's page saying that mikka and Girla have good intention on Abkhazia article is correct. mikka actually called Luis Russofobic, which is simply not civil. As an experienced Wikipedian you should be able to see the problem.

I admit the fact the User:Georgianis's contributions are very conservative. But I believe that Luis is a very good scholar of the Caucasus region his contribution have an explanatory purpose. In addition, the Abkhazia conflict in an on-going thing, so the talk page would obviosly be with emotions. Georgian Media has information that Russia is transprting illegally troops in the region. Keep in mind that Georian Media is considered as free media by the international orgnizations. Keep in mind that Georgians pray to have UN peace keepers in Abkhazia. Do you follow the comments that Russian foreign minister is making? It is obvios that they support Iran's nuclear programs and they think that placing UN forces in Israel Lebanese conflict area will be very ffensive for Lebanese. Why don't they let Un forces in Abkhazia and they sent their so-called peace keepers in Ghaza, so that can actually fight if they really want that.

One more thing is that terrorists in Abkhazia played Soccer with the heads of dead Georgians. I don't know who won in Soccer, Chechens maybe Cossacks, but the truth is that we are ready to forget that. We are ready to forget that and migrate our Georgians back in the region, so that Abkhazia will be for everybofy again: for Georgians, Northern Caucasians, Greeks and Jews, because it is the homeland for all of them, despite everything. Sosomk 19:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi, I totally agree with you that we should consult both points of view. In addition, i don't believe that Abkhazia needs to rejoin Georgia, because according to the UN, Abkhazia is already part of Georgia and de facto govt is not recognized by any country in the world except of Russia. As far as the soccer concerned, it is not a rumor. I can actually get it on tape and tranport it to Wiki, but I don't plan to do that. In fat, I have not seen that because I is not going to be useful for me. It will just make me angry and there is no need for that.

I don't know if you knoe that Abkhazia is the biggest biggest source of illegal guns and drugs. The region has never been inspected by the neutral forces (I mean UN and EU, not the Russian ones). It should be the interests both of Russians and Georgians to demilitarize and make the region civil. However, the sad reality is that Russia just want to get Abkhazia, because it extremely wealthy as far tourism concerned. Yesterday Un agreed to send a commision to inpect Kodori Gorge of Georgia and we hope they will inpsetc Gudauta and whole Abkhazia one day. The situation is not as bad as you might think it is. I believe that we can find a way to talk with Abkhaz people. However, we mnight have to use some force if Bagapsh initiates.

Hust keep in mind that Georgia is a liberal democracy and it is an example for the whole Esatrn Europe and Western Asia. (BTW that is biggest reason that I support Israel). If Georgia fails, then Russia will tell whole Eastern Europe and the Central Asia that "That is what going to happen to you if you try to be democratic." I hope this is never gonna happen. As far as victory concerned different people have different ideas about the victory. For example, Nasrala said that he won and he congratulated to his people. This statement is simple wrong. Maybe Russians will say that they are winnig but this is simply not correct. Sosomk 08:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Khoi, thanks for your Georgian comment:). My Georgian comment was nothing special. It was just a quote in one of the Goegirna dialects and I directed it to Kober. I did not say that Abkhazia is the biggest gun and drug traffic in the world , it is just biggest in Georgia. I indeed support the existence of autonomous status of the republic of Abkhazia, but they should respect the COnstitution of Georgia. As you know the Constitution is a living document for every democratic govt and people of Abkhazia know it well. However, I believe that Bagapsh does not represent the people. As far as Israel, I support them in most of their politics. I understand that you don't support every conservative steps by Israel, but your firends who live in Haifa might not think the way you do. Obviously, there are many conflict of ideologies in the world and I hope that you will support the neutrality on Georgia related topics and I hope you will be the person who is able to stop the aggression towards Georgia when it is necessary. Sosomk 09:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Khoi, I do indeed hope that you will support the neutrality. As far as referendum, it was Putey Pute's idea on EuroNews ,which was rejected by EU and the government of Georgia as well. Well, first if you ethnically cleanse all Georgians in Abkhazia and then doing a referendum does not really make any sense. Who knows what the future will bring, let's take it easy. Ok, I will stop Russia-bashing:)), but I still think that pic was relevant and Russians really like Beria:). Sosomk 11:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Ancient Greek Religion[edit]

Hi! No, there are no "still followers":p. Those are recent converts, as recent as the 2nd half of the 20th century. The only ethnic group that could claim some sort of continuation of the ancient greek religion are the Kalasha! And the persecution they claim, is that the vast majority of the rest of the Greeks do not let them use the Parthenon as a temple again:p. Adios:) --Hectorian 19:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I just checked my account:). How about creating a 14th achive? Dude, it takes ages to load the page!:p. Ciao --Hectorian 02:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
LOOOOL! I think i am cooler at the moment (i am closer to 100 msgs than u:p). --Hectorian 02:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Copy cat[edit]

Hello khoikhoi, I've copied your picture script at the top :) I hope u dnt mind. Ozgur Gerilla 22:15, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


Salam Khoikhoi, and thanks for your note. I did put some input on the talk page but I must admit I've been in a very bad mood of late and have less-than-usual tolerance for Palestine-bashing. As you noticed, the Shamir1 guy epitomizes a lot of the standard dehumanization that's going on against Palestinians and I have nothing but worry about where this is leading; when a person sitting in California can be so comfortable claiming hateful things about another people and about a place s/he has probably never been to, and yet not see the absurdity and racism in those words. Anyway, as for the Hebron thing, I am concerned that things may be getting out of hand in the name of NPOV. Amoruso just created a new category "Jewish presence inside cities under Palestinian Authority" that really only applies to one city: Hebron. Joseph's tomb is not really inside Nablus. So this can just make WP messy for the sole reason of NPOVing everything. The other thing about NPOV is not just fighting to make sure your POV is represented, but making sure it's presented neutrally. If forcing a POV means make an article or topic no longer neutral from an opposing point of view, then it brings everything back to the proverbial "Square One" (I've never seen square one, have you? where do you find it? How big is it? And if so many things end up there, it must be very crowded with people who found themselves brought back there. Maybe it's in the Gaza Strip!). Let me know if I can be of any help anywhere else. Thanks again, Ramallite (talk) 22:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Changed Picture[edit]

Why did you happen to revert the Jessica Alba picture to the origanl (before it was her in a blank tank top). I thought the picture of her in the tank top looked better for her main picture.

RFA thanks[edit]

Canal Street Streetcar, New Orleans.jpg Thanks so much for your support on my RFA, which closed successfully this morning with a result of (64/3/3). I will be stepping lightly at first trying to make sure I don't mess up too badly using the tools. Any further advice/guidance will be gratefully accepted. I hope I will live up to your trust! NawlinWiki 11:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC) talk contribs

Yeşilyurt (Istanbul)[edit]

Hi Khoikhoi. I didn't know there's such an article about Yeşilyurt. Actually, I had looked for it before, but I couldn't find. Thanks for your help about carrying the picture to Yeşilyurt.

Btw, what Alessandro57 said about we Turks is definitely not right. :-) Adieu, Ajda 12:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


Hey Khoi. I noticed your comment on User:Sosomk's talk page. Here's a citation from Wolves of Islam: Russia and the Faces of Chechen Terror by Paul Murphy, p. 15. This passage describes the events that followed the capture of Gagra City by the Abkhaz-Chechen-Russian forces under the command of Shamil Basayev (then the deputy defense minister in the secessionst government):

"Georgians say that Basayev's Wolves drank Georgian blood by the glassful. That could be fact or fiction. But it is documented fact that the veins of captured Georgian soldiers were cut open and the victims made to drink their own blood as a toast to the victors. This, however, was not the worst atrocity attributed to Basyaev and his men. One hundred Georgian soldiers were herded into the central stadium in Gagra where they were beheaded and their heads used as footballs in a soccer match. Georgia has charged Basyaev with these war crimes. Basayev's Abkhaz battalion also used a form of torture and execution called the "Chechen tongue." A hole is made in the throat and the tongue is pulled down through the hole, thereby gagging the victim to death."

Khoi, I know that this style of description of the events doesn't particularly meet encyclopedic standards, but we should somehow mention what was going on in Abkhazia. I'm currently working on History of Abkhazia draft. I know it is hard to be impartial in such matters, but I'm trying my best to create an evenhanded text. I'll later add all available references and citations. I'll let you know as soon as the article is completed. I hope to make it a GA and I need your opinion too. Regards, Kober 19:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

რატომ დაიწყეს ქისტებმა თარეში სხვისას კარზედა? :):) Sosomk 19:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Khoi, thanks for your feedback. I really appreciate it. I did not know that Luis was in Abkhazia during the hostilities. Actually, many people who witnessed those massacres prefer not to speak about those days as most of them suffer from posttraumatic stress disorder. I’m actually going to revise the Abkhazia main article because I think it is a bit unbalanced, too detailed on some events and too sparse on others. Also the article needs some updates as the status quo seems to be significantly challenged due to the recent developments in the Kodori Gorge. Muhajirism was also a very important event and I’ll definitely find some time to add more content to the article. I see it doesn’t even mention many thousands of Georgian and Laz Muhajirs from the Russian-controlled lands. Cheers, Kober 06:09, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Nawab Akbar Bugti[edit]

On [[Talk:Talk:Nawab Akbar Bugti]] you removed Sandbreak's personal attacks, but you did not take the time to go back and re-add all the content that has been removed over the past several months. As far as I can tell, the only warning message you posted on his talkpage was a test1 vandalism template, without any warning about personal attacks. I have warned the user, an suggested he contact an administrator if he is concerned about vandalism on the page. Abc def 21:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

You keep re-adding the POV that I removed on the Nawab Akbar Bugti article. I dont think you know much about that man or the situation in Baluchistan and that is why the article you keep putting back in is so incredibly biased against the government. Keep you hands off that topic.

This three-revert rule is useless against anonymous vandals. I have repeatedly tried to clean up the Akbar Bugti article with facts, however others with various IP's keep inserting their nationalist rhethoric into it. I should not be the one who is penalized.


Consider these four cases below.

I'd like to know your opinion. --Cat out 12:20, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia articles needing factual verification[edit]

Your user talk page seems to be linking to it. Cant see where tho. --Cat out 13:09, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Navy[edit]

Could you please show me your source about the article and specify your reason about why you have removed the cited source? Thanks. Kachik 22:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I had asked you a question but anyway. As you've said, this is not a game. Please compare by yourself the source of user E104421[5] and mine [6]. As you can see his source does not even open. So try to be more neutral. Thanks. Kachik 00:33, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

2004 Olympic marathon[edit]

Hey, thanks for catching the cut-and-paste move from Men's marathon event at the 2004 Summer Olympics. The fix is very much appreciated. -- Jonel | Speak 02:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem! Glad to help. I recall there being a template to scold the users about copypaste moves, but I can't seem to find it. I think it said something about the GFDL, and then "all pages MUST contain edits histories". Do you know if it? —Khoikhoi 02:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, there's the fairly new {{cutpastemove}}, but it doesn't mention the GFDL and really isn't much of a template. If there is such a template, I would expect to see it at Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace - you could try asking there. -- Jonel | Speak 02:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I found Template:Moving pages, but I think what I originally saw wasn't even a template. Thanks anyways. BTW, could you help by checking out my entry at WP:RM? (Magyars --> Hungarian people) It's in the backlog as well. —Khoikhoi 02:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I guess you're not an admin. Never mind. —Khoikhoi 02:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Nope, not an admin. Good luck with the move request, though. I added the {{Moving pages}} template to the big grid of test templates, so at the very least I'll be able to find it again! -- Jonel | Speak 03:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

RfA message[edit]

RfA rose.png My RfA video message

Stephen B Streater 08:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Wats Up[edit]

Im sorry but wat was happening with my account

Teke's RfA thanks[edit]

Thank you for your support of my RfA, which has passed with a final tally of 76/1/1. With this overwhelming show of support and approval I am honored to serve Wikipedia in the task charged to me and as outlined in my nomination. Happy editing to you! Teke (talk) 17:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Heh we both work on the same article :) Ldingley 18:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

heheh that was very funny :) Islamic Jihad of Lazistan. :)))) That was a good one Khoi :) Ldingley 18:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Lazica is the name of Laz country (like Basque country: Euskera) in Laz language, LOL :) Lazistan was a Islamized name of Lazica after the conquest by the Ottomans. BTW here is a web site of famous laz online community Lazebura [7]]. Cheers Khoi!
Khoi, there are tons of theories about that region (its amazing, the Caucasus is more controversial than the Balkans). They (some scholars) think that Basque came from Caucasian Iberia and settle din Spain (also called it Iberia). There are some words in Georgian and Basque which match. But dont tell that to Basque nationalists :) They claim that Spanish came from Caucasus LOL. Who knows. Lazca is a Turkish name for Laz people. Like Abkhazca (Abkhazians) and Cecence (Chechens). In Laz its Lazepe, Lazi and Lazuri :) Ldingley 18:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Threatening edits[edit]

I wouldn't worry about them. Jayjg (talk) 23:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I doubt these people are nearly as sophisticated. :-) Jayjg (talk) 23:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


This may interest you. Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Motions_in_prior_cases. Cheers. :-)

(Also, I've read your email, I need to spend a bit reviewing contribs and thinking about it, I'll act on it soon.) Dmcdevit·t 00:01, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


I don't think there is any academic dispute. To claim that Ossetic is non-Iranian is really a one man show vs all scholars... He even disfigures Abaev's quote in English which is available online! I am going to bring the compendium article on Ossetic from 1989 and then keep going at it with this user until everyone realizes that he just won't quit until he is banned. I have even brought a statement from a great scholar from University of Chicago. He also abused the Scythian article and tried to remove the reference to their Iranic hertiage which is again verified by Britannica 2006 and every modern source.. Its not about a dispute but about someone wanting to push wrong information from his site: on specific Iranian enteries such as Scythians, Alans, Ossetic.. He even claimed 1/3 of Persian is Turkish (which is laughable). I am against POV (even see the former article on controversy of name of Azerbaijan republic where I reasonably compromised with Grandmaster) and have asked Khosrow to do the same. --Ali doostzadeh 00:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Also let me add that this one is not like the Nizami issue although I am 99% Nizami's father was a Kurd, but there could a 1% chance he wasn't. This time though 100% of scholars agree that Ossetic is Iranian. To have a user who according to his own article goes against all scholarly norms(his own words) is wrong. For example read this from him: The following discourse addresses the reasons for the current universal acceptance by the scientific community of the preposition that the Scythians were unambiguously Indo-European, and specifically Iranian speaking, and the methods to reach this conclusion. . Should such users be allowed on Wikipedia? In my opinion absolutely not since they simply will disfigure the truth. Just like he changed Abaev's English quote and claimed 1/3 of Persian is Turkish, he is also making false claims or taking one or two quotes out of context. --Ali doostzadeh 00:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Ali Rıza Efendi[edit]

Shema Yisrael! Adonai Elocheinu, Adonai Echad! :) Yes, there are. According to a narrative, he revealed that he was a Donmeh of Salonica during an interview with a Jewish journalist. And used the above-mentioned words to prove it. But it's quite uncertain and there is no proof on that. Moreover, it is widely known that these Crypto-Jews almost always intermarried. But one thing we know for sure is that his mother was of Turkish stock. In fact, the only possibility is that his father could have some Albanian blood to some extent for he was called as 'Arnavut Rıza' by his acquaintances. But, this can also be because of that his father, Ataturk's grandfather I mean, came from where Albanians live densely. As you can know, Turks are not so attentive about one's ethnic identity. You can be easily labeled as a Laz if you were born somewhere in eastern Black Sea for example. One thing we know that Ali Rıza's native language was Turkish, so was his mother's. By the way, there is a problem with the references. When I click on the article's link, the references in the reference section double. Nevertheless, when I go to history section and click on the last edit, they normalize. So, there is a problem with the database I think. Kizzuwatna 01:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I beg your pardon for I'm being late, I certainly know the nationalistic agendas of modern Turks and Greeks as well as the others'. What I meant was vice versa. I was talking about the Ottoman era when nationalistic spur was not so powerful. When the people preferred to describe themselves by their religions rather than their ethnic descent. You could be a Laz if you were born in East Black Sea, or you could be a Circassian regardless of your origin if you came somewhere north of Georgia. Or everyone who had a mulatto appearance was Arab regardless of his being Egyptian, Sudanese or Ethiopian. So, it's very hard to know people's ethnic background in the Ottoman era. What language they speak can determine their ethnic descent in most cases. As for genetical background, we all know that, especially in the Middle East, there are no nations, peoples or ethnic groups that can claim pure blood. Without exception, every group is a product of well mixture.
Kizzuwatna 11:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Pontian Greek Genocide[edit]


I've lost my patience with this article, i've stated my case, provided sources, suggested alternatives, but the tags are still being removed. I've reached my 3RR limit on the tags, please have a look and decide for yourself. Thanks, --A.Garnet 13:16, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


Khoi, i will quit the Georgian relate articles soon and start the editing of Copt and Ethiopian ones. Please tell me, why is there not mention of Copt people as separate nation on Wikipedia? Copts are not Arabs ethnically and they are 10 million in total. They are persecuted in Egypt and discriminated in almost all levels of the government. The article Copts only talks about their religion and history. But don’t you think there should be an article about Copt people separately? Just like Armenians and People of Ethiopia. You are the expert in ethnic articles. Let me know and we can do it together. Thanks. Ldingley 14:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

copt people for possible future copts article

Well, Copts conceder themselves as separate ethnic group which takes its roots from ancient Egyptians. They deny any link with Arab ethnicity and rightfully so. They are considered to be the descendants of ancient Egyptians. I think it would be good if we had a separate article about the Copt people who are not arabs. Here take a look at this [8] As for Ethiopians, I’ll remove the tag. However, the title of the article is People of Ethiopia which means all ethnic groups of Ethiopia. Ldingley 19:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Khoi, as always you are very helpful. I didn’t say that you did not know what People of Ethiopia means :) And shame on you for not knowing Copt history and traditions :) Ldingley 21:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

NG War article[edit]

Hey Khoi, something fishy is going on with the article as each new change I did to it messed it up even further. If you can, try to revert it back to the edit 12:24, August 27, 2006 because for some reason the citations grow longer and longer or other bugs plague it. Thanks.--MarshallBagramyan 17:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Please do not add commercial links or links to your own private websites to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links to the encyclopedia. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thanks. —Khoikhoi 05:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Its not fair[edit]

Dear Khoikhoi,

Why you think that external link to the is advertising? This is a none commersial project FYI. In that case what you going to say about or external links on the Armenia’s "News" section. What is this a new kind of discrimination? Why you don’t even bother you to look at the source to see if it's relevant to be placed in the news section.

Regards, Serge

P.S. do not delete the link or find another explanation instead of this one.

Khoikhoi, So if you think its amoral to add external links to the articles then what you will offer in the "news website" section? You cant put everything in the one article so you need some external links right? I am telling agian that is not a commercial project. Whay you thikn that one of this more descriptive than my project???

News sites

   * PanARMENIAN.Net - Armenia & Armenian News
   * Armenia Now, edited by John Hughes
   * [6] - History of Armenian art & architecture with abundant illustrations
   * Review of DM Lang's Armenia - Cradle of Civilization


Yes. He's like the Energizer Bunny of sockpuppeting. Jayjg (talk) 23:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Trade secret. ;-) Jayjg (talk) 23:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


He is accusing me of being codex, khosrow, arash the bowman!! [[9]]

Also he appears to have violated the 3rr rule: [[10]]

--alidoostzadeh 01:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay I am just wondering though is someone keeps accusing falsely, what I can do? (this is his third time he is accusing other people of being my suckpuppet!). --alidoostzadeh 01:46, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks[edit]

Guinnessglass.jpg Thank you very much for participating in my RFA, which closed successfully today with a result of (62/18/3). I will go very carefully at first, trying to make sure I don't mess up too badly using the tools, and will begin by re-reading all the high-quality feedback I received during the process, not least from those who opposed me. Any further advice/guidance will be gratefully accepted. I hope I will live up to your trust! Guinnog 14:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)}