User talk:Knight of BAAWA

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Anarcho-capitalism[edit]

Regarding the introduction[edit]

In the comment to your revision to my last edit, you accused me of pushing a POV. I assure you this is not the case. I am just trying to balance the lead according to the contents of the article. As the article makes clear, there is no consensus that anarcho-capitalism qualifies as anarchism. While I would prefer that the lead not make a statement to its classification one way or the other, if it must classify anarcho-capitalism as a type of anarchism, it must include the caveat that such a classification comes with great controversy. Regardless of one's position on the classification of anarcho-capitalism, one cannot properly introduce it without mentioning the controversy because the controversy is integral to the story of anarcho-capitalism. I hope that you will see the merit to this argument and revert your reversion. If you like, we can have a conversation on the matter in the article's talk page. KLP (talk) 14:29, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

The body of your work shows that you have a bias against capitalism. You are trying to push your POV by trying to sneak things into the lede that don't belong and which are already in the article later on. One can properly introduce anarchocapitalism without mentioning the "controversy". The lede in Evolution, for instance does not mention the "controversy" regarding creationism or intelligent design. Your hatred of capitalism is yours to deal with; do not push your POV. -Knight of BAAWA (talk) 23:47, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
That's a rather unfair characterization of my contributions thus far. In my transition to more substantial edits from simple typographic ones, I may have had some awkward moments. However, I've made constructive edits and faithfully curated articles that some might consider flagships of (anarcho-)capitalism, such at Bitcoin and Silk Road (marketplace). So don't misconstrue me as some anti-capitalist agent. At worst, I am a pedant. I enjoy categorizing things appropriately and explaining them thoughtfully. That's why I enjoy participating in this project. I also find very disingenuous your implicit comparison of me to an evolution denier. I am hardly arguing for the inclusion of something, like irreducible complexity, into a category, like science, to which it does not belong.
Now, let's get back to the issue at hand. Going with your example, the body of the article on evolution does not contradict its introduction. In anarcho-capitalism, on the other hand, the body does. The lead states, without qualification, that anarcho-capitalism counts as a type of anarchism. Yet, the body makes very clear that that's hardly a forgone conclusion. Anarcho-capitalism's introduction is therefore disconnected from its body, to the detriment of readers. Let's fix it. KLP (talk) 16:48, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
It's a very fair characterization, given your body of work. And no, the lede in anarchocapitalism does not contradict the body; the body of evolution mentions intelligent design and creationism, but that doesn't mean the lede there contradicts the body. Similarly, the lede of anarchocapitalism does not contradict the body. That there are people who doubt evolution does not mean the body contradicts the lede in the same as as there are some who hate capitalism (such as yourself) does not mean that the lede of anarchocapitalism contradicts the body. You can try to weasel and hem and haw all you want; don't care. The lede connects properly, your narrow POV of hating capitalism notwithstanding. - Knight of BAAWA (talk) 00:39, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
That's what I said, nothing in the body of the evolution article contradicts the introduction. In anarcho-capitalism, however, the introduction states, in a very certain tone, that anarcho-capitalism is an "individualist anarchist political philosophy". Then, in the body of the article, we have "Some scholars do not consider anarcho-capitalism to be a form of anarchism, while others do". The article goes from anarcho-capitalism definitely being a form of anarchism to it maybe being one. If that is not a contradiction, then it is certainly a major discrepancy that deserves correction.
You clearly have some kind of investment in this article. I respect that, which is why I've been consulting you on the matter. So, I would appreciate it if you would reciprocate and not rudely dismiss my arguments because of your suspicions. If you won't, then fine. Sorry for acting on good faith and thinking that would want to improve the article with me. KLP (talk) 04:19, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
I do not believe you edit in good faith, given the body of your work. The body of your work shows that you dislike capitalism, and your edits seek to marginalize it wherever you can. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't try to play the victim, when clearly you got caught red-handed trying to push your POV and you're now pouting about it.
And some "scholars" do not consider evolution to be true, either. Does that mean there's a discrepancy between the lede in evolution and the body, given that there's some talk of creationism and intelligent design? Of course not. Same with anarchocapitalism. End of discussion - Knight of BAAWA (talk) 13:53, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

You have been active at the article or talk page, so here's a note about Anarcho-capitalism[edit]

I have nominated Anarcho-capitalism for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Binksternet (talk) 18:14, 29 July 2014 (UTC)