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re Our Lady of Good Counsel Elementary School[edit]

Hi Kootenayvolcano. I don't think that we keep articles on elementary schools as a general rule, barring some special notability. Herostratus 02:31, 20 May 2007 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPages

Transphobia edits[edit]

hi, I reverted your edits. Although many of your minor edits are fine they are bundled with deleting content and refs which isn't fine and introducing new content which seems wonky (feminists authors). As a suggestion do the minor grammar fixes first as no one will be bothered on those. Then introduce new material, then look to deleting material. I'm sorry I reversed them all as you did some good work in there - I just couldn't separate it from the not so good edits. Benjiboi 13:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Lesbiphobia article[edit]

I've removed the deletion tag from the article in order to give you an opportunity to make improvements that might (or might not) prevent it from being deleted. At present, I think it's a sure bet that the article will be nominated for the WP:AFD process (Articles for Deletion), which is a longer process than the "prod" tag previously applied, involving discussion & polling of other editors, but which still may lead to deletion. I've made suggestions at Talk:Lesbiphobia about some of the things you can do to improve the article. Also, please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by using four tildes <wiki>Yksin 16:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)</nowiki> -- this automatically adds your username & the date/time of your post so that other users will know who/when a post was written, in case they want to respond to you. Best wishes. --Yksin 16:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Yo, Kootenayvolcano. Wanted to tell you in person that following lack of any other real protestation at Template talk:Discrimination, I've gone ahead & added Lesbophobia to the template, per your suggestion, & have also added the template to the article itself. I also added info to the article from a couple articles I ran across a couple of days ago about the rapes and murders of black lesbians in South Africa that South African LGBT groups are saying are motivated by lesbophobia.
Thanks for starting this article. Despite my initial doubts -- well damn. It's an important topic, & damned if I understand why I didn't get that before, having been around the block a few years as a lesbian (actually nearly three decades, since coming out at age 19) & being completely aware of the lesbophobia within the feminist movement itself -- the whole Betty Friedan "Lavender Menace" crap from the early '70s, etc. So bonk me over the head. Anyway, I've done some preliminary research on web-based resources as well as of academic databases of journals available in my local university library, so it's likely I'll be adding more to this article after I get a little further on my long-term commitment to the Battle of Washita River article I got myself involved with.
Meantime, also wanted to be sure you were aware of Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies in case you wished to join.
Best wishes. --Yksin 02:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Wow, appreciate your response, and thanks for all your help in kicking it into better shape as well. I think the topic has great potential, and for me as well, great importance. Anyways, all the best to you! Kootenayvolcano 17:35, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Kootenay Coop Radio[edit]

Just so you know, Wikipedia's rule for North American radio stations is that they go at their call signs. The commonly known brand name can be a redirect, if it's unique (which it certainly is in this case), but we do have to keep the station at its CXXX-format call sign. The main motivation behind this is so that there's some consistency in how radio stations are presented — it would look really sloppy if we had a random and disorganized mixture of call signs and brand names coexisting in the same radio categories. Bearcat 19:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Bearcat!Kootenayvolcano 21:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Deletion[edit]

Hello! You are of course welcome to recreate the article if you can prove the notability of the subject, alternatively, you can request an overturn of the deletion here. Thanks for your time! Best, Keilanatalk 00:11, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I'll restore it to your userspace momentarily here: User:Kootenayvolcano/radio. Please ask me if you need anything, I'll be happy to help! Best, Keilanatalk 01:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

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This Bridge Called My Back[edit]

I saw your edits over at Cherríe Moraga, and I follwed them over to the Kitchen Table: Women of Color Press article, where I realized that there was no article on This Bridge Called My Back, so I created one. It's just a little stub right now and doesn't have much there, but, seeing your history, I thought you might be interested in working on it if you get the chance.-- Irn (talk) 01:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)



Black feminism[edit]

Hello! I've seen with interest some of your contributions to this topic, which you seem to know fairly closely. It would be great if you could link related entries to the main article Black feminism; maybe the creation of a Category:Black feminism would be a good idea if you know who to include in it. Cheers! Tazmaniacs (talk) 10:15, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Tazmaniacs, The category sounds like a great idea- although I have to admit I don't know how to create a category. Perhaps we could work on it together? Kootenayvolcano (talk) 19:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi! Sorry for late response, my presence here is dwindling down... See WP:CATEGORY for more info, but creating a category is just like creating an ordinary page: click on the red link Category:Black feminism and it's done! Then, you just add the Category at the bottom of the articles, you'll easily find how! Looking forward for your contributions, Cheers! Tazmaniacs (talk) 21:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Lesbophobia article 2[edit]

I hope you're still working on the article. I'd like to start a serious discussion of major work here (structure and content) being that so much important information is missing despite the great start. Just let me know on my talk page because I think Lesbophobia's got a lot of potential --CJ Withers (talk) 01:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC) (main author, so far, of Heterosexism)

Lesbophobia intro[edit]

You're welcome for the "prod". :-) You'll see I recast the intro to include more things and to lead into the Cynthia Petersen quote more smoothly. --CJ Withers (talk) 11:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

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This is my image, taken from a photo I took, and cropped.Kootenayvolcano (talk) 19:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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Sinixt language needed[edit]

Hi; I see you have lots of Sinixt sources/resources; a missing element in Wikipedia's coverage of BC First Nations langauge is a language article; no linguist has started one yet (as is the case with most language articles) and all I could myself pull off is a stub saying hte language exists, but it won't survive unless it has a cite or two. This in the wake of an edit to Incomappleux River where Okanagan language was taken out by an IP user who subtituted Interior Salish as "correct" - which it's not as Interior Salish is a language group, not a language. The BCGNIS source says Incommapleux is of Okanagan origin; if you have a different cite saying it's Sinixt then by all means....why I came to you, other than your very evident focus on the Sinixt article, is the IP user who made that "correction" also made an edit to your talkpage (the section titled "Article").Skookum1 (talk) 18:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Skookum1. You are very right about that. You are right, that Sinixt would be the language, rather than Interior Salish. I was told recently by Eileen Delehanty Pearkes, author of The Geography of Memory, that Incomappleux was a Sinixt term. I will ask her where she got that info and try to provide a citation. Sorry to jump the gun on that edit and thanks for the heads up. BTW, I have appreciated your continuing committment to factual info in the article.Kootenayvolcano (talk) 03:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Good to know that; my intentions/orientations are often misunderstood. I'm very strongly against made-up history and against pejorative accounts of events, even when presented neutrally by the use of subjective selection of evidence and "pointed wording" that still gets around NPOV. Anyway.... Nk'mapeleqs is given as an Okanagan language word in BCGNIS, from Randy Bouchard as a source, but it doesn't say straight out that Incomappleux is from an Okanagan word; I'd imagine there's a similar Sinixt'sn one (guessing at the name based on those of other Interior Salish languages...), but a while back there was or still is maybe a school of thought that Sinixt is a dialect of Okanagan, like Spahomin; but from what I udnerstand about the Interior Salish languages, they're all in a way dialects of each other (not in purely linguistic terms) and really close; a cite saying it's of Sinixt origin vs the BCGNIS mention of the Okanagan language is what it's going to take to say that here instead. That the Okanagan also frequented the Arrow Lakes also indicates that it could be of Okanagan origin, dpeending on who the native informant who first told the "naming white man" the word/name. Or, again, it could be that for a long time the Sinixt were perceived as a branch of the Okanagan...but then so are, again, the other southerly neighbouring peoples of the Okanagan.Skookum1 (talk) 04:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
BTW Okanagan Mourning Dove (Okanogan Mourning Dove?) has been needing a bio for a while, as a native woman writer; not sure if you're into literary bios but thought you might find her of interest (run google on her name).Skookum1 (talk) 04:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

thank you[edit]

Thanks for fixing the Diversity refs mistakes I made in List of lesbian periodicals. That'll teach me to make a line change with two steps that could be done with one step. --EarthFurst (talk) 08:59, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem, EarthFurst, I've learned all mistakes that could be made on Wiki from my own bitter experience! Thanks for your additions.Kootenayvolcano (talk) 16:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I edited your submission to the Dorothy E. Smith article for accuracy. You had the two phrases of the title reversed, properly it should be "Women Look at Psychiatry: I'm Not Mad I'm Angry". Also this is a collection of articles, with some work by Smith, and edited jointly by Smith and Sara David. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.117.194 (talk) 00:15, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

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LGBT Categories - those with specific "lesbian" or "gay"[edit]

Hi there! I've been doing some work on a proposal for LGBT related categories, specifically those categories marked specifically "lesbian" or "gay" and would love some feedback. See User:Scarykitty/LGBT Categories. Could you take a look and give me some feedback?

Hey, User:Scarykitty, I'd be in full support of specifically Lesbian categories! Sound like lots of work- I appreciate your initiative in this. I think there are many distinct things about lesbian culture that would benefit from being viewed separately from lgbt culture. Kootenayvolcano (talk) 05:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Pron. of Kootenay, Rossland etc.[edit]

Hi; figured given your username you're a good person to ask to drop by Talk:Kootenays#Pron..Skookum1 (talk) 21:43, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

East/West Kootenay division question[edit]

Hi, wanted to get your opinion on the East Kootenay/West Kootenay division point; the Kootenays article has two possible versions, I can see the logic of the one that says Creston is in the East Kootenay, because of the time zone thing and also because it never used to be road-linked to Nelson/Trail/Castlegar except by the Balfour ferry....it seems odd to view Riondel as in the East Kootenay, though, as I associate that term with Kimberly-Cranbrook and beyond, maybe starting at Yahk (if not at Creston). You seem to be much more a Kootenay person than I am so I thought I'd ask.....reason being I I just went and created Category:Settlements in the West Kootenay and Category:Settlements in the Slocan and Category:Settlements in the Boundary Country and wanted to start Category:Settlements in the East Kootenay with Elk Valley and Columbia Valley subcats maybe.....I've never liked using the regional district cats to classify anything, especially ghost towns, Indian Reserves and basically anything that's not directly part of RD jurisdiction/governance, so I do "end runs" on those cats with things like Category:Settlements in the Chilcotin etc...anyway your thoughts on this appreciated; the term "Central Kootenay" just grates on me because it's of such recent coinage, and it's almost like the government made it to "usurp the identity" of the West Kootenay, with all its cultural and political baggage/history....Skookum1 (talk) 23:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Skookum1; good question... It seems conventional here in Nelson to think of Creston as East Koots, but I'm not sure quite why. Time zone, as you said, seemed to make sense. Or being on one side or the other of Kootenay Lake?Kootenayvolcano (talk) 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

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Kootenay River/Kootenays articles[edit]

Hi; tossed your name out in a discussion re the huge overlap between these two articles; see here; User:Shannon1 has been busy on the river article as you'll see.... Also on my mind for a while, other than an East/West split (and how you would define that division), is I've never liked that map on the Kootenays page, your thoughts on the boundaries shown welcome (best reply on that article's talkpage), and on how to approach a Silvery Slocan article on the silver rush....it's almost like there should be a Kootenay workgroup, but the same could be said about the Omineca or Cariboo or Skeena or VI huh? Also wondering if the old term North Kootenay included Arrowhead/Beaton/Galena and/or the Lardeau Country, or it was only Revelstoke on up.Skookum1 (talk) 22:36, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

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File permission problem with File:Interior of a Sinixt pithouse in the Slocan Valley.jpg[edit]

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Wikipedia photo of pit house in Sinixt Nation[edit]

Dear Kootenay Volcano I am preparing a book of images relating to Sinixt Nation/Lakes People and would like permission to use your photo of the pit house fire circle. Can you email this to crabtreesavage@hotmail.com please? Leslie Savage — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lesliesavage (talkcontribs) 06:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks![edit]

Thank you Kootenay. I've never received a kitten before SeMelmoth (talk) 21:03, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

LGBT topics[edit]

Thanks for the kind words. As I also mentioned just now to SeMelmoth, I'd be very happy to set up a workgroup page for LGBT issues in Canada. Although I know I'm not the only Canadian editor with an interest in LGBT topics, a little too often it's felt like I was because there's not much active coordination going on, with the result that a lot of stuff we really should have has fallen through the cracks. The workgroup wouldn't be a full WikiProject in its own right, but just a subpage of Wikipedia:WikiProject Canada and Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies, where we could do things like keeping a list of article topics that people might want to tackle creating or cleaning up, compiling a list of resources that can be used, and other discussion that might be warranted. So I'll try to set that up in the next few days, and once it's up and running feel free to consult and or contribute to it as much or as little as you want :-) Bearcat (talk) 18:52, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/LGBT in Canada work group Bearcat (talk) 00:13, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Will do!Kootenayvolcano (talk) 20:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

new Kootenays articles[edit]

Hi; figured I should let you know I've created a few articles for places in the Kootenays as part of working up/filling out List of communities in British Columbia. Among them, so far, are Erickson, British Columbia, Lemon Creek, British Columbia and Appledale, British Columbia. There's a {{WikiProject Okanagan}} now, kinda wondering if there's enough people to make a Wikipedia:WikiProject Kootenays worthwhile.Skookum1 (talk) 07:22, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

oh, also Vallican, British Columbia which could use additions about its archaeological site and the Vallican Hole cafe/venue. I gather you're in Nelson or somewheres there, no?Skookum1 (talk) 07:56, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Skookum1, I'd be pleased to work on these articles. Also am in favour of a Kootenays project. I am in Nelson.Kootenayvolcano (talk) 21:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
I think there's another Kootenayite or two out there, mostly inactive though, I'll see who I can enlist, and will poll WP:Idaho and WP:Montana about this, there used to be an Eastern Washington group too, think it's just WP:WA now....WP Okanagan is cross-border as this should really be also, even though other than the name of the river "Kootenai" isn't used much in the US other than for the river and the Nat'l Forest by that name. One big article that's needed IMO is Silvery Slocan or Slocan Silver Rush though that latter one isn't a good title, partly because the silver rush was also beyond the Slocan in particular and because it wasn't just about silver; "Silvery Slocan" is very citable and refers to the era. I'll try and assemble cite-links for the steamboats articles too.Skookum1 (talk) 05:22, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Steamboats of Kootenay Lake and the Kootenai River needed[edit]

On the same general topic of "coverage of the Kootenays", this has been a redlink on {{Steamboats British Columbia}} for a while, I did some research on this with the author of Steamboats of the Upper Fraser River and have been meaning for a while, if not for all the crossfire on inanities and endless maintenance edits and CfDs and such, to get at Steamboats of Harrison Lake and the Lower Fraser River and Steamboats of Kamloops Lake and Shuswap Lake (or Steamboats of the Thompson River and Shuswap Lake maybe) but just haven't had time. The Kootenay/Kootenai title as presented was the result of long discussions about how to cover those routes; editors from WP:WikiProject Idaho and WP:WikiProject Montana may be around to help on the Kootenai River material.Skookum1 (talk) 07:31, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

WikiWomen's Collaborative[edit]

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POV Sinixt edits need monitoring[edit]

Just after you added the Sinixt version of the name of Nakusp there came a change obliterating mention of the Ktunaxa version and of the territorial claims of the Ktunaxa and Secwepemc. I fixed that just now but it's clear that User:Sinkalip has an agenda; another change was on the Rock Creek or Rock Creek Gold Rush page where "Kettle Indians" were changed to "Sinixt Indians" and on other articles where mention of the Okanagan people was also removed. I suspect you may be more diplomatic dealing with Sinixt activism than I am, and may be able to deal with User:Sinkalip's activities in less strong language than I might use; obliterating someone else's history to assert your own is not acceptable in Wikipedia. There's a history for me with "them", via an old argument on The Tyee (which actually brought threats of violence to my email if I "didn't leave the Sinixt alone".Skookum1 (talk) 08:14, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Just to note I moved the Sinixt name to the front of the string, but added "citation needed"; Secwepemc name yet to be found/added and I'd venture there's an Okanagan one, also.Skookum1 (talk) 08:20, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know, Skookum1. I've been checking my wiki account about twice a week lately, so I miss a lot- will try and keep an eye on it more. Am also intending to add more information to articles relevant to Sinixt in the next little bit, while being respectful to other people's contributions, of course. As you may gather, personally, I am a Sinixt supporter, but I don't believe that makes it okay to be a jerk to others. Kootenayvolcano (talk) 23:32, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Saw your various edits to various articles on my watchlist this morning, thanks. I dropped a comment, without the welcome template, which I don't actually know the code for, about POVism and vandalizing articles making work for/wasting time for others, suggested that they write the Sinixt language article that's needed; on the Columbia River page I piped "Sinixt people" behind that but it's not right to do that, ultimately per established conventions from {{NorthAmNative}} which you might consider joining.Skookum1 (talk) 02:18, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm going to start on an Sinixt language article tonight. Will let Sinkalip know when it's done.Kootenayvolcano (talk) 18:47, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Good. I had proposed starting that to him/her, all they did about it was shoot me back a link and tell me to educate myself about their people etc......I recused myself from further discussions on User talk:Sinkalip (q.v.) and will field a request at To NorthAmNative: once I wake up a bit more to ask for help dealing with the intertribal issues which have presented themselves; and suggested he wor with Ktunaxa editors in the writing of any articles involving both of them.....little mischievousk, but proposed Wars between t he Sinxit and Ktunaxa as a collaborative article; not many native-native wars in BC have writeups, most are within placename/tribal articles though Nicola's War is a redirect to a section on Nicola (chief).Skookum1 (talk) 01:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Gotta confess the Ktunaxa name-supplantation that seems to have happened on Nakusp, British Columbia I think I noticed a while back and though "hm, this should be interesting" so left it (don't know the icon for smiling devil). Also someone had added them to the Colville page, think I noticed that too, but presumed there was a reason; seems like there's a Ktunaxa gremlin out there, just like there was a Musqueam messing with the Squamish articles.Skookum1 (talk) 01:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
I just developed a stub article- it's kinda all over the place if you'd like to give it a look over I'd be grateful- I have some difficulty with proper formats etc. I'll pass it on to Sinkalip in a couple days... Thanks!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinixt_language Kootenayvolcano (talk) 02:06, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

User:Kwamikagami is my go-to guy for language stuff, though there are many possible contributors/editors around {{NorthAmNative}} who specialized in indigenous language materials also. I doubt User:OldManRivers will want to get involved....his gf is Okanagan so he knows a fair bit from her.Skookum1 (talk) 03:25, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

[undent] Language articles have their own set formats and such; WP:WikiProject Languages prob has templates. Within NorthAmNative a number of years ago, some parameters were set out for coverage; different articles for governments and organizations, people/ethno/history material, reserves/reservations, and languages all have separate articles and should ultimately in every case have separate articles; soemtimes seems redundant and difficult to sort out in other parts of Canada for various reasons, but "out here" (including the PacNW portion of the US, most of that's now in place. With the Sinixt of course there's no government article to be made, though there is one for their council or whatever it's called. There was a reserve mentioned in one of the cites I read last night, maybe Dawson, not sure, about a reserve on South Arrow Lake (1902) that now no longer exists; what's described and Sinkalip will probably dispute is that it was about half-Sinixt, half-Shuswap.....another of those anthro sources, maybe Boas, says that the Sinixt originated from intermarriage between the Shuswap and Ktunaxa, but that wouldn't be the first time Boas is in error. Teit's supplementary work probably says different.Skookum1 (talk) 03:30, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

social science sites treated as fact when really speculation/assumption[edit]

It's cites like these that make me wary of relying only on social science 'conclusions'; I realize that makes no difference in WP:RS but think about it....does this author have actual case data to back up that claim? Any surveys? And kinda sweeping and negative as an assumption huh? Whatever, it's just stuff like this comment that's quoted that makes me turn up my nose at "the New History"; no scientific data, just moralizing based on what amounts to hearsay.Skookum1 (talk) 17:08, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Skookum1, are you referring specifically to the Pearkes reference to place names?Kootenayvolcano (talk) 17:20, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Only by way of example. I've seen media and academic articles take flying leaps from one paper somewhere by someone taking one thing out of context, expounding on it, coming to a baseless conclusion, and then seeing that become a foundation for whole new lines of even more extemporizing, while often discrediting older sources as unnecessary or "I say this is wrong". There isn't a page of Jean Barman's book, for example, where I didn't gag at some historical gaffes she makes, sometimes three four times a page, some of those become nostrums in media and academic "research". "Social sciences" is a bad term to start with, but even moreso when evidence isn't objective and there is no real "control group" as experimental method requires i.e. when the method used isn't scientific in the slightest; it can seem so because of data analysis now replacing logical thought and moral reasoning as the tools of the liberal "arts", but taking statements like that "pat" as if they were fact irks me; at least here it's quoted as this author saying that, not as if it were actually fact; which I very much doubt it is, like other myths about BC's ethnosocial interpoliticking over the two centuries and so many years since "Europeanization" (a term I intensely dislike, given its former context that didn't mean "white" but people from Germany, Italy etc rather than Britons or Canadians or Yanks).....the new history talks about people in groups and makes categorical nonsense about them way too much, based on one or two person's words, the realities of BC history are about individuals, of whichever group. Longer discussion someday, just explaining a bit moreSkookum1 (talk) 17:45, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
The Resettlement book by Cole Harris I could quote whole passages out of the rationalization of bias he applies and cowers before if I had one around, that is (I'm in Thailand) and the same goes for Bowering's "Swashbucking" (and it's not) history. The older authors and authors, Boas, Dawson etc at least knew of their own limitations and weren't trying to be preachy and judgmental....but those were different days in academia, that's for sure; but they are held in disdain, even though they are the only period sources.....same with Bancroft, Howay, etc (Scholefield is really literary to read btw E.O.S. Scholefield, partner with F.W. Howay at times; their joint history is a must-have even more than the Akriggs is.Skookum1 (talk) 17:58, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the elaboration. As you are aware, there is less published academic research available on the Sinixt than on many other FN groups, so I find Eileen a valuable source to add to articles because there is a dearth of other materials to work with. But I take your point for sure, and thanks as well for the other examples.

By the way- if you were uncomfortable with using the Pearkes quote in particular I'd be willing to take it out of the article. I live in the region, and happen to agree with her, based on my personal experience, but that doesn't mean it's objectively true. Please let me know. Kootenayvolcano (talk) 18:06, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Can't speak for Kootenayers, but from my own life maybe it's the older generation who realize implicitly that names like Chilliwack, Spuzzum, Tsawwassen, Kamloops are native in origin.....Nakusp seems obvious to me. Unless people think it's Ukrainian? [irony/sarcasm] about materials on the Sinixt, there's lots about them in Teit and Boas and Dawson; not up to date and some of their conjecture from the time is wrong, but most isn't conjecture, they're very careful to say when they don't know something or that what they have is only hearsay; I had some links open yesterday before a browser crash, could dig them out of my history maybe if you'd like to see them; some of them off the secwepemc.org site somewhere, can't remember the others just now. Kwami's conversion of the language article to a dialect is very much in tune with what Dawson and Boas were describing as a pan-regional language; another is North Straits Salish where the parent language is obscure or non-existent it's made up of distinct dialects; I believe the same is true of Heiltsuk and Owekeeno in combination or one of the pairings of the so-called Northern Kwakiutl (who are not Kwakiutl, but nor are most people customarily called Kwakiutl.....Skookum1 (talk) 18:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Can YOU pronounce "Ktunaxa"?[edit]

I know I can, and it's nowhere near as hard as Nlaka'pamux that's for sure......there's a Requested Move back to Ktunaxa from Kutenai people, where User:Kwamikagami moved it, with no regard to Canadian English norms and a stated disregard for indigenous preferences, that's underway that could use your input; Talk:Kutenai_people#Requested_move_2 and there's similar on Talk:Lillooet people, Talk:Chilcotin people, Talk:Shuswap people and Thompson people. That changing Skwxwu7mesh to Squamish people has resulted in the Category:Squamish (see the CfD there) is where all these will go unless this nonsense is put to a stop. Skookum1 (talk) 10:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Whether *you* can is irrelevant. I can pronounce Hànrén with the correct tones, [x] for the h, [ʐ] for the r, and [ɤ] for the e, but I'm not going to go around insisting we move Chinese people there. The relevant question is whether Ktunaxa has an assimilated English pronunciation. I've found one English approximation, "too-NEKS-ə", but I rather doubt it's become assimilated. If it has, great: just find an RS ref, and we'll add "too-NEKS-ə" to the lead so people unfamiliar with the name know how to pronounce it. — kwami (talk) 10:21, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I came here because Kootenayvolcano lives in the area and knows both Ktunaxa and Sinixt people and, unlike yourself, is sensitive to aboriginal issues. Your endless comparison to the Mandarin usage for "Chinese people" is irrelevant to a discussion about norms in Canadian English, which apply on Canadian English. There IS no in-use alternative to Ktunaxa in Canada.....there aren't people who "know" how to pronounced Mi'kmaq or Gitxsan also, are you going to speedy-moved them also something "more people" know, but you can't provide citations for like this case???? You're a one-man wrecking crew Kwami, given the damage you've done with your unilateral judgments and "fiat speedies" and the time it's taking to fix them. When was the last time you did a constructive edit on any of the pages in question, other than adding IPAs?? Maybe you should learn about subjects before shooting your mouth off with bad comparisons and claims that don't have citable returns (like the google comparison between "Ktunaxa" and "kutenai" you've ignored and no doubt will have some rationalization for like "it's not English and doesn't belong in English Wikipedia". You sound like a Tory/right-win propagandist, really.....otherwise known as a redneck.Skookum1 (talk) 10:45, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi all- Thanks for including me in this discussion. Count me in favour of moving back to Ktunaxa from Kutenai people. I live in Nelson, and the most common reference I hear in the region is to the Ktunaxa. Kootenayvolcano (talk) 20:02, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Please add that to your "vote" on the RM, it's very pertinent as Kwami is maintaining that it's not in use in English and nobody knows how to pronounce it; obviously if you hear it a lot, it's being used in English, but he refuses to admit that this is the case. Wherever he is, he's not in a position to make such claims.Skookum1 (talk) 01:39, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
added my vote in support of the change yesterday Kootenayvolcano (talk) 17:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Ya, we have a time differential issue; I'm 15 hours ahead of you ;-). Suffice to say that BC Hydro and RD and MoF reps and officials use these terms on a daily basis in English. The pretense given somewhere by you-know-who that ENGVAR only applies to orthography and pronunciation actually applies here, as this is about orthography; he's trying to make it about pronunciation cites, that's irrelevant, as is everything he's saying; but there does need to be a boilerplate template and guidelines page about aboriginal and other non-English names in Canada (e.g. Lac la Hache is officially lower-case 'L', i.e. it's in French, as is the cedilla on Francois Lake, i.e. where that redirects to. This "not English" thing came up on the AfD for Skookum, also, and was shot down in flames, ultimately. It's like these people only live on bookshelves and don't realize it's living people and living cultures/identities that are the subject of discussion, not toys on a collectibles shelf that are happy to let their owners name them and say nothing back.Skookum1 (talk) 02:14, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014[edit]

Hi Kootenayvolcano. In case you are not aware, there is an upcoming campaign to improve coverage of LGBT-related topics on Wikipedia, culminating with an international edit-a-thon on June 21. See Wiki Loves Pride 2014 for more information. If you are interested, you might consider creating a page for a major city (or cities!) near you, with a list of LGBT-related articles that need to be created or improved. This would be a tremendous help to Wikipedia and coverage of LGBT culture and history. Thanks for your consideration, and please let me know if you have any questions! --Another Believer (Talk) 16:06, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Personal infoboxes in relation to patriotism and nationalism[edit]

Hi Kootenayvolcano,

I saw your name on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Discrimination#Participants listing.

There is a discussion at Template talk:Infobox person#Citizenship suggesting a change of emphasis to a Citizenship entry from the Nationality entry.

The idea is to give more facilitation to Patriotism instead of Nationalism and also to allow more freedom of expression in regards to terminologies used.

Contributions are welcomed.

You may possibly also be interested in : Talk:Violence_against_LGBT_people#More_than_hate_crime

Regards Gregkaye (talk) 15:05, 25 August 2014 (UTC)